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Posted: 16th Nov 2009 23:09 Edited at: 16th Nov 2009 23:10
Hi,

I read today in the newspaper that Windows 7 is more secure than LINUX and MAX OSX. I am a LINUX lover, and this struck me hard. How on earth can 10 stupid Microsoft developers overcome the uncrackable security of an operating system that has been in development for over 30 years by thousands and thousands of geeks?? Impossible, I thought.

After some research, it turned out that Windows 7 is a complete copy of Mac OSX, and Microsoft stuck their noses into future plans of the LINUX and MAC operating system. The plans were to make a more secure stack overflow terminator. When typing letters with the keyboard, the buttons are stored in a buffer until the processor has time to interpret them. This buffer has a limited size, and the most common hacking operation executed on a system is to overfill this buffer. When overfilled, the processor executes any machine code in the overflowing characters. This way, it is possible to inject code into the system and take control.

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sp4.html

Microsoft sees that LINUX and MAC are week in this area, so they make a "secure" system to kill any commands that overflow from the buffer.

This is the first step Microsoft took towards security. How much do you think they paid the media to tell everyone that their system is much more secure than LINUX?

Just to show that this is all baloney, I found this group called "Pwn2Own". Basically, they make a competition to see who can hack things in a deadline of 3 days. Surprisingly, MAC OSX went down in the first 5 hours. Vista took 2 days, and, as expected, LINUX remains undefeated. What do you expect from an open source operating system with thousands of geeks watching like watch-dogs over the system, and filling any gaps and security holes immediately?

I'm not sure if they tried this with Windows 7 yet, but I'll wait and see. Here's the official pwn2own website:

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-remains-unbeaten.html

Anyway, I just wanted to point out what I think of Microsoft and the media, and I wanted to get this matter off my back. Please post your arguments and comments below.

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Posted: 16th Nov 2009 23:14
Quote: "This is the first step Microsoft took towards security. How much do you think they paid the media to tell everyone that their system is much more secure than LINUX?"


They paid them far too much, that's for sure. My guess is millions, as the advertisement industry is quite expensive.

I don't think I can imagine a world where Windows is more secure than Mac OS X Or Linux; don't PCs get infected with viruses constantly? When's the last time anyone's heard of Linux or Mac getting infected? Almost never. They're definitely a bit more secure than Windows has been in the past.

Although, I do have to say that Windows 7 is great with updates and virus protection. I've been running it on my laptop for several days now and absolutely love it. The only complaint I have is that every time you run an application from an unknown publisher, it darkens the screen and asks you if you're sure that you want to run that program (despite if you've run the program multiple times before or not). It kept doing that to me with the DBPro trial.

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Posted: 16th Nov 2009 23:20
Well if Windows 7 is secure as an end result it's good, after all, it benefits us, the consumer.

I've had a good experience with Windows 7RC and well, I can't wait to purchase the released version. My friend bought a new laptop over the weekend with Windows 7 and the guy hated Vista, but immediately fell in love with 7 and well...Microsoft has finally done something right. If ideas were taken, well, they were good ideas...clearly. If patented or copyrighted, then well, Microsoft ought to cough up the cash, after all, they were responsible for those good ideas. If not...well, that's a lesson to be learned in protecting ideas and creations.

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Posted: 16th Nov 2009 23:36 Edited at: 16th Nov 2009 23:45
Quote: "system with thousands of geeks watching like watch-dogs over the system"


I often wonder who these thousands of people are... surely people don't read the whole source code before they use it? Talking thousands of lines here, just for the KERNEL, let alone anything that sits on top. I doubt most Linux users compile the kernel themselves at all.

Quote: "When typing letters with the keyboard, the buttons are stored in a buffer until the processor has time to interpret them. This buffer has a limited size, and the most common hacking operation executed on a system is to overfill this buffer. When overfilled, the processor executes any machine code in the overflowing characters. This way, it is possible to inject code into the system and take control."


