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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 12th Nov 2009 00:28
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Isn't Sony the same company that ran racist billboard adverts and sacrificed a goat to promote God of War II?



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I'm sorry but I just find this argument ridiculous. Yes it's frustrating that he can't do certain things. But you can't insist everything is tailored to everyone. It could still be viewed as biased if the game was playable by the visually impaired - they still couldn't see the wealth of colour and suchlike that a fully-sighted person could. Therefore we should just have a blank screen. Unfortunately sound cues would then have to go. It's discriminatory against the deaf. So basically, every game needs to end up having no outward display of any sort. Tactile responses would also have to go - some people can't feel anything. Blank screens, no sound, no feedback of any form. Hell even I could make a game like that.

If it gets to the stage when Joe Bonham from Johnny Got His Gun would be able to experience the game exactly the same as most people, then will you accept that it's gone a little far?

On a side note, I'm considering suing Tampax because no matter how much I try, their products just don't work for me. I've asked around and apparently a lot of other guys have had the same problem. If that's not sexist, I don't know what is. LAWSUIT!

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I think David R has a vision problem otherwise, he would realize how ridiculous this is. Can I sue TGC for not having a website in braille or not offering bigger font sizes? There is another lawsuit for the guy.

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Hey, I'm mostly deaf and I just bought a pair of speakers. WHY ARE THEY SO QUIET???? You'd think the manufacturer would (at least) include some extra visual cues like a vibrating desk, annoyed family, and an angry neighbor so that I would know that they are really working, but no! How could they be so cruel as to not even think of the hearing impaired!!! I could be composing electronic music on these speakers and selling it on iTunes....they are making me lose potential money. I'm gonna sue!





That's how stupid this sounds to me.
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Well - I wonder - what if the hearing impair wanted to listen to his music through his brand new 5:1 surround sound cinema sound system - turned up loud he is capable of hearing and enjoying his music. The hearing impaired...sorry, partially deaf (hearing impaired is too PC)fellow could probably could get a visit from the police saying, "turn that down" because it disturbs the neighbour. So I wonder - should Sony create a sound system that doesn't disturb neighbours, yet allows the partially deaf to enjoy the sound system most non-deaf people are capable of enjoying.

Maybe a deaf guy should sue them.


Also...what about the metabolically challenged? (or living impaired)...okay that one's a joke.

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BTW, would a um...partially deaf person damage his ears if he listened to music at a level comfortable to him?
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@David R:

About that Mac/PC thing I mentioned, it was only a bit of humor, and I think Explosys was able to realize that just fine.

Honestly, at this point you obviously know that your arguments have almost no standing. Why are you insisting on your point when it is easy to see that it is ridiculous? But, let me guess, it is all of us who are being ridiculous and heartless? I bet if we got 1000 "visually impaired" people to vote on this, the majority would agree with us, with a small handful of selfish people arguing for this law to be created. No, I can't prove or test this.

Meh, I have nothing more to say about this.

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Posted: 12th Nov 2009 09:35 Edited at: 12th Nov 2009 09:37
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I dunno...I've not damaged my ears from loud music yet and people who tend to go to gigs and festivals usually end up fine - and well, my hearing's fine...well, I always had a slight hearing problem, which has perhaps improved more than anything so I doubt my love for loud music has effected it. So he probably wouldn't damage his ears...unless he was so severely deaf that his ear drums would explode at the volume required for him to hear anything. (Okay - that's a big exaggeration, but what they hey.)

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Quote: " should Sony create a sound system that doesn't disturb neighbours, yet allows the partially deaf to enjoy the sound system most non-deaf people are capable of enjoying"

They're called headphones, mate.

Quote: "I dunno...I've not damaged my ears from loud music yet and people who tend to go to gigs and festivals usually end up fine - and well, my hearing's fine..."

I know a lot of people who've damaged their hearing reasonably badly from loud live music (usually from on stage though). I take reasonably good care of my hearing now actually, since I really want to do the whole music thing, and with a few notable exceptions, deafness isn't really a strong suit in that career path.

