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Newbie Brogo
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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 00:24
My computer is meessed up right now. I'll explain the problem.
ok, i was doing the usualy stuff ont he computer and then when i closed one of my games, the icons were in a diff. color setting, (this has happened before) so i change the setting back to the normal one, and restart my computer, then wehn it comes back on, my normally brownish desktop is a scratchy purple and black. my icons are huge and really bad color.. i think this is 16-bit, i try changing my screen size, changing color setting, but when it restarts it does the exact same thing with 16-bit and huge icons and computer screen. this window is huge too.. please help me!!!! if you can you will be in my history for ever...

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Newbie Brogo
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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 00:26
also, i got windows 98, and i cant find the user manual

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 00:28
I feel so abd for you .......
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Sorry bad joke... Maybe you should restart it again then set your setting to normal and click the apply button then click ok and away you go!

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 00:29
abd LOL I ment bad

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 00:35
no, done it 100 times, i hit apply, "u must restart your computer for settings to be applied" but it doesnt, and i hit no, but it doesnt change either... i did download this one thing, i could delete it then try... but plz, all, help me, i am desperite

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 00:43
maybe your video card got fried. Sounds like your in 8-bit 640x480, which is what Safe Mode runs in. Not sure about 98, but maybe your running it in Safe Mode. Otherwise, I gotta say that your video card got one kilowatt too many.


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Newbie Brogo
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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 01:06
mabey it is safemode, u know how to get me outta safe mode?

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 01:11
i've got no sound, and i cant use the middle scroll button on the mouse. mabey i am in safe mode, how i get out...

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 01:15
I dont know, I'm not even sure if 98 supports Safe Mode. Sorry.


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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 01:21
98 does/can go into safe mode, but i have no clue why its done it now.. please, mods? RPGgamer? rich? HEEELP! srry if i'm impasiont and rude (and not spelling very good) but its nooooo fun in 8-bit and 680x460 please help, someone that knows lots bout computers

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 01:26
whens raven gonna read this post, I'm sure he can help you.


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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 01:58
ok, raven, please look i am depressed, now i cant do anything unless i want in 680x460 8-bit, which is not fun

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 02:00
it sounds like you're in safe mode because it sounds like unecessary drivers are not being loaded (ie sound, mouse wheel etc) Did you try cold booting the system? Turn it off. leave it off for a few minutes, boot it back up.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 02:05
i left it off over night, and threw school already. anyother ideas? and i tried using the emergency start-up floppy to start it, did nothing...

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 02:25
Right-click on my computer and select properties.
Then click the sytem properties tab. (can't remember the exact name)
There should be a list of all your devices, are there any with yellow exclamation marks or red crosses? If there are double click on them and see what is says.
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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 02:30
i see none of that....

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 02:52
can any of you ask some proffesionals? PLEASE?!?!?! i beg you, whenever i try to ask techtv, my internet explosrer crashes... please, some of you, you know of proffesionals, like TechTV, Microsoft (i got Dell Windows 98), ect.! PLEASE!!!!!!!!

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 02:54
see if there is a file on the root drive named boot.ini, is it there?
post it's contents here

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 03:20
i dont think there's a boot.ini, i didn't find it, and i searched boot.ini in the find too...

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 03:30
Please help me!! do anything you can, go to other places and ask other people, go to TechTV and ask them, please!!!!!!! This is not cool, and i'm not payin the money to get this computer fixed or a new one. this is not cool at all, please! help me in anyway u can, call, e-mail, talk to, people that know this kinda stuff, i cant wait now, srry if i'm rude, but this is not cool, not cool at all, imagin you being ripped away from the computer forever, it's been broken since yesterday.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 03:58
go onto google and search "Windows 98 stuck in safe mode" without the quotes. Apparently this is common and there are things to try.
Luckily this never happened to me when I used 98 solely.


If you figure it out post here

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 04:16
well, i e-mailed my uncle, which made a program that he sold and made big bucks for it cause now doctors use it everywhere, including him, hes a doctor, and a computer geek like us, only older. and umm.. i e-mailed dell too, hope they can help me, i'm waiting for replies from both of them, if they both cant help, then i'll try the google thing

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 04:25
try reinstalling windows and the drivers and what is your GFX card called?

