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Phaelax
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For starters, yes I have a life outside of wow. I only recently started playing a few weeks ago on a private server using my gf's CDs.

I see lots of little jokes Blizzard has thrown into the game, but one in particular had me laughing, despite it being a little tasteless. So you can go into a tavern and buy a portable hole from Haris Pilton? That's just dirty!


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I recently quit WoW, because I didn't like how it was just a repetitive grind fest.

Got to level 80, started doing ICC raids and just got really bored with it all. They don't tend to add much in terms of variation to the system. You always have to grind something and you never complete the game.

Just gets really tedious. But if your gf is playing I can see the appeal. I had friends dotted across different Universities and we would usually converse on skype, but I can imagine it would be a lot more fun all playing in the same room.

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Posted: 6th Nov 2010 03:35 Edited at: 6th Nov 2010 03:36
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I remember i started playing it like 5 years ago. I got to level 60 and then i quit. Story of my WOW life. Interesting game, worse than drugs. Very addicting.

Oh and i may as well just throw in an interesting article that fits WOW alot http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html

One tip, never prioritize WOW before anything else.

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I keep quitting(if 2 times counts as keep quitting) WoW for 3 reasons;
A.) End-Game is not hard, not at all...
B.) Everyone seems to act as if it is hard, and are unable to follow simple mechanics, then they are usually abusive to other people to cover their own mistake.
C.) Poor community, noone to really socialize with as everyone is too caught up in the game. Too many people trying to fill their lifes insecurities into 1 game...

Smoke me a kipper, ill be back for breakfast.

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Posted: 6th Nov 2010 04:05 Edited at: 6th Nov 2010 04:07
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End game is fun, but I enjoy the RP'ing. The WoW RP servers are some of the best I've played, great community and it's always fun to create and act out story's with other people. Only reason I keep playing.

OH and once you get to around level 50, head to the Crator and do the 'Link' quests. Some of my favorite ones.

Imo old world ha always been my favorite, yes the expansions are fun and give you more to play, but there's something about vanilla that keeps drawing me back.


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I use to play then I quit cause' it cost too much (I don't have a job) and I didn't like the end game too much. Leveling up from 1 to 80 was very fun because even though it was the same idea over and over, I at least progressed quickly. But in the end if you want to do really well you have to do day long raids and junk, which is just no fun.

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Posted: 6th Nov 2010 09:16
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I tried it once a little over a year ago and absolutely hated it. Seriously, I just don't understand how anyone could possibly bear the unbelievable repetitiveness of it for more than two hours, let alone get addicted to it. All the quests are exactly the same: talk to some bland NPC, go kill a certain number of monsters, return to the quest giver for your paltry reward, and do it all over and over and over again. And there isn't much else to the game.

Warcraft 3 is currently my favorite RTS game ever (granted, I don't play my RTSes), but World of Warcraft is, to put it bluntly, boring.

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I am having a little paus from WoW, however I am waiting for Cataclysm.

Also for repetiveness, do you actually play with your friends, or do you simply grind and quest?
And if you read the questlogs you will notice that a lot of them actually has a story behind them (although most are just kill this and spank that).

The instances however, have a story behind them and therefore making them really interesting, and in highlevel (top lvl) you get raiding, which is in my opinion the most fun part, since you actually HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER, or you die. AND as a real WC fan, I must say they follow the storyline really well.

Low level IS LOW ON CONTENT, I AGREE ABOUT THAT. however it instantly get more exciting when playing with friends, and even more fun if using vent/skype.

and we havent started on the amazing PvP (which was better before wrath of the lich king, RiP AV thats all I say.)


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Posted: 6th Nov 2010 13:07 Edited at: 6th Nov 2010 13:09
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I'm an MMORPG nerd now, but not a WoW one, I play FFXI: Online, also a very good game IMO. My brother and sister on the other hand play WoW, they love it. Now, I make a lot of jokes about MMORPG players, knowing them not to be true, but I'm tasteful (and now because I play one, I direct them towards myself), some of my friends also play WoW, except one who quit after his level 80 account got hacked, he told his girlfriend he'd never play again and with Cataclysm coming out, he's kicking himself, especially as his girlfriend is holding him to his word.


