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Phaelax
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Posted: 18th Apr 2011 22:06 Edited at: 18th Apr 2011 22:08
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Quote: " I have something like 343bhp I believe which is stock for a manual M3 in the UK."

Uhh, you're right. 343 for the UK, 333 for us. Well that's just not fair! Now here's the really confusing part, the UK model has more power but is slower according to Wiki.

EURO Models
343 hp
Torque: 269 lb·ft
0-100 km/h (62 mph) — 5.1 s for Manual and SMG, 5.5 s for cabriolet
1/4 Mile — 13.3 s @ 104 mph (167.4 km/h)

US Models
333 hp
Torque: 262 lb·ft
0-100 km/h (62 mph) — 4.8 seconds for Manual and SMG, 5.6 seconds for cabriolet
1/4 Mile - Coupe: 13.0 sec @ 104 mph (167 km/h), Convertible: 13.7 sec @ 104 mph (167 km/h)


I always thought the M5 was much quicker than the M3, rather than simply being a 4dr. I know the newer ones have a lot more power, close to 500hp I think. But the newer ones also weigh a few hundred extra pounds, about as much as mine now.


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Posted: 19th Apr 2011 11:00 Edited at: 19th Apr 2011 11:02
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Depends where you look. Most places I've ever seen put it at about 4.9. BMW quoted apparently 4.8 at the time so perhaps that is where the US data is coming from. I always read that the US versions were a little under powered for some reason, and those figures are weird considering the hp and the torque are lower. Still, never know with wiki.

Quote: "I always thought the M5 was much quicker than the M3"
Over here it was normally considered that the M3 was faster and better handling (just), and then the new M5 came along (what is it about 500bhp?) and blew everything out of the water. Then the new M3 came along (about 416bhp now) and runs it pretty close, especially to 100 and when you aren't going in a straight line (which is most of the time on UK roads ). I always read it as a style and size thing. M3s look better but have less room, and M5s look like a brick but more room. And now there are things like the 335, and 135M which are amazingly fast for much less cash.

I came within a whisker of getting a Supra when I got my old Scooby, and when I got the M3 I was juggling with the idea of a fast Mustang. Unfortuantly the Mustang had pretty much no gadgets at all (when you commute then heated memory seats are the business...) and handles like a bucket. Dunno about the newer ones though. Think they have improved things. Then again my wife thinks anything drives like a bathtub compared to her Elise. She drove an SLK once and hated it.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2011 12:15 Edited at: 19th Apr 2011 12:17
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The newer M5s are around 500hp, but so are the newer Jags. Mine's an '03 and supposedly designed to compete with the M5 (about 400hp back then I believe) which is why I was a little surprised by your numbers on the M3 which would beat mine. Mine should hit the quarter in low 13s, which ain't bad considering its over 2 tons. But currently, I need to put a new rack and pinion in mine, arghh....

A supra would've been awesome, I'm surprised they haven't remade that one yet, even in a limited production.

I'm not sure if the show appeared in the UK, but a few years back there was a reality show called Bull Run, hosted by Steve Austin. Some boys in a '69 charger beat the Elise boys in the maneuverability challenge. Granted they said they put a lot into the charger to make it handle like a modern car, but I'm sure the final conclusion was the Elise driver was just not very good.

Quote: "She drove an SLK once and hated it."

Interesting. I've been contemplating selling the Jag for an S55 AMG. I suffer from the unfortunate complex of liking really big cars but at the same time wanting a fast sports car all in one. Not an easy thing to do well.

Quote: "I'm lovin' some of these old cars, but I'm an old Mopar guy. Give me a 70 Hemi-Cuda."

I think I saw one of those sell for around $800k on berret-jackson. So yea, a numbers-matching hemi cuda is definitely a dream!

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Posted: 19th Apr 2011 15:47 Edited at: 19th Apr 2011 15:49
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Quote: "The newer M5s are around 500hp"
Just saw a new mag that had the newest M5s that should be over 550bhp and hit 60 in 4.5 secs. Not bad... As for the M3 it was always seen as the more nippy, especially around the track. M3/M5 0-60 timings are usually pretty close.

Quote: "A supra would've been awesome, I'm surprised they haven't remade that one yet, even in a limited production"
They did. Apparently they were going to release it when Toyota won a F1 race. Never did so didn't happen. The rumour was that they were still going to do it at some stage but possibly it morphed into that mental Lexus that came out. Was supposed to compete with a 911 Turbo pricewise so could have been that one.

