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Phaelax
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in mice that is. Scientists are worried about cancer if used in humans. Still, it's neat!

http://www.gizmag.com/telomerase-aging-harvard-reverse-process-telomeres/17107/

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I initially pronounced that website "Jizz Mag", out loud, to the dismay of my missus.

Back on topic, this is pretty cool though. I think I should open up the question.
If this was safe for humans and nearing the end of your life cycle you got asked if you wanted to extend your life by 10-20 years, would you?

I'd like to say that i'd decline, that the mistakes I had made, although regrettable, were just part of the whole life thing. That I've seen and done everything that I wanted to do and i don't need those extra 10 years.

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Posted: 2nd Dec 2010 02:59 Edited at: 2nd Dec 2010 03:00
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Quote: "you got asked "

not me. i'd take the 10-20 without hessitation. nothing to do with taking my licks re: mistakes, etc. those ARE part of life, indeed. and, i'd look forward to making a few more, if given the chance.

need 'em? no, not at all. but, if i'm enjoying life at the time and had a chance to continue that, i'd say 'yes, please. and, thank you'

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Using that treatment on a human would cause the probability of getting cancer to rise to about 100%, part of the reason this isn't very "big" news.

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If I was 90yrs old and they could get me back to 25yrs old but I'd developed terminal cancer in about a year, I'd do it anyway.

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hmmm, can't help but think about the real possibilities of the Zombie Apocalypse ...


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Quote: "hmmm, can't help but think about the real possibilities of the Zombie Apocalypse ..."

this.

and i'd rather have my brain transplanted into a robot body than get reverse-aging, because then i would have super strength and multiple forms of vision including infra-red

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I saw this on the news or in a paper, cant remember which, they could test it on volunteers who have untreatable problems where they know they have a bare minimal time left anyway, im sure there would be plenty of volunteers out there.

If you where 80, told you will die and only have about 2 weeks left to live, would you like to be 25 for them 2 weeks, Who would say no.

Edit: Who here was it that had the signiture "I will live forever or die trying", Im sure he will volunteer,

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That sounds like the kind of signature I'd have, at least I say it a lot, but I can't remember if I actually used it as a sig.

However, if I was told I had 2 weeks live, I wouldn't want to be 25 for those two weeks, so I'd say no. Why? Because I'm 21, it'd kind of defeat the point of reversed aging.

Suppose I could be 12 again and with my adult brain, I can ace spelling bees.

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Posted: 2nd Dec 2010 18:20 Edited at: 2nd Dec 2010 18:21
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Quote: "Suppose I could be 12 again and with my adult brain, I can ace spelling bees."

I know plenty of adults who still can't do that.


Chrome just asked me if I wanted to translate this page from Italian. Looks like english to me...

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Ethically dubious.....

If it worked in humans it really would only be available to the rich creating two tier humanity the normals at the bottom and then the long lived at the top.

I could imagine that eventually it would be a world where the normal people became nothing better than slaves to the super class who due to their lifespan would end up owning everything and controling resources.

Obviously if you live longer you would need use more resources food, oil, luxury goods etc, less for everyone else, guess who would get the short end of the stick!
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Quote: "Chrome just asked me if I wanted to translate this page from Italian. Looks like english to me..."


You're not alone, been doing that to me too lol

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Quote: "Who here was it that had the signiture "I will live forever or die trying", Im sure he will volunteer"

Yeah, where are you? time to live up to your signature

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This would lead to over-population as well, thus using more resources on earth, big problem there.

... Or we could stop making babies.

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Quote: "Or we could stop making babies."

this.
haha just kiddin.

We could be like china, 2 kid policy :3

I have noticed that one of my friends mom and dad made a community.

14 kids!!!!

Sad thing is, its not really a minority anymore :/
Thats our problem.

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I believe it's Venge who has that signature. I've always liked it.

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My ears are burning.

I actually dropped that sig several weeks ago, in an act of boredom. I haven't thought of anything witty enough to replace it.
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It's 1 kid policy...


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Quote: "It's 1 kid policy..."

And it was pretty much scrapped in most areas due to people killing any children that were girls so they could get boys...

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Quote: "And it was pretty much scrapped in most areas due to people killing any children that were girls so they could get boys..."

Thats Sadistic.

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You can have 2 children. Just pay a fine. My aunt did that.


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Just make it 1.4 kid limit.

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Quote: "And it was pretty much scrapped in most areas due to people killing any children that were girls so they could get boys..."


