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jrowe
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Posted: 2nd Jun 2011 20:23 Edited at: 2nd Jun 2011 20:27
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Just seen this, lots of interesting ideas integrating touch and standard mouse/ keyboard interfaces:



What do you guys think?

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2011 20:26
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Looks kinda like Windows Phone 7.


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I really hope that they'll make that start screen optional, it looks WAY to much like an IPad with apps and whatever, I just want my desktop
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I hate the idea. It just looks too much like a phone OS. If they're going to make a new OS, they should try to actually compete with phones and tablets, to give people a reason to buy a PC, but why would anyone want to spend more money on a PC that looks and behaves just like their phone?


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Posted: 2nd Jun 2011 21:04 Edited at: 2nd Jun 2011 21:24
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...Videos like this make me glad for keepin' my good ol' XP.

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2011 21:33
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I think there's some mislabelling going on here. From what I can see that's a tablet OS, nothing more.



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First people were complaining that there were no Windows Phone 7 tablets, and now people complain that this looks like Windows Phone 7! .

I think this looks very promising, and yes, you can go back to the standard style of the Windows interface. I assume the new interface will work great with Kinect. I also think it's amazing that the OS can run on Qualcomm\Texas Instruments\Nvidia chips, and with such great performance.

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I dont like it, At all, it looks to much and i will say it one more time, a phone not a pc. I can get to my aplications right from my desktop and to do away with the desk top is a horrid idea.I just think they are running out of ideas so they need to create something for the next big thing and this is all they can come up with.This is no diffrent from windows media or am i wrong?

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I think it looks good. It looks versatile, you can do the same thing on several different devices (good idea) and although the tiles UI is wrong for a mouse and keyboard, for touchscreens it's perfect, and before you say it's just WP7 upgraded, I have a windows phone, and I love it. It's fast, runs EVERYTHING smoothly and is incredibly pleasing aesthetically, so if it looks like WP7, I honestly don't see a problem.

I quite probably will end up buying several Win8 devices in all honesty, I'm not a MS fankid or anything, but this looks like their first original innovation, and I am more than willing to welcome it.

but that's me personally and I'm sure many of you guys are different.


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Where's the file browser? Where are folders? How am I gonna program on this thing?

I hope it works well. I don't know if Microsoft realises this but people are far more interested in a stable, solid, and fast operating system than they are about a "new user experience." I'm not gonna bash this new system just yet, maybe it will be the bee's knees.

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It doesn't look like a new OS, rather a program to run on Windows... Am I missing something? Is this supposed to be something for tablets? It would see that would be the case... I think.

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Let's be hoest...there's nothing left to add to an Operating System. I mean 7 kept going on about that worthless snap feature like it was a pivotal feature of the OS.

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I sort of like this new idea Microsoft has, but I think there could be some improvement. One thing thats really irritating is how much of a difference there is between their new "start menu" and the original Windows desktop, they just aren't seamless and that bothers me in a number of ways. Windows 7 had some good new ideas that blended with the existing interface, but this phone style really contrasts the original desktop concept of Windows. I think that with refinement (which I hope will happen), this will be a great new UI, but so far it really doesn't conform with the existing interface. It sort of looks like two operating systems running next to each other, if you want to put it that way.

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@CG
you have NO IDEA how useful that snap feature is!


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^ Was that sarcasm?

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I have Win7 and I don't know what this "snap feature" is.... but it's probably very likely that I've been using it all along.

Win8... doesn't impress me. I don't use touchscreens. I have the OPTION of using a touchscreen here, but I opt out of it because a touchscreen, for the most part, isn't tactile. I have no physical feedback to what I pushed, if anything. This makes touchtyping on a touchscreen virtual keyboard practically impossible! Now, it appears to me they're focusing far MORE on touchscreen capabilities than they are on typical PC usage, and are going the apple route no less! This is my desktop computer, dammit! I don't care about swipes, flicks, pinches, etc. that you're doing with a touchscreen. Keep that on the phones, please. If you're going to come up with a new interface, make it not just "friendly" for a mouse/keyboard, but a welcomed upgrade from the old style we had.


Thanks for the video, was an interesting watch.


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That was not sarcastic in the slightest. It is genuinely THE MOST useful feature of win7, you know, besides running software..


