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Thraxas
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Posted: 18th Apr 2011 06:19
Quote: "I'm personally sick of all these games that you pay €70 for and only last a few hours"


You know you can play them again and again, right?

I heard and I don't know how true this is as I can't remember the source: that the mp side of Portal 2 will be longer than the whole of portal and that the SP aspect will be longer than the mp...

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Posted: 18th Apr 2011 06:40
Quote: "You know you can play them again and again, right?"


What's the point if it's just the same experience every time?



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Posted: 18th Apr 2011 08:09
Quote: "What's the point if it's just the same experience every time?
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Well by the same token, why read a book more than once or watch a movie more than once?

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Posted: 18th Apr 2011 08:20
Quote: "Well by the same token, why read a book more than once or watch a movie more than once?"


Books are generally longer, and films are much cheaper. It sounds like you have nothing against gamers getting less for more these days.



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No one is forcing you to buy games. But obviously most people are willing to pay that much for good games (just not me).

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Posted: 18th Apr 2011 10:18 Edited at: 18th Apr 2011 10:21
Quote: "What's the point if it's just the same experience every time?"
Quote: "Books are generally longer, and films are much cheaper."


Regardless of price the experience is the same. EVERY TIME. I have favourite books which I have read numerous, the experience is never different. I have many, many movies which I have watched numerous times. The experience doesn't change.

But this is not so with games. It seems to me that many games these days change constantly. I can play a multiplayer game on the same map 1000 times and never have the same experience twice.

I can run an instance in an MMO with the same people and not have the same experience twice.

Granted with a puzzle game things are slightly different as once you have solved the puzzle, you have solved it. Although I have seen with some recent puzzle games that multiple solutions are available for puzzles. So I can have a different experience each time.

Quote: " It sounds like you have nothing against gamers getting less for more these days."


I don't feel like I am getting less. I can have as much fun replaying a game as I did the first time I played it. Or maybe more if I wast to try something different. Or I can put arbitrary things in place to heighten my experience, and sometimes the devs put those in for you as achievements. You don't have to do them but the option is there should you choose to. In an FPS maybe I'll see how far I can get only using melee weapons. Maybe in an RPG I'll switch on permadeath so every encounter is tense and has to be thought out. I think games today give us so many options with what we can do that it doesn't matter if it only takes 5 hours to complete the campaign.

I say go back and play those old games without the rose tinted glasses. They weren't as good as you remember.

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Posted: 18th Apr 2011 10:38
Portal 1 took me like 6 hours the first time, but as soon as you know how to do it, it takes ~45 mins.

Can't wait for Portal 2, did you know that it has over 13000 lines of speech in it?

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Posted: 18th Apr 2011 12:13 Edited at: 18th Apr 2011 12:16
I think what Ben's getting at is value for money. For a film you might pay £7.99 for 2hours of entertainment, a book, you might be paying £9.99 for 10 hours of entertainment, a video game - £39.99 for 4 hours experience (in some cases), e.g. I paid £39.99 for Bulletstorm and completed it in less than a day - it was fun, but it lacked replay-ability and the online content wasn't that great. So, it wasn't worth the £39.99, so I traded it in. It just seems like an expensive experience, it's why I normally wait for games like that to go down in price. Though JRPGs, which usually last 40+ hours I will buy on release, because I can get hours and hours out of them. Same with stuff like Fallout 3 (which I also bought on release).

Now I understand the cost behind the game industry, but as a consumer, I value a product on the experience. An intense 4 hours might be great, but not something I'll pay £39.99 for.

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Do you really buy movies based on their runtime or books based on their size?

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My portal experience lasted well over 40 hours, because I downloaded a ton of additional maps and stuff. Fun times

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Quote: "My portal experience lasted well over 40 hours, because I downloaded a ton of additional maps and stuff. Fun times
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Modding and maps are the main reason I usually buy games for PC. This time, I bought for Xbox, because my computer's graphics card broke. I feel like I'll be missing out on a lot of stuff later, though...

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Posted: 18th Apr 2011 17:02 Edited at: 18th Apr 2011 17:04
Quote: "Regardless of price the experience is the same. EVERY TIME. I have favourite books which I have read numerous, the experience is never different. I have many, many movies which I have watched numerous times. The experience doesn't change.

But this is not so with games. It seems to me that many games these days change constantly. I can play a multiplayer game on the same map 1000 times and never have the same experience twice.

