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Pincho Paxton
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Been around for years.. since RGT. Used Dark Basic now for about 9 years. It's about time this site was re-styled.. it's ancient. A company that is all about programming should have a well programmed site. This site has problems. The search is not all that good. After a search, the back button asks for your permission to resend that information, which is an impractical extra click. There are two HOME buttons that both do different things. There is an Nvidia forum from 2008. And the style is a bit old.

A programming Development Company, also involved in Graphic Design should have an amazing site!

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Not to mention the spelling mistakes on things like Inset an image.
xD!

And the fact there's no button to embed youtube videos (but there's a command for it) and nothing to tell you what languages are supporting (or even how to support them) under the code button.

Please don't ever change the file uploader though, I love it.

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The people that code the forums also code the programming languages. Would you rather time was spent on AGK/DBP and FPSC, or a site makeover on what essentially works?

The search works fine, just use the Google search which is best of breed. Again, why would you take your developers away from coding your product to reinvent the wheel?

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DJ Almix
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Posted: 26th Aug 2011 17:31 Edited at: 26th Aug 2011 17:32
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I feel like we always have one of these threads every 2 months or so. They usually begin with some basic feature requests and end with a want to do a large over haul on the website. I guess this thread is starting in the reverse direction.

Listen...

I wish they would update the website, but these threads always end with the mods saying over and over again "it's ok, we don't need fancy features, the site is fine in it's current boring state."

I vote that we should update the site.

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Quote: "The search works fine, just use the Google search which is best of breed. Again, why would you take your developers away from coding your product to reinvent the wheel?"


...and so it starts

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Quote: "Would you rather time was spent on AGK/DBP and FPSC, or a site makeover on what essentially works?"


Bit of a no-brainer really; software FTW!!

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I see no wrong with this forum: I prefer it to most "up to date forums" that has shoeloads of shoey buttons etc..

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Quote: "I see no wrong with this forum: I prefer it to most "up to date forums" that has shoeloads of shoey buttons etc..
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And those modern webforums often have designs that lag all aesthetics and humanity. Like some aliens design webpages now.

Keep this website the way it is.

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Pincho Paxton
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Well at least get rid of the resend data message. That's annoying.

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Posted: 26th Aug 2011 18:44
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Im yet to understand why people have any issues with these forums. I have visited "up to date" forums and really dont like them near as much as here. These forums are simple. Less is more.

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Quote: "The people that code the forums also code the programming languages. Would you rather time was spent on AGK/DBP and FPSC, or a site makeover on what essentially works?"


There are people on this forum who are or have been professional web developers (myself included) that I'm sure wouldn't mind lending a hand. I offered to build a mobile version of the forum, but they said they didn't want to mess with the existing code (which they wouldn't have had to). I actually made a mobile version already, it just won't support user login and posting (so read-only). I'd need their permission for that.


I'm fine with how the site is now, but a new refreshed look wouldn't hurt either. I find the main part of the site to feel a little cluttered.

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Quote: "The search works fine, just use the Google search which is best of breed"


Ok, you must be out of your mind. Google search on these forums is next to useless.

All I want is a section taht allows me to see a list of threads i have posted in, but not necessarily started. That's all I need and it's been many years since it was first requested!!


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Quote: "All I want is a section taht allows me to see a list of threads i have posted in, but not necessarily started. That's all I need and it's been many years since it was first requested!!"


must agree with that, but i wouldnt demand it exactly, just a little

"h-hi dear web.. web developers i j-just wonder c... can you implement th-this feature? w-wud be awesome"

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DJ Almix
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I think we need advanced search options, specific to sections, and if it's posts/threads or what have you.

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I really don't like this forum software personally, for certain reasons. I'm not going to list them all. It does what it needs to do, but I have issues with these two things:

Search: Since these boards are all about sharing information it would make sense for there to be a good search feature, but the current system is the worst there is. I'm guessing it does a literal string search since if you type multiple keywords it doesn't find anything unless that exact string is in a thread title. You can't search posts, and you can't search by user. The Google Forum Search is a bit better since it actually uses a keyword system, but other than that it's just as basic and not always very useful.