Buffer overflows and protection are nothing new, and have nothing to do with the keyboard buffer. I think you've misinterpreted. Generally, in a buffer overflow, the program overwrites code after the buffer, not that processors automatically execute code that falls out of a buffer. If the keyboard handler was the root cause of all security flaws, that single issue would have been fixed by now, eh?

Buffer overflows are generally the result of idiotic programming practice that is just asking for security breaches - stuff like this:



I seem to recall that some of the Quake network code was full of stuff like this. In this example, if any text is passed to the function longer than 81 characters, the data - possibly the stack or function code, I don't know - after cBuffer would be overwritten with the content of the argument string. Good coding practice is either to get the strlen of the incoming string and malloc a new string instead of using arrays declared like this or to check if the string is longer than 80 chars (again using strlen) and reject if so.

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Posted: 16th Nov 2009 23:40 Edited at: 16th Nov 2009 23:43
No offence, but as Nex says, your explanation of buffer overflows is completely wrong (And it depends entirely on application programming rather than OS programming, although the OS can use techniques to make it more difficult for vulnerable applications to be exploited.)

If the application prevented buffer overflows in the first place, there would be no security risk. (It is exceptionally easy to prevent!). Buffer overflows are purely the result of lazy programming in applications.

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Posted: 16th Nov 2009 23:47 Edited at: 16th Nov 2009 23:48
Win7 just got its first Zero-day attack. You sure picked a bad time to post this

+ You're talking complete rubbish. I have no idea what your point is supposed to be

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Posted: 17th Nov 2009 08:30
Quote: "Buffer overflows and protection are nothing new, and have nothing to do with the keyboard buffer. I think you've misinterpreted."


Isn't the entry buffer, the video buffer, sound buffer and this buffer the same thing?

Quote: "Generally, in a buffer overflow, the program overwrites code after the buffer, not that processors automatically execute code that falls out of a buffer."


I think I have to disagree, the processor does execute any overflowing data.

Quote: "+ You're talking complete rubbish. I have no idea what your point is supposed to be"


Quote: "Anyway, I just wanted to point out what I think of Microsoft and the media, and I wanted to get this matter off my back."


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Posted: 17th Nov 2009 08:37
This in no way alters my support for MS and Windows 7. In fact, I applaud them.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2009 08:49 Edited at: 17th Nov 2009 08:52
Quote: "I don't think I can imagine a world where Windows is more secure than Mac OS X Or Linux; don't PCs get infected with viruses constantly? When's the last time anyone's heard of Linux or Mac getting infected? Almost never. They're definitely a bit more secure than Windows has been in the past."


I don't know about that. I have used XP, Vista, and 7. I got several viruses with XP, maybe one with Vista, and zip with 7. It depends on the person using the OS...and I use the internetz a lot. Sure, it's not going to be as secure as Linux, and I'm not so sure about Mac OS X, but its not like you catch a virus the moment you start browsing the web.

Even if Linux is virtually virus free, that doesn't mean a thing to me. I tried Linux Ubuntu a couple months back. Then I uninstalled it. The whole thing was a mess of Terminal commands and other garbage like that...I ended up taking the advice of someone on the internet to install a driver, and it wiped my whole PC. Sure, that was mostly my stupid mistake, but I'm not going back to Linux until they make it usable for more than web-browsing, for the average computer user.
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Posted: 17th Nov 2009 09:57
Quote: "I don't know about that. I have used XP, Vista, and 7. I got several viruses with XP, maybe one with Vista, and zip with 7. It depends on the person using the OS...and I use the internetz a lot. Sure, it's not going to be as secure as Linux, and I'm not so sure about Mac OS X, but its not like you catch a virus the moment you start browsing the web."


I know Windows 7 has taken steps towards more security, and it is a nice interface and it is fast, but I can't believe the media told me it was more secure than LINUX... And, to be honest, it is a complete copy of MAC OSX, right?