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 04:30
i dont even know how to re-install windows... i dunno my GFX card either..... any easier way of fixing this? and if re-installing windows deletes any of my files, i cant really do it, i got too many valuable files to delete

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 05:16
please help soemone, i so far tried starting it up in safe-mode, then starting it back up in normal, (didnt work) and i might try restarting it in MS-DOS mode, is this a virus i got??? one that ruins my screen and stuff???

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 05:22
It does seem like your in safe mode settings. Basically, safe mode runs the comp just using what it needs (EG. no graphics driver) So, what you might want to try and do is download a new driver for your video card and install that. If your monitor is kind of old you may want to get an older video driver because..well..I didnt once and your monitor cant read the new video settings.

So, try updating your drivers and see what happens. If all else fails take it to a computer shop and have them do some work on it, surely they will be able to help.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 05:48 Edited at: 5th Sep 2003 05:49
ok, now i need a smart dude to tellme if what i'm about to do will do some non fixable damadge, i've found out over various forums, a solution, the guy did what he was told and his display (same as mine) things were fixed, they said in the device manager, delete:
-Display Adapter
-Monitor
-Sound Items


if u can help me, i will be very grateful, i need to know if my copmuter wont start up again if i do this, so i'm holdin off until i get an answer.
btw: dell was no help, they take too long to reply.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 06:09
please reply!!! i NEED to do homework on this too!!!

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OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! THIS IS THE MOST ANNOYING THING!

This used to happen to me ALL the freaking time when I used 98, and I always managed to fix it, but I can never remember how

Gah, if it comes back I'll remind you, all I know is, if i recall, it's a really STUPID error that eventually goes away once you poke around and tweak some settings, restart 8,000 times and pray to all 17 gods. lol

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the moral of the story here... is upgrade to WindowsXP
aside from that what you can try is this.

If your in safe mode you'll know about it because in each Windows except 95 you get the words "safe mode" in all 4 corners of the screen. (as if the UI wasn't already cramped enough eh)

now the first option you can try is this, when your system displays "now loading Windows98..." or something to that effect press F8 or F5 one of them will work and you'll get an options screen.

This time your going to deliberatly choose Safe Mode (w/o networking) ... let it boot up and everything will look horrible, don't worry this won't be the case after we tinker with a few things.

Now first order of business is to find out if any drivers are broken or not loading (as this sounds like to me).
So right-click on My Computer and choose properties from the menu.

You'll have a little screen appear with you major computer details, click to tab called "Device Manager"
Now check down that list to see if you have any yellow (triangle) attention or red (circle) warning symbols.

if you have we've atleast identified the problem here, if not then gimme a little while to think about a next step cause 98 doesn't have system restore.

But i think it'll be a safe bet your graphics cards drivers were broken and will have a warning symbol next to them ... (will be the symbol with the little monitor called Display Adapters)
Double click on your cards name, should be under that icon - if not you've really done a number on the system lol
And it should either goto a tab menu saying "driver broken using default PCI adapter" (or something to that effect) else it'll bring up the Add Hardware Wizard.

Now you'll need you driver CD/Disk ready, if you don't have one then you'll have to manually pick what your card is (which can be a pain as i dunno what it is so i can't instruct you on that, and it isn't a guarentee the Bios at bootup will tell you as some cards do a bios boot and some don't)
I'm gonna hope you have the CD anyways ... first thing to try if to put the CD/Disk into the drive and run "Automatic Update/Search"

if it fails to find anything then press back, go manual/advanced selection ... scroll down to display adapters, and underneath the second window is a button saying "have disk" then you can manually select where the driver is on the CD/Disk.
(if you don't have a disk and were using windows drivers, get your 98 cd handy and go down the left hand list to find your cards manufacture/chip maker then the right hand list for your chip type then click NEXT)

After that is done you can then close the Device Manager just clicking OK to everything and when it asks if you want to reboot, say NO.

