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Pincho Paxton
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My poor Alien in that case is having a Bloody Nightmare!
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Darksyde: very good point. I saw some poor guy on Riply's that didn't have a face! Just this big hole in his head

If you really feel like taking the time to achieve absolutely nothing, then go ahead and try to imagine what someone like that would "see" when in fact they don't.

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heh, kinda strange isn't it? What you just said kinda enhances the point i was trying to emphasize...These ppl that have no eyes can comprehend something that none of us with eyes(that aren't blind) can, and that is the absense of sight. None of us can comprehend what that would be like, but they can...so that kinda raises the question, is their more stuff that we cant comprehend, that is in fact true? just something i find interesting.


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What about absense of smell? I know a person who simply has no sense of smell...

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yup, and the same could be said about any of the senses heh...Also another thing comes to mind. I know that some ppl would say "well even though they are blind couldn't they still imagine color without knowing it?" ...which is a good point, but then if that is the case, then why cant we comprehend a color that is not at all made up of the colors of the spectrum that we have concieved with our eyes? like a whole new primary color. How do we know that there is not a whole different light source out there that our eyes are just unable to recieve, kinda like how dogs can hear higher frequencies then our ears can. I think that could possibly be part of the reason that cameras can pick up stuff, such as "ghosts" or what have you, that we can't see with our naked eyes.


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*sigh* it started as philosophy and came to ghosts... strange, no?

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We only know what we know, are are brain powerful enough to create a completely new idea? A color, a number, if we are so smart why can't we come up with new ones? Just a food for thought.


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huh? when did it come to be about ghosts? lol i was just using that as an example

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Pincho Paxton
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Here is one of my thoughts...........
We think we are so cleaver, but actually as individuals we aren't very cleaver at all. Would you even be able to speak without someone teaching you? Einstein was a genius, and people like him are cleaver, then they pass the information onto the drones...us!

Here is my example scenario...

Imagine yourself being born into a Caveman family! You have the same brain as you have now, nothing is different except your environment. I'll bet that you do not even have the ability to invent the wheel. You would probably go unnoticed in that community. No one would know that you are any different to them.

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but if einstein was born into a caveman family im sure he wudnt have been the genius he was



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Ahh but I reckon he would have invented the wheel, or made a significant impact on that time. He would have made the small step that takes us one step nearer to becoming an intelligent race. That's what I mean.

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But my main point is that we a still cavemen! We think we are much better than them, but we're not.

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TBH i dnt think that wheel was invented by one guy, i think it was an evolutionary thing (i dnt mean the wheel grew from plants or sumthin stoopid ) what i mean is that overtime ppl began to move things on logs or sumthin similar (rollers) and this was taught to the offspring or observed by others and gradually refined over time. i really cant see the sudden birth of one ecentric caveman wiv whispy white hair, and him suddenly goin out and invented sumthin without knowledge to base this on. lol, i duno if u know wot i mean.. but i do... kinda, i keep confusing myself



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Let's say a caveman rolled a log down a hill. He then needs to assert that idea towards making a wheel. It's still an inventive mind that puts 2 and 2 together. Einstein had to take a lot of already discovered principles to come to his own conclusions. It was still a small step really. Anyway you need to put a wheel on a box before it is useful, that can't really happen just from evolution. Well OK maybe it can, but the wheel was just an example.

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wot do u reckon was the first thing they used the wheel for? lol, my moneys on a unicycle LOL



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Sigh, why do you people bother with "Morals"

JK, I havent even read the entire post. Just the first one. I have no idea what your talking about now... Something to do with smell. Can i get a recap or somethin...

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wash the lint, mow the lint, walk the lint. lintloaf! blehaaarrg.

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Quote: "wash the lint, mow the lint, walk the lint. lintloaf! blehaaarrg."



lol

I don't know what you're talking about indi, but it sounds a heck of a lot more entertaining than philosophy...