However, these games are very addictive. I have stayed up in the early hours of the morning playing FFXI, not good. Last night I went to bed at 3:30 having to get up at 7am, and my brother went to bed at 4am after playing WoW. However, I don't think it distracts you from having a life, it just means, when you are playing, you might end up playing for a long period of time.

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I stay up all night trying to fix a bug in my code, i doubt people can now label programming as addictive...
Must... fix... memory... leak...

Smoke me a kipper, ill be back for breakfast.

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After my first 4 level 80s I got bored but i'm really excited about cataclysm.

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Posted: 6th Nov 2010 20:04 Edited at: 6th Nov 2010 20:15
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Quote: "After my first 4 level 80s I got bored but i'm really excited about cataclysm."

yes, LEVELING WILL BE FUN AGAIN!!!


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Quote: "I only recently started playing a few weeks ago on a private server using my gf's CDs."


arent private servers illegal?

I might be TOTALLY WRONG, but...


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Well, if hosting a private server is illegal, but joining one, I'm not sure. Because you are allowed to edit WoW as long as it doesn't affect gameplay.
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Quote: "Because you are allowed to edit WoW as long as it doesn't affect gameplay."


!!~!W_R_O_N_G!~!!


Joining a private server IS against blizzards rules, and is illegal (but they are only going to go after the hosters).

Editing the game data IS bannable, no matter what you change!

Small history lesson:
WoW was originally allowed to be editable, providing you didnt change models. But too many people did with the excuse that blizzard said that they could (it also changed their physics box, and allowed them to see flag carriers etc dead easy). So blizzard applied one rule, in which you cannot edit anything (it also makes it easier to track people editing anything).
Also, using mods that translate the text in WoW are also bannable, such as the one that allowed allys and horde to talk. If you use it, you will be banned.

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Posted: 7th Nov 2010 01:10
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Quote: "Editing the game data IS bannable, no matter what you change!"


except for editing the interface in terms of Addons then?


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Quote: "Poor community, noone to really socialize with as everyone is too caught up in the game"

well it is a game, not an online dating site. I knew people who used to get on everquest just to socialize. Socializing isn't really part of a game for me.

Quote: "Well, if hosting a private server is illegal, but joining one, I'm not sure. Because you are allowed to edit WoW as long as it doesn't affect gameplay."

Well, considering the game I have install is a legit copy and I in no way use any of Blizzards servers or services, I fail to see how changing anything for my own personal fun is wrong. Besides, all you have to do to play on a private server is change 1 line in a text file, that's it.

As for the people who create the servers themselves, that's a whole other issue. Mangos is one such project and Blizzard hasn't done anything to them. I think Blizzard is more concerned with those who are making money from their private servers.


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Imo, Blizzard are being nazis. After you pay them a stupid amount monthly, should you not then have the right to do what the hell you want to your game? (Ordinary games are OK with this, and you only have to pay ONCE).

Not cheats, obviously.
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Quote: "well it is a game, not an online dating site. I knew people who used to get on everquest just to socialize. Socializing isn't really part of a game for me."


if it is an game dependent on people, then socialising is part of the game.

Quote: "Imo, Blizzard are being nazis. After you pay them a stupid amount monthly, should you not then have the right to do what the hell you want to your game? (Ordinary games are OK with this, and you only have to pay ONCE)."


how does this make them nazis? O___o


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Quote: "how does this make them nazis? O___o
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Obviously Blizzard are hosting some military dictatorship within the game where you've given up your civil liberties in order to join and players of WoW are being fooled by a charismatic leader in order to become bigots and act on such bigotry by attempting to exterminate a social minority?

Now you can see why I play FFXI: Online.

Quote: "After you pay them a stupid amount monthly, should you not then have the right to do what the hell you want to your game?"


Depends, how does it affect other players? Blizzard's got to think of: what prevents them from losing money and what keep users from abusing the game and spoiling other people's enjoyment. Unfortunately, it comes at a sacrifice - if a person wishes to edit the game for legitimate reasons, they have to say no, as the logistics of preventing only people who abuse the system is pretty much impossible.

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I just thought of something. Theoreticly, what if you install a clean copy of WoW, don't log in. Make it connect to a private server, and before you log in edit it so it doesn't ask for the eula things ( not asks, don't edit it so it thinks you have agreed to it ) then you didn't agree to blizzards rules and are still using their game in a legit way, since as long as you don't agree to not changing the software you can change it.
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Posted: 7th Nov 2010 08:50 Edited at: 7th Nov 2010 08:51
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Its not about the client, its about the server.

