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Geek Culture / London Riots.

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CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 14th Aug 2011 21:21
Excellent answer, explosives to stop explosions. Derp. There will be absolutely no collateral damage...at all.

Americans are much more...lenient to firearms. We don't want it at all in our cities, they're clearing it up now without them.

Eminent
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Posted: 14th Aug 2011 21:24
That wasn't literal you know. I'm just saying the police should be given the power to whack a guy with a nightstick if he's looting and burning houses down.


anayar
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Posted: 14th Aug 2011 21:28
Quote: " I'm just saying the police should be given the power to whack a guy with a nightstick if he's looting and burning houses down."

Actually, even in MN, which is liberal as hell and in the Northern part of the US, Police are instructed to shoot to injure if the suspect is destroying personal property or causing injury to personnel.

Im still wondering WHY the laws in Britain are so F'ed up??

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CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 14th Aug 2011 21:46
Quote: "Im still wondering WHY the laws in Britain are so F'ed up??"


Ummm...how?

If you guys actually watched these riots, you'd see the police rolling out in riot gear. I'm pretty sure they're allowed to sundue with force if necessary.

It's just that they're not allowed to open up on a crowd and kill them all.

Eminent
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Posted: 14th Aug 2011 23:15
If they actually were able to subdue with force, I'm quite sure a major newspaper would be yelling at them right now.


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Posted: 14th Aug 2011 23:26 Edited at: 14th Aug 2011 23:28
By force you mean beating them into a bloody pulp without mercy? Because that's the next step up from what there doing. I walked around Liverpool One, City centre- Which is linked to where all the riots are. I mean its literally a stones throw away) The police were out in force, i mean in any direction i looked or any place i went in liverpool one, i could see at least two armed cops.

Which makes it stupidly hard to steal stuff btw

Jokes aside, they had riot vans on standby in plain site, literally in the centre of town. They were talking to people discussing stuff, even seen a coked up dealer get chased and floored. (They walk around of a weekend trying to sell the crap to the drunk)

And to be honest it wasn't that bad. Everyone was being kept in check by the sheer presence of the police. If you started something there's about 10 officers within 5mins of you.

So yeah there doing a bang up job.

Libervurto
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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 00:47
Police were given permission to use rubber bullets and water cannons but they decided against it. We do actually have armed police but regular patrols don't carry firearms. Mark Duggan - the innocent, drug dealing gangster, who was waving a gun at the police but only got shot because he is brown - was killed by armed police, which started the first riot in Tottenham. The other riots had nothing to do with that but these people think they were sticking a finger up to the authorities when actually they were just burning their own high streets. Lucky you got those trainers because JD Sports wont be open for a long time.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 01:52 Edited at: 15th Aug 2011 01:53
Quote: "Police were given permission to use rubber bullets and water cannons but they decided against it."


I haven't heard quite yet. Why did they decide against using necessary force to stop what was blatantly random acts of violence?

Please don't tell me that they were simply afraid of bad rep from the media.


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Libervurto
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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 02:37
The only explanation I've heard (not from the police however) is they thought using rubber bullets and water cannons would only escalate the problem. How much worse could it get than tens of buildings burning and four people dead?

Fallout
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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 09:49
Quote: "The other riots had nothing to do with that but these people think they were sticking a finger up to the authorities when actually they were just burning their own high streets. Lucky you got those trainers because JD Sports wont be open for a long time."


That's very accurate. To misquote a saying: "Do not poo on your own doorstep". You'd obviously have to be completely retarded to do that. Oh ... *looks at rioters* ... hang on. Ahhhh. Makes sense now.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 09:51 Edited at: 15th Aug 2011 10:19
Quote: "Mark Duggan - the innocent, drug dealing gangster, who was waving a gun at the police but only got shot because he is brown - was killed by armed police, which started the first riot in Tottenham."


Yes. A poor innocent drug dealer (oxymoron anyone?). He only got shot because he was brown. Not because he was waving a gun around. I hate it that white people are allowed to wave guns in the direction of police without fear of reprisal.

Also, afaik, the original protest was peaceful, and the rioting was not condoned/started by the people in that protest.

Quote: "I haven't heard quite yet. Why did they decide against using necessary force to stop what was blatantly random acts of violence?"