PM system: There is none. While some argue that it's not necessary (which to be fair is true, since very little is necessary for the boards to 'work') it would be beneficial for a multitude of reasons. For starters it allows people to contact you without sharing your private e-mail address with others which will most likely be picked up by web crawlers. Additionally it reduces abuse since you can just report a message, unlike with e-mail where you can't prove that someone sent you it. Lastly it'd be useful for warnings and other messages from moderators. Most of the time if you get warned or slapped you won't know about it unless they happen to mention it on the thread you posted on, and that still relies on you happening to visit that thread again.

There are other niggles but for me these are the most important things, with search coming first of course.

As for bugs, that's another topic for another day...



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I'm guessing the reason why there's no PM service, is the same reason why under 18s aren't allowed to share personal information, i.e. to prevent abuse (I think this has been pointed out before?)

As for the search function of the site, for me, the only frustrating part of it, is the titles of posts. Searching for thread titles would work if people posted decent thread titles!

How many times do the Mods have to tell people not to use unhelpfull thread titles, before people finally take notice?

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Quote: "I'm guessing the reason why there's no PM service, is the same reason why under 18s aren't allowed to share personal information, i.e. to prevent abuse (I think this has been pointed out before?)"


How's that? If you put your e-mail address on your profile you're even more open to abuse since no one can monitor the messages. And if you don't want others to contact you via PM, you just turn off that option.



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How easy/hard do you think it would be to spam someone with abusive PM messages? As for the monitoring, don't you think the Mods have got enough to do already? It's already been shown that self moderating doesn't work, judging by the amount of flame wars that have been going on lately.

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Quote: "How easy/hard do you think it would be to spam someone with abusive PM messages?"


Pretty hard, since all of the messages could be reported and then the offending user would be banned. It wouldn't require a lot of work from the moderators, really. Also you could just block the user, like you can do with e-mail.

Quote: "It's already been shown that self moderating doesn't work, judging by the amount of flame wars that have been going on lately."


Which forums are you talking about? These don't have self-moderating of any form.



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Quote: ". For starters it allows people to contact you without sharing your private e-mail address with others which will most likely be picked up by web crawlers."


most people on these forums share them, including you? dont know if it is the real one but the email button is there for a reason~~

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Quote: "Pretty hard, since all of the messages could be reported and then the offending user would be banned."


So you're saying allow the abuse and report it afterwards. How about not allowing the abuse to occur in the first place (i.e. no PM service)?

Quote: "It wouldn't require a lot of work from the moderators, really."


Considering the fact that the MODS are all unpaid volunteers and have their own lives and jobs outside of the forums, then yes, it would be a lot more work on top of what they do already.

Quote: "These don't have self-moderating of any form."


Exactly my point! The forum users have already demonstrated their inability to self moderate!

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Quote: "most people on these forums share them, including you? dont know if it is the real one but the email button is there for a reason~~"


I use an old e-mail address which I rarely check anymore. The only reason I leave it there is so that people at least have a chance to contact me. I hope most people aren't stupid enough to put their current active e-mail address on here.

Quote: "So you're saying allow the abuse and report it afterwards. How about not allowing the abuse to occur in the first place (i.e. no PM service)?"


Well in that case let's remove the e-mail button since that's even worse in that it allows abuse and you can't really report it.

Quote: "Considering the fact that the MODS are all unpaid volunteers and have their own lives and jobs outside of the forums, then yes, it would be a lot more work on top of what they do already."


Not really, as long as a proper report feature is added to the forums. If that's added the moderators don't have to spend all their time looking for where abuse might happen; it'll be up to the users to report it, which I'm sure they are well capable of. Moderating could probably be done by a small handful of people if this kind of system was implemented.

Quote: "The forum users have already demonstrated their inability to self moderate!"


It's only their inability because the forums don't support such functionality. I think you're calling the forum users idiots; I disagree. There are many clever, rational people here that would make the forums a better place if given the chance.



