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crispex
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No, I'm not talking about religion, let's keep that out of this.

What do you think the meaning of life is? It's a fairly common question, but I did a bit of deep thinking today on the subway.

I think that the point of life is to be loyal to your family and friends, and try to help as many possible, and maybe instead of rotting in the ground, there will be something more when you die, there has to be something more, otherwise it's all pointless.

Just my thoughts. Discuss.

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I don't believe there is anything after you die, I mean, why would there be? I don't think it would be pointless if there wasn't.

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Everything is pointless. In a universe this vast I don't possibly think that there is a POINT to a single individuals life. When you die, just nothing. Like there was nothing before we were born. Souls without a body.
Btw, you can't make a thread like this without religious views. Its really quite impossible. So yes. Incoming. (prophecy)

Also, if there were an eternal 'heaven' why the hell would you wanna go there? Eternal boredom for the rest of eternity? I don't think so.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't call myself an atheist, I believe in creation. But I also believe in science. To me they aren't two different things. I look up at the stars and I ask myself how can their NOT be a creator. Be he a greezy sweaty man that made and sustained a big bang. Genesis and the big bang are pretty much the same thing. Even if evolution exists...didn't 'god' create it?

Just my 2 cents.

Life is a very strange and weird thing. But I doubt there is actually any point to it.

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Stop.

Life is an O'nus, Sanction Eudaimonia.

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Rampage is right. You can't "keep religion out of this" because for many (myself included), taking out religion is taking out the meaning of life.

Wish we could discuss this more in depth here.
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My answer to this question is a very well educated: "I dunno".

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@Neuro:

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The meaning of life, to me, is to obtain as many Pokemon as possible. Gotta catch 'em all, right?




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The meaning of life is to live. That's really it. Everything else is up to the individual.

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i tried comprehending life once, the thing is, its impossible for the human brain to comprehend meaning of life. Its just like its impossible for human being to comprehend "nothingness" thats actually the reason why people want to believe there is something out there after we die, because its easier than nothingness. Looking at it from the pov of what we know so far, the from the biological standpoint, after our brain ceses to function, we no longer exist as santient beings therefore with a dead brain we cant comprehend anything so i am guessing is what really happens to us when we die (from the pov of our comprehention) is nothingness because we no longer exist. Now Even i have troble just thinking about it because frankly we dont know ourselves well enough to understand these things. We dont really know how our brain operates on the level of what makes us human, all we know is the mechanical part of our brain, neurons, impulses, how brain controls our bodies. So before we can comprehend more complex things, about the life and the world surrounding us we have to at least ully understand ourselves and how we work and what makes us human. Because frankly, thats the biggest mystery in the world. Even with all the technology we have now, all the CPUs in the world right now will not add up to even 1% of the capability of our brain. I am still baffled, at how humans managed to survive and evolve. Even the human ancestors, who were not nearly as intellegent as we are, even before we knew how to make fire and make basic tools, how did we manage to survive, among all the other preditors who are in every way better than human ancestors.

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The Meaning of Life is a Monty Python movie. Literally.

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The meaning of life for me, is to feel. Everything is always about feeling, that's what makes us human and that's what it all comes down to.

I want tons of money to buy things to make me feel happy.
I want to listen to this song to make me feel happy.
I want to visit my girlfriend because she makes me feel happy.

It's pointless it all essence though. If it's love, anger, power, sadness, hate, envy, greed, joy it will all be gone at one moment and you just wait for the next moment for those feeling to arise again. I know I sound like a sensitive emo kid, but honestly, other than experiencing emotions, life is pointless. It's the sad truth, but I figure I only have one life to live and I'm gonna enjoy every moment of it.

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Quote: "The meaning of life, to me, is to obtain as many Pokemon as possible. Gotta catch 'em all, right?"


You're thinking of STD's.


It is difficult to talk about this one without religion coming up, as a non-religious person it's a lot easier for me to answer the question, I am sure there are those whose answer will be 'God' or something along those lines. As long as we're not putting people's faith up for discussion, then it's possible mods might let it slide, but it's risky.

I think the meaning of life is whatever you give it. I find making people happy and being happy is mine. That sounds soppy, but if somebody else is down in the dumps, I feel like crap and I love seeing people happy...even if my writing is full of doom and I do horrible things to my characters.

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@Seppuku Arts: I respect you.

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I don't believe there is meaning to life, or a point. I think we're here because of evolutionary events that caused us to be so and for no other reason. For there to be a 'meaning' or a 'point' the only explanations can come through religion.

We need to believe there is a point or purpose, because all our feelings and instincts drive us to achieve goals (sex, eating, status, pleasure, love), and it's hard to fathom that those exist without a higher meaning. But really, they are all just psychological and physical mechanisms that have evolved through evolution.

I think the main purpose/goal of an individual human, as programmed by nature, is to procreate. Organisms that were the most successful at this basic instinct are the creatures that surround us today. So our primary goal is definitely to have lots of sex.