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Quote: "They're called headphones, mate."


Yeah, but it's not 5:1 surround sound.

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Quote: "Therefore we should just have a blank screen. Unfortunately sound cues would then have to go. It's discriminatory against the deaf. So basically, every game needs to end up having no outward display of any sort. Tactile responses would also have to go - some people can't feel anything. Blank screens, no sound, no feedback of any form. Hell even I could make a game like that.
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What the hell are you talking about? This guy isn't suing for discrimination because people who can see are able to play - he's suing because Sony are actively preventing him from playing. And for the Nth million time: he is not blind. He can see. Just not as well. Is it really that difficult to understand?

Quote: "On a side note, I'm considering suing Tampax because no matter how much I try, their products just don't work for me. I've asked around and apparently a lot of other guys have had the same problem. If that's not sexist, I don't know what is. LAWSUIT!"


This is the millionth comparison which is a) irrelevant and b) nothing like the situation described in the lawsuit.

I mean, examples like that are so stupid they don't even warrant a rebuttal. (If you can't understand that that example is nothing like a vision impaired guy after accessibility features then I pity you)

Quote: "I think David R has a vision problem otherwise, he would realize how ridiculous this is. Can I sue TGC for not having a website in braille or not offering bigger font sizes? There is another lawsuit for the guy"


....

I don't have a vision problem, I'm not disabled, I don't know anyone disabled etc.

It is not ridiculous. Read the bloody article. The guy bought a game, can't play it fully due to a vision problem and has requested that Sony open it up to either modding or third party accessibility tools. Sony denied. Under the law the guy quoted (which ALREADY EXISTS, I don't where this "You can't change the law" rubbish is coming from - this law is already in place) this is illegal. Please, tell me how this is ridiculous, because that seems completely reasonable to me. Or is it ridiculous purely because you have this bizarre-o-land assumption that disabled people didn't play games or use entertainment? They're still human, you know. They don't become drones as soon as they're disabled

Quote: "Hey, I'm mostly deaf and I just bought a pair of speakers. WHY ARE THEY SO QUIET???? You'd think the manufacturer would (at least) include some extra visual cues like a vibrating desk, annoyed family, and an angry neighbor so that I would know that they are really working, but no! How could they be so cruel as to not even think of the hearing impaired!!! I could be composing electronic music on these speakers and selling it on iTunes....they are making me lose potential money. I'm gonna sue!"


For the Nth time (again) that is not comparable - video games have multiple sensory outputs built into them AS STANDARD without ADDITIONAL WORK: audio, vision, tactile feedback (for consoles at least). A pair of headphones targets one sense and one sense only, so extending it to deaf people is unworkable without huge changes to the physical design of the product. If you hadn't already guessed yet - THAT'S NOT THE CASE WITH COMPUTERS AND CONSOLES because they are multimedia and they can EASILY be extended to assist accessibility. How do I know this? Because I had to develop something which did EXACTLY THAT, and it took 3 days. Oh no! The effort! It's so ridiculous...


Quote: "Honestly, at this point you obviously know that your arguments have almost no standing. Why are you insisting on your point when it is easy to see that it is ridiculous?"


It isn't easy to see it's ridiculous, because it isn't ridiculous. Disabled guy wants accessibility features. Please point out the bizarre-o-land ridiculousness here (and please, without an incredibly flawed analogy)

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Posted: 12th Nov 2009 15:34
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Quote: "Sony are actively preventing him from playing."


They are going out of their way to stop him playing?????

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This thread is an example of gamers' needs to attack everything they feel is "attacking" their precious hobby, even to the point of making ridiculous comparisons that defy logic. People are just feeding off of each other and most here have not even bothered to read the source article before running their mouth off (especially those who are still referring to him as blind).


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I've read the article, I know he's not blind, and my examples are deliberately over the top and ridiculous to try and exaggerate what I see as the foolishness of his lawsuit. I understand why he feels left out from this form of entertainment, and I do think that it would be good if video game companies did have options to cater for the disabled in whatever form, but honestly I think the idea of suing because he can't see the game as well as fully-sighted people is ludicrous.