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Some things I would like added:

- Ads that take up over 50% of the screen
- Pop-ups that lead to malicious sites (1 popup per minute would be ideal)
- The Apture bar
- Flashy blinking emoticons that are twice as big as the originals
- Access to moderation/ban controls to all users
- Comic sans

Could a mod possibly consider adding these to the site please?

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Quote: "Well in that case let's remove the e-mail button since that's even worse in that it allows abuse and you can't really report it."


Or you could choose not to share your email address, simples!

Quote: "Not really, as long as a proper report feature is added to the forums. If that's added the moderators don't have to spend all their time looking for where abuse might happen; it'll be up to the users to report it, which I'm sure they are well capable of. Moderating could probably be done by a small handful of people if this kind of system was implemented."


Let's take a look at exactly what would be involved; first, the user has to click the report button. Then the MOD has to look through the conversation to see why the report button was clicked and if it was really necessary. Next he has to look at the offender's previous forum history, and if necessary, discuss it with the other MODs, in order to decide what action would be appropriate. Then he has to apply that action against the offender. Now multiply that by all the times the report button would potentially be clicked, then add it to all the other things the MOD has to do, as well as all their real life responsibilities. Sorry, but no matter how you try and spin it, it's still creating too much extra work for the MODs.

Quote: "I think you're calling the forum users idiots;"


I think you're seriously misrepresenting what I'm trying to say. I neither said, nor even implied that the forum users are idiots. When I talk about self moderation, I'm not talking about web site functionality, I'm talking about self control.

Yes, there's plenty of clever, rational people in the forums, unfortunately, it can be very difficult to make yourself heard amidst all the flamewars.

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Quote: "I use an old e-mail address which I rarely check anymore. The only reason I leave it there is so that people at least have a chance to contact me. I hope most people aren't stupid enough to put their current active e-mail address on here."


been on here for.. 3 years, had the same email on here, as iam using now. No spam etc for me =P

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While the forum itself works for me, the "search" is frustrating to use. And it's not just one more inconvenient click. It would be nice to check a number of the threads related to the search... but unfortunately you're unable to. Click on a thread and there is no way to go back without having to type in the search all over again.

The Codebase is such a great idea, but it really needs new submissions and we need to clear out the less than stellar or out of date examples.

I like the my account and products & serial/key stuff, and I hardly visit anywhere else on the site. A

At least this site and boards look better than an unnamed competitor!!!

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Quote: "It would be nice to check a number of the threads related to the search... but unfortunately you're unable to. Click on a thread and there is no way to go back without having to type in the search all over again. "


Middle Click Searched for topic opened in a new tab and the search result page still there ready for action.

Quote: " but these threads always end with the mods saying over and over again "it's ok, we don't need fancy features, the site is fine in it's current boring state.""


The mods don't own the site, so I'm pretty sure we don't get to have a say in what gets overhauled and what doesn't. And yes in my opinion in its current 'boring' the site is fine.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. This is my favourite forum to use.

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Pincho Paxton
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Quote: "I've said it before and I'll say it again. This is my favourite forum to use."


And if search was fixed it would be even better. I don't see how adding something can take something away? How can fixing the search make the site worse?

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@Thraxas,

Yeah, I know I can right click and open in new tab, just I tend to forget to do that on my initial search every single time.

And sometimes overhauls turn out bad. I quite enjoyed the look and feel of the Playstation forum years ago. Then came the overhaul and I can remember at the time, all of the confusion and complaints. I still miss the old forum style, which was closer to what we have here.

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Please update the forums so that we must send out hand written mail to submit a post and this mail must be signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, lost, found, queried, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighter.

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Another thing that is seriously lacking here, is the abiltiy to float boards to the top. And/or hide boards.

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Quote: "And if search was fixed it would be even better. I don't see how adding something can take something away? How can fixing the search make the site worse?"


I never said it wouldn't.