Quote: "Even if Linux is virtually virus free, that doesn't mean a thing to me. I tried Linux Ubuntu a couple months back. Then I uninstalled it. The whole thing was a mess of Terminal commands and other garbage like that...I ended up taking the advice of someone on the internet to install a driver, and it wiped my whole PC. Sure, that was mostly my stupid mistake, but I'm not going back to Linux until they make it usable for more than web-browsing, for the average computer user."


I see your point, it's just a matter of getting used to the operating system. The worst thing that can happen to LINUX with a virus, is that an account can be destroyed. But with windows the whole operating system can be destroyed. That's the big difference.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2009 10:01
I don't care whether it's more secure or not. It's a load of cack. The more I use it, the more I realise there are problems with everything. Nothing I used to use on XP, hardware or software, works without some sort of crash or bug. I have only just installed it and am getting fun issues like the old "Windows has recovered from a serious error" business.

If I didn't have so much Windows only software I didn't want to throw away, I think Windows 7 would've been the push I needed to switch to Linux.

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Quote: "After some research, it turned out that Windows 7 is a complete copy of Mac OSX, and Microsoft stuck their noses into future plans of the LINUX and MAC operating system."


Quote: "And, to be honest, it is a complete copy of MAC OSX, right?"


What in the hell are you talking about?! No, Windows 7 is not a complete copy of Mac OS X! It's another Windows operating system built on the NT kernel!

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Posted: 17th Nov 2009 12:13 Edited at: 17th Nov 2009 12:14
Quote: "What in the hell are you talking about?! No, Windows 7 is not a complete copy of Mac OS X! It's another Windows operating system built on the NT kernel!"


I'm talking about the interface.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT6YO30GhmQ

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=6135

This is vista, but they are almost alike, from what I heard. Windows 7 now has that cool slide bar with all of the icons at the bottom, just like MAC had for a long time. Ripoff? I don't think so...

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Posted: 17th Nov 2009 12:37 Edited at: 17th Nov 2009 12:39
Remember Windows 1.0?






It's probably safer to say that the 'new' task-bar is from an OS much older than OSX.

It would seem that Windows dropped it at a later stage.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2009 13:02
Quote: "The only complaint I have is that every time you run an application from an unknown publisher, it darkens the screen and asks you if you're sure that you want to run that program"
UAC and the darkening of the screen can be fixed, you can leave UAC on but prevent it from darkening your screen. I hated that about Vista, was wearing out my pixels!

With Vista and Now Windows 7 I've only ever had AVG free and SpyBot SD with the Windows Firewall active, and I've never had a virus, sounds pretty secure to me. In regards to hackers, not quite sure... The awful thing is I'm running the RC but I have a copy of the Retail Professional edition just waiting for me to install! Just need the time lol.


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Quote: "It's probably safer to say that the 'new' task-bar is from an OS much older than OSX."


But, factor in that NeXTSTEP also used a dock (and that NeXT's technology became OS X) and it isn't so clear cut (both WIn 1.0 and NS were previewed and released around the same time - Win in ~85, NS previewed in ~86 and released in ~89)

Not to mention the fact that even Acorn's OS had a dock around ~87 as well...

It's a concept copied again and again, but I think even if not 'owned' by either company, MS should take a hit for 'backpedaling'. Seems very convenient that now OS X is gaining share they suddenly decide to make use of the same UI mechanism

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Quote: "I think I have to disagree, the processor does execute any overflowing data."


Yes, it detects for any overflowing data and begins executing it, this makes sense.

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Quote: "I don't think I can imagine a world where Windows is more secure than Mac OS X Or Linux; don't PCs get infected with viruses constantly? When's the last time anyone's heard of Linux or Mac getting infected? Almost never. They're definitely a bit more secure than Windows has been in the past. "


There's an answer to this one -- install base. There are magnitudes more Windows users than there are users of Linux and MacOSX combined and multiplied by 100.

Besides, there's the bias issue. Not just in the "more secure" statement from Microsoft, but also in the hacking contest's non-hacking of Linux. For example, how many tried? How many liked Linux to begin with and decided not to?