Quote: "Beyond the denial of entertainment, the suit also contends that Sony's actions have caused visually impaired gamers a financial loss. Because Sony runs an official auction site where gamers can sell their in-game items for real money, the suit says Stern's inability to participate in that marketplace is costing him money."


Now that bit, I just thought was idiotic. There is stuff which could be done to improve it probably (I don't know, I have never used it) but again, to sue over this? It's such a pointlessly aggressive tactic. I think if he really wants to make a change then a less confrontational approach will help (and yes I know he's tried to speak to them before with less success). I think possibly a petition or something of the sort would help. The thing is, Sony is a business. They can't spend large amounts of money to cater for one person's wishes. If, however, he arranged a petition of some form, and managed to amass a significant number of signatures, then I think this would be a much more reasonable approach.

It might just be my knee-jerk reaction against lawsuits, but I think that the way that they are approaching the whole affair makes them look somewhat foolish.

Quote: "Sony are actively preventing him from playing."


Not sure how you got that... From what I can see (having only read the article linked to in the first post I wouldn't count myself as informed) they just aren't actively enabling him.

I know this post has had too many analogies so far, most of them exaggerated, many of them from me, but one last (I think more accurate) one.
Actively preventing him would be like standing in front of a door which he was trying to get through and blocking his path. What Sony are doing is much closer to not going out of their way to open the door for him. There is definitely nothing active about their attitude.

Quote: "This thread is an example of gamers' needs to attack everything they feel is "attacking" their precious hobby, even to the point of making ridiculous comparisons that defy logic."

I'm not a gamer, The only game I've played in the last couple of months is Zelda: OoT and I only played that for a couple of days. Apart from that, if I'm playing a game, it's either because I'm making it, or because I'm having a look at fellow TGCers work. I wouldn't say it was a hobby or anything, it's certainly not something I spend as much as 5 or 10 minutes a day doing. I'm taking this stance not because of a love of games, but because I simply don't agree with the lawsuit. And like I said earlier in this post, some of my comparisons have been exaggerated. However while I do not think they are directly comparable, their purpose was to overdo the situation to show my opinion, more than as a direct comparison.

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It would be nice of Sony to make the game accessible to him. They should not be forced to.

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Posted: 12th Nov 2009 19:23 Edited at: 12th Nov 2009 19:23
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So if this guy wins does that FORCE all game makers to CATER to visually impared people? So I would then be FORCED to make my product according to someone elses standards.

Guess TV and game manufactures must actively make TV's and games that dont cause seisures, because it must be costing them money, and entertainment also. BEWARE FLASHING LIGHTS - OR ELSE!!!!

I can't get into the NBA. lawsuit. I didn't get born into a rich family (I didn't have as good a opportunity to succeed). lawsuit. I can't play a game because I can't see as good as others (maybe get a bigger TV???). lawsuit.

I think this guy might have a chance of winning, but its because of liberal thinking, not practical thinking (hot coffee anyone?). To me his argument is not sound.

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It would be nice of Sony to make the game accessible to him. They should not be forced to.
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I agree with Drew Cameron.
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I say they just give him a refund.
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Brilliant man.

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Posted: 12th Nov 2009 19:59 Edited at: 12th Nov 2009 20:05
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Quote: "A game? No one NEEDS the game for daily use, no one HAS to play the game."

Excellent point.
His needs are what his side wants us to consider, and this game is for entertainment, which is not a necessity.

Case dismissed!

Quote: "It's time you joined the real world....It's just the decent human thing to do to respect other people's needs and make appropriate accommodations for them."

Since when are humans decent?
In the real world humans destroy their host, which makes them Earth's virus.
There are far more important things to argue about than one kid not knowing his own physical limitations, like stopping pollution globally.
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Quote: "In the real world humans destroy their host, which makes them Earth's virus. There are far more important things to argue about than one kid not knowing his own physical limitations, like stopping pollution globally.
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1) That has nothing to do with this thread. At ALL. NOTHING.