Nooo they didn't scrap it in most areas The 1 child policy is very much alive in China.

The penalty of having another child isn't just a fine, but you're also looked down upon by others, and you'll have to pay for their schooling and other things that are typically paid for by the state.


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Quote: "Nooo they didn't scrap it in most areas The 1 child policy is very much alive in China."

In rural areas they did scrap it because of what i said. Farmers would kill children if they happened to be girls because they couldnt get a strong son to work on the fields... (Im not joking, and by landmass most of china is rural).

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I'm hoping they sort this stuff out before it's too late for me! Don't think it would mean an unsolvable population problem. Presumably people, knowing they were going to live a longer time, could leave off reproducing until they were on average older. Also, you'd have a lot of super wise people around, and people could stay in education for longer. With future technology, how many people the planet can sustain will be really high! Maybe at some point they'll need to introduce a Carousel system, but not for a while.
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holy crap. that is soo awesome. i am 21 right now, do you think this will be done by the time i am 60 if i dont die before that?

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Quote: "I'm hoping they sort this stuff out before it's too late for me! Don't think it would mean an unsolvable population problem. Presumably people, knowing they were going to live a longer time, could leave off reproducing until they were on average older. Also, you'd have a lot of super wise people around, and people could stay in education for longer. With future technology, how many people the planet can sustain will be really high! Maybe at some point they'll need to introduce a Carousel system, but not for a while."


considering the world is basicly already overly populated...


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terraform Mars and relocate all of the population of china there. give them the right tools and they will industrialise the whiole planet in about 30 years. problem solved and an added bonus of additional natural resourses found on mars

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haha xD well it is said that in 50 years we can live on mars, but not terraform it =) (we can build shelter aso) so terraforming is way forth in technology


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This earth can sustain a population of 10 billion life-forms before it's considered overpopulated. I know a snail told me

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Quote: "terraform Mars and relocate all of the population of china there. give them the right tools and they will industrialise the whiole planet in about 30 years. problem solved and an added bonus of additional natural resourses found on mars"

What natural resources on Mars?

Quote: "I'm hoping they sort this stuff out before it's too late for me! Don't think it would mean an unsolvable population problem. Presumably people, knowing they were going to live a longer time, could leave off reproducing until they were on average older. Also, you'd have a lot of super wise people around, and people could stay in education for longer. With future technology, how many people the planet can sustain will be really high! Maybe at some point they'll need to introduce a Carousel system, but not for a while. "


I agree that overpopulation isn't *bound* to follow as a result of immortality, but surely you would need to regulate reproduction. I mean, there are people out there who have 14 kids and show no signs of stopping. And I don't have a great deal of faith in the idea that people, given an infinite lifespan would wait: many people are both impatient and stupid.

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The reason we don't even try to colonize other planets is the time it would take to get there, I don't know about you but if they built a massive space ship and asked me to take it to mars and I was immortal, I'd do it.

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Quote: "The reason we don't even try to colonize other planets is the time it would take to get there, I don't know about you but if they built a massive space ship and asked me to take it to mars and I was immortal, I'd do it"


Isn't the current reckoning by nasa for mars about 5 to 6 months each way? Thats not too bad.

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Quote: "Isn't the current reckoning by nasa for mars about 5 to 6 months each way? Thats not too bad."


The size of the ship that would go to Mars would have to be massive, or they would need multiple ships carrying all the cargo for the Mars base. Imagine getting to Mars with a handful of supplies and having to wait 5-6 months for more to arrive. You would probably starve or run out of air before you die of old age.

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half a year of isolation sounds pretty bad to me.

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Go with like 50 peoplez.


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for a mars base, to be covering us from the constant dangers of the sun, all we need is rock (source: Discovery channel) to build a primitive shelter from the waves of something that the sun sends out every 2 hours or so.(also meaning we need to go back inside every 2 hours)


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Quote: " run out of air before you die of old age."


I imagine there is technology already in existence to convert CO2 into O2, because we already have space stations and submarines etc.

My main point was more distant planets, I know there are thousands of minor planets in the asteroid belt, maybe they're inhabitable?

Edit: There's only one planet in there lol, oh well...

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Quote: "I imagine there is technology already in existence to convert CO2 into O2"

it's called algae i don't know if they have algae farms in the space station but that's what i would do.

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Quote: "In rural areas they did scrap it because of what i said."


