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Geek Culture / 9/11, Ten Years Later.

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crispex
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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 06:13
I know this is a bit early, but I figure we can discuss things.

9/11 happened 10 years ago. Seems like a lifetime ago. I remember, I was sitting in class, when kids started getting early dismissals. My school was fairly close to home, about 3 minutes, actually. I heard my name get called over the intercom, along with my brother and my best friend. His father had rode down with my father to pick us up. When I asked my dad, "what's going on dad?" He looked in the mirror, and said, "We're going to war."

I didn't know what it meant. I had no clue. It wasn't until I got home. Family was sitting in the living room, watching the TV. I was watching, and saw one of the towers on fire. 5 minutes later, I witnessed the other plane go in. Our family, myself, friend, and brother included, burst into tears when the we saw the video panning in and showed the people jumping out. Anyone who knows me, knows that I'm not a real emotional person, very cold and distant, some would say. I was in tears. Mainly because I was scared, but in a way, seeing people jump to their deaths left a lasting impact on me, and anyone else unfortunate enough to witness it.

10 years ago. Despite my political beliefs, as seen on these forums in many heated debates, I can truly say I am proud of the efforts by those who saved others and went into those falling buildings. They did what I couldn't due, and that was be brave. While everyone else was evacuating, the firefighters and police officers were running up those stairs to find and save people. Even as the buildings started to fall, they stayed back and helped lift 500lb chunks of concrete off of their fallen comrades. For that, I offer my deepest respect.

To the military, despite my beliefs, you too do what I am not brave enough to do. You guys never asked for war. Nobody ever asks for it. Xplosys, I sincerely, without any strings attached, apologize for what I said. What I said was not wanted to be heard, and what I said was irresponsible, rude, and offensive. I let my political stance insult people who have nothing to do with it.

This thread is not about politics. It's NOT about conspiracies either. It's about paying respect to those who are brave, and who sacrificed their lives for others. This thread is not for political debate, it's not for religious debate, and it's not for debate about war, etc. It's about respect, and nothing else.

So, what were you guys doing and thinking when 9/11 was happening?


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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 07:17
I was quite young, all I knew was that a plane crashed into the twin towers. I think I had just gone to school. Whenever my mom tells me about that day she says she turned on the tv just to see the second plane hit the building, that's about all I can remember. I do know I was a firefighter the following Halloween, I assume my parent's suggestion for that had to do with 9/11.



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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 07:21
most pointless war ever...

I was 8 when it happened so i didnt understand ANYTHING at the time... didnt even understand why we held a quiet minute for everyone

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 07:42
I was 11 at the time. I just remember my mom waking me up at around 7am or so and turning on the news for me and watching the planes crumble the towers over, and over again.

Horrific day and I give my condolences to everyone who lost a loved one that day.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 08:17
I was in homeroom at school when it was happening.

It never left a lasting effect on me, probably because I only ever saw it on TV. My mind doesn't take TV seriously, not even the news. I knew it was happening, that it was real... but deep down it didn't effect me anymore than a bad movie.


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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 08:32
I remember coming home and my parents were watching then news. Apparently my dad was watching it live when the second plane hit.


People, let's not turn this into a political debate.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 09:59 Edited at: 8th Sep 2011 10:01
I was opening our local Food Closet to help the needy on that day. When I was opening the gate to let people in everybody around me was paranoid that terrorists were going to crash into our town next. I told them "Don't worry. Nobody is going to attack our little town.". I was amazed at how scared they were.

The part I don't like is how slow our government was to help the people that cleaned up ground zero with free medical treatment. The Republicans tried to stop it... and when they finally did allow the bill to pass they added that the people have to prove they aren't terrorists before they get any free medical treatment... and of course they refused to add cancer to the list of things they do cover.





http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-july-28-2011/i-thought-we-already-took-care-of-this-s--t

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I was stationed in Germany (Army) when it happened. I was on my way to a military hospital to get stitches removed from my gums (failed root canal). When I pulled into the base we were at ThreatCon Bravo (the threat condition level goes from Alpha to Delta, Delta being the worst possible condition); and I thought to myself "great, another training exercise; now I'll be late". When I went into the hospital, I heard a call for all security personnel to report to their stations. I went into the dental emergency wing, and saw the Colonel running the place. He asked what I was doing there; when I told him he said "don't you know what's going on man?" When I told him "no"; he directed me to the TV everyone was watching. At that time we thought they had hit the Pentagon, State Dept and the Towers. I asked him if he still wanted to do the procedure; to which he replied "yeah; hurry up and sit down" (never saw my dental records after that day, again).

