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That manager paid for every single piece of candy. He didnt have one piece and sell clones for full price each.
You act like software is a physical item, its not, so your logic fails. It's none of your business if other people pirate anyway, and another thing like I said, people that pirate dont have the money to pay for it, least in my case. I make 6 bucks an hour, what do you want me to do? I eat and pay rent and my money is gone, I never go out to eat, or out drinking, no nothing.
So why dont you try not having money ever and see how many pieces of software you buy, or how many you pirate.

I really hope that people stop pirating software.
I am pouring hours and hours into my game engine, and if I catch someone pirating the finished product, I will do my best to stop it and get them in trouble.

you pretty much said yourself why piracing is so wrong, and then u go and try to justify it even though it is so wrong?
I definitly see your point though, i dont make much money either, since iam a student i get about 100euro each month, and thats pretty much being a student. Game ARE TOO EXPESIVE, same with music and movies. but that doesnt make it right to snatch a copy of it does it? Sure, if you would go to steal an CD, you would take that CD wich costed them what, 1$? so yes, by copying the CD you only take those 60$ and leaving them that 1$. Does that make it much better? no, because you are still taking those 60$ with a smile on your face.

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no, simply NO. 2-3 days of entertainment for 60$ is all but cheap.

No i didn't, because while the manager paid for every piece of candy. Software companies don't pay for every piece of software that goes out the door. Usually its being downloaded from someone else's computer, so the computer loses no money. They may not make money but they didn't actually lose a phsyical product. While a CD or DVD in the store has packaging and a CD and when you steal that it cost the store and compaany money for the shipping, shlevling, packaging, and what not. And I dont steal from stores.

But when there is no physical loss, especially when they wouldnt get a sale anyways because I'm broke, its not a loss at all. Because if pirating didn't exist I wouldnt have that software so they would still be out the money anyways.

I dont want anyone to get it twisted and think that I pirate TGC software or any other independant software.

When a company earns my respect I don't usurp that, microsoft and autodesk haven't earned my respect with the extreme price tags.


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This only goes to show my point that people dont want to pay 60 or 70 dollars for a game. Period. And when you drop your prices your bottom line SHOOTS up.

It's the same principle as when I used to sell weed.

Flip the product really fast, production cost go down as you have more bulk options, and while you might not make as much PER unit, you make more PER LOT.

Dodga, if piracy is only taking a copy and is therefore ok, why don't companies provide a download link for people who don't want to pay?

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I find it hard to believe that your income equals exactly your costs. Even if it does, as someone already said, entertainment isn't a right. Nor is it necessary for life. And even if it was necessary, not all entertainment costs money. You're not in such danger that you have no choice but to pirate a music CD so that you will survive.

Because companies are out to make money and therefore would never give a copy out for free, revealing their true greed.
They make millions and millions and millions of dollars, and they're rotten, soul sucking, money grubbing people, and the only reason they even give out demo's is because it would look tacky not to, and best believe if I had a million dollar idea floating around and they happened to get their hands on it before I got a copyright, best believe they wouldn't be paying me damages. They'd be laughing their asses off to the bank.
Why do you think you can't find any actual PRODUCTION cost for software like 3dsmax or photoshop? I'll tell you why, because it's DIRT cheap to make software, especially when you factor in that they will be multitudes of millions of dollars.

As long as CEO's of entertainment companies are living in mansions and riding yachts, I will continue to pirate. Because these people with all their money could solve hunger issues in africa, could cure AIDS, could do so much good for so many people, yet it squanders in a bank, doing good for noone except for themselves.

I don't like to cuss, but F*CK Microsoft and all of these huge software companies.

Bill gates is recently on film at a conference talking about how vaccines are a great way to control the population.

These people have gotten to big for their britches, and have their hands in things that no software developers should have their hands in.

They can take all their money and go to hell for all I care.

And as far as my bills go, I make exactly $1000 a month, rent is 400, cable is 50, phone is 50, electricity is about 113, food every week is at least $50, plus water, cat food, transportation and other things, so you do the math. I haven't bought an entertainment product for a LONG time.

And I dont pirate alot either actually, my pirating is pretty minimal. I could care less about actually PLAYING video games, I love to make them but hate playing them. The only entertainment I really consume is some TV, which I am pretty against so I barely watch that, and I listen to music. Everything else is Hulu, youtube, and creative interest like 3d modeling, programming, singing, and drawing..

the place where i work actually spreads pirated software but only something cheap like windows and aniviruses. anything software that costs under $1000 isnt considered a crime here. Photoshop or 3dsmax on the other hand will give me a conditional sentence of 1 year but i dont have to go to jail for that anyway but still a criminal record isnt a nice thing to have on oyour record. my company encorages spreading pirated software because essentially the pirated software pays half of my paycheck. nothing i can do about it. but anything like like photoshop or anything that can get me into trouble with the law we avoid distributing. also if we deal with companies (unlike private housecalls) we only distribute licenced soft because companies get inspected and if they find any unlicenced software there in trouble and we will be in trouble. One of my coworkers told me a story where he used to work at some company which had about $100000 worth of pirated software. they keep them strictly on removable scsi HDDs (with handles) on their server. When the inspection comes by they have a procedure. They have a truck with a matress parked right at the window of the server room. if the inspection comes up, they quicly pull all harddrives out of the server and trow em out the window in the back of the truck. and while the inspection is busy downstairs, the send someone outside who makes sure the harddrives land saftley on the matress in the back of the truck, covers them up and drives away. when theyre all clear the truck comes back and they put in the harddrives and continue working. Software piracy became very rampant that i even started seeing social advertizements on billboards saying stuff like unlicenced software harms your company or something

You act as if it's your right to software. No, it's your privilege to access the software if you legally purchase it. You don't require the software to live, therefore even if they charge $10,000 for it, you don't have a implicit right to pirate it.



Then tell me how Call of Duty made $650 million in 5 days? That's from people shelling out at least $59.95. Your argument is lame. If you can't afford it, get a better job. Your "cloning" argument is the same reason why many people get INTO the industry. The fact that I can spend 1000 hours to make a game, then duplicate it as many times as I want for no extra cost is my incentive. Just because it's EASY to hit the copy-paste buttons doesn't mean it didn't take thousands of hours to create said product. You are just an ignorant anti-capitalistic whiner in my eyes.



Are you communist or something? I'm seriously wondering, because a company out to make a profit does NOT MAKE THEM GREEDY. This is not North Korea we're talking about here. If you don't like the idea of for-profit business, move to Cuba.





And yet you didn't heed my warning. We will not tolerate bragging pirates on this site. Not only that, but swearing with asterisks is a banning offense. See you in 2 weeks.

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