RightClick on a free peice of screen and click properties. This'll bring up your display properties, goto the setting tab and set the resolution and colour depth you want.
Now reboot when prompted.

It should fixx the display problem, however the other problems might be the cause of something else.
you may wish to get a virus checker from somewhere, like Norton Anti-Virus or McAfee use thier online checker to check your system over ... as you maybe infected with something for this to happen.

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sounds too me your boot files are corupt or missing(or screwy drivers), re-install windows 98 on top of it so you don't lose your files.(by re-installing it you get the default boot up files), should work and when you install windows your drivers would be replaced(hopefully) with the default ones, then upgrade your drivers once everything works, then once it works backup everything on your comp and format it. If you do a windows "repair" you should be fine.

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This is going to be a long thread...

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 23:34
Yeah, 98 has a repair option in system tools or something (it's been a while) anyway it can repair corrupt files from the install cd but I am not sure this is your problem.

-Have we completely ruled out viruses?
-I have some boot sector tricks (could get scary)
-there's always FORMAT C: /s (which I don't recommend as of yet)
-there's always a good baseball bat lying around (last resort)
-ever considered win2kPro or XP Pro? (Just curious)

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Posted: 5th Sep 2003 23:58
still, i've searched the internet, and foudn someone else with my problem, it said they deletes in the device manager:

-Display Adapter
-Monitor
-Sound Items


I still want to know if this is safe, he said all was fixed when he did that, and no i dont have a cd, or atleast not that i know of.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2003 00:18
If it is safemode, just press F8 on next boot-up, and you'll get the option to get out.

I'm not sure it is safemode though, i doubt safemode would load your internet/network drivers. Really, what i could do with, is a screenshot of your device manager and display properties: settings tab. Also, does it give you any error messages at all?

Anyway, this is what i'd recommend:

-- Reboot, press F8 on boot-up (keep tapping it), until a menu comes up. You should have the option of loading up in "Step-By-Step" mode, which will allow you to see what drivers are loading. Make sure all is what should be.

-- Try removing the display adapter from your system, and reboot. Then install the drivers from the original cd you got with your graphics card. If that works, then upgrade to the latest version of the drivers.

-- If your computer hasnt been totally wiped and the os reinstalled for a year or so, back up all your needed work and format your harddrive. Start again from scratch.

-- Buy a new computer. Your computer sounds old, it might be on its way out. What is the graphics card anywho? To be honest, to me it sounds like you've got an intel or sis (or similar) mobo, which has integrated sound/video on the mobo. Maybe one of your control chips got fried. That often happens on board with integrated sound and video, if one thing goes, everything else goes with it


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Posted: 6th Sep 2003 00:26
still havent asnwered my question:
is it safe to delete:
-Display Adapter
-Monitors
-Sound Items

from my system, but i dont have a cd for it, so i have no clue how to get them back unless it does it automatically, since ur smart, i turn to you all *bows* .
btw: i looked in the device manager, and nothing bad, no ! or triangeles or circles, just the way i left it. and no errors come up when loaded, and this isnt really safe mode, just suck in 16-but and 640x480. but someone said deleting the above items fixed everything but their sound, and their sound was a new sound system, so i might not have that problem, i dont have a CD to re-intall anything, and i have no clue, how to start from scratch, and theirs too many files to back-up, we have 2 drives, C/D i've used 30gb. of D, and all of C (5gb.) with around 200somethin mb. left

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stick your win 98 cd in the drive, reboot the pc and then go into bios and select the cd drive as the boot device, when the cd starts then choose "boot pc with cd support" and then opt to install windows, that will install a working windows over your existing setup and leave your files intact, when you go into windows your screen res may be low cos windows can`t always tell what driver it needs, so you need to know what video card you have, then go to control panel and select display\settings\advanced and then adaptor, then select "change" and run through the wizard to install the correct driver for your card, then you will have to go into display settings and set your screen and the colour depth to what you normaly use, the option of deleting the drivers and letting windows install them again is risky, it will work if you have the windows install cab files on your cd, do a search for *.cab and if you get a whole raft of cab files all come up (about 70 iirc), about 1.44mb each then you should be ok (but nothing in windoze is guaranteed), if they are there then they will have all the drivers plus you should have your old untouched drivers in the installation somewhere, so it should work again, you realy need the CD to do any good if you have a serious crash though.