Among hackers and more in-depth computer users, Linux seems a natural choice -- so why would they soil their own backyard?
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There was actually a hacking competition a while ago if I remember right, where there were three laptops: One with Windows Vista installed, one with Linux installed, and a Mac. If you managed to hack into a laptop you won it and some prize money. The first to go down was a Mac, with the Windows laptop going down second. The linux laptop wasn't claimed: a group had managed to find a way to hack into it, but for the time and effort required it wasn't worth it. So while it may be harder to hack into, Linux is no less vulnerable than any other OS.

Ironically most of the ones that go on about Linux's security (or lack of Windows security) don't even set up their operating system properly, and still run under the administrator account during normal use, some going as far as to even run the root account, compromising the amount of security their system actually has.

Of course, in the end how secure your system is largely depends on the user. Me, I dual boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu, and switch between them depending on what I'm doing at the time. On both I have a means of anti-virus available, and even when browsing the web I use both AdBlock Plus and No-Script in Firefox to more or less stop any website from doing anything unless I let it. Am I unhackable? No. But I do try to keep some preventative measures up, just in case.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2009 15:53
Quote: "Isn't the entry buffer, the video buffer, sound buffer and this buffer the same thing?"


Quote: "I think I have to disagree, the processor does execute any overflowing data."


What a load of complete and utter rubbish. Go and learn to program, and I mean PROGRAM.

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Quote: "What a load of complete and utter rubbish. Go and learn to program, and I mean PROGRAM."


Is the pot not calling the kettle black?


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Posted: 17th Nov 2009 17:08
I can't program and I know what a load of rubbish he's talking. Yes. I guess I am.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2009 18:34 Edited at: 17th Nov 2009 18:42
@Nex

I know, I shouldn't talk about things I don't know about. Sorry about that guys...

But my main point was, that I can't believe the media told me that Windows 7 is more secure...

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Posted: 17th Nov 2009 19:59
Still not seeing an valid arguments against Windows 7.

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Quote: "Still not seeing an valid arguments against Windows 7."


What about Fallout's argument that his stuff doesn't work properly with it? I haven't had much problems myself, and I feel kinda bad since I'm one of the ones that recommended to him to get 7.

So far, I really like it. Everything seems to work really fast in it, too, but maybe that has something to do with my new quad-core processor and 4gb of RAM.

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Fallout's problem sounded like drivers not working properly to me. Developers have been updating their drivers with the new OS, but some aren't up to scratch. RealTek's aren't either - the Vista one I found runs better than their Windows 7 release.

Though if you're hardware isn't going to work, then obviously you're not going to necessarily want to buy it - though if you are going to upgrade, then maybe I'd just suggest to everyone to dual boot...as you might when upgrading to any OS...at least if you find yourself in a minority and your OS is screwed, or something doesn't work, then at least you can use the OS your already have, so you don't go, "oh crap! I wasted my money! And now I've wiped Windows Vista! (Or XP...or 3.1 if you're retro)

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Posted: 17th Nov 2009 20:53
Quote: "Still not seeing an valid arguments against Windows 7."


I have never used it before, so I can't really give a valid argument. But I have read a lot about Windows 7 copying MAC, and even that Microsoft admitted to it.

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Quote: "I have never used it before, so I can't really give a valid argument."


So you create a thread trashing a product without even trying it yourself, based purely on what you've read?


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Posted: 17th Nov 2009 23:15 Edited at: 17th Nov 2009 23:15
Typical "LINUX" fanboy(!)

(I kid. BTW, Linux does not stand for anything. It's a portmanteau of the lead creator's name, Linus, and Unix, on which much of its ideas are based. Therefore, capitalizing all five letters implies an acronym and is grammatically incorrect.)

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I think it can be fairly said that if you do not wish to upgrade your hardware, then you should not use a newer operating system, or at least give the manufacturer's time to update their drivers to work with the new OS before upgrading.