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indi
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more R&S philosphy bro

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blind people know what they see.. or nto see.. but we can never ever know what that's like until we are blind ourselves, and blind people will never know what color, the world, or anyone around them look like, they will never know what shape a pie is, they will never know anything that we think is just everyday life. yet if they went blind later in their life, they tend to forget such things, as they know they'll never see it again, and they will have no reminders, such as we do everyday....
YAY! my post has turned red!!! WOO! the last red post i had was when my computer broke

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Well if we go blind ourselves we will see black of course, because we will have a memory of black. The only people that don't know what black is, is people that were born blind.

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Every night, I go blind...
Dont worry, I wake up the next day.

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This is philosophy? Alright, so its the philosophy of what blind people see... I guess...

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nah the whole blind thing is an example of comprehension and incomprehension, which ties into the philosophy we are discussing.

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Pincho Paxton
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@PoHa!84
Philosophy is the pursuit of the ultimate wisdom, or knowledge, the ultimate reality. Space is supposed to be a void, but space is black, so therefore there is something in space that has colour. If a blind person says that black is something that they cannot understand then the blackness of space may have substance, this could explain Dark Matter. This is one direction that the discussion could go. So now do you see the importance of the discussion?

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Black is an absence of light, thus an absences of color. I don't understand what you mean in your refernce to Dark Matter, I know what it is (what is creating the vast amount of sourseless garvity, now thought to be mostly dead stars), but your post doesn't make sence.


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'Philosophy is the pursuit of the ultimate wisdom, or knowledge, the ultimate reality.'

Not at all.

'PHILOSOPHY examination of basic concepts: the branch of knowledge or academic study devoted to the systematic examination of basic concepts such as truth, existence, reality, causality, and freedom'


Furthermore, I don't see how this discussion is important at all. 85% of it is ridiculous 'philisophical' riddles and paradoxes being tossed around like volleyballs. I can spout out lines like 'Master your rage or your rage will become your master' a mile a minute and it wouldn't make this thread and more 'important'.

On top of that, the absense of sight-- a sense, an idea-- has nothing to do with the atmoic structure of the matter that takes up space uninhabited by star systems. That made me laugh however.

(I don't need a compass to see which way the wind is shining.)

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this post has seriously confused me

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good, its supposed to confuse you....
Darkness is the absence of light, which is what blind people must see, darkness, or.. no light/color

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@Mouse

Quote: "'Philosophy is the pursuit of the ultimate wisdom, or knowledge, the ultimate reality.'

Not at all.
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Read the dictionary, those are the exact words written in it.

Quote: "On top of that, the absense of sight-- a sense, an idea-- has nothing to do with the atmoic structure of the matter that takes up space uninhabited by star systems. That made me laugh however.
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You are not following the conversation.. Laughing is your way to express how great you feel about your own intelligence.

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Quote: "Darkness is the absence of light, which is what blind people must see, darkness, or.. no light/color
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Blind people have no understanding of light. The absence of light requires an understanding that we are accustomed to.

Some of you are struggling with this concept. I can understand that, but to try to say the subject is ridiculous is really mirroring your inability to understand it. It also shows an inability to cope with arguments without some minor irritation, that leads you into an aggressive approach towards the argument.

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'Read the dictionary, those are the exact words written in it.'

If so, it's a bad dictionary. The post in my thread quoted my own.


'Laughing is your way to express how great you feel about your own intelligence.'

And I suppose that presuming you know other people better than they know themselves is you expressing how great you feel about your own?

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Quote: "this post has seriously confused me"

Confused you and given me a headache

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Yes, good old oxy kills us, but that's not all; our bodies are not meant to last forever. Personally I think that trying to live healthy to live longer is good, but genetically altering bodies or introducing new cells is a rather disgusting method of preventing something that's meant to happen.

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Immortality is not meant to happen, it's as simple as that. Aging and death are crucial part of society, religion, and every other aspect of our lives. There are plenty of good books out there that explain it far better than I can-- find and read some of them.

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Cloning I fully agree with. Funny how those things turn out

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Cloning will most likley be a waste of time and needs to be done just to show how pointless it is for the vast majourity of society.

