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Stormwire
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 17:07 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 17:08
Quote: "If you don't respect another's right to do as they wish without judging them negatively all the time, it just shows you have no empathy with others and can only see things from your own perspective. How do I have a debate with someone who can only see things from one perspective, and has no willingness to change it because he does not respect other people's opinions?"


Again respect is over rated. I don't respect pedophiles. Do you? I don't respect rapists. Do you? Your very general in your view, not much specifics. From what I can tell your upset I don't like your mentality toward this type of filth. Well chappy your just going to have to except it since I am not going to change my view for you or anyone else. Mind you if you showed me proper evidence that this dirt actual helps kids in a positive way then I would reconsider my view.

I don't go around thinking "Oh my god am I being respectful" all the time. That is impossible to keep up. If you like adult content on a family friendly site then good for you but then that goes back to my previous post about you wanting porn or adult chatlines everywhere. Do you or don't you? Your flip flopping on your own points.

As for Quik's post. I read it again and no he is not clear in his point. Why he brought race into it is beyond me he even states that himself lol
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 17:14
I didnt, i meant the toys, they cant be black, because black is a dark and horrid color that we shouldnt let our kids play with, it should all be pink and yellow, thats what i meant

and for the record, I am a man.

Zotoaster
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 17:24
I don't really expect you to change your mind, but I did expect some rational debate. I've put effort into making all my posts clear and not to be biased about anything, as any intelligent person would do. But it's impossible to do that when the responses are clearly the projection of some inner-demons that you obviously haven't overcome yet. To be this offended by a picture of a woman, to the point that you call it filth and think the mere sight of it will harm a child, is an extreme opinion. The onus is on you to prove that such things are harmful, not on me to prove that they're not.

You have either had a personal experience that makes you frightened of women, or you are a victim of society telling you that this is bad, and are unable to think for yourself. If you just realised this, you wouldn't be so offended. Political correctness is a tumour that's turning us into cold-blooded robots - don't fall for it.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 17:36
Quote: "I don't really expect you to change your mind, but I did expect some rational debate. I've put effort into making all my posts clear and not to be biased about anything, as any intelligent person would do. But it's impossible to do that when the responses are clearly the projection of some inner-demons that you obviously haven't overcome yet. To be this offended by a picture of a woman, to the point that you call it filth and think the mere sight of it will harm a child, is an extreme opinion. The onus is on you to prove that such things are harmful, not on me to prove that they're not.

You have either had a personal experience that makes you frightened of women, or you are a victim of society telling you that this is bad, and are unable to think for yourself. If you just realised this, you wouldn't be so offended. Political correctness is a tumour that's turning us into cold-blooded robots - don't fall for it."


If you expect a rational debate online then your out of luck. You wont find it unless you think being rational is when people agree with you I like the way you flip flop again. You previously stated we cant tell anything about each other yet here you are telling me about my inner demons lol Very dramatic! You will be a good writer some day I have no taste for PC silliness or your world view. Which are one and the same if you care to take a closer look at them

@Quik

Your post wasn't clear in anyway as you stated yourself. Since when was black a bad color for kids? I have never heard such a thing. People usually go for brighter colors for a reason. Whether it be cultural or personal taste your assumption is biased. I read a long time ago that Asian players prefer brighter colored games to western players. It had something to do with being so crowded in the Asian countries that they did there study in.
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 17:38
Quote: "Are you being purposely naive? There is only one reason for this kind of filth and that is to make money off asocial young men. And that is why it is insulting."

In other words, providing a service to someone in exchange for money? I don't see that as immoral. They've found their target audience and are catering to it.

Quote: "Again respect is over rated. I don't respect pedophiles"

Depends on whether they act on their impulses I absolutely respect pedophiles who never act on it, that takes willpower.

Oh, and Quik brings up a very interesting point. I think we can all agree that the main advert we are describing here is hardly obscene in any way, a little racy at best. But the site probably is more racy, does that mean it shouldn't be advertised at all? Personally, I think it's the parent's responsibility to be aware of what their child is doing on the internet, to suggest that an advert should be taken down because they can't stop their child from clicking it is silly.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 17:39
I'm just a lonely internet geek. If google doesn't show me how to find women, how will I ever procreate?

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 17:42
I am going to go ahead and quote Zotoaster:
Quote: "What Quik was trying to say was actually quite cogent. Where do we draw the line on "family friendly"? Why are blood and guts games and movies ok but a girl wearing clothes is bad? I don't think you're confused at all by what he said.
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thats what iam trying to say, iam not saying black is a bad color, but where exactly does the line to family friendly go?