But if you look for a higher meaning, as humans always have, you have to turn to religion. IMO, there cannot be a higher purpose, as sad as that sounds, and we should stop trying to find one. Just accept we are just organisms which are too intelligent for our own good, and giving into the pursuit of happiness, pleasure and enjoyment, and accepting that we a nano-blink in the scheme of the universe, is the only way to live.

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I believe there is no other purpose in life than to live.. sort of, however i feel i have to believe there is something after this life, a second life or being reborn or whatever, because that is what scares me with death: that there is nothing afterwards.


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Quote: "My answer to this question is a very well educated: "I dunno"."

let me rephrase that, actually. My answer to the question is "I don't know", on the other hand, I conjecture that the question is so ill-defined that there is no possible answer. It's certain that the question is so ill-defined that no present-day evidence or reasoning can prove it either way.

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Touchy subject that is very borderline here. For now, discussion can continue as long as you simply state your opinion. If ANYONE begins telling someone else why their opinion isn't right, then this becomes DEBATE, which is banned. The thread will be locked and offenders will be slapped or banned.

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I started to write what I think, but realised it would just be a paraphrase of Fallout's comments.

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Quote: "What do you think the meaning of life is?"


"The meaning of life" is pretty much the very thing that religion tries to answer. It is the belief in a greater purpose. Without religion, I don't think a peron could answer this with any other response than "NOTHING".

To me, the meaning of life is LOVE. That is what everything is all about.

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I'll find out when i get there, till then i'm doing everything i possible want and could do in the time i have. If there is God/Gods waiting for me, any problems i'll take up with them so as far as i'm concerned it's pointless to assume anything and i'd rather just enjoy myself


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Quote: "If ANYONE begins telling someone else why their opinion isn't right, then this becomes DEBATE, which is banned."


Debate is banned? What?



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Quote: "Debate is banned? What?"


As the AUP states:
Quote: "Due to continuous problems the following subjects are also banned from discussion on all of our forums:

•3.7 Debate about religious belief or any tangent of religion
•3.8 Debate about any form of pro or anti government sentiments, irrespective of which government
•3.9 Debate about any form of creationist / evolutionary theories
•3.10 Debate about abortion"


Is that a little more clear for you?

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Quote: "Is that a little more clear for you?"


Not at all. I don't think this discussion necessarily falls under any of those categories.



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Quote: "Not at all. I don't think this discussion necessarily falls under any of those categories."


Well, to be honest, it really doesn't matter what you think. It matters what I and the other mods think. Post away. If you break the AUP (in our opinion, not yours) you will be dealt with. The question can certainly be answered without breaking the AUP or this thread wouldn't be allowed to continue. It is, however, a touchy subject that could easily tempt people to cross the line. Hence the warning.

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That's why the mods are letting it slide until someone jumps in and specifically says "Benjamin, you are WRONG! Jedi is a true religion, and the power of the force IS INFINITE, you silly naive boy!".

Then we all get smacked and sent to the corner.

Edit: Ron was too fast. That was a response to Benj.

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Ron, never seen u around before, new mod or am i simply not paying attention? x) hi anyway :3


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life can be seen as an art or story

for example look at some famous world travellers, try plotting the lines of their movement around the surface of the globe... what do you get... a spaghetti ball, which brings about food, which then brings about currency which then brings about necessity which then in turn brings about the need to obtain/achieve which then leads to events which then lead to results and then someone figures out the answer of the meaning of life.

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Quote: "Ron, never seen u around before, new mod or am i simply not paying attention? x) hi anyway :3"


He's a complete noob. Never made anything of note. Just rubbish like EZRotate, Enhance Animations, Character Builder etc. Waste of space.

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Quik, you've just not been paying attention.


Quote: "Not at all. I don't think this discussion necessarily falls under any of those categories."


Not yet, but it can very, very easily lead onto Religious debate, which is banned. There are going to be religious responses, like Ron's, so somebody could decide they disagree and make a response, leading the discourse into debate over Ron's religious views, rather than the thread's intended purpose, which stating one's opinion on the meaning of life. SO if a person says, "Life's purpose is to convert every godless heathen to 'x' religion", then every godless person (like me) will have to bite their tongue. Or if, like Fallout, a person talks about evolution, the creationists out there will have to bite their tongue (as creation/evolution debate is also banned).

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Quote: "Ron, never seen u around before, new mod or am i simply not paying attention? x) hi anyway :3"


I used to go by the name WOLF. I think I became a mod in 2006-2007, but I can't remember exactly. You might know me by one of the things that Fallout mentioned. To be fair though, I've been avoiding posting on the forums lately because I was trying to finish another product. It didn't help. Haha.
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@Sep - For the record, I am agnostic. I spend my life on the scientific fence.

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Chill. I was just curious to know whether you really meant all forms of debate or just of topics described by the AUP, since I rarely see a debate thread that doesn't get locked.

As for the meaning of life, there is none. Kill yourselves now.



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RON - you made EZ ROTATE?
(not intending to go off topic)

so yeah anybody read my last post yet?

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IMO, we'll never know the meaning of life, there are too many variables.

Think, we can never fully think like another human being. Each human has roughly the same "memory allocation", say. So to think and feel every memory another human knows, requires us to complete empty all stored memory and accept theirs, hence we will never achieve true empathy.