I'm going to put Windows 7 on boot camp before long, but as for my desktop, I'm going to wait and build a new quad core system and get it a nice DX10 (or possibly 11 in the future) card. At this point, my desktop has a Pentium D, a Radeon X1850, and 1 gig of memory. It would probably run well on 7, but I'm probably better off leaving that one as-is and building a new machine for Windows 7.

Don't upgrade if it doesn't make sense, and certainly don't complain about it. It's like pumping a 480i signal through a 1080p DLP 120 Hz 60 in. TV and complaining about the aspect ratio and blocky picture.

And what's so bad about average internet use for Ubuntu? My roommate knows very little programming and happily runs it on his laptop. The only issues he's had have been with this crappy online homework software he's required to use for his Calc 3 class. All you needs is "sudo apt-get install" and "sudo apt-get remove". Or better yet, just use Synaptic.

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Posted: 18th Nov 2009 06:06
Quote: "So you create a thread trashing a product without even trying it yourself, based purely on what you've read?"


No, I'm not entirely trashing it... I keep repeating myself, but my main point was:

Quote: "But my main point was, that I can't believe the media told me that Windows 7 is more secure..."


On the positive side, I do like the look of Windows 7, and I do want to give it a go. From what I hear, it is a pretty good operating system.

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Ahhh, with this buffer\code execution talk we arrive yet again at the point of:

If MS wrote code that used the [insert favorite IA-32 or later CPU here] as [insert company that produces said CPU] designed it to be used, these problems would be less of a nuisance.

In this instance:
CPUs can execute data if they do not have protection mechanisms in place to prevent them from doing so, or if such mechanisms are poorly implemented. The only sure way to prevent this from happening is through hardware. A long time ago in a lab far, far away, Intel integrated this hardware into their line of x86 CPUs. The 286 had some of these capabilities but was far from perfect, with the 386 & 486 things improved to the point that an OS could use the hardware to prevent security faults, as long as the kernel was written correctly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_mode

http://www.rcollins.org/articles/pmbasics/tspec_a1_doc.html
If you scroll down to table 1 in that link, you may recognize some of these faults from the BSOD, in particular, General Protection fault.

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I'm not sure why Fallout is getting those errors.

Quote: "but maybe that has something to do with my new quad-core processor and 4gb of RAM."


Strange, that's what I have too.

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It's not just serious error recoveries. Now I am getting BSODs!! BSODs!!!!! All I have to do is walk away from my PC for a while, and then it tries to do some sort of power saving thing (I'm guessing), and it BSODs like a crazed fool.

I am desperate for driver updates! I need a new ASUS mobo driver (which will probably fix the power saving BSODs), and I DESPERATELY need Creative to get off their uncreative backsides, and make a new Windows 7 driver. My Audigy ZS Platinum is next to useless. Now recording doesn't work, I can't write/record music anymore. BASTARDS! And the shipped Media player can't even play MP3s? And you can't change aspect ratios, so videos are stretched. So I need Microfools to ship some sort of service pack yesterday!

Anyone want to guess at a timeline for that stuff? Ok, don't give me a date exactly. Let's just take bets on whether I'll be dead from old age or not. I vote not dead since I am a ridiculous optimist. h

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Quote: "Microsoft and the media,"

Oh, yes. CLEARLY Microsoft is the one that needs to be criticized for its use of the media and advertising.

Apple blatantly lies and slanders MS in its "Im a Mac and Im a PC" commercials. They do nothing but slam windows for no reason, and they NEVER support their claims with any kind of evidence. All they say is "Windows is horrible! People hate Windows! Macs are perfect! People love them!" And yet they never give any reason as to WHY or HOW Windows is bad or Mac is good. They just expect people to believe their claims without any evidence.
Some of the commercials dont even make sense! In one of them, they have the PC guy is sitting at a little news desk and he says "We now go live to the windows 7 launch." and all the people say that they're going to move to macs. When the PC asks why, they say, "Well if we have to move all our stuff anyway, we might as well move to the computer that's # 1 in customer satisfaction."
... WHAT?! That makes no sense at all. First off, if you're upgrading to Windows 7, you DON'T have to move ANYTHING! You just upgrade and your stuff gets putt in a windows.old folder or something like that. On the other hand, if you "upgrade" to a Mac, you have to buy an entirely new machine. THAT is when you have to move your files.
Second, I don't believe for a minute that mac is #1 in customer satisfaction. Macs are TERRIBLE. I've used Macs at my internship for six hours a day, five days a week, for the last four months. In that time, the macs have crashed on dozens of more times than all of the PCs I've used in the past six years combined. (Six years ago was when I first got my own computer and actually started being on computers on a regular basis.