As I was driving back to my area on the Autobahn, I noticed all the American plated cars driving faster than the Germans (which was unusual); of course I knew why at that point. When I got back to my housing area, we were at ThreatCon Charlie; so I made a split decision to run to Burger King and grab the biggest burger they had, because I knew whatever was coming next, it may be awhile till I ate again. Once I pulled into housing, the gates were closed and we went to full ThreaCon Delta...no one in or out of any bases. This was all over Europe at that time.

While I was waiting at my house for the permission to report to my barracks; I watched everything on TV. It was extremely gut-wrenching to watch. I was EXTREMELY angry at that point in time. My wife and only child at the time, had just flown to the States 2 days prior to 9/11. She was pretty shaken up on the phone about it all; I told her she may have to stay home indefinitely, as that was safer for her.

When I got the call to report, I did so right away. Most of my Company was gone on maneuvers at the time; so those that remained were on Guard Duty for at least 12 hours a day, everyday. I was assigned to our housing area; where we marched back and forth....rain or shine with our weapons, guarding our families. No one complained, for obvious reasons. We were ALL angry, and wanted nothing more but to make those that did this pay with their lives.

People really came together after that; the support from the local German people was amazing, as was the help from the German Polizei; who supplemented our forces at our gates.

I'll never forget that time; before Iraq happened. People of the World really came together.

-Keith

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 18:11
Quote: "and wanted nothing more but to make those that did this pay with their lives."


*shivers* yeah... that makes you guys sound a lot betterr than those who did it..

Not that i want this to turn into a death punishment thread but still, in my ears that sounds just like any other murderer

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 18:32
I was 7 when this happened, me and my dad wanted to go to America that very day. We had our bags packed and were getting ready to go when we overheard the news. Our flight was canceled, and I've never had the chance to go to America ever since...

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 18:50
Quote: "*shivers* yeah... that makes you guys sound a lot betterr than those who did it..

Not that i want this to turn into a death punishment thread but still, in my ears that sounds just like any other murderer"


....and here comes the inflammatory posts. Added a negative mark to your profile. Keep it up, if you want to take a break from here.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 18:53
Mainly stating my opinion in that matter, but yes i will keep out of that discussion

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 18:58
That's good; because I'm pretty much done with members who've been here longer than a few weeks always skirting the AUP in threads like these. It is much easier for me to straight out remove your posts, and ban you; than to carry on a debate and pollute a thread like this. This goes for ANY thread. Only warning people, it's not up for debate; don't like it, find somewhere else to post your "opinions".

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Quote: "That's good; because I'm pretty much done with members who've been here longer than a few weeks always skirting the AUP in threads like these. It is much easier for me to straight out remove your posts, and ban you; than to carry on a debate and pollute a thread like this. This goes for ANY thread. Only warning people, it's not up for debate; don't like it, find somewhere else to post your "opinions"."


Yes, i understand...

And yeah, i did sound a bit like an idiot, I may apologise for that.. but i do feel very strongly in that area... Like i said sorry and i shall keep out of this thread from now

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 19:12
I would suggest to lock this thread (not your fault at all Crispex) because this won't go without a political discussion...and after ten years...there isn't anything left to say.



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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 19:15
Not going to lock it; just going to moderate anyone who wishes to relay anything other than the spirit of the thread that Crispex started this thread in. It's that easy; no one's forcing anyone to post.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 19:19
Quote: "So, what were you guys doing and thinking when 9/11 was happening?
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When it happened, I was on vacation with my parents and they broadcasted it on the radio. We though it would be an ad for a new movie. Later in the hotelroom we switched on the tv and it was on all the newschannels.

@Keith: Where exactly where you stationed?



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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 19:25
@ Wolf: I was stationed in Mannheim, for about 3 years.

@Comet: Your post has been removed, and you've been moderated.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 19:34 Edited at: 8th Sep 2011 19:37
When it happened I was thinking of my ancient friend Hegelian apparently hes a dialectic, which is quite a serious condition for those hard of thinking.

[quote to Quik] Added a negative mark to your profile[/quote]
Negative marks, wow, How many evil points have I got, and exactly How does the naughty step system work?


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on a friendly note, any grudges aside: On the time as was at school i believe ,atleast when i heard about it... and i didnt really understand much... considering i was 8 at the time. We held a quiet minute.. which i thought was silly: today i would understand it a lot better, needless to say(After seeing the documentry from Utoya and Oslo events recenty i would say that i understand it more than ever)

I wish i had a bigger mind at the time, I never was any good with relating to such events but that's terrible.. just terrible: i remember seeing some footage and until then i ddint really understand it, but once i saw the footage... man i was crushed lol, it was terrible indeed.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 19:46
I was off school actually...so it must've been a saturday. Of course, early morning for you was midday for us. Surprisingly, it was a beautiful day over here, especially for a September.