Quote: "I'm not sure if the show appeared in the UK"
Probably did unless it was local cable or something. I didn't see it though.
Quote: " Some boys in a '69 charger beat the Elise boys in the maneuverability challenge. Granted they said they put a lot into the charger to make it handle like a modern car"
I can believe it. At the end of the day you can change anything, but you always have to use stock otherwise where do you stop? When buying a Scooby (Impreza STI) there was forums with Supra people saying how much faster they were than the scoobies STIs (stock is a fair bit slower than the scoobies to 60), but then it turns out they were doing all sorts of conversions. Watch the Top Gear episode where they fitted an old rubbish Jag (Jaaaaggggggg) with NOS and left supercars for dead and basically you can do anything.
Quote: "the Elise driver was just not very good"
Yeah, again anybody can beat anybody else in almost any car if they know what they are doing (and they other guy doesn't so much) or get the drop on them. All I know is driving an Elise feels sharp as hell compared to the M3 or the Subaru and they hardly bathtubs. It also sucks to drive an M3 as a normal sized bloke. Get in one and you will see what I mean...

Quote: "Interesting. I've been contemplating selling the Jag for an S55 AMG"
If you have never driven anything like an Elise then don't worry about it. If you have then apparently there is no going back... You will also be in traction by the end of the year, but still... Or go for something slightly more comfortable and get something like a Caterham. Unbelievably quick and scary around a windy road. Or go for much more comfort and get an Evo FQ400. And lose your licence in a year...

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Quote: "A supra would've been awesome, I'm surprised they haven't remade that one yet, even in a limited production"


The Supra will be super seeded by the FT-HS, if they ever get it on the market. It's a strange rear wheel drive hybrid, but they're aiming for 4sec 0-60 through use of electric+3.6L V6. Looks interesting ...



As for the debate you two were having about BHP/size and 0-60, my Skyline was dynoed at 262BHP at the flywheel (it was 12 years old), so had dropped a good 20HP at least from 50k miles of abuse, and I clocked it several times at 5sec 0-60 bang on. Obviously the ATTESSA 4WD made a big difference for launches, but sub 5 sec 0-60 is definitely possible in a sub 300bhp car if it's engineered properly!

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Posted: 19th Apr 2011 16:39 Edited at: 19th Apr 2011 17:32
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Quote: "sub 5 sec 0-60 is definitely possible in a sub 300bhp car if it's engineered properly!"
Oh yeah of course; was more of a M3 vs M5 debate really. Infact come to think of it my bird's Elise is one of the faster ones and does 0-60 in 4.9 apparently (feels more like 0.9 being that close to the ground) and is only something like 150bhp (really drops off to a 100 though). Light as a feather though and is truly scary next to lorries. The Skylines were amazingly adaptable as was the Supras. Loved those cars. I heard once that the name came from a mistranslation (supposed to be Supers). Bit like Continental Circus.

Quote: "through use of electric+3.6L V6"
I watched a program once and they were saying how they had adapted several cars and even a slow 9 sec car was made into a 5 sec car by putting small electric motors on each wheel. The motors were only used when accelerating from standstill and even helped the mpg a lot.

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its funny how i read all this stuff about... cars.. and dont understand a squat x)


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Quote: "its funny how i read all this stuff about... cars.. and dont understand a squat"
If you are a bloke (birds tend to like pink cars that can hold flowers like the VW Beetle) then you don't need to understand anything (I do programming as a living and how a car actually works is totally beyond me - my wife and mother in law blow me away - her dad used to be an engineer). All you need to know is the picture below gets your juices flowing:-

And don't listen to any comments about Top Gun... Ace film, and beach vollyball with the boys is perfectly good clean fun... Although it helps if you grew up on air force bases like me... (the plane bit, not the semi nude bloke bit...)

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If you don't know why a head gasket blows, what a con-rod is, or why dual overhead cams are better than single, you're a big girls blouse, like Dazzag.

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Quote: "If you don't know why a head gasket blows, what a con-rod is, or why dual overhead cams are better than single, you're a big girls blouse, like Dazzag."
Ha! Nice. You sound like my mate at work who's converted his Mini into some sort of missile (that will probably explode at some point). He seems to think I know all the bits of bobs of cars because I have a fast one Not a chance. My wife probably knows all that, and her mum knows more. Not so great at car shows. I tend to say things like "Oooh, that old Lambo has seriously small wheels!". Heh, he practically said the same thing yesterday to me as I considered diesel or even an automatic with the price of petrol (145.9 yesterday) and the rubbish commute I have. I felt as low as a cyclist...

Even so I'd still leave you at the lights Or not these days as I will probably be fiddling with the settings and the like.

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Quote: "Even so I'd still leave you at the lights"


Maybe in my Cupra, but not on my SV old man, and I'd also be nipping past the traffic while you're suffering your rubbish commute. I will die horribly at some point, of course, leaving a mangled unrecognisable corpse, but until then I shall be sniggering on the other side of my visor.