@zenassem
If you middle click it automatically opens a new tab and stays on the search page. No right clicking necessary. I'm assuming that you access the forum on a computer with a mouse wheel to click.

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I don't get it. A handful of the people here think that the forums are fine but equally as many people complain about it. I personally agree that the search function needs improvement and I don't see how improving the search function could possibly be a problem as some users are against it for some reason.

If you think that the forums are fine, then that's fine but what about the other 50% that would gladly see an improvement? If only the search function would be improved, everyone would be happy, I just can't see the problem, please explain for me how improvement can possibly cause problems.

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Im go out on a limb and say somethng that is just plain business common sense. Your web site is your business card. If your solely a online company, your website is not only your business card but your showroom floor as well. Right now your showroom says Indie gaming company and 1990's. I enjoy the 90's and duke nukem was a awsome game from the 90's but just stating the facts. You can take it as a bash or take it and learn something from it. Im not trying to be harsh but these are statements even your own staff has taught us as "newbs" in the industry. I personaly took the staff members advice many times my self and have begun to come into my own using their advice. Im not rich or famos but my work has improved drasticly as well as my level of professionalism. So there you go, food for thought. You say site is good and software is more important. But your paycheck aka us the audeince disagrees. Tough call to make.
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I'm not against change. Im just against change simply for changes sake. Just because forum software 'x' has features that this doesn't, doesn't make this forum bad or in need of a change. To all those complaining about the search function, when using the google search function what is it that you can't find?

Anyway this horse has been flogged many times so I'll say no more on the subject. Just can't help but wonder why the people who like this forum software the way it is are always seen to be 'wrong' though...

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This...
Quote: "I'm not against change. Im just against change simply for changes sake. Just because forum software 'x' has features that this doesn't, doesn't make this forum bad or in need of a change. To all those complaining about the search function, when using the google search function what is it that you can't find?

Anyway this horse has been flogged many times so I'll say no more on the subject. Just can't help but wonder why the people who like this forum software the way it is are always seen to be 'wrong' though..."


Contradicts this...
Quote: "I never said it wouldn't. "


And that's another thing that needs changing. The quotes go to end of line, instead of where I click. Same with images, and links. And no auto-quote button.

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The problem is.. That we don't want change just for the sake of changing things. We want to change things that we don't find comfortable enough, is that too much to ask for?

About the search:

-be able to search for users
-be able to filter by forum board
-be able to sort by thread name, posts, author, view and last post

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Quote: "Just because forum software 'x' has features that this doesn't, doesn't make this forum bad or in need of a change"

Nobody has suggested this. In fact, very few people have asked for new features at all. They just want the existing ones to work properly.

It seems requests for fixes often get met with "Thread search is no good? Use Google." or "File Uploader is buggy as heck? Use Mediafire." If we're going to go that route at least get rid of the less-than-functional stuff, don't just leave it up to confuse newcomers.

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Just give me firefox support and i'll be happy. I have to use chrome which irritates me. I've started just ignoring threads that open blank.


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Laz, I don't know what you are talking about, but I have 0 problems with firefox.
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I don't know why it does it but it does. Search firefox and there's a few recent threads on the forums hanging. I made a thread on it last time. On random threads and the forum list it just hangs loading or stops halfway through. I've fresh installed firefox twice and now im running the newest version. (win 7 64bit)


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Quote: "This...
Quote: "I'm not against change. Im just against change simply for changes sake. Just because forum software 'x' has features that this doesn't, doesn't make this forum bad or in need of a change. To all those complaining about the search function, when using the google search function what is it that you can't find?

Anyway this horse has been flogged many times so I'll say no more on the subject. Just can't help but wonder why the people who like this forum software the way it is are always seen to be 'wrong' though..."

Contradicts this...
Quote: "I never said it wouldn't. ""

That does not contradict what he is saying. He's not saying change would necessarily be a bad thing... He's saying it's not necessary to begin with. An improved search function won't ruin anything, but it's just not necessary.

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Quote: "Just give me firefox support and i'll be happy. I have to use chrome which irritates me. I've started just ignoring threads that open blank."