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Quote: " still, i've searched the internet, and foudn someone else with my problem, it said they deletes in the device manager:"


When you look in device manager what does it say for display adapter etc. and does it have any exclamation marks or red crosses.

If you do delete them you may need to install the drivers again. You should have a driver cd from dell with them on. It's proberly an idea to write down what each bit of hardware is called in the device manager if you are to have any hope finding drivers later.

It sounds like it could do with a format/re-install anyway. The only problems with dell is if you loose the driver cd there is always one piece of hardware with almost impossible to find drivers. That and the dumb case design is the only problems I have ever had will dell.
You could also try posting of the dell support forums.
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Quote: "When you look in device manager what does it say for display adapter etc. "


Yeah, we need this info. You can do your idea (delete those items), but BEFORE you delete them, find out what they are, and download the drivers!

Sit the drivers for each component on your desktop, so it's easy to find, then delete all those devices (don't bother restarting after each one). Once your've deleted all 3, then restart. When it boots back up, it'll come up with the add new hardware wizard (3 times, one for each component )

The best thing to do would be to cancel these, and install the drivers from the packed exe's you downloaded (unless you downloaded .inf files, in which case use the wizard).

I could still do with knowing the name of both your video and sound drivers, to see if we can rule out the broken mobo idea...


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ok, deleteing and re-installing is the way to go, Dell just e-mailed me saying that would help, and they got the issue of my middle mouse scrolling, but i'm not going there, so i'm gonna try and find the resource CD or i guess i could download the driverS? as shock said?
Quote: "find out what they are, and download the drivers!
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btw: tellme if i can download the drivers, or if i NEED the resource CD

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the original cd that came with your puter would be the best option, but if you cant find it then it looks like you'll have to go for the download option. it's just that we actually know that the old drivers *should* work

anyway, do you know what your graphics card is called yet?


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make sure have 98 disk and vid drivers on disk or pc b4 doing this:

Change your video adapter to Standard VGA (may ask for 98 cd) reboot, don't let windows try and reconfigure for your card when it reboots (press cancel). Let windows finish loading. Ok now switch it back to your specific driver, reboot again.

worth a shot

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no, not reall,y but i'm going to do the re-install thing when my dad gets home, he might knwo where CD is, or i might find it now. i feel a little better now and i'm not in a total frenzie now.

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FOUND IT! umm.. woudl it be called: Dell Dimension ResourceCD

it has on it:
frequently Asked Questions
Device Drivers
Diagnostics and Utilities
Online Documentation

The Dell Dimension ResourceCD is part of the backup media for your Dell Dimension computer system. You do not need to use this CD before you start using your systen. Store this CD in a safe place in case you ever need to reveiw online documentation or reinstall your device drivers.


sound right? if it is i'll start.

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eh, errm, ok?

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so.. thats it? i guess thats a yes, i'm starting, and if its not it, i'm going to eat you castle rustler.

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First before you do anything find out what you have in your computer.
in the device manager write down exactly what it says for;

Display adapter
network card
modem
sound video and game controlers (sound card is here)

There will be drivers on the cd for ever piece of hardware that was an option on a dimension when you got your pc so you will need to know what hardware is in your comp so you can install the correct drivers.
If you where previously having graphical problems it might be worth getting the latest drivers for your video card as it may solve the problem.
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LOL just make sure the cd doesn't do anything data-destructive to your system. reinstalling drivers shouldn't be a problem

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Posted: 6th Sep 2003 01:22
lol, i wont eat u now rustler, MY COMPUTER IS BACK TO NORMEL!!!!!!
thanks all that even posted 1nce here, u all helped out a little, this is yet another succesfully solved problem, now my system has normal graphics, and everythings back to normal and now i know what to do if it breaks
HOOZARRR!!!!!
yay, ok, all is good, not sure bout my sound, but i can get that up in a sec too, i know how now, thanks to dell.

You did what? For who?! For how many jellybeans?!?

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