I was seven, I saw the towers go down, I noticed how worried my parents were, but, being seven, I just went back out to play.

I think the people with the most visceral reactions are obviously going to be the Americans on here. I'll be honest, by the time I was old enough to understand it, the effects of 9/11 had boiled down to a stalemate in the Middle East, and calls to pull British troops out. Part of me's sad that such a major event flew by me like that. A massive other part, is happy, because it didn't ruin my life, like it did for so many others.

I know I often point out how Americans are gun-happy, the old pistol-toting yank stereotype we have here. But if Big Ben were hit in the same way, I do not doubt for a second our army would've had record recruitment levels that year. I don't think anybody can see something like that happen to their people, and not want revenge.

Sure, we can rebuild, we can instate new democracies in destitute countries, and pull love and tolerance into the fray. But hey, there's some roadblocks to that pipe dream, who want to go down taking plenty of people with them.

I still find it funny, how people are so shellshocked, so unwilling to admit what happened. I mean, conspiracy theorists pull ever scheme out of their behind, because the idea of America being vulnerable, its army accidentally letting one through the net? It simply doesn't compute, that's why I don't believe 9/11 conspiracists.

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I didn't know about it until a few hours after the incident when I was walking in the door after school (I was only 7 at the time). I was so excited because my birthday was the next day, but that excitement didn't last long. My mom never actually told me what was going on, but I eventually found out. I can't completely remember what my reaction was too it, but I do remember feeling relieved that no one I knew was injured.

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@Fallen: You have a few. Here's a link to the section of the Master Thread that explains member moderation.

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@KeithC: Oh! I've never been there...there are queit a few US Army bases in germany

Hey, do I have any nasty points, btw?



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You have two bad and one good.

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I was glued to the tv when it happened (I was 30 at the time), the feelings of shock and disbelief at what I was seeing, I can't even begin to describe. I remember feeling anger as well, my thoughts being along the lines of 'I hope the b*stards who did this burn in hell'.

Now, with the 10th anniversary approaching, I find myself glued to the tv all over again. This time however, the anger has been replaced by a great sense of sorrow at the stories of the people who were affected on that day, and who's lives are still dominated by it.

One story in particular caught my attention; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14439342, the story of Arty Van Why. One of the 'forgotten majority', who either survived the attack, or witnessed it....

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speaking of posts.. how many neg thingies do i have?

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My parents were totally devastated by it. They both lived in NYC until they had me, and even now we only live like five hours away from the city.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 20:59 Edited at: 8th Sep 2011 21:03
I wish the media would stop making it out to be the end of the world, it happened. Yes, we can pay our respects.. But get lost with smashing it in my face every year.
I mean lord, there's been more deaths and horrors in the civil war in Libia, but nobody seems to give a damn about that.

Anyways, more on subject and my endless hate for American media aside.. I was on a trip at the time, came home. Turned on the TV, and laughed my head off at the 'movie' where people were screaming. Never knew what it was until later, but I don't believe I was too phased about it either. But that's just me in general really, not to mention I was about eight at the time. Like I had a clue how much it'd "impact the world".

EDIT: Call me insenstive, but in my opinion there's worse things going on right now we should focus on, instead of tearing open old wounds for no reason.
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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 21:01 Edited at: 8th Sep 2011 21:01
Quote: "Now, with the 10th anniversary approaching, I find myself glued to the tv all over again. This time however, the anger has been replaced by a great sense of sorrow at the stories of the people who were affected on that day, and who's lives are still dominated by it."

I tried watching a 9/11 interview just yesterday. But I found it simply too hard to do. It was too depressing and definitely brought back immediate memories of when it happened.
Even when I was only 11 at the time, I still had the anger everyone else did at the time. Now the anger has turned into sorrow as you have said as well.

Quote: "*shivers* yeah... that makes you guys sound a lot betterr than those who did it..

Not that i want this to turn into a death punishment thread but still, in my ears that sounds just like any other murderer"

Wow easily the most immature post I've read all week. If you can take the lives of THOUSANDS of innocent people, you aren't human and deserve the same fate. It's simply an inhumane act and there is nothing they deserve less than death.

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I think about it all the time, there will be a few nights in every month were I fall asleep thinking about the people on the planes, the people stuck in the burning buildings and the emergency service workers who went in to help people.

I was 22 when it happened, my outlook on politics, mainly foreign policy, has changed alot since then, I don't know how much that has to do with 9/11 but I suspect it's alot.