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I also think the snap is very useful. However, I think Windows should focus less on new UI features and focus more on performance and stability. As long as there is a way to switch back to the traditional desktop then I'll be fine with this new version.

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Quote: "I mean 7 kept going on about that worthless snap feature like it was a pivotal feature of the OS."


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No sarc, it is extremily helpful.
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 02:37 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 02:39
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It looks pretty cool, and some of their announcements give me hope for the fact they might start actually innovating themselves rather than ripping off or cloning.

Thing is though, based on their obvious history, I can see them watering down or back-pedalling on a lot of this stuff (especially when they stated they have a commitment to HTML5 development etc.). Unless a major shift has occurred at the top, I think we'll see glimpses of "we must have stupid proprietary everything" coming back (maybe some non standard extensions to HTML5?)

But if something has changed in a major way, Microsoft could actually do great stuff (if they have finally realised that worked with interoperable standards etc. is better than trying to fight the entire industry all the time, they could better their products and inspire greater competition too). I genuinely do hope something good comes of all of this, and these aren't projects/aims that get shut down because they're too 'disruptive' / go against the grain inside MS

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Desktops aren't going away any time soon, but I do like the forward thinking idea of being able to run Windows on a tablet. Tablets are only going to get more powerful, and it would be pretty sweet to take a subset of my main Windows desktop along with me in the form of a tablet, iPad and Android based tablets just don't quite cut it for me, but a properly integrated Windows tablet sounds great if they can get it right.

I find the Windows 7 snap feature useful as well.

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Quote: "I also think the snap is very useful. However, I think Windows should focus less on new UI features and focus more on performance and stability. As long as there is a way to switch back to the traditional desktop then I'll be fine with this new version."


Why should that do that when they've already got that down?
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In itself I admire the new interface to Windows 8, but what I think needs fixing is for it to blend/conform with the old UI system to at least some extent. I dunno, something about two distinct UIs packed together into one OS bothers me.

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Quote: "Thing is though, based on their obvious history, I can see them watering down or back-pedalling on a lot of this stuff "


Exactly. History dictates that, even though this is now code named Windows 8, it almost certainly won't be the next iteration of Windows. It's just too much of a departure from the current concept. I like it, but I think that some major changes will also have to made by the major software vendors before a lot of the features you see will work. More likely we will start to see some of these features added as options to the next few versions.

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Quote: "Note: I don't know about you people, but I don't normally sit close enough to my monitors to be reaching for them all the time."


I think the idea is to make it more touchscreen friendly for those devices that DO use touchscreens, like the HP Touchsmart computers, and tablets, rather than replace a mouse entirely. If you were just using sarcasm, ignore my post.

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Quote: "Because it's a PC it has a file system."

As opposed to non-PCs that don't have a FS???

From Win 3.1 to 95 to 98 to 2k and even to XP, MS I felt moved in the right direction. Then came along Vista and followed by improved Vista (which we call 7), I didn't care much for them. And now this? Win8 looks to be further in the wrong direction, at least for a desktop environment.

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I saw a few people posting that 'it doesn't have file browsing!', or 'how am I supposed to get to my usual desktop stuff??'. Well if you watch the video all the way through, you can see that he actually switches to a desktop that looks like W7. He even opened a file browser that looked identical to W7's file browser.

In my opinion, it looks like it's great for browsing the web and doing internet-related things, yet still capable of all the W7 features. It isn't like they removed the desktop They just put a new, sort of 'optional' type of home screen in. I think it looks great!

Although I personally don't like how the new home screen is what they're focusing on. TBH I just want a faster OS, not a fancy made-for-numnuts OS.


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You guys do know that this Codenamed "Windows 8" is not going to be realesed anytime soon right ? There is still plently of time for them to change things up...

While I myself am not too happy about the whole "Tiles" thing here. I noticed that older apps like "Microsoft Word 2010" will use the Desktop in conjunction with newer apps that uses the Tiles.

They better make it an option to use tiles but like I said, there is still plently of time for them to change things up...

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It would be nice if they took a "Snow Leopard" approach. Forget adding/changing features, focus on the optimizing the core of the OS and improve what's already in place.

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Quote: "It would be nice if they took a "Snow Leopard" approach. Forget adding/changing features, focus on the optimizing the core of the OS and improve what's already in place."