Quote: "If you expect a rational debate online then your out of luck"


most of the debates here on this forums are rational, there is no excuse not to be, his post made a very good point, once again, and your simply denying everything he says without backing it up, let me once again quote him:

Quote: " be this offended by a picture of a woman, to the point that you call it filth and think the mere sight of it will harm a child, is an extreme opinion. The onus is on you to prove that such things are harmful, not on me to prove that they're not.
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this, you havent answered this once, even though it has come up a dozen of times here: how come, that this picture, gets you so offended? and why are we to prove they are not when you cannot even prove, that it is?

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 17:46
Quote: "If you expect a rational debate online then your out of luck"


You just admitted your own immaturity. Rational means forming actual arguments, regardless of whether people agree or not. You haven't made a single argument - you just assume it's a fundamental and universal truth that online flirting is bad, end of.

And yes, I am inferring things about you, but that doesn't make me a hypocrite. At least I back up what I say, whereas you just spit things out without any back up. "Rationally", everything you say is strictly fallacious, yet you still stick to these fallacies even when they are pointed out to you. This tells me that you have a core belief in certain irrational ideas - I can only assume that you must have some personal issues! Your left-brain is playing tricks on you (that's the part that convinces you of things regardless of how stupid they may seem).

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 17:58
Slightly off topic (from the original question) but there is a great old book called "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie which talks in-depth about this type of conversation. In Part 3, it begins with a chapter called "You can't win an argument". You can't win because even if you do, you loose. Excellent reading if anyone is interested. I bought a copy a few years ago on Amazon and I re-read it on a regular basis. It's been an indispensable asset to my business in the way that I deal with clients, especially problem ones.

Brian.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 18:01
It's not about winning, it's about the practice

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 18:51
Quote: "In other words, providing a service to someone in exchange for money? I don't see that as immoral. They've found their target audience and are catering to it."


Are you serious? Helping asocial young men become more asocial isn't a problem? That is like saying it is OK to sell knives and guns to serial killers because you found your niche. There has to be limits. This general view of real world issues isn't productive to society and a reflection of lazy minds.

Quote: "Depends on whether they act on their impulses I absolutely respect pedophiles who never act on it, that takes willpower.

Oh, and Quik brings up a very interesting point. I think we can all agree that the main advert we are describing here is hardly obscene in any way, a little racy at best. But the site probably is more racy, does that mean it shouldn't be advertised at all? Personally, I think it's the parent's responsibility to be aware of what their child is doing on the internet, to suggest that an advert should be taken down because they can't stop their child from clicking it is silly."


You respect pedos all you want but I wont be joining you Again people are getting the OP confused. Read it again and then try again. My view of this content is neither here nor there. This is an inappropriate place for such ads. How many times do I have to repeat that You want adult sites everywhere like Zotoaster?

Quote: "I'm just a lonely internet geek. If google doesn't show me how to find women, how will I ever procreate?"


Eh... Go outside? Or you could go to local community date nights. Most places have them.

Quote: "thats what iam trying to say, iam not saying black is a bad color, but where exactly does the line to family friendly go?"


That is entirely down to the parent of the child. You and me cant tell people what is appropriate for there children. In saying that and I know I have to reiterate this now THE LAW IS THE LAW for good reason. You cannot allow your child to look at adult content. If it is 18+ you are breaking the law. Some here have very deviant tastes when it comes to adult content from the sound of things so I am sure they will rail against that point. More than likely because most standing for this kind of thing are very young and don't want there favorite pass time taken away from them lol

Quote: "most of the debates here on this forums are rational, there is no excuse not to be, his post made a very good point, once again, and your simply denying everything he says without backing it up, let me once again quote him:"


Your definition of rational is what? I have responded to everyone. What more do you want? You want me to agree to the deviant points made? Not gonna happen bud. Zotoaster has stated that the onus is on me to show evidence. How is that rational. You have posted nothing but the opposite to what I have posted with out any evidence of your own. You will have to try harder

Quote: "Slightly off topic (from the original question) but there is a great old book called "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie which talks in-depth about this type of conversation. In Part 3, it begins with a chapter called "You can't win an argument". You can't win because even if you do, you loose. Excellent reading if anyone is interested. I bought a copy a few years ago on Amazon and I re-read it on a regular basis. It's been an indispensable asset to my business in the way that I deal with clients, especially problem ones."