2) The trend of global warming is becoming addressed in culture and in legislation / new technology of developed countries. "Undeveloped" countries are becoming more developed, and they'll come round too. There isn't an overnight fix to the problem.

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Quote: "In the real world humans destroy their host, which makes them Earth's virus. There are far more important things to argue about than one kid not knowing his own physical limitations, like stopping pollution globally."

1) That has nothing to do with this thread. At ALL. NOTHING."


Which part, the real world, humans, one kid not knowing his own physical limitations, or pollution?

Real world - I'm not dreaming about this thread and it is about a real case - Phrase was used prior to me

Humans - What is that kid an alien, or is Sony run by aliens?

One kid not knowing his own physical limitation - Wake up and smell the coffee

Pollution - What this case is to the judicial system.


Quote: "2) The trend of global warming is becoming addressed in culture and in legislation / new technology of developed countries. "Undeveloped" countries are becoming more developed, and they'll come round too. There isn't an overnight fix to the problem."

The point about global pollution is that there are far more important things for us to be concerned about than this case.
It was not intended as an invite to go off topic, but I guess varying perceptions is why humans argue in the first place.

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Quote: "The point about global pollution is that there are far more important things for us to be concerned about than this case."


I hate this type of debate. The fight against cancer is more important than indie games development. Should everyone stop using dark basic and dedicate their lives to medical research? No.

[EDIT] The point I am aiming at is that global warming and pollution have nothing to do with this topic at all. Like literally nothing to do with whether a kid has poor eyesight.

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Quote: "[EDIT] The point I am aiming at is that global warming and pollution have nothing to do with this topic at all. Like literally nothing to do with whether a kid has poor eyesight."

I have explained the statement once (you even quoted me on it), and I am sorry you have trouble understanding it.
Let me put it in a way that you might be able to understand...

This case is a waste of the court's time.
This thread is a waste of our time.
No laws will be made or changed because of this disscusion or that case.
There is no point in arguing with you about why I should feel the way you do.
I have better things to do than get worked up because someone has a difference of opinion over some spolied kid with a eyesight impairment.

And if you don't understand this last one the explinations are in vain...

There are far more important things for you to argue about, so this thread is a waste of time.

Get it?
Do you understand how it applies to the thread now?

Sorry if I sound cynical, but it was the "It's time you joined the real world." that took it there.

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Is global warming even proven? Its just a theory right? I think its them blowing smoke again.
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Wha? Are we talking about a lawsuit or global wa...climate change? Stick to the topic guys! Or even better, lets forget it! This thread is going nowhere...
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This is what happens when you put game developers in a situation where there can be no clear winner.

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Just imagine if we were all in the same room.
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Quote: "Is global warming even proven? Its just a theory right? I think its them blowing smoke again."


Ha ha I get it...
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Quote: "It would be nice of Sony to make the game accessible to him. They should not be forced to."


Exactly my argument a few pages back.

It's difficult to accommodate for every group who can be accommodated for, but investment ought to be made and that market tapped into more - heck bug government funding if you must - arts councils or whatever if games companies aren't willing.

But like you say...no force necessary - we call ourselves free countries and well, these sort of things aren't too fair when it comes to force. I think there ought to be more for all-sorts of people that find video games inaccessible or problematic.

Quote: "I have explained the statement once (you even quoted me on it), and I am sorry you have trouble understanding it.
Let me put it in a way that you might be able to understand...

This case is a waste of the court's time.
This thread is a waste of our time.
No laws will be made or changed because of this disscusion or that case.
There is no point in arguing with you about why I should feel the way you do.
I have better things to do than get worked up because someone has a difference of opinion over some spolied kid with a eyesight impairment.

And if you don't understand this last one the explinations are in vain...

There are far more important things for you to argue about, so this thread is a waste of time.

Get it?
Do you understand how it applies to the thread now?"


Your attitude suggest that you are getting worked up by it.