Anyway even with out ageing there is no way you would live forever, eventually you would be killed by something.

I can't say our bodies are ment to do anything, and by taking advantages of the current technoligical advancements you do to extend your life is really no different to someone in the future taking tablets or injections that add a few years onto there life.
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Yeah, it isn't any different. And they are both wrong .

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don't u think it'd be freaky tto have a clone of yourself? and why not just birth a baby instead of spending tons of money and time on cloning something when you can just birth one naturally without costs, and a 9month wait?
so.. i disagree on cloning, i'm with you divide by zero!@ plus.. i like to divide by zero...

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I don't support making clones of people, or using clones to attain immortality. But I think that cloning of pets should be allowed.

Or maybe I'm just being hypocritical. But I know that given the choise of loosing my dog or having him cloned, I'd take the clone.

And it's not like 8 year old dog = 8 year old clone; it's basically just a way of making a very close replica as a baby. If it's a cat it'll have different fur patterns and everything.

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i like cats

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My god, if we lived for 300 years could you think of the over population? Death is important, we are already living past our time, they don't have old folks homes in nature.


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ya, if we lived over 300 years the earth would over populate, then i bet scientists would ether build underground civilizations, space civilizations, or the CIA tell everyone about the secret land of the llamma people, half llama, half human, *twitch* and we'd all live there and addapt and evolve *twitch* to be part of the llama people. *twitch* *shiver*
either that or they might just somehow populate other planets... after we discovered the secret of travel fast then the speed of light... *twitch* then we'd over populate all the planet and mad chaos would turn up.. and we would end up killing the llama people *twitch*

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More governments would start limiting birth is what would happen. And I can think of very little more inhumane than that .

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I fail to see why people contenue to think that if you move as fast as light, time somehow slows down. That way to 3 densional thinking, remember that more sienctists believe that there are 10 demensions now.


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I don't see how time slows down either, but apparently supersonic jets have some form of time slowdown, that manifests itself as a problem with their clocks. Don't understand it myself.

Who said that a cloned cat would have a different fur pattern? I thought that it would be the same fur pattern.

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'Hey imagine...designer babies! choose their hair colour, eye colour, personality traits like intelligence, strength, have that special gene so they never get fat and so on....'

Disgusting... just disgusting. No offense, but humanist futures like that really make me sick.

Yes, everyone in the world will look perfect, live perfect, have exactly two children, have a white, two-story house in a perfectly clean neighborhood, go to work and never make a mistake, and live until exactly 85.

Repulsive.

So tell me, what about when a new gene implant comes out that makes all the other kids seem stupid? Junior's out of date. Tell me, what do you do with a kid-- say, 2 or 3 years old-- that's suddenly an antique? In a society where everything lives to serve the system, what's the obvious answer to that question?

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That future is highly doubtful, the moral magority wouldn't let it get past the planning stage. It'ld be the only decent thing they'ld ever do.

Ever thing that the problem with pilots watches might have something to do with the G-Force exerted when traveling twice the speed of sound?


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Einsteins special theory of relativity has been verified a few times to say the least. Especially the fact that light *always* travels at the same speed irrespective of the reference frame. Also the fact that moving clocks go slower and that moving objects appear shorter. Its all very confusing but the maths behind the equations are actually extremely simple, if you could do basic trig that is all you need.

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Helix: If god had a computer then where'd he get the material if nothing existed? Who's to say HE wasn't made up? Who's to say HE wasn't some extra memory on someone's hard drive??? If we made AI, how would they feel about not being "real"?
Endquote.

Why should we build an AI that was sore about not being real? Computers only do what we tell them to. If they do anything more they are alive.
Why would god go anywhere to get material to make things?

If men were machines would they break down as much?
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If oxygen makes us age, then how come plants age?

I know they get some in their "breathing" but unlike us, they don't circulate it round their whole system.

Why don't we learn to photosythesize?
Because god would just reboot, that's why.

If men were machines would they break down as much?
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