But it's shiny stuff that attracts more users (and thus more money), not stability or performance.



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Quote: "But it's shiny stuff that attracts more users (and thus more money), not stability or performance."


I guess I'm in the minority who stuck with Win2k until finally switching to XP two years ago. Another 6 years and I'll be ready to move to Visa!

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It honestly terrifies me. It looks more or less like the windows phone os with windows 7 as one of the screens. All I see is Mircrosoft trying to lock windows down as much as apple, but doing it worse.

Seriously. Apps. And a windows store.

I hope this is as early as it looks, and that the reason they are showing this to the public is to get real feedback before they release this monstrosity. I mean, it makes Wii channels look like pure genius in comparison.

If this is the next Windows, Linux and Chrome OS will probably become my main OS's. I don't resit change, I in fact I usually embrace it. But this is moving backwards, not forwards. Their inspirations on the wall are magazines...... Microsoft's big advantage is that most companies stick with them because they already understand Windows. In that light, can you seriously see any company switching from windows 7 to this? It would be a bigger financial fiasco for windows than Vista was when companies didn't migrate to it.


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looks horrid indeed, ugh. on a phone i would love it to death on a computer..

whats wrong with the old desktop? =/

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Well.. It seems nice for ipods and ipads etc. but not a computer. Unless they have two different UIs for people wanting to use a mouse and keyboard over a touch screen as that Windows Phone style homepage would just be really clunky with a mouse and keyboard.


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I'm annoyed by their trend of trying to get away from a mouse and keyboard. I would hate to have to play a game like Fallout 3 only using a touch screen.

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but then again, it does work on mouse&keyboard aswell

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It looks to me like this will be a bit of a transitional piece into something bigger, perhaps Windows 9 that will be more or less all tile based. At the moment it looks like XP Media Center Edition which had the option to use a fancy interface for all your movie, music, and picture browsing. This looks similar to that. I honestly don't know if I love or hate the idea of this.

Input method is the big thing. I don't want to touch my desktop PC screen, however if instead of just a mouse, if I had a little touch sensitive pad built into my keyboard that I could do swipe / motion gestures with I think that the new home screen could be quite effective when used in conjunction with classic input methods.

I think more so than anyone people on this forum should be able to think outside of the box. We've all seen Minority report and other sci-fi movies. That is the direction our technology is going because it looks pretty and it's easy to use for the normal consumer.

I'm even slowly convincing myself that if they do everything right, and so far it almost looks like they are, that this would even be fairly effective for Art and Programming tools as well. I can think of at least one benefit being that you no longer have a Start bar or a titlebar on your window taking up valuable screen real estate.

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How are we supposed to multitask in this new user interface?

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If you watched the video you would have seen there was an "alt-tab" gesture if you swiped the corner of the screen and there was also a snap feature that allowed you to split the screen in half for 2 different apps.

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This looks really gay... I like it how they are convinced how good it is, they even play that "oooh! aaaaaah!" music

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Yep, it's pretty much optimised for idiots. they automatically assume the user doesn't know the first thing about computers so they make everything so easy, it's boring. I personally hate the Windows phone UI and i think it's boring, styleless and an all out bad interface. they add the "amazed" theme to send the signal to the brain, telling it to want this self-proclaimed "amazing Product".

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well, people do like shiny things.... style over substance.... the world is full of it...


Hmm, I wonder what's coming in 2011?
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Quote: "If you watched the video you would have seen there was an "alt-tab" gesture if you swiped the corner of the screen and there was also a snap feature that allowed you to split the screen in half for 2 different apps."

I dunno, that just seems... restricted. Compared to the original windowed interface, anyway.

I really don't like this new UI, it just isn't true to the original. I think it's pretty safe to say that desktop UIs are better than phone UIs, so why are Microsoft turning normal PCs into phones?
I know that they're only adding this onto the normal 7 look, but I think time could be better spent impoving upon the original UI rather than budging in the phone interface all of a sudden.

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It is a tablet.



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I think when you look at Windows 8 you need to think... Windows Media Center Edition. It's not your OS, but it's a neat way of browsing and watching your media.

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Ugh. I most definitely dont like it!! it's weird, and un-intuitive.

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I dont want apps in my computer

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