Microsoft, on the other hand, never says ANYTHING about Macs, negative or otherwise. All the commercials for Windows simple state reasons why PCs are good and why we should buy them.

In conclusion, Apple is a bunch of lying, backstabbing A-holes.
Microsoft at least isn't guilty of false advertising.

I have a devious mind.
Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 19th Nov 2009 22:51
Omega makes a good point.

Sure, I think Macs are good in their own respect, but Apple definitely bashes Windows far too much, and they never back up their claims as to why Macs are "better". It doesn't make sense.

The only things I would want to use a Mac for are video editing and graphics work, and that's just because they seem to manage memory a bit better than PCs (although Windows 7 seems to make great use of memory and CPU usage).

Quote: "Some of the commercials dont even make sense! In one of them, they have the PC guy is sitting at a little news desk and he says "We now go live to the windows 7 launch." and all the people say that they're going to move to macs. When the PC asks why, they say, "Well if we have to move all our stuff anyway, we might as well move to the computer that's # 1 in customer satisfaction."
... WHAT?! That makes no sense at all. First off, if you're upgrading to Windows 7, you DON'T have to move ANYTHING! You just upgrade and your stuff gets putt in a windows.old folder or something like that. On the other hand, if you "upgrade" to a Mac, you have to buy an entirely new machine. THAT is when you have to move your files."


Apple just doesn't want us to know about the Windows.Old folder.

Programming is too difficult for me, unfortunately...darn.
entomophobiac
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Posted: 19th Nov 2009 23:07
Quote: "It's not just serious error recoveries. Now I am getting BSODs!! BSODs!!!!! All I have to do is walk away from my PC for a while, and then it tries to do some sort of power saving thing (I'm guessing), and it BSODs like a crazed fool."


You can't blame Microsoft for how you personally treat your machine. When a computer comes out of the box, I bet Windows works like a charm. From that point onward, people install whatever they come across without considering the consequences. And there's an endless diversity of software available.

Hence the problem. And it's probably some other software company's compatibility problems with Windows -- and not the other way around -- that usually causes problems.
Fallout
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Posted: 19th Nov 2009 23:22
I agree, but in this case, this is a brand new PC I've just built, with practically nothing on it except the most up to date drivers I can find for each hardware component.

IMO, Windows 7 should have more hardware compatibility out of the box.

DJ Almix
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Posted: 19th Nov 2009 23:40
Your post seems to be chock full of fanboy

Still I don't care honestly what is int being copied these days, the only reason I use windows is because I can use actual apps and not have to go through a process of emulating them somehow.
I like Linux, but really Macs? Can't stand not having right click!

NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 19th Nov 2009 23:47 Edited at: 19th Nov 2009 23:49
You have right click now. Unfortunately, it's still the worst mouse on the planet because it only differentiates between left and right using a touch panel, and the actual button is the whole base of the mouse making pressing both buttons or holding a button down whilst the mouse is elevated completely impossible. This might be fixed by the magic mouse, but bleh, three buttons, please.

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 01:30
Mac's are cool looking innovative (First full size laptops I've seen with the amazing 8 hours battery) and I think it ends there. For me it's just not practical to get a Mac. I've a freaking gamer for crying out loud! I also deal with a lot of .rmvb files and for the life of me I've never been able to find a good video converter that works, on Mac.

Less viruses is a plus, but I haven't had a virus for ages on my PC so that selling point is void! As to the Mac commercials I love watching them because there funny!