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Quote: "Watch the Top Gear episode where they fitted an old rubbish Jag (Jaaaaggggggg) with NOS and left supercars for dead and basically you can do anything."

I think it was last season they fitted a mini van with the engine from an xj220, to compete with the Australians.

Quote: "sub 5 sec 0-60 is definitely possible in a sub 300bhp car if it's engineered properly!"

Of course. AWD helps a lot, weight of the car, gear ratios.

One car that comes to mind is the Neon SRT-4. It's not sub-5's stock, but it's at 5.6s (had to look it up). That's only 220hp though, and I bet with the stage 2 turbo kit it might come pretty close. There's a stage 3 but that starts taking it over 300 I think.

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dual overhead cams may be better for performance... not so much for reliability. Over head cams are better designed valve train wise then a lifter pushrod system anyway though. But then again reliability is more dependent on maint. then anything else anyway. Especially if your one of those who complain about timing belts vs chains. They just require replacement earlier...

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Aston Martin DB9... why? Just looks Classy and doesnt let up on the speed


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Quote: "If you don't know why a head gasket blows, what a con-rod is, or why dual overhead cams are better than single, you're a big girls blouse, like Dazzag.
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hah well you see... what are u talking about? x)

guess i am a blouse..


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Quote: "Aston Martin DB9... why? Just looks Classy and doesnt let up on the speed"


Jaguar XKR, half the price, similar looks, similar performance, and in my opinion a nicer interior.

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It's pretty much the only thing I drive in GT5, when I can help it anyway.

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Hey Matt, which Ferrari is that? I swear that's the same one that passed me yesterday on the road (it was white). I mostly saw the back end but remember thinking how different it looked from other ferraris, I couldn't identify it.

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That's the Ferrari 458 Italia in Rosso Scuderia red, the way god intended it

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Well, if we're adding B-Kings to the mix, I'm aiming for a Superduke one day, when I think I can ride it without instant death.



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Oh bikes now? I'll take a Harley night rod.




Or the 500hp Dodge Tomahawk!


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If I could have any car in history, it would have to be the Lancia Stratos, one of the truely great rally cars



or the noble M600




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Quote: "Or the 500hp Dodge Tomahawk!"


First I've seen of that bike. I searched high and low to find a video of it actually going round a corner, but it must be utter garbage because there is nothing but a few vids of it tentatively tootling along. I recommend sticking with the harley!

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The dodge was a concept bike they showed a few years and only sold for a very short time priced at over $500k. According to wiki, only 9 were actually sold. And if I recall, they were sold without oil. Some legal garbage about the bike couldn't be sold ready to run due to insurance reasons. Theoretical top speed is said to be over 400mph.

It's a very heavy bike, somewhere around 1500lbs, but most of that weight comes from the 8L v10 viper engine.


Could always buy a Morris Marina!

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i used to think the Dodge Tomahawk was the bee's knees but then i learned that it doesn't handle worth crap. the b-king, on the other hand, has the same 1340cc engine as the Suzuki Hayabusa, the fastest production motorcycle in existence, and comes at ten times the awesomeness. it also handles.

and if i can't get my hands on the type of mustang that interests me, this might be a more realistic dream, a Ford Crown Victoria


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How is a crown vic any kind of dream car? My grandma drives one of those!

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If it's a car then it would be a Nissan Skyline GTR VSpec.

However if it's any vehicle then it would the Tron light cycle I just love the bike and I know there are working replicas but I want one with the light trail and it comes as a baton like in the film.

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I looked at the new GTR when it came out, the nissan dealership in town had one. They kept it roped off and wouldn't even let me sit in the car, much less test drive it. At least Dodge will let me see the inside of the viper, which costs about the same.

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It's still in development, but one of these would be nice:


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Quote: "If it's a car then it would be a Nissan Skyline GTR VSpec"


I had one. An R33. Loved it, but wrote it off. It was my dream car since driving it on the original GranTurismo on the PS1. I will own another one though, just can't justify the cost right now.



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The McLaren F1, supposedly one of the fastest out there.


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Unless there's a new McLaren out, it hasn't been number one for awhile.

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I found this on Wikipedia:

Quote: "The F1 remains as of 2011 one of the fastest production cars ever made; as of July 2010 it is only succeeded by the Koenigsegg CCR,[25] the Bugatti Veyron,[26] the SSC Ultimate Aero TT,[27] and the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport. However, all of the superior top speed machines use forced induction to reach their respective top speeds – making the McLaren F1 the fastest naturally aspirated production car in the world. The Hennessey Venom GT is expected to also record a high top speed higher than the F1, with an estimated top speed of 270mph."


