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Quik
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Posted: 5th Sep 2011 18:57
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Quote: "Only for a single post. IMO I'd rather scroll than have the image resized. Resized images are generally a waste of visitor's time. If it didn't need to be large it usually isn't posted that way."


I dont fancy scrolling at all...

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2011 19:21 Edited at: 5th Sep 2011 19:21
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... but you'd have to click to see what's in the thumbnail, and then scroll anyway


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wouldnt mind that, but i have a really small screen, so scrolling to read what people says (scrolling side back and forth) is a pain >__<' and that is what we have atm

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2011 19:49
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Quote: "wouldnt mind that, but i have a really small screen, so scrolling to read what people says (scrolling side back and forth) is a pain >__<' and that is what we have atm"


No, I agree that sucks. That's why I say just have the image or single post itself be affected leaving the rest alone.


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Quote: "I think we were against, but if you want to be for, I can edit the book to replace all occurences of "Sucks" to "Awesome"."

Ah yes, now I remember my hatred for Comic Sans!!
It's such an arrogant font, calling itself "Comic", it's unbearable.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2011 23:14
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Quote: "Not really. Google site search sucks. I wonder if you guys have ever actually tried to use it."


Yes, like I said I use it and find 95% of what I'm looking for.

Here's some examples to help people out:

+DBP -Classic

Find DBP AND not Classic in result

+(DBP DBPro) -Classic

Find DBP OR DBPro AND not Classic

"MOVE OBJECT LEFT"

Find exact phrase (won't find MOVE OBJECT)

"MOVE OBJECT LEFT" +"MOVE OBJECT RIGHT" +bug

Find all posts with bug which may or may not have the first exact phrase included and must have the second phrase.

As you can see, it gets very powerful very quickly, I could go on but I think that's enough to realise it's strengths.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2011 23:36 Edited at: 5th Sep 2011 23:39
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Really hate to sound rude on this topic but TGC you need to hire a professional to redo the site. You have a mountain of GUI issues as well as security issues on your site. Because updating has not been an option for well the dawn of its creation, it appears to be suffering everywhere. To expect one person who clearly does not even understand web design to redo the entire site is madness. First thing will point out GUI wise. I’m in no way a web designer but I have dabbed. I also consulted with a friend several times who is a pro about CSS on many discussions. CSS I guess is very critical these days to everything. There is a mountain of other things that need to be consider as well like my personal credit card information and everyone else’s.

You see a website is only as secure as the guy who built it. If the original builder built it 5 years ago or more, it could be cracked and taken over in less than 1 minute. Great example my friend who cracks sites for a living. He cracks multimillion dollar company web sites and shows them how he broke in. Most recently he broke in to a college, my old college to be more direct. Now that honestly hit home for me because he showed me my credit information. Soc and other personal information that was “secure”. So I have to ask, how secure do you really think the site is? Do you think its secure enough to withstand a possible lawsuit from people suing because you did not update the security? Of course this is a unlikely event we all hope but we all also trust that you do keep the site updated.

This is why I’m recommending you at least consult a true professional and do not rely on someone who does not know all the details.I understand budgets but I also understand spend a little so you don’t end up spending a lot in the future. Realistically the website and forums appear to be interlay connected as one and likely connect into a single form at some point. Again I’m no expert but that sounds fairly unsecure. I’m not trying to create a mass panic here but these are simple facts and truths you really need to consider. In the end this is a business and you need to protect it.
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Hmm...maybe a stability and security update but keeping the websites design? If anything, that would be the most reasonable to me.

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The problem is that there really isn't staff for the website. It was very nice that Jeku added the syntax highlighter, but we can't expect him to add major points of functionality to the site, because it's not his job. Yes functional Google searching would be a great idea, or PM's and the like, but TGC is understaffed in this regard and there's nothing we can do about it. I am happy that the site is as stable and straightforward as it is.

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Quote: "The problem is that there really isn't staff for the website. It was very nice that Jeku added the syntax highlighter, but we can't expect him to add major points of functionality to the site, because it's not his job. Yes functional Google searching would be a great idea, or PM's and the like, but TGC is understaffed in this regard and there's nothing we can do about it. I am happy that the site is as stable and straightforward as it is."