And I think he made his point quite clear too. You were originally saying that there's more important things to worry about, you gave the example of global warming and well...it's a useless argument as just because something is less important, doesn't mean no attention ought to be brought. David pulled out the point that what was going on was 'illegal'. Well that alone demonstrates 3 things:

-It is not a waste of the court's time, because technically there was a law broken. Thus by law it is a legitimate case.

-This means some discussion is required should it really go through? Hence there's a court-case instead of immediate charges.

-The fact I picked up on this 5/6 pages through, whilst others skip over it proves that this thread is not a waste of time. Those who are willing to listen to opposing arguments are capable of learning something.

I don't think I've wasted time - part of the reason debates ought to go on is so that you can either educate or get educated or both. Considering this sort of thing happens and generally people are oppose to it - it kind of makes sense to debate it and find why these court cases go through.



Also..."visually impaired" - sorry its been bugging me - too PC and funnily enough we had a lecture on political correctness last week and some of the arguments against it on how it can often hurt the people who it tries to protect was strongest (IMO). The term "visual impairment" is too ambiguous and is perhaps cause for some of the confusion in this discussion. Technically because I'm short sighted in one-eye I'm some-what "visually impaired" and I have no problem playing games, my brother is visually impaired as he has 2D vision, but he sees fine - his glasses help a great deal. But the blind teacher who worked at my old school was also "visually impaired" and he'd suck as at any video games.

So maybe a question for everybody to consider is, "how visually impaired are the people we're talking about?" Can they see (with or without the assistance of glasses)? Do they have some trouble seeing? Or are they blind? I am sure the visually impaired have no problem with those labels.

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I would leave the room.

But to be honest, the only valid solution to the guys argument that I can see is opening up the use of third party mods. If he wants Sony to fully implement features for this problem in and of themselves, I think that's excessive. Requesting that third party mods be allowed to increase accessibility to me isn't as ridiculous as this initially sounded.

Although...maybe I should start a lawsuit...cause I'm partially colorblind...and some games I play...it's really a pain in the rear when I need to distinguish between colors. Sometimes I wish there was more consideration in color schemes for partial colorblindness(colors which contrast more heavily, even if only in terms of brightness). Joking about the lawsuit bit though.


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Posted: 12th Nov 2009 23:51 Edited at: 12th Nov 2009 23:55
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Perhaps all interface designers should be forced to use 640x480 monochrome monitors and only be allowed to add colour after testing. Sure stop a lot of major annoyances.



This is a comparison between the same icons at 640x480 and 1280x1024 in Oblivion, and legal/illegal actions. They don't look identical to colour blind people, but without having one right next to the other, they're nigh impossible to tell apart.

I imagine Metroid was hell on Earth too. Colour coded doors anyone?

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Heh, i responded to a post 30 messages ago. I have 100 posts per page, looked at the last post on the first page, and responded to that... So it was completely irrelevant to the current convo

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Quote: "looked at the last post on the first page, and responded to that... So it was completely irrelevant to the current convo"


I'm LOL because I've done that more than once.

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Brian."


Me too. I hate when I take 10-15 mins to write a long post and then realize it's irrelevant.
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Why Sony? Why not one of the hundreds of other video game companies that don't have accomodations for the visually impaired in their games?

And can't the visually impaired simply turn up the contrast on their monitors?

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In all fairness.

This is a equal global society where we are suppose to live in, well for most of the world.

It is a reasonable request but to a unreasonable cause point period end of discussion.

If the law is comprehensive enough it should cover Sony for the simple reason that this is a luxury item and is not a necessity to his continual existence nor thus any disabled person have personal gain nor is it likely to improve his personal condition for example improve his eye sight.Luxury items in General are deemed optional.

There is sufficient entertainment however limited it may be, there is entertainment tailor made for his condition.Games never had laws that govern them to be accessible to all able and disable persons.

Video games are made on the basis of people either able to see hear and motion.Making laws to force games to have accessibility to unable bodies will lead to utter chaos.

To the "mentally handicapped" people in this thread with their idiotic comparisons do you have a superiority complex to the less able than your self.

You have taken for granted what your able to do....and for that alone you don't deserve your able gifts...