Quote: "Laz, I don't know what you are talking about, but I have 0 problems with firefox."


Just upgrade to Chrome and stop living in the past.

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It's true that improvement isn't strictly necessary, but that does not mean it would not have great benefits.



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Posted: 28th Aug 2011 00:31
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Why on earth would people be opposed to positive changes? That's just silly.

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old_School
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Posted: 28th Aug 2011 00:34 Edited at: 28th Aug 2011 00:40
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Again Im point out a few things. Yes this topic has been beat to death. Your right as well no need to change if change is not needed. Here is the facts. In the past 9 years or how ever long this form system has been used, the world has updated its self several times and moved forward.

I use IPB, I use to use VB for forum system. The update all the time and costs a large amount upfront. But well worth the investment to keep a attractive website and one that appears to be modern. No secret here you guys do games. Awsome. When I think of games, I think cutting edge tech or something leading the way.

When I visit the TGC forums, I think ventage or retro. Retro is cool for T-shirts not somethng a gaming company wants their audeince to get the impression about. i also know this is a sensative topic for TGC and the TGC staff because you feel were bashing TGC. To be honest yes were all constructively saying your form system is outdated and needs replaced. In a nutshell your using a dinosour form system. We try to put it nicely of course but thats the God's to honest truth.

I understand build something right so it lasts. Great idea, I have a PC 8 years old I built still works great but I dont use it for much. The forum system you built here how many years ago 8 or what ever is great and Im sure was great 8 or how many years ago you built it. Just like IE6, my fav IE ever released love it. But its useless now.

So the point is, the forums clearly need updated along with the entire site to reflect TGC in modern times. Right now its like stepping back into 1999 or something revisiting my Sr. year in High school. I hated high school. So lets bring TGC into the 21st centry. Lets show people why TGC is still going strong and show people you have a modern design.

You want my honest advice on what a good Games site looks like in modern day. EA Games, Torque, Blizzard and others. Amazing sites. My fav site is likely the most simple but amazing. Microsoft, something just very artistic about the simple elgiance of MS site. I love visting it and the MSDN. these are sites TGC should be mixing in with since this is a Tech/Gameing site.

Now I'm going to sound rude for a molment but please hear me out because its a hard truth. Ive seen 10 year olds design sites more appealing and more modern this TGC currently. Granted the child had Dream Weaver and Fireworks but thats the point. You guys are grown men and women conducting a professional business.

Now I know making a site is a pain in the butt as well. I suggest a competion or something. Give away a free game or software tool or something to the best site design. The people hear clearly state they will help TGC. So I suggest you take advantage of your fantastic group of followers and kindly support them as they support you. If I had a faithful following of people like TGC, Id be throwing parties and events all the time. I never seen a more faithful bunch of peps on any website. So TGC is truely blessed with a great group of people. So I recomend you use that to your advantage. Just some food for thought.
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Plystire
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Posted: 28th Aug 2011 03:58
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Quote: "@zenassem
If you middle click it automatically opens a new tab and stays on the search page. No right clicking necessary. I'm assuming that you access the forum on a computer with a mouse wheel to click."


And... I learned something today.


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Posted: 28th Aug 2011 16:22
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Quote: "EA Games, Torque, Blizzard"


EAGames webbsite is really a pain in the butt, torque is mweh, Blizzard is good but it has the same design as of 5+ years ago ~~

and for the record, I am a man.

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Kevin Picone
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Posted: 28th Aug 2011 17:47 Edited at: 28th Aug 2011 18:52
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What's this obsession with more modern ? given that styling is subjective, I'd much rather solid functionality over "look at my shiny ball" any day.


Hmm, I wonder what's coming in 2011?
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Jeku
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Posted: 28th Aug 2011 18:19
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Maybe it is time to add a few new small features and bug fixes here and there? The number one requested feature so far is a better search? That appears to be a big task, but I can put a few hours into that and surely have something better than his there now. Any other fixes or improvements that won't take a ton of time?


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