I can run an instance in an MMO with the same people and not have the same experience twice. "


You're completely missing the point. I'm talking about the average length of a game (thus single player), which seems to be much shorter these days. I recently played the original Deus Ex, and found that the gameplay has much more depth than certain modern games (ie. any recent COD) but also the game is much, much longer. And of course, unlike many modern games when you play the game again the experience will be different because there are always alternate ways of progressing through the game and different ways of playing.

Of course if you include multiplayer into the equation everything changes, but I'm not talking about multiplayer.



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I think that this article is relevant to the current topic.

Quote: "Regardless of price the experience is the same. EVERY TIME. I have favourite books which I have read numerous, the experience is never different. I have many, many movies which I have watched numerous times. The experience doesn't change"


What Benjamin means is that books and movies are less expensive, so only spending a small amount of money on them makes them worth their value. If you spend £40 on a game, and you only get to enjoy it for a few hours, it isn't worth spending the money on.

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Quote: "I find this hard to believe."

lol my first time through it too. The reason I know its 3 hours is cause i message my bro on FB right before i started and then messaged him again 3 hours and 4 mins later taking in credits and starting up. This wasnt too long ago, I just figured out bout portal 1 bout a month ago so im somewhat a newbie but played the heck out of it. So im excited to play P2

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In a way I agree with the statement relating to the overpriced games.

I respect what people do, but most of the time it's the publisher deciding the price. I remember when games used to be $20 (PlayStation 1), and they had MUCH more to offer. It seems like games these days only appeal to people who are easily won over by graphics and cheap cut scenes. There are no original stories anymore, there is nothing that brings anything to the table that hasn't been done before. I don't think it's really worth paying $60 for a game that only offers a 4 hour single player and little to no active multiplayer.

Look at Call of Duty. Call of Duty is the PERFECT example of how an unoriginal game can make millions. Call of Duty USED To be good, until it actually gained a deep player base. Honestly, once Call of Duty was ported to consoles, that was the end of it being good. I myself am a console gamer, but I realize that a lot of dumbing down was made so that console people could play on the limited hardware. Look at Call of Duty 4. A lot of good multiplayer standards came from it, but you can't find that anymore. The online deathmatch has been done to death. There is no way to even enjoy it anymore because it's the same game with different skins. Look at things like Battlefield, they manage to add new things that make things interesting every time. Let's face it, Call of Duty has remained the same for the last 6 years.

Anyway, people prefer style over substance. When you pay for games like Call of Duty you're paying for a brand name of generic multiplayer. You're not paying for anything mind-bending or anything of that nature.

I just hope Portal 2 doesn't try to lower its standards to appeal to others. Valve has always been one of my favorite development companies and I respect their level design and what they do, I just hope they keep their integrity to develop quality games.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2011 00:39
Quote: " I'm talking about the average length of a game (thus single player), which seems to be much shorter these days."


I disagree, I think older games were harder, which made you think they were longer. They probably had less content in total.

I also think that many companies are focusing on multiplayer which is where they expect you to spend most of your time and so the single player aspect is just put in, because not everyone wants to play online.

It also depends on the type of game you play. Obviously RPG games are much longer although, if you choose to skip side quests you can plough through them in a couple of hours, unless it's a JRPG where you probably need to grind for hours just to beat each boss.

Quote: "If you spend £40 on a game, and you only get to enjoy it for a few hours, it isn't worth spending the money on."
Quote: "I paid £39.99 for Bulletstorm and completed it in less than a day"


Well here in Australia EB has a 7 day return policy. You can get a full refund for any reason if you return your purchase in 7 days. I have taken advantage of this numerous times when completing a game or not enjoying a game I thought I would. Seeing as Australia seems to be hugely backward with regards to video games compared to the rest of the world why do you not take advantage of things like this?

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Quote: "I disagree, I think older games were harder, which made you think they were longer"

Agreed and disagreed. I don't think it really has anything to do with games being more difficult, I think simply it just has to do with Multi-Player. Games without MP obviously allow much much more detail to be put in the single player. RPGs for example as you stated, easily 40 hours of gameplay on just one play through.