At first the police were not allowed to use either of these options because it would violate the rioters human rights(at least that is how it has been portrayed on the news over here). It was only once it all quieted down that police were given this as an option. Too little, too late and a tokenistic gesture at best.

SpyDaniel
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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 10:11
Quote: "Please don't tell me that they were simply afraid of bad rep from the media."


They said they never used water cannons or rubber bullets because the crowds of rioters were not big enough to be used effectively.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 10:43
Quote: "At first the police were not allowed to use either of these options because it would violate the rioters human rights(at least that is how it has been portrayed on the news over here). It was only once it all quieted down that police were given this as an option. Too little, too late and a tokenistic gesture at best."


I think we are much like the Americans, in that we only adhere to human rights when it suits us. We're quite happy to ignore Europe when we need to. A case in point is the stop and search tactic, which is outlawed in the European court, but we just carry on doing it regardless, since it has successfully led to the prevention of many crimes and even terrorism.

The main reason why the cops didn't use force is at the start they were massively outnumbered. With all the cut backs, they simply would've had their heads smashed in, so they couldn't do anything. Once sufficient numbers had been organised (a few days later), they were able to disrupt the riots. I believe they made a call to disperse and stop the rioting, rather than getting heavy handed in an attempt to make maximum arrests.

The fact is, these scum hate cops. Giving them more reason to hate cops just makes the situation worse. If they arrested all of them, they'd have nowhere to put them due to prison overcrowding, so they'd get pathetic community service orders and things like that, which nobody would turn up for and nobody would enforce.

I feel sorry for cops. We really need to be paying more tax and it go SPECIFICALLY to the police and prison service.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 12:18
Thraxas, I'm pretty sure Obese was being sarcastic in that post, he knows he wasn't innocent

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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 13:10
I thought mine was sarcasm too. I fail.

Blobby 101
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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 15:15
Or maybe everyone else knew you were both being sarcastic and I fail? Who knows

Wolf
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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 15:32
I have no strong fealings whatsoever

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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 15:35
Quote: "I have no strong fealings whatsoever"

Diazepam?

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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 15:49
Whoever created war should

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anayar
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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 17:18 Edited at: 15th Aug 2011 17:18
Quote: "Whoever created war should (symbol for dieing)"

Yeah, but then thered be a riot about his death

Cheers,
Anayar

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Quote: "Diazepam?"

LMAO!


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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 18:09
Quote: "Whoever created war should "


Humans

Libervurto
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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 19:04
Yeah let's kill the person who invented war, he should pay for all the suffering he has caused! And if he retaliates, we'll just hit him back harder!

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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 19:08
I can't be sure because I wasn't there, but from all accounts I've heard I think that war was around before humans showed up.

Brian.

Wolf
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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 19:18
Quote: "Whoever created war should "


This was the most immature comment I ever red on these forums... and I red this:

Quote: " some zombies ran to you and you start shooting them (original...) then you jump and its like you have a really strange jump (100 FT) and the zombies are like "duuuh....".. you go into a balcony and the adventure continues "
(here, 4th post)



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Mugen Wizardry
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Immature my BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!

You can think what you want.

Cuz u know what's REALLY immature? WAR! :<

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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 20:05
^i love him, i'll take 5

Mugen Wizardry
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Thank you, Thank you. *bows* I'm available 24/6

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CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 20:09
Hold the brain damage...

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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 20:47
... You go on holiday for a week and London destroys itself?


Huh.

Mugen Wizardry
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Nope. I work on Tuesdays XD

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Posted: 15th Aug 2011 21:28 Edited at: 16th Aug 2011 02:13
Uhh... I don't think we can get the guy who came up with war... I mean, the first recorded war was in 2700 B.C.

Not that I like war. On topic... Whats happening in London annoys the living hell out of me, when ever I see some jackass bloating on the news about what they did I just want to punch the tv.



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Posted: 16th Aug 2011 00:39
I believe in the age old saying: "If you can't move, you can't riot." If they had rolled out with rubber bullets, water cannon, tear gas, ray cannon, etc. I bet the belligerence would have died down much faster.... and much less iPhones would have been stolen.


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