I'd probably use a Mac, but only if it supported DirectX and as Microsoft is the owner of that technology I don't think Mac's will be running it anytime soon...


NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 01:55
Boot Camp...? It seems good enough for UT3 here at college. Although it is a little ironic that the unupdated, unprotected XP installations in the Boot Camp are absolutely festering with malware that gets carried home every day and thankfully obliterated by decent AV. Yes, I've complained, and I got called an idiot for suggesting computers not connected to the internet could possibly get malware(!) and of course without admin rights I can't install AVG. When I actually proved their infection by showing them a clean stick put into a machine coming out with an autorun.inf and several infected .exes, the technicians shrugged and said it wasn't their concern.

More jerks I'd like to slap. Imagine how many machines have been infected by their incompetence and ignorance.

Athlon64 2.7gHz->OC 3.9gHz, 31C, MSi 9500GT->OC 1gHz core/2gHz memory, 48C, 4Gb DDR2 667, 500Gb Seagate + 80Gb Maxtor + 40Gb Maxtor = 620Gb, XP Home
Air cooled, total cost £160
Yodaman Jer
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Quote: "it is a little ironic that the unupdated, unprotected XP installations in the Boot Camp are absolutely festering with malware that gets carried home every day and thankfully obliterated by decent AV. Yes, I've complained, and I got called an idiot for suggesting computers not connected to the internet could possibly get malware(!) and of course without admin rights I can't install AVG. When I actually proved their infection by showing them a clean stick put into a machine coming out with an autorun.inf and several infected .exes, the technicians shrugged and said it wasn't their concern.

More jerks I'd like to slap. Imagine how many machines have been
infected by their incompetence and ignorance."


Them there technicians need to be fired. Saying it's not their concern when it obviously is proves just how lax people are. If they don't feel like doing the work, they feel that they shouldn't.

I'll totally go with you and slap them around the head a few times if you want. Sounds like it'd be fun!

Programming is too difficult for me, unfortunately...darn.
NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 03:14
I'd get expelled. They also failed to enable RAID-1, and their weekly backup system involving a collection of USB pen drives served to lose me some work, too. They are useless and in my country they would be brutally executed.

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Air cooled, total cost £160
demons breath
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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 03:54
Quote: "I'd get expelled."

Then go for something less dramatic. Or better yet, less attributable to you. Anthrax in their coffee, perchance?

Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 04:19 Edited at: 20th Nov 2009 04:19
Plant a virus in one of the technician's computers, and make it seem like it's completely unstoppable unless he wipes his hard drive. Or better yet...


1) Take a screenshot of his dekstop
2) Save it in paint and then set it as his desktop background
3) Proceed to delete his icons and hide the recycle bin
4) Watch in amusement as he attempts furiously to click on his icons that "just aren't loading!".

Programming is too difficult for me, unfortunately...darn.
Darth Vader
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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 09:14
Quote: "1) Take a screenshot of his dekstop
2) Save it in paint and then set it as his desktop background
3) Proceed to delete his icons and hide the recycle bin
4) Watch in amusement as he attempts furiously to click on his icons that "just aren't loading!""

I really like the sound of that and really need to try it out...

Fallout
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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 09:29
Quote: "the only reason I use windows is because I can use actual apps and not have to go through a process of emulating them somehow."


In theory. But with Windows 7, I spend a lot of time emulating them in XP mode (unsuccessfully).

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 11:06 Edited at: 20th Nov 2009 11:09
Quote: "operating system that has been in development for over 30 years by thousands and thousands of geeks??"


Linux has been in development for 18 years and Windows has been in development for 24 years.

You probly got confused with UNIX which is a completely different operating system. Even though they do have many similarities, they are both different. But UNIX has been in development for 40 years.

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 17:28
Quote: "I really like the sound of that and really need to try it out..."


Make sure to move the task bar to the top of the screen and autohide, as well


OMG! Insanity Complex has a new signature! No wai!

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