If you are accessing a copy of Blizzard's database (which some of these private servers are) without paying, you are breaking the law because you are technically pirating the game.

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Isocadia:
There's a 'eula' agreement before you install the game.


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@josh: oh yeah, forgot about that one . Ahh well, it's not like you should go pirate WoW, Minecraft is WAY better
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I hear it's pretty fun with friends but I also hear that you have to grind to get anywhere in the game and any game that requires 'working' in place of having fun sucks.

Quote: "There's a 'eula' agreement before you install the game."

Besides that, bypassing the EULA doesn't mean you can do everything it says don't.
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I suppose then it's a question of whether or not you enjoy grinding. I enjoy doing it in a party, especially if you're having to think tactically or have a job to do within the party other than hitting 'attack'. I find no fun in grinding solo, so I don't. Some parties in an MMORPG are crap and boring, I normally find a way to quit said parties, it's usually those that are slow moving.

I don't think it's just true for WoW either, I have to grind to get anywhere too, but I don't feel like it's work, I probably would if I was grinding solo, as like I said, it's boring. But then these games were designed to make use of its social aspects, I suppose the argument is, if you want to solo then play a normal RPG.

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Why do people grip about grinding? Anyone else remember grinding Squall, Renoa and Zell till their level and GF's level was maxed, their stomachs full and their stats at 99?? ...and don't even get me started on farming Adamantine...


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Yes I do. Though of course, I suppose the difference is, I've grinded on FFXI: Online for over 200 hours and I'm a only a level 50 Dark Knight (but also, 10 Ninja, 30 Monk, 25 Dancer, 17 Scholar, 11 Warrior, 10 White Mage and 23 Summoner) However, I still loved grinding in my favourite RPGs, also Treasure Hunting, I spent hours on FFIX trying to get every single treasure in the game for Chocobo Heaven, but couldn't find 1 piece and only 1 piece, it frustrated me and still bugs me today, maybe I'll find a PS2 and start playing it again so I can get that last treasure.

Grinding is an RPG thing really, I think the only one I've not grinded for is Lost Odyssey, namely because the game made it difficult to grind and seemed to favour of keeping tough bosses tough. Though some games (like the Last Remnant) like bosses the level up with you.

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I do miss playing FFXI. I had a Black Mage which after trying nearly every class was still my favorite. The game played more like a single player with the in-game cut scenes. I remember trying to fish for the first time(after spending all my hard earned money on a pole and lure) and my first cast a fish ripped the lure off...


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in TBC and Vanilla wow was a long grind, because before every dungeon run you had to farm the required materials.

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Only got my Black Mage to level 3, it's supposed to have great nuking potential and have had Black Mages do an excellent job in parties. I favoured Dark Knight because I could use magic as well as deal strong melee attacks, plus Souleater was an attraction, but parties hate me using it, even though I subjob Dancer (which offers great healing capabilities without casting or using MP). But putting 'Last Resort' (sacrifice defense for attack), 'Souleater' (drain HP and add to your attacks) and 'Curing Waltz', really strains tanks and healers, but deals nice amounts of damage. But nobody ever lets me do it.

The job I hate at the moment is summoner, the avatar battles are for level 65+ and are difficult even then, but at least it's uncapped and you can bring friends, but you need level 6 reputation for certain places. There is a bite size version, where you can fight the avatars with their level restricted to 20, but it has to be solo'd only by your summoner class only with the ability to use carbuncle and your level is capped at level 20 too. I tried it a few times with Ramuh and Shiva, bloody difficult. Makes me want to cry. Apparently, Diabolos is nasty even for a group of level 85s, I'd hate to think what Odin and Alexander are like.

With fishing, I find it a bit tedious, but I use the fishing guides on FFXIcyclopedia to help out, I've found a good spot is the Oasis in Rabao with a composite rod and insect balls for bait. Stack of the fish you catch there sell 3-4k at the auction house.

I love having the cutscenes, I've been going through Chains of Promathia at the moment, even in an MMORPG there's still good storytelling.

However, if you do get back into it for some bizarre reason - I'm Saefinn on the Asura server, I've got a pearlsack for a decent linkshell, so I can give out a pearl for it.