I do agree with Benjamin to an extent, some games seem ridiculously short. However, for the most part, I think you are getting plenty of entertainment for the price spent.
And portal 1 is the perfect example... My first play through, 2 hours. Over two years of owning it, I've probably played maybe 5 [edit] correction, 7 hours. And that's having beaten it, I believe 4 times now. I got it for free so it was obviously worth it, but definitely would not have paid $60 for it. (Though was it ever priced at $60? I don't know, but it's definitely not worth being priced that high.)

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The original Portal was not priced at $60, ever. It was originally included as a bonus in the Orange Box, which Valve said that they didn't even think it'd be that popular. It wasn't until after the success that they started to include it stand-alone for $20, later dropping to $10 after they gave it away for free for around a week.

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Quote: "they gave it away for free for around a week."

That's when I picked it up

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The game is unlocked on Steam!

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Mmm yuss. 50,000 + people playing it at the moment and counting.

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Games are certainly much shorter, but mostly due to the amount of time it takes to produce modern visuals. I like to spend £40 on a game that I'll play for at least 40 hours. And there are still games being made that offer that sort of game life, Fallout3/NV for example, Test Drive Unlimited 2 has a lot of hours of gameplay. These days I abstain from buying COD games, I'm looking forward to Battlefield3 more than anything the COD stables have to offer.

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Can people list some of these games from yesteryear which are longer than the games made today? Try as I might when I look back at my collection of games I don't see it. The only games I have which could be considered long are RPGs, so I'd like to know what games I missed out on which last longer than games today.

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Final Fantasy 13. Mmm. Yes. RPG...

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Quote: "Can people list some of these games from yesteryear which are longer than the games made today?"


I think Elite was pretty long...

I've pre-ordered P2 for XBox, comes out on 22nd Here in UK, I'm literally crossing off the hours until I can get my grubby little fingers on it.

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Quote: "Can people list some of these games from yesteryear which are longer than the games made today?"


-StarCraft 1 took pretty long to get through, and considering the amount of fun I had with multiplayer (I still play it today), it was WELL worth it's money.

-Spyro 1 took me >10 hours to get through, not sure about it's followers (just started playing )

-The Ratchet series took quite a while.

-Banjo Kazooie? Donkey Kong? Mario 64? Kirby 64?

That's all I can think of for now, I'm sure there's plenty more.

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Quote: "Banjo Kazooie? Donkey Kong? Mario 64? Kirby 64?"


Haven't played it since I was 8, and don't really remember it being that tough back then.

Despite that, it was a freakin' awesome game.

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A good example is RE4 vs RE5. I completed RE5 in about 8 hours or something like that, but RE4 lasts for a good 40 hours, and then there is the desire to play through it again.

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... Must ... Play... Portal...

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I cant wait for this game, I'm gonna be getting the PS3 version as I'm interested in trying out the cross platform play, it does mean that I have to wait until the 21st however

... also I am right in thinking that linking one's PSN account with their steam account gives them the pc version of portal 2 as well? I remember reading that a while back, but haven't seen much mention of it in reviews.

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I'm in the same boat as you Mazz, waiting until the 21st to get the game (to get the PS3 version), although it was despatched yesterday, so hoping it arrives tomorrow.

As for the free PC version of the game, I've read that you get a code in the box, to redeem the free copy.

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Quote: "... also I am right in thinking that linking one's PSN account with their steam account gives them the pc version of portal 2 as well? I remember reading that a while back, but haven't seen much mention of it in reviews.
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Yes I can confirm this. You have to run portal on your ps3 first. Link the accounts and then use a code in your game case to unlock the steam version.

One of the features I was excited to try out was the promised, load your saves from PS3 on your PC and vice versa using the steam cloud system, but it seems that this has now been scrapped: Lombardi admits that one planned feature wasn’t ready in time. “We’re using the cloud so that you can save to Steam from your PS3, but we’re not involved enough to say that you can pick up your progress on the PC using your PS3 save – we ran out of time.

“It’s achievable, but it’s hard, so next time!”

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I just finished the single player part, I loved it! I'm looking forward to the co-op puzzles.

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If anyone would like to co-op, let's set up some time to do so. I'd rather co-op with people from here, or people I know in RL, than randoms.

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Quote: "Yes I can confirm this. You have to run portal on your ps3 first. Link the accounts and then use a code in your game case to unlock the steam version."


One thing I'd really like to know... is it possible to play both copies simultaneously? Even like, with each other?