Lets agree with this statement and get it over with!

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Posted: 6th Sep 2011 03:13
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Quote: "To expect one person who clearly does not even understand web design to redo the entire site is madness."


First of all, if you're talking about me, I'm definitely not redoing the entire site You have to separate web design from web security. If there is a security risk or hole in this site, then it would be addressed *immediately*. Don't worry about that. These things we're addressing in this particular thread are all about features and annoying bugs that are not security related.

I have sent an email to TGC to get a new version of the site code and I'll be updating it this week during the night when I'm off work

I would love to make a list of features and bugs to fix, so I can go through them one at a time. Unfortunately because I'm NOT a designer, and I'm not a CSS wizard, design issues (table layouts, fonts, colours, etc.) will not be dealt with by me.

These are the things that I want to take care of, in no specific order, because they're things that I have some idea on how to tackle:

Proper search
Keeping image width and height down, and allowing the user to click to have them expand
Fixing the Text buttons to insert the BB code at the cursor position instead of the end of the post

Anything else that immediately sticks out?


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Posted: 6th Sep 2011 04:26 Edited at: 6th Sep 2011 04:33
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it's worth noting that the screenshot gallery here has image resize functionality that doesn't appear to require download of the full-sized image.

this entry produces a 156k 1024x1024 jpg while the original 541kb, 1280x1280 version of the image remains available.

now, i don't know what kind of overhead this requires (as resized images may be stored) but if it's possible to tap into the resize functionality of the gallery (maybe on the fly?), it may assist in a solution.

on the same subject, one niggling issue with the forums regarding images as attachments is it's lack of case recognition. namely clicking a *.jpg attachment will present it as an image within apollo while clicking a *.JPG attachment launches my systems default php editor. see attached:

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Posted: 6th Sep 2011 04:29
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Quote: "I think being able to see a user's post history, instead of just threads they made, is a pretty important one. You should be able to reuse existing code for that after all."

Could you still possibly work on implementing this one Jeku? I know it's a fairly large project, but like I said you could possibly reuse code based on the existing thread search functionality.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2011 05:34
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Quote: "it's worth noting that the screenshot gallery here has image resize functionality that doesn't appear to require download of the full-sized image."


Those images are stored on the TGC servers. The overhead of saving a smaller version of every single picture linked on the forums here would be kind of crazy, so we'd have to have the user download the full image.


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Posted: 6th Sep 2011 11:51
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Another bug is when you edit your post, don't change anything and submit, it causes your edit to be seen on all the post message boxes along with an error on each page you go to until your session expires or you make another post/edit.

I think your solution for images as you thought it out is perfect Jeku.


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Copying code is quite hard, you have to scroll up, and the scroll is too fast. Double click code to select it would be better.

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Quote: "Copying code is quite hard, you have to scroll up, and the scroll is too fast."


The scroll speed isn't controlled by the site that is a client side thing, you can change that in Control Panel.

But I agree double click to select all code, or maybe a button in the top right of the code block, so you can click it and it adds the text to your clipboard.

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Ah, now that I think of it you could use google search to sort of implement a post history search if you knew enough about the post you wanted to see. The only problem with that is you have to have the default posts per page setting, otherwise your user account settings take effect and redirect you to a completely different page. Hopefully this can be fixed, until then I'm going to the default 20 (I think it was 20).

Sorry to bother you with that Jeku.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2011 23:24 Edited at: 6th Sep 2011 23:28
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Quote: " Double click code to select it would be better"

triple-clicking code has worked for me all along (under IE8&9).

try triple-clicking anywhere on the first line of characters:


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Posted: 7th Sep 2011 00:00 Edited at: 7th Sep 2011 00:02
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Dunno if it's been mentioned before or not (might even already already exist ?) , but It seems that forum doesn't do enough to make new users aware that they're on post moderation.

So perhaps when parser inserts the post form, it tweaks the form for them. This could be as simple as a message besides the POST MESSAGE button, or a big flashing pop up .. erm... maybe not


Hmm, I wonder what's coming in 2011?
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Quote: "triple-clicking code has worked for me all along (under IE8&9)."


learnt something new!