Fatal Berserker, looking at your sig:

Quote: "MMORPG -- Many Men Online Role Playing as Girls"


Judging by all the naked cat girls I see, this is quite true. I've taken to referring them as 'he', nobody has corrected me so far. Fully clothed female characters on the other hand correct me when I call them dude. But that's what I call everybody, whether lass or lad.

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Quote: "Judging by all the naked cat girls I see, this is quite true. I've taken to referring them as 'he', nobody has corrected me so far."

It is actually correct to call someone a guy if their gender is unknown.
That includes he/him/his etc.

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I still have my copy, I wonder If I could renew my sub...not sure I remember the password. Though I'm curious if the game will be around much longer considering the new MMO just came out. I did enjoy playing the card game in the FFXI Launcher.


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SE deactivates your character completely after 3 months of not playing iirc, though your log in detail etc. still exist. The game's still quite active, okay, it's not as busy as it used to be and everybody's playing the Abyssea addons (released this year, the 3rd is coming out next month). FFXI I think still has a good run, FFXI players aren't enjoying FFXIV at the moment because it has too many problems and was released too early.

My linkshell is quite busy and there's always something non-Abyssea going on. (Abyssea is good if you're 75+)

I suppose as long as SE are making a profit, they'll keep the servers up, though they have merged some servers.

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Quote: "Judging by all the naked cat girls I see, this is quite true."


You should see the Image Share section on The Elder Scrolls Nexus. It's consists almost entirely of half naked large breast-ed cat women and elf women. It's terrible, practically pornographic. And I can guarantee you it's mostly guys posting those images.

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People seem obsessed. It seems people will have their fetishes, though I'm not sure why they make them so public, surely it's a private thing and isn't that kind of sharing for 4chan and not games websites?

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Quote: "It seems people will have their fetishes, though I'm not sure why they make them so public, "

Some are just more comfortable with themselves than others

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Aye, but I'm sure not everybody wants to visit a site and see pictures of people's sexual fantasies, unless of course they're on a website that exists for said purpose. I'm sure Lee Bamber isn't about to post half naked pictures of himself on the TGC gallery.

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did this thread just go from WoW to FF? XD


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I think it just turned into MMORPG discussion, probably my fault.

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I play WoW


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To be fair Wrath was horrible in terms of raiding.. Sure Ulduar was nice, but the rest was bland and somewhat lacking the actual thrill of the older ones. Well, and the fact everyone got handed free raid-tier gear was getting a wee bit silly, I understand there's casual players.. But I geared 2 alts up to ICC levels within a weekend, and I freshly leveled those to 80 the few days before, jumped into heroics and poof!

Now while I'm saying it was horrible, the social aspect of the game(mainly my guild) kept making me return, and I've been casualy raiding ICC lately after dropping my hardcore mentality.(I mean honestly.. After ICC Heroic there's just no fun to it anymore) But I'm afraid there's been nothing fun or good to do since, except for the latest patch to get my specs right, balance some things out and reforge some of my gear.. But that took me about a week. Currently waiting for Cataclysm though, as far as I gathered from the Beta it's a very interesting expansion.

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Quote: "To be fair Wrath was horrible in terms of raiding.. Sure Ulduar was nice, but the rest was bland and somewhat lacking the actual thrill of the older ones. Well, and the fact everyone got handed free raid-tier gear was getting a wee bit silly, I understand there's casual players.. But I geared 2 alts up to ICC levels within a weekend, and I freshly leveled those to 80 the few days before, jumped into heroics and poof!"


you got to be talking about the crappy T9 gear, not T10, since to get FULL T10, you gotta play weeks (even raiding) because one full week of ICC = around 50 -60 emblems, which is one piece, and one full week of heroics = 35 emblems, means you can get about one piece a week, something like this it was (might have been slighly more in ICC, anyhow) and then we have weeklys, 10 frosties and there is 2 weeklys, so 20, means if youre active, 2 pieces a week (now we're talking full ICC raids, doing all weeklys and dailys aswell)


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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 11:34 Edited at: 14th Nov 2010 11:34
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Quote: "you got to be talking about the crappy T9 gear, not T10, since to get FULL T10, you gotta play weeks (even raiding) because one full week of ICC = around 50 -60 emblems, which is one piece, and one full week of heroics = 35 emblems, means you can get about one piece a week, something like this it was (might have been slighly more in ICC, anyhow) and then we have weeklys, 10 frosties and there is 2 weeklys, so 20, means if youre active, 2 pieces a week (now we're talking full ICC raids, doing all weeklys and dailys aswell)"

Indeed, but you only need Full T9 to get into 25 mans without any trouble at all. And to be fair, after healing, DPSing and Tanking on various characters until the Lich King I can say there's no effort involved in gathering gear lately, everyone is so insanely overpowered everything dies before you even get into the fight properly, I mean the only thing that keeps us from face rolling our way through is the frost-tomb mechanic on Sindragosa when we take new guildies along, and perhaps Defile on LK. Everything else is a major lootfest and free emblems.

