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Quik
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Posted: 29th Jul 2010 02:50
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to make a long story short. No, a good shot isnt all depending on the camera, I mean, the timing, the moment, you know all that stuff is all depending on the camera man, however, if you are a good photographer and use a bad camera you cant really do anything about the noise and blurrness of the pictures, which is the problem here, therefore unless you want to buy and learn to use photoshop, you need a better camera.

did i clear out this mess now? >.>


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Posted: 29th Jul 2010 03:03 Edited at: 29th Jul 2010 03:31
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@BiggAdd hmmmm if I told you an analogy about a ball hitting the ground would you then jump the gun and compare that to the moon hitting the ground? I'm sure you know what an electron microscope dose and what an optical microscope dose, right?

Edit: Also i'm not talking about forms of welding... if you would have compared it to cameras you would of known I wasn't talking about forms of welding, wow I never have seen someone not be able to get the conversation and compare it to the analogy used to better understand the analogy itself. Also to convert your analogy back to my analogy it would be as using a camera compare to the hubble telescope, same things but different science...

@Quik yah that pretty much sums it up... the only differers I get from my old camera and my new one is the noise and the HD lens ow and the MPix...

I have to take like ten pictures of what I want to take a picture of in order to get a good picture... I don't just always get that wonder shot, I take all the pictures and find the best one then I use the best one for the viewers.

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Quote: "@Inspire, Whats the best way to bring the color out of rocks, hahahaa?"


Just upping the blacks by istelf can add a nice professional quality to it. Joke rejected. Haha.

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Posted: 29th Jul 2010 06:15
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I was just messing around.... hahahaa d@m, but hay thanks!
That sounds like a good idea though.


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Then using a digi-camera compared to a digi-SLR, would be like having a welding mask with a dirty screen that you can only fit half your face into . You'll still be welding, but professional results might be out of the question.

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Posted: 29th Jul 2010 10:24
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this thread should be called Professional photography and analogies

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Posted: 29th Jul 2010 13:41 Edited at: 29th Jul 2010 13:50
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@Van B, no let me help you hahahaa it would be like having a auto dark lens compared to a regular welding sunglass lens...
one is auto the other is not(one also cost more). one takes a little more work to start a weld the other doesn't but the results are the same, you could see yourself welding. LOL and professional results would be based on the welder not the helmet being used.

Edit: also you have to use things that can compare and also work..
I never used a mask that could only fit half my face... and you always keep your lens clean... man I need some sleep..

Na but I love analogies, I cant remember things unless its a nick name, picture ect.. and using analogies helps me to see things better/clear.

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Posted: 29th Jul 2010 16:45
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Quote: "@BiggAdd hmmmm if I told you an analogy about a ball hitting the ground would you then jump the gun and compare that to the moon hitting the ground? I'm sure you know what an electron microscope dose and what an optical microscope dose, right?"


Again, how is that analogy working here? You are now comparing a trade with a ball hitting the ground?
Microscopes allow you to look at the very small, the more you pay the more detail you get (doesn't matter how they work).

Cameras allow you to capture images, the more you pay, the more detail and clarity you will get. You can't get the same result by using a disposable camera as you could with a professional camera.

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Quik
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Posted: 29th Jul 2010 17:12
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Cameras allow you to capture images, the more you pay, the more detail and clarity you will get. You can't get the same result by using a disposable camera as you could with a professional camera."


exactly what i said a while back, the motives, and the focus of the action shots (whats in the center and stuff) would not improve by getting a new camera, however, it might improve the quality, remove the noise, and possibly, if it is an camera with some sort of focus thing (blurrs everything except the motive) then we might get some more focus on the actual action of the picture, however, the picture itself would be the same, the motive and the action of the picture would be the same, only with better quality.

A camera is a tool, and what is a blacksmith without a hammer? nothing, what is an photographer without a camera? he is also nothing.
What is a great blacksmith with a rusty hammer? An equally great blacksmith who has to put extra effort into his work, what is an great photographer with a bad camera? An great photographer whose pictures doesnt do him justice.