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If you middle click it automatically opens a new tab and stays on the search page. No right clicking necessary. I'm assuming that you access the forum on a computer with a mouse wheel to click.
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Just replaced my mouse actually. But below my touchpad I have a middle-button,, I just never, ever utilized it, nor noticed it until now!. Thanks for the tip.

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Posted: 7th Sep 2011 02:22 Edited at: 7th Sep 2011 02:24
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try triple-clicking anywhere on the first line of characters:"


Doesn't work on Firefox. It just selects a line of code, but if I keep that line of code, and hold shift, and move to the bottom, and then triple click again it works. But that's quite a lot to do, and it takes a lot of attempts to get right.

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Quote: "Doesn't work on Firefox. It just selects a line of code, but if I keep that line of code, and hold shift, and move to the bottom, and then triple click again it works. But that's quite a lot to do, and it takes a lot of attempts to get right."


On Chrome you can just click at the start of the code, then hold shift and click at the end of the code and it selects it all, no triple clicks required. A simple 'copy to clipboard' link/button would be very handy though.



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Another request, can you make the character limit for signatures longer? Long links (such as those produced by these forums) take up almost the entire 200 character limit.

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Quote: "On Chrome you can just click at the start of the code, then hold shift and click at the end of the code and it selects it all, no triple clicks required. A simple 'copy to clipboard' link/button would be very handy though."


Ahh that works!

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Quote: "On Chrome you can just click at the start of the code, then hold shift and click at the end of the code and it selects it all, no triple clicks required."


That's handy (for any site), top tip for the day

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Works in Firefox as well...

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Doesn't that work for just about anything on a PC or Mac? Maybe I'm missing something.


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Yes, it does.



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Sorry to bump this thread, but how about we give users the ability to modify the titles in their threads? Yes, I remember reading that it was taken away due to it being abused, but how about giving the community another chance and putting it back? And if somebody continues to abuse it, they can be moderated, or banned if it's bad enough.

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It'd be too confusing having a popular thread suddenly 'disappear' because of changing its title completely. Having it allowed for only a few minutes after posting would be useful however.



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Yus, to fux teh speilling mistokes that happon sumtimes.

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Uxactly! Or maybe you named it wrong, you come up with a more efficient, shorter name etc. Would be great to have a "5 minutes title change" thing!

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Quote: "Proper search
Keeping image width and height down, and allowing the user to click to have them expand
Fixing the Text buttons to insert the BB code at the cursor position instead of the end of the post

Anything else that immediately sticks out?
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how about when you quote somebody's post is says something like:

Brendy Boy says: Blah blah blah

instead of:
Quote: Blah blah blah

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how about when you quote somebody's post is says something like:"


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Brendy Boy says: Blah blah blah

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I am not at all sure what you mean, are you suggesting to take away the: Quote? If so then i must say that i do not agree =/

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I would like to be able to tunnel quote, sometimes it can be hard to see if there are two quotes inside the quote box.

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No, i mean't to suptitute the "Quote" word with the username of the user who is being quoted

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I think he means something like this:



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oh i see
now that would actually be pretty nice

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Just remembered a bug in the editor. You can't edit a post to change a letter to a capital. So this incorrect line cannot be fixed, and you are asked to Re-Edit your post.

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I fixed your error without it telling me it was wrong.

I shall try to edit my incorrect case and see what it says.

EDIT

Yes I could change yours but not mine... well not without adding italic tags

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Yeah but we are coders, not bodgers.

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Thaxas: I so love your signature <3

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I don't. I like Thraxas as a person, but I don't like him as poster


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I have to agree Thraxas' signature also. I like him as a person, but he isn't a very good poster. I can't find any Blu-Tack strong enough to keep him on my wall!

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I use sellotape personally...

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i use firefox and have no problems as well. though i never use the google search here before but i always use the thread search all the time.

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Quote: "I have to agree Thraxas' signature also. I like him as a person, but he isn't a very good poster. I can't find any Blu-Tack strong enough to keep him on my wall!"


Quote: "I use sellotape personally..."


Quote: "I use firefox and have no problems as well"



I find this slightly amusing.. X)

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