And to be fair, half the time I don't even bother with Tier pieces, unless the Set Bonus appears viable, non-tier items tend to have better itemization for your needs anyways, and with the new Reforging that itemization can be adapted even further.. Not to mention the lack of Gem slots on Tier gear. Not worth the hassle to farm full Tiers really.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 21:48
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Quote: "Indeed, but you only need Full T9 to get into 25 mans without any trouble at all"


unless they're stupid they wont let you in
All the pugs i've been itno is "have achiev or u aint comin" AND they look on GS aswell (usually for TOTC it is 4k+ (= T9 + a bit of raiding gear) and for ICC it is 5k+ /pretty much raiding gear from first wing - second wing ICC or like halv T10\

Quote: "And to be fair, after healing, DPSing and Tanking on various characters until the Lich King I can say there's no effort involved in gathering gear lately, everyone is so insanely overpowered everything dies before you even get into the fight properly"


is this so weird? this is to let all the hardcore raiders get payoff and to get gear for cataclysm, when ICC first were out, man it was hard. It really was, you cant argue with that, since it was weeks until the first people downed lich king after thelichking patch, and thats a lot for an MMO.

Quote: "And to be fair, half the time I don't even bother with Tier pieces, unless the Set Bonus appears viable, non-tier items tend to have better itemization for your needs anyways"


Improved T10 is better than ICC10 normal and 25 normal, but not better than ICC 10 and 25 heroic, which in my opinion is just fine.


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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 22:17
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Quote: "All the pugs i've been itno is "have achiev or u aint comin" AND they look on GS aswell (usually for TOTC it is 4k+ (= T9 + a bit of raiding gear) and for ICC it is 5k+ /pretty much raiding gear from first wing - second wing ICC or like halv T10\"

I'm afraid simply having ~232-245 gear from heroics is ~5.3k gearscore. Which can be farmed in under a day.

Quote: "is this so weird? this is to let all the hardcore raiders get payoff and to get gear for cataclysm, when ICC first were out, man it was hard. It really was, you cant argue with that, since it was weeks until the first people downed lich king after thelichking patch, and thats a lot for an MMO."

No, just no. I'll be replacing my Shadowmourne before level 83 hits, so it's not any good for gathering gear for usage in the next expansion(In the beta right now, had a green replace it pure-statwise on level 82, arguably the proc might make it viable still up to level 84 or so). And to be fair, ICC was easy as piss for most of it, except for on the PTR where some hardmodes were switched out with the normal modes..(*cough* Saurfang *cough*) On my realm(Alonsus) pugs have been able to make it through the first quarter the first few days ICC was even released, the rest was cleared quite quickly after those wings were opened up as well.. Just the Lich King proved some difficulty, as he was never on the PTR thus nobody knew what this shiny Defile was.. Oh the joy.

Quote: "Improved T10 is better than ICC10 normal and 25 normal, but not better than ICC 10 and 25 heroic, which in my opinion is just fine."

Nope, I still found myself preferring 25 man normal loot gear over Sanctified Tier 10 quite often. The extra gem slot and sometimes better itemization with the rest of my gear is arguable however.. Since this opinion is based on a more or less situational occurrence.

I suppose most of my points really depend on your realm of choice, and whether or not you're into hardcore raiding or not though.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 22:25
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Quote: "~232-245 gear from heroics is ~5.3k gearscore"

how is this possible considering i only had about 245+ (utterly few were 245) when i stopped, and i had 5,6? and on my warr, who had 234-245 barely made it to 5k?

Quote: "Nope, I still found myself preferring 25 man normal loot gear over Sanctified Tier 10 quite often"


that depends, the bonuses for balance druids are exteremely nice.