Due to this, if we can't fully understand the thoughts of one, single human, how can we comprehend the infinity of life, even on this planet alone.

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Quote: "Chill. I was just curious to know whether you really meant all forms of debate or just of topics described by the AUP, since I rarely see a debate thread that doesn't get locked."


I'm pretty sure you knew what I meant, but I'll be happy to spell it out better. Debate on a banned subject will get locked immediately. Other debates get locked when they deteriorate into people flaming each other. So, you are right. Most debate threads DO end up getting locked, because sooner or later they unravel into arguing and flaming instead of debate.

Quote: "RON - you made EZ ROTATE?"

Yes.

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RON - Saweet im just beginning to look at it not implemented yet but will toy with it soon

(not going off topic ^^)

I gave it a good thought... I think the meaning of life is to grow and also to love...

to grow I mean well face it... everything grows... trees grass mountains even... humans too... so guess thats a pretty cool way to look at it.

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Quote: "@Sep - For the record, I am agnostic. I spend my life on the scientific fence."


No worries, I'm just referencing myself with the 'godlessness' stuff - I'm what people call a soft atheist or an agnostic atheist.

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Life = life LALALALAlA

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Personally, I think the meaning of life is just something that people argue over. Nobody is either right or wrong, it's just a matter of opinion. I don't know.

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Quote: "What do you think the meaning of life is?"


Hmmm, I shall think about it... Return to me in 7.5 billion years.

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I honestly think that we humans have such a huge ego, it's out of this world.

Because I believe in science, and science has proven enough that evolution exists. I don't believe in a soul, because that would mean that every animal has a soul. And if every soul lives for eternity in heaven, than that must be one hell of a crowded place. I think the meaning of life is simply to be alive. There is no point at live ( as darwin said ) everything is purely coincidal, and we humans for some reason accuired a little more brain than an ape. Still it doesn't suddenly give us a soul, and apes not ( as the bible suggests ).

So I'd say, live simply for the sake of living, and nothing else.
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It honestly depends on what you mean by "meaning" of it? If you mean purpose, it's different for every individual, religious or not. For some, it is to live pure lives and help others see that their religion is right, while for others, it is love, sadism, or whatever. For me, there are multiple purposes. I believe I should live the life I was taught to live, to love, to bring others to my God, and to create offspring that will continue to strengthen and repopulate the world. Once I have these children, my purpose will be slightly altered, as it will be up to me to bring up my children well and not let them fall to the corruption of the world (i.e. gangs, racism, and that stupid lowered pants thing). The meaning will always change according to the situation, the beliefs of the individual, and the personality of the individual.

There is a darkness in each of us, one that creates us, consumes us, haunts us. This darkness will devour the living, burn the civil way of living we know today. Only we...can aid it in its quest!
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Does there have to be a meaning? Sure, happiness is great and everything, but then everyone dies, so have we really achieved anything? Perhaps the meaning of life is to become contented just by accepting that we may never know what the meaning of life is... if that made any sense.

I've been through my life thus far trying to be as shallow as possible.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." That's a bit like saying Hey bullies! So yeah, this words thing isn't working, but I'll tell you what will
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I believe the meaning of life, to me, is to be as good a person as I can be. Help out the less fortunate, and try to be like Jesus was. I believe we have a soul and I will feel really good if I ever achieve something to the betterment of society.


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I believe that our actions can help take our species forward, or perhaps backwards if you live just for yourself.

So, you might think we are insignificant, but you would be surprised how many people you can influence throughout your life.

Live well my friends.

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Quote: "for many (myself included), taking out religion is taking out the meaning of life"
I agree with this

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Quote: "...and try to be like Jesus was."


I couldn't agree with that more

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I haven't read any other posts yet but I too have thought about this a lot, I went through a period where it was ALL I thought about all day long!
I have found an answer that I believe is as good as anyone will ever find, it's not incredible, it doesn't answer any questions, but the more I think about it, the more it seems right. It is only one word. The meaning of life is time. Ponder that for a while .

On an unrelated but similar note, the chicken and the egg problem (which came first?) is totally stupid! I only realised recently that it has an obvious answer: the chicken must have come first because if the egg was first the chick inside would die without the warmth of a chicken to incubate it. Also, the egg is a reproductive cell of a chicken, it can't reproduce by itself, so it could only exist if a chicken had existed before to produce it.


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I don't define the meaning of life just on consciousness and what I think about. Plenty of life isn't conscious. Plants can't be nice to their family and friends. Life came into existence simply because the universe gave it the conditions where it could. Life continues to exist for the same reason it's got this far: by reproducing.

Summary:
Life exists because it can.
The meaning of living organisms, in it's simplest terms, is to reproduce.


Sound cynical? It's not. It doesn't mean we're not special. As Carl Sagan put it, "we are a way for the universe to know itself". In fact, when you look at quantum mechanics, no simple particle can be said to even exist until it's observed. We do hold a special place in the universe, but we are still part of it, and we are still a product of it, and we will die and disappear.

"everyone forgets a semi-colon sometimes." - Phaelax
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