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Posted: 29th Jul 2010 17:45 Edited at: 29th Jul 2010 17:46
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Just want to point out that if you're just getting into photography you don't *need* to go with an SLR, there are some non-SLRs that do take very nice pictures. My first camera was a $400 PowerShot S3 IS:



Only 6 MP, but it had a very nice lens and great zoom. There's also the $400 SX20 IS:



Similar, but with 12.1 MP and better zoom. Both are $150 cheaper than the cheapest SLR offered by Canon, and they offer fantastic quality for the price.

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Posted: 29th Jul 2010 23:19 Edited at: 29th Jul 2010 23:48
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@BiggAdd oookkkk thats my point(ones good the others no good)... see understand(this will be more simple for you LOL), can you put a camera any camera in your hand and take good pictures, because if you cant, then taking pictures is not for you and its for me. becasue I can and have been, all my pictures on any camera have come out well, there may have been some noise but the angle the expressions the simplicity all can be captured in any camera you just got to know how.

Also I'm not going to use the mirror telescope to take a picture of
a water fall, nor would I use a satellite to do the same thing(I could), but I would use a camera as a photographer, not as a spy or a star studding scientist. I know they all take pictures but there not the same tool for the job... think of a Cat and a Lien, I bet your dumb a$$ would hella consider having a Lien as a pet with the way your thinking...




Edit: would both of your microscopes get the SAME job done... I mean I could burp and also a volcano can explode.

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Posted: 30th Jul 2010 00:21 Edited at: 30th Jul 2010 00:29
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You possess all the hallmarks of a stupid person and your eagerness to make me out to be as idiotic as you are just shows me that you are aware of this fact.

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@Slayer

I'm not sure if you're spelling puts you in a position to call another person (especially a mod) an idiot.

You are on the thinnest of ice, judging by Biggadd's post.

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Posted: 30th Jul 2010 03:15 Edited at: 30th Jul 2010 03:25
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Slayer:

Are you six years old? If you were able to construct actual sentences then people might take you more seriously--I wouldn't but others might.

Quote: "I mean I could burp and also a volcano can explode."


...? Am I missing something?

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Posted: 30th Jul 2010 09:53
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i really really, REALLY dont understand a singel sentence of that slayer...


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Yup, Slayer needs some sort of a barrier between posting, and people being able to read that post... if only there was some way.

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Just to explain myself, what I tired to say some posts up, was:
A better camera doesen't make you a better photographer, anymroe than a better bass,doesen't make you any better bass player.

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@Metaldevil123

Well what if it's a really cheap bass that doesn't play the right notes?

However, by the same token, a great camera does not make you a great photographer. A cheap camera looks bad no matter who uses it, but a good camera only looks good in the hands of a good photographer.

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Well what if it's a really cheap bass that doesn't play the right notes?"


then you should buy a gitarr which works okay as a bass.


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Posted: 30th Jul 2010 17:30 Edited at: 30th Jul 2010 17:36
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Quote: "A better camera doesen't make you a better photographer"


Well, in a way it does. Getting a high-quality camera will teach you a lot of new things about taking photos that you won't get out of a point-and-shoot, no matter how much you try. Even if it doesn't actually make you a better photographer, it will greatly improve the quality of your pictures and give people the impression that you are a better photographer, which is what matters.

Bottom line is, if you're serious about photography, you need a high-quality camera. Period.

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Quote: "Bottom line is, if you're serious about photography, you need a high-quality camera. Period."


Oh yeah, and having a better camera helps you learn.

But what I mean is, if someone's skill is static (i.e. they cannot learn anything) then having a better camera will only reduce noise and blur. It will still look pretty bad.

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Quote: "But what I mean is, if someone's skill is static (i.e. they cannot learn anything) then having a better camera will only reduce noise and blur. It will still look pretty bad."


Agreed. You shouldn't get a better camera to make you a better photographer, you should get one to give you the potential to be a better photographer.

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Yes!

You see guys, 1/2 of the disagreements in the world are simply people with the same views miscommunicating.