Pretty impressive considering all the years its been out, it still holds its place. I may change my mind and choose the Venom GT once its out.


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I know the hennessey viper holds the record for fastest standing mile.

Hennessey Venom GT, a 1200hp Lotus!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc20HLCVDGQ

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I had a volvo that looked just like that. Man was that car a blast. Manual rear wheel drive, and a tank to boot. I want to own it again one day, but the one I had had some severe electrical troubles

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My dream car is called the BMW Presidential.

Its a fully armored car, that can withstand a rocket blast to the engine and still keep going. Including a fully reinforced internal cab, etc. I think it costs somewhere around $1.5 million.

I figure if it can withstand that then it can withstand any head on collision (on account of stupid drivers out there) and you would walk away with little to no injury.

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Keep in mind, if the car doesn't give a little on the impact, then it's not absorbing much of the collision force, YOU are! So the car might keep running after a head-on collision, but your brain will keep flying into the front of skull too after the car reaches an abrupt stop.

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I'd add some comfy seats, and a turbocharger for good measure
PS: Center alignment is awesome

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Quote: " but your brain will keep flying into the front of skull too after the car reaches an abrupt stop."


lol. A nice explanation.
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Id like an AC shelby Cobra, please, so I can drive up some mountain road in a thrilling action sequence, with a woman in a Ferarri, ending in a chilled bottle of something expensive, caviar, and lots of nudity.

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I just wanna run a 1970 challenger at high speed into a bulldozer and go out in blast of pointless glory.

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me would be an R32 skyline GTR v spec II. other than that i made a few 3d cars based off of the R32 GTR also and i always dream of building it into reality one day. i've posted the pic in the 3d section before. the motor of choice would have to be a V8 5.0L 1.5UZ or a choice of an V8 LS1/LS7 with a full time 4wd drivetrain. Recently this year i saw the picture of a Farrarri FR and was astonished by the hothatch supercar look that im in the process of establishing another 3d concept car in hothatch form.

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Posted: 10th May 2011 17:59
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Quote: "At least Dodge will let me see the inside of the viper, which costs about the same"
Ah, but it's really looks compared to sheer awesomeness. Viper + curvy roads + decent speed = accident.

Quote: "I'd add some comfy seats, and a turbocharger for good measure"
Ah, say it ain't so! An Exige is a lovely looking amazing handling car, but like the Elise (my wife has one of the faster ones) it really really sucks to drive normally. Comfy seats maybe, but would have to be NASA genius grade seats or something. The whole car feels like a steam engine. Forget radio unless you want to go deaf with the volume you would need to drown anything else out. It wouldn't matter though cos you would be in traction due to the pain of getting in/out of it. And don't even mention the tiny pedals, stupidly small boot, *NO* sun visors, no carpet, no central locking, no power steering (actually think they have changed that now), and candle power lights (honestly try driving fast at night on a windy back road and you will understand what real fear is). And you look like an idiot trying to get in and out of one (women have no problems...). Still, lovely car.

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Current fave quote : "She was like a candle in the wind.... unreliable...."
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Posted: 10th May 2011 18:50 Edited at: 10th May 2011 18:58
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I would love to drive an Exige, but I would never want anyone to see me in it. Not even a woman who I had pleasured beyond anything she'd ever experienced before. Even she would look upon me as a fool. Not to mention that with my lank I would have to invert my pelvis just to fit inside.

I would love a Lotus Carlton though.

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Posted: 11th May 2011 03:32 Edited at: 11th May 2011 03:33
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I'm more of a bike guy personally, and this is something awesome but within my reach:

Honda CB1000R

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Posted: 11th May 2011 10:42
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Quote: "I would love to drive an Exige, but I would never want anyone to see me in it"
Depends where you live. Yes here you look like a hairdresser and should be advising people what to wear or how to decorate their houses if you know what I mean, but when I lived in Cyprus it was completely different.

At the time I drived an MX5. Any you saw had very manly looking blokes in them. Very rare to see a woman really. Elises were also all men. I'm thinking the attitudes are different elsewhere and possibly more like we were like in the 50's and 60's towards small convertibles. Of course as soon as I came back to the UK I ditched the MX5 and got an extremely manly car (M3).

Heh, Cyprus was so far down the scale that even driving a moped was seen as pretty manly with gangs of them zooming (well as much as you can) along doing all sorts of tricks and amazingly all the girls on the side of the road giggling and looking on in awe at these guys, much like if you pulled up in a supercar in the UK or somesuch. Weird eh, but I reckon a lot of Europe is the same from what I've seen over the years. Maybe it's just us that you know like very fast larger cars. Hmmm...

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Any car made by Aston Martin (old or new) - do I really need to explain why?!!

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