Quote: "No, just no. I'll be replacing my Shadowmourne before level 83 hits, so it's not any good for gathering gear for usage in the next expansion(In the beta right now, had a green replace it pure-statwise on level 82, arguably the proc might make it viable still up to level 84 or so). And to be fair, ICC was easy as piss for most of it, except for on the PTR where some hardmodes were switched out with the normal modes..(*cough* Saurfang *cough*) On my realm(Alonsus) pugs have been able to make it through the first quarter the first few days ICC was even released, the rest was cleared quite quickly after those wings were opened up as well.. Just the Lich King proved some difficulty, as he was never on the PTR thus nobody knew what this shiny Defile was.. Oh the joy."


consider it a chance for everyone to kill lich king, which i find very fair.

Quote: "I suppose most of my points really depend on your realm of choice, and whether or not you're into hardcore raiding or not though."


true true! However i was never into hardcore, i was more eager to progress as a guild and HAVE FUN AND A GOOD LAUGHTER while i did ^^


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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 22:30 Edited at: 14th Nov 2010 22:31
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Quote: "since to get FULL T10, you gotta play weeks"


You kidding me mate?

Full T10 does not take that long at all if you are in a good guild. And when i say good guild, the players dont even need to be decent.
You just gota do icc25hc.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2010 23:13
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Quote: "Full T10 does not take that long at all if you are in a good guild. And when i say good guild, the players dont even need to be decent.
You just gota do icc25hc."


"the players dont even need to be decent" I aint going to argue with that since i know you will go all "aaagh people, gear not fail tactics aaaaagh"
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however since i have no experience form icc25hc and barely in 25normal i dont have much to say


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Quote: "however since i have no experience form icc25hc and barely in 25normal i dont have much to say"

Trust me, when you play wow for a full night on one boss, when all you gota do is like strafe when deadly boss mods says 'MOVE FROM THE F**** FIRE!!!!' And you seem to the be only person doing it and everyone else is dying.

You realize that peoples inability to read text on their screen can whipe a whole party. Maybe its because im more used to old school games where you had to do things perfectly to succeed...

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 07:55 Edited at: 15th Nov 2010 07:59
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Quote: "how is this possible considering i only had about 245+ (utterly few were 245) when i stopped, and i had 5,6? and on my warr, who had 234-245 barely made it to 5k?"

After reaching ~5k the number stops increasing with great increments. And I wasn't talking 5p Tier9, but 3p + 245 helmet/shoulders and the possible PvP cloak/necklace since the Conquest ones are weaker then PvP items.

Quote: "that depends, the bonuses for balance druids are exteremely nice."

Agreed, but Frost Death Knights for example, the 4P set bonus would've been nice.. If my Frost Death Knight would actually USE all the runes available, rather then working off a priority based attack rotation.

Quote: "consider it a chance for everyone to kill lich king, which i find very fair."

Their chance has been around ever since we got a 30% buff to EVERYTHING, if you can't get past him now there's something awfully wrong with your raid setup and the people in it. Hell, we've 10 manned the entire raid on a night with ToC alts.

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true true! However i was never into hardcore, i was more eager to progress as a guild and HAVE FUN AND A GOOD LAUGHTER while i did ^^"

You'd be surprised by the amount of jokes we toss about on Ventrilo during raid nights, Hardcore raiding is not getting yelled at and being a complete arse, it's just more often.. longer and there's a more serious look on progression around.

Quote: "Trust me, when you play wow for a full night on one boss, when all you gota do is like strafe when deadly boss mods says 'MOVE FROM THE F**** FIRE!!!!' And you seem to the be only person doing it and everyone else is dying.

You realize that peoples inability to read text on their screen can whipe a whole party. Maybe its because im more used to old school games where you had to do things perfectly to succeed..."

And trust me when I say there's little room for error on 25man heroic Lich King. And that's with the 30% buff, still never made it yet. *sigh*

"Watch where you're standing, walk away! Spread out a little.. good.. AH CRAP VAL'KYRS!! Nuke! Good, *stands in shadow trap* ... darn"

But I do agree normal modes are a bit.. Move a little to the left and you'll be fine. I do however love the mechanics on the Sindragosa fight, and Putricide is semi-interesting.

EDIT : Also know that gear means bullcrap at this stage in the game. We've had people around in Ulduar gear which still performed just fine in raids. Knowing your class and what to do is far more important then having some fancy average item level.

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