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Quote: "You see guys, 1/2 of the disagreements in the world are simply people with the same views miscommunicating.
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Freaking peace monger.
kidding.

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My friend is a professional freelance photographer has a nikkon d80 he has much more than a camera he has a few Tripods, several lamps, tons of lenses and other photogeraphy stuff so its not justa a camera

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Quote: "Some trades allow you to use more basic tools and still do a proper job but some don't, especially the ones which require you to capture information (like photography)."


You don't need a good camera to take good pictures.

Here's a perfect example of what you could do with a few bucks:

http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2008/04/camera-obscura.html

So with photography, as with anything else, the power is in the artist, not in the material used.

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Well film is pretty much always better quality than cheap digital photography Also depends on what kind of film you use.

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seems everyone is ignoreing meeeh>.> ill try agan.

Quote: "My friend is a professional freelance photographer has a nikkon d80 he has much more than a camera he has a few Tripods, several lamps, tons of lenses and other photogeraphy stuff so its not justa a camera
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and if he was a bad photographer, and had all that stuff, would that somehow mean he is a good photographer or just a photographer with a lot of stuff?


Iam a 3d artist and iam pretty sure, i could pull out the same result with XSI mod tool, free great program, as i can with max. Only it would take slightly longer.
iam also sure i could pull out the same result with Gimp as i can with photoshop, only it might have taken.. i dunno... longer?

i think ill give up soon>.> It doesnt take a good camera to get a good picture, it takes a good photographer aswell. I can, take the same picture with 2 cameras, a bad one, and a high quality one. It would be the exactly same picture, only the high quality one would be sharper and have less noise and be less blurry, however, it would be the same picture.
A camera is a tool, not less not more.


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Posted: 1st Aug 2010 03:18 Edited at: 1st Aug 2010 03:24
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3ds max/ photoshop gimp is a bad analogy because its not the software in a camera its the hardware, the size of the sensor, manual control lenses flash etc. i mean you wouldnt be able to do any good 3d art with a cheap netbook, its gonna crash and freeze up after too many polygons. I agree you need skill to take good picture but you need a good camera as well because talent/skill is kinda waisted if you dont have good tool, sure you can do with bad tools but to be be more efficient and give yourself the extra edge you need to go above and beyond, you absolutley have to have good equipment. Like my friend with all that stuff, he takes good pictures and his pictures are just that much better because he has all the extra equipment. He can pretty much transform any scene he takes to just the right looks.

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2010 21:43 Edited at: 3rd Aug 2010 21:47
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Quote: "You don't need a good camera to take good pictures.

Here's a perfect example of what you could do with a few bucks:"


Yes, thank you! I love the pinhole camera shots... they look much more real to me than a high quality SLR. There's a resurgence of people taking photos and making them look like they were taken in the 70s with a polaroid... so cool.

My cousin is an actual professional photographer... she's booked every week with multiple weddings and various photoshoots:

http://www.anastasiachomlack.ca ---- I just love her work!




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wow that is realy good!

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Quote: "So with photography, as with anything else, the power is in the artist, not in the material used."


But you don't to use poor materials that will hinder your artistic ability. I would say those pinhole cameras are good cameras because they take good pictures.

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true

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Nah, those pinhole cameras take artistic pictures, and if all you need are those artistic pictures then a pinhole camera is for you. Are you gonna take your pinhole to a party and photograph friends?, are you taking it on holiday?. Most people need a more practical camera, what with it being 2010.

Don't get me wrong, the pinhole camera images look great, but it's closer to art than photography. Professional photographers will have lots of cameras, and use the one that best suits the job. You would probably have to be a professional to get good 'competitive' photographs from a pinhole camera - seeing as we aren't professionals, we need more advanced cameras to fill the skill void.

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I guess I can share a picture I've taken. For a high school I took pictures for a drama production (forgot what it was)... either way I just had this picture laying around in it that's pretty creepy I must admit.



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Quote: "Well what if it's a really cheap bass that doesn't play the right notes?"

Then you tune it :-P

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