Good book from what I have heard. It all seems a bit to new age for my taste buds. Also I am under no illusion that this argument has an end XD

Quote: "It's not about winning, it's about the practice "


What are you practicing? How to troll lol
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 18:55
and again, you ignore this:
Quote: "this, you havent answered this once, even though it has come up a dozen of times here: how come, that this picture, gets you so offended? and why are we to prove they are not when you cannot even prove, that it is?"


and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 18:56 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 18:58
Stormwire, I gave you a definition of rational in my previous post. You either didn't look at it or you ignored it. You are clearly trying very hard to convince yourself, to the extent that you're ignoring entire posts.

And the onus is on you to provide evidence, this is how rational debates work. People here know this.

Example: "I think this is filthy dirt", "Why?", "Why not?". Gettit?

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 19:02
Quote: "My view of this content is neither here nor there. This is an inappropriate place for such ads."

Your view of the content is entirely the subject, actually, because only in your opinion does it not belong here. No one else seems to have a problem with it. It is only an inappropriate place in your opinion, thus your opinion is important.

Quote: "You want adult sites everywhere like Zotoaster?"

Of course not I hate this kind of argument. Just because I support something doesn't mean I want it everywhere, what kind of insane troll logic is that? That's like saying I like apples, so now I want all supermarkets to sell nothing but apples.


Quote: "Zotoaster has stated that the onus is on me to show evidence. How is that rational."

The onus on you is to explain why you are so offended by a clothed girl

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 19:02
@ Wolf and Quik:

Hahaha... Ferengi women aren't allowed to wear clothes. It's the "norm" for their society. But there are rebels like Quarks mom who now wear clothes on a regular basis... and even more shocking she actually makes money.


@ Stormwire:

Just to let you know since you probably don't have any kids of your own. With a typical boy between the ages of 3 to 12 his reaction to that ad would be "Eeewwwww it's a girl.". A girls reaction in that same age range is more like "I want to grow up like her.". They don't normally think about sex till the middle of puberty.

When it comes to talking about church and sex being "dirty" I just want you to remember one thing... God invented sex.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 19:04 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 19:05
Read through this thread twice over, so for you unsucessful troll;



It just comes off completly blown out of proportion its a dating site, nothing more nothing less.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 19:08
Quote: "When it comes to talking about church and sex being "dirty" I just want you to remember one thing... God invented sex."

and religion is not allowed here*



stormwire, have you ever heard of this: Lets go on a date, lets say we go to a movie okay?
lets eat dinner?
lets have lunch?
lets go around shopping
lets have a movie night!

all those, can be considered dates, and where, on earth, is that sexually intedned!?
because all i see on that site is: flirt, and find your new girlfriend
there, is nothing wrong with that, its just an alternative to the usual dating, for those who have problem with going out to a pub and hit on someone.

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 19:09
Quote: "and again, you ignore this:"


Are you paying attention? Read my posts again I have answered it more than once.

Quote: "Rational means forming actual arguments, regardless of whether people agree or not. You haven't made a single argument - you just assume it's a fundamental and universal truth that online flirting is bad, end of."


Yes I read it but it doesn't make much sense as usual. Rational does not mean forming arguments. Where did you get that. A quick check on Google would have shown you the following.

Rational: Based on or in accordance with reason or logic

Again not very reasonable for you to think I have to give you evidence. Why would you think that? Your logic is skewed as is your reasoning.
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 19:12 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 19:15
Quote: "Rational: Based on or in accordance with reason or logic"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason

Quote: " The ways in which human beings reason through an argument are the subject of inquiries in the field of logic."




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Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof


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Have another, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 19:23
I think we need a new Godwin's Law... eventually, every argument on the internet devolves into debating what an argument actually is.

Quote: "Are you paying attention? Read my posts again I have answered it more than once."

Could you summarise for us again? I'm having difficulty extracting it from your various posts

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 19:24
Quote: "and religion is not allowed here*"


Of course. I'll quote Forrest Gump "That's all I have to say about that."

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 20:01 Edited at: 4th Jun 2011 00:17
Stormwire - If you were actually being serious, then you've done more harm with this thread than good by spreading around "adult" material (in your view), so give yourself a pat on the back.
Next time email a mod or TGC support if any of the google ads generate any "adult" content.

Zotoaster - No matter how strongly you disagree with somebody, please try and keep your discussion civil, being uncivil will only lead to the whole issue being blown out of proportion.

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Posted: 4th Jun 2011 00:23 Edited at: 4th Jun 2011 00:25
I didn't make myself clear before (and thanks to the member who emailed me) I think I need to clarify.

I do not condone the way either of you (Zotoaster or Stormwire) conducted your discussion in this thread. This is why the thread was locked.
Please keep your disagreements as civil as possible next time!

(As for the dumbass-O-meter, it was a joke, but sorry if it caused any offence. However if you want to donate some money for a replacement, I'll be happy to accept!)

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