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@wizard of id:

Quote: "To the "mentally handicapped" people in this thread with their idiotic comparisons do you have a superiority complex to the less able than your self.

You have taken for granted what your able to do....and for that alone you don't deserve your able gifts..."

No-one's saying anything about his disability. We don't think that we are better than him because of it. We're just pointing out the ridiculousness of him SUING over something which is predominantly visual when it should have been obvious that he might have difficulties with it. He should have researched the product before he bought it.

Quote: "You have taken for granted what your able to do"

Yes I have. And so have you. I can pretty much guarantee that no-one spends their entire life thinking about how it could be so much worse... You'd never actually get anything done. I on a regular basis do think about how I am glad that I don't suffer from any disabilities but I do take a lot of it for granted a lot of the time.


Apart from that though I entirely agree with your post.

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Posted: 13th Nov 2009 16:51 Edited at: 13th Nov 2009 16:53
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Quote: "It would be nice of Sony to make the game accessible to him. They should not be forced to"


People should be forced by law - to a reasonable extent - to cater for the minority. This is how we stop democracies turning into mob rule.

If there is no law to protect the minority then how about me, GG and xplosys vote on the proposition that "xplosys gives all his money to GG and Chris K".

I vote yes. One more yes and it passes ...

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I don't know where you're from, but in the US, we are not a democracy. A democracy IS mob rule. In a democracy, the majority rules - as in your example. We are a republic. We elect representatives to make law for us, hopefully guided by best interest. Good thing for me it's not done your way, though GG and Chris K would not notice much difference.

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Posted: 13th Nov 2009 18:07 Edited at: 13th Nov 2009 18:26
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@demons breath

I'm referring to these retarded posts.

It seems idiocy defeats logic every time on this forum

Quote: "On a side note, I'm considering suing Tampax because no matter how much I try, their products just don't work for me. I've asked around and apparently a lot of other guys have had the same problem. If that's not sexist, I don't know what is. LAWSUIT!"
I'm sure if you stick where the sun don't shine it would suck all "rubbish" your speaking.Yip funny that your post is
a retarded one.

Quote: "
Next they'll be suing record labels because deaf people can't hear or those in a wheelchair can't use a surf-board. "
Um, seriously? I love "retarded" people, thinking of things that even a actual retard wouldn't do..

Quote: "It would be like a man without legs suing a bicykle company becuase he cant use their cykles... "
I are always not spoken engrish too wells at least I are usages firefox twice spell checker
Makes the post even more retarded.

Quote: "Wow, does this mean i can sue god for giving me my condition?
After all it was his job to make me in his image."
I'm pretty
sure you should sue the figment of your imagination rather

Quote: "If I were deaf and bought a Pearl Jam CD, should I be able to sue Pearl Jam because I bought their CD and because their music isn't tailored to the deaf? If I didn't have any arms, should I be able to sue Fender for not making a guitar that is made for the armless?
"
I'm pretty sure if a real limbless person learns to play
a musical instrument it will be some thing to remember for a long time to come that is how good it will be.

Quote: "Or maybe I could sue the government for not providing enough jobs (if I was in that position, of course ), because people are given jobs based on their skills and I was not selected because I am less skilled. That's discrimination right there."
Actually what you mention is quite true especially when you are sitting on your behind the whole day drinking beer and re-watching re-runs.
as said before your idiocy defeats logic.

Quote: "Is the article also offered in braille? (I smell another suit)"
Gee, only a real insensitive person could think up some thing like that

I'm sure there are a few more retarded posts...

Pretty sure most if not all posts quoted lacks proper brain functions or requires a crash course in what racisms really is

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Quote: " A democracy IS mob rule."


No it isn't. Democracy is indeed majority, but mob would imply power controlled by the powerful. A la democracy by the people vs. rule by a few mega-corporations

Not the same thing at all

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Play nice children, and politics, that's naughties too, UAP don't forget, or smack bum bum comes.

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I know this was locked long ago and I'm not reopening the 'debate' but the case was thrown out of court.

Your signature has been [mod edited] :-p
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