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Quote: "One thing I'd really like to know... is it possible to play both copies simultaneously? Even like, with each other?
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I shall attempt this now... Well it would appear not... I suppose you could go to the trouble of creating a new PSN account and a new steam account to try and use them together, but it's not something I'm willing to spend time trying.

AFAIK both PS3 and PC have split screen co-op though so it shouldn't be an issue.

EDIT: I can play both copies simultaneously... Just not co-op...

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Quote: "Can people list some of these games from yesteryear which are longer than the games made today? Try as I might when I look back at my collection of games I don't see it. The only games I have which could be considered long are RPGs, so I'd like to know what games I missed out on which last longer than games today."


The first Medal of Honor took over 20 hours to complete on hard. around 15 on easy.

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Quote: "I shall attempt this now... Well it would appear not... I suppose you could go to the trouble of creating a new PSN account and a new steam account to try and use them together, but it's not something I'm willing to spend time trying.

AFAIK both PS3 and PC have split screen co-op though so it shouldn't be an issue.

EDIT: I can play both copies simultaneously... Just not co-op..."


Thanks for the information, useful to know. I guess it makes sense really.



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Quote: "Well here in Australia EB has a 7 day return policy. You can get a full refund for any reason if you return your purchase in 7 days. I have taken advantage of this numerous times when completing a game or not enjoying a game I thought I would. Seeing as Australia seems to be hugely backward with regards to video games compared to the rest of the world why do you not take advantage of things like this?"


Because GAME in the UK has a no refund policy (unless it's faulty).

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I just played the first four chapters today, and it was amazing. I haven't even gotten into the bulk of the game, but already I am having a lot of fun playing it. Valve's sense of humor is still great, and the levels are very well done. Any doubts I had about portal 2 are gone. Personally, I think it's actually better than the original....

[EDIT] Also, apparently it sold 4 million copies, not including Steam.

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Just picked up my xbox 360 copy an hour ago... I'm loving it. Can't wait to coop.

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Quote: "Games are certainly much shorter, but mostly due to the amount of time it takes to produce modern visuals. I like to spend £40 on a game that I'll play for at least 40 hours. And there are still games being made that offer that sort of game life, Fallout3/NV for example, Test Drive Unlimited 2 has a lot of hours of gameplay. These days I abstain from buying COD games, I'm looking forward to Battlefield3 more than anything the COD stables have to offer.
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I dunno, Dragon Age Origins had a lot of high quality gameplay. now THERE's a game worth $50.

I won't be purchasing portal 2, sorry to say. I might pick it up in a year for $5 on ebay, or $10 on a steam sale.


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Quote: "Also, apparently it sold 4 million copies, not including Steam."

I thought that was the all time sales of Portal 1?
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Quote: "I thought that was the all time sales of Portal 1?
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Ah. My mistake. I read over a similar article a bit too fast... I though that number was a bit too large...

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turns outu need to pay for Co-op skins and such, that really made me loose respect for valve, 3,50 euro/pound *dunno which currency it was in TBs video* for a skin? and 60 for the whole package? OVER the 30 u already payed?
really valve? thats the road to go?


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Quote: "turns outu need to pay for Co-op skins and such, that really made me loose respect for valve, 3,50 euro/pound *dunno which currency it was in TBs video* for a skin? and 60 for the whole package? OVER the 30 u already payed?
really valve? thats the road to go?"

If it's anything like TF2, you can likely earn items by doing things in game, maybe earning certain achievements. I have the game for the Xbox though, so I wouldn't know.

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The maps in single player definitely aren't NEAR as good as the first one IMO. Everything seems so linear. There's only like 1 or 2 places you can put a portal, making it stupid obvious what to do.

I haven't touched the coop yet though so fingers are crossed that those puzzles are much better.

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Quote: "turns outu need to pay for Co-op skins and such, that really made me loose respect for valve, 3,50 euro/pound *dunno which currency it was in TBs video* for a skin? and 60 for the whole package? OVER the 30 u already payed?
really valve? thats the road to go?"

So I'm told, all of the skins are available via achievments anyway.

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Joined: 24th Jun 2009
Playing: Hard to get
Posted: 21st Apr 2011 01:37
Quote: "The maps in single player definitely aren't NEAR as good as the first one IMO. Everything seems so linear. There's only like 1 or 2 places you can put a portal, making it stupid obvious what to do."

Are there still challenge versions, like there were in the original?

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