There was no "scrapping". The way you originally phrased it sounded like they scrapped it in the entire country, when in fact it was never a requirement in some rural areas, and it wasn't ever scrapped. Other rural areas still have the strict policy, but they can apply to have another child if their first child is a female. It also depends on their ethnic background (Han vs. non-Han), and other factors that vary from city to city.

I understand that most of China isn't susceptible to the one child policy (about 2/3rds), and apparently it's only meant for one generation.


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@Darth Kiwi
Quote: "What natural resources on Mars?"

grab a shoveland start digging till you find something

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But if you dig and find oil, well then you aren't gonna survive much longer.


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Quote: "The penalty of having another child isn't just a fine, but you're also looked down upon by others, and you'll have to pay for their schooling and other things that are typically paid for by the state."


Not only that, but all benefits paid to them for the first child have to be repiad. Also, the killing of a baby girl was not a strictly rural happenings, many, most of the main cities had the same 'plauge' (for no better word) where baby girls were killed stright after birth. Theres a very famous picture of a busy street in the middle of a city, with a dead baby lying at the curb with a few hundred passer'bys ignoring it as nothing. Its not a pretty picture so im definatly not posting it.

Also for Co2-> O, i thought theres was a stone that absorbed Co2 and with a process could convert it to oxygen?


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I think Earth to Mars takes about the same time as sailing from England to the US used to, back when the natives still had their land...

I think it'll be possible, just a huge stretch, like it was back then...

One problem is that we'd need to be careful with the...uhh.."Martians." They'd probably want independence, or the right to their own government, and who knows where that'll end. There's no way of getting security forces over there if a crisis does break out, (I'm sure a few years of being on their lonesome will do little to improve their cooperation with the people who put them out there.)

But I don't imagine that'd be a problem until they have Martian born citizens, etc.

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LOL if we finally go to mars this is what'd happen:
We would find a valuable substance there which only the Martians have the skill to get. We would trade beer and guns for it.
We would make a colony there.
Britain would make another colony.
Theirs would destroy and take ours.
We would have to follow their laws.
Their colony would start to get pissed off.
They would make a Declaration of Independence.
They would call themselves the UPM(United Provinces of Mars).


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Supposing you have an overpopulation problem, sending people to Mars isn't really going to help. A lot of energy is required to send someone to Mars!

I guess you could use renewable energy to make rocket fuel from air and water or something, or use a space elevator, but if you are able to do that, supporting a huge population on Earth isn't a big deal.

Other world colonies, when they happen, will likely take a small number of colonists who will then breed. It won't make a significant impact on the Earth's population!

One thing you could do, if overpopulation is a problem on Earth, is to let Earth people have their kids born on Mars, either by sending embryos, or transmitting genetic codes. This would allow for more genetic diversity.

However, if you're able to support a big population on Mars, presumably living in robot manufactured domes, underground or whatever, what's stopping you from doing this on Earth?
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I think it would be great to colonize mars because it could be done so much more efficiently than the current system on Earth works, we have houses above ground and pipes below, but it would be so much more efficient if there were blocks of housing linked closely together, with interconnecting electricity, gas and water systems throughout.

I think it would be easier to build a ship in space, that could hold say... 1000 people ( pretty big, I know :p ) and just send people up in shuttles.

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Quote: "However, if you're able to support a big population on Mars, presumably living in robot manufactured domes, underground or whatever, what's stopping you from doing this on Earth?"


Zoning laws, etc. There's alot of places considered too valuable on Earth to build on either because of historical, natural or religious significance. Mars is a blank canvas. We'd have no places considered sacred, so we'd be quite capable of building all over it with any Martian monks burning themselves on the construction sites...

Also there's no ecosystem to damage and no species to accidentally make extinct. It's almost perfect bar the survivability and reachability problems.

Also if Earth gets hit by a comet or meteor, it'd be nice to have a backup.

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Quote: "I think it would be great to colonize mars because it could be done so much more efficiently than the current system on Earth works, we have houses above ground and pipes below, but it would be so much more efficient if there were blocks of housing linked closely together, with interconnecting electricity, gas and water systems throughout."

Welcome to the world of tomorrow!...



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Quote: "If it worked in humans it really would only be available to the rich creating two tier humanity the normals at the bottom and then the long lived at the top.

I could imagine that eventually it would be a world where the normal people became nothing better than slaves to the super class who due to their lifespan would end up owning everything and controling resources.

Obviously if you live longer you would need use more resources food, oil, luxury goods etc, less for everyone else, guess who would get the short end of the stick! "

You just described the world as it is today.


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