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Quote: "Wow easily the most immature post I've read all week. If you can take the lives of THOUSANDS of innocent people, you aren't human and deserve the same fate. "


This opinion varies MASSIVELY from person to person, I personally cant believe that US still has death penalty: I dont believe the goverment has anymore right to decides who dies than I have.

After watching the movie "Dead Man Walking" my opinion has simply grown bigger on the matter. Iam not here to discuss that however, not anymore anyway. I believe we had a thread that divided into that a while ago, I got my opinions on that out there aswell. I have already apologised for that post: as i said, I didnt really think before posting.

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This was a watershed moment for the US, but it was not a unique moment. History will view this event differently in a hundred years off course. It was shocking that much is true. It was not just news, we became witness because of live TV. The number of people who dead that day was not outstanding or how they died, but how we saw the events as they happened.

This is why that day was more shocking for the US.

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To the people who ask "why are we opening this old wound?", it's simple, this 'old wound' is still fresh in a lot of people's minds, and, more than any other event, defined the course of the last decade. In fact, I would even go so far as to say it has defined the course of the whole of this century.

Future generations, when asked "What is the 21st Century best remembered for?", the answer will undoubtedly be; "9/11 and the global war on terrorism".

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Quote: "I was glued to the tv when it happened "


Weren't we all? I was driving to work and at the time I was using a CB to communicate back to the shop. In slow times I'd tune into channel 19 to see what the local chatter was. I heard someone talking about about a plane crashing into the WTC. I thought it was an accident... it had to be. In my mind a small, out of control plane had hit the tower. Boy - was I wrong.

I turned on the radio to hear what was happening. I was shocked and angry... so angry. Later, the images of people jumping to their death from the burning building and the thought of nearly 3000 innocent men, woman and children taken that day took a terrible toll on me. Like every American, I wanted to reach out and touch someone. Not in a good way.

I still get misty eyed thinking about it.

Brian.

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I think for a lot of us Brits it gave us a great sense of brotherhood with our cousins across the pond. We wanted to stand beside you and share your grief. I'm not talking about the politicians and the much vaunted 'special relationship', I'm talking about ordinary, decent British citizens.

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Thank you bruce3371. That's all that really matters.

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Quote: "Future generations, when asked "What is the 21st Century best remembered for?", the answer will undoubtedly be; "9/11 and the global war on terrorism"."


With ninety years left to go, I hope we'll be remembered for something purer and better than that.

I mean, apart from small countries with backward, dictatorial leadership, the world is incredibly unified. We have Germans here who watched American citizens die, and felt their pain. The Media, though we loath it, has brought us together to the point where we don't have the old emnities. I mean, for example, going the Homefront route, what would North Korea benefit out of invading America?

It'll be long, but look at the Arab Spring going on Autumn. Who knows, maybe, just maybe, we'll see some sort of general world peace happening in a few decades time.

But then, I'm an optimist and a dreamer.

Also, out of curiosity, how many bad/good points have I amassed? Coming on four years here now, damn, feels like nothing at all.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 23:18
Quote: "If you can take the lives of THOUSANDS of innocent people, you aren't human and deserve the same fate. It's simply an inhumane act and there is nothing they deserve less than death."

In your opinion.

I ain't gonna say one way or the other, but Keith, why is it that it's fine for you and Redneck to state your opinions but not Quik? Seems a bit of a double standard.

As a British kid, 9/11 didn't really enter my ken at the time. I guess I was too young and too far away. I know that now I feel proud for the people who became heroes, sad for the people who died, and ashamed of the people who branded all Muslims as terrorists as a result. As for the people who did it, I don't know what to think. I suppose I think they're beyond help.

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Quote: "I ain't gonna say one way or the other, but Keith, why is it that it's fine for you and Redneck to state your opinions but not Quik? Seems a bit of a double standard."


Because my opinion kind of were a bit more personal insultish

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Our SAR unit were on training maneuvers when the call came to regroup back at HQ. It is never easy to hear of civilians needing rescue and assistance, but it is also equally hard when you hear of fellow EMS persons lost as well. We felt the grief of our US counterparts, and offered our immediate help and assistance as we would for any other country, city, group, or person.

Quote: "To the military, despite my beliefs, you too do what I am not brave enough to do."


Quote: "It's about paying respect to those who are brave, and who sacrificed their lives for others."


Let me tell you that it is not necessarily bravery that gets us to do what we do. It is our training- the training teaches us how to react, what to do, and when to do it. There have been some rescue calls where I've refused to give up when there were no options and people's lives were in danger, including my own. I was not scared that my decision may have been the last on this planet, but more scared that I would not get to say good bye to my wife, or how my wife would feel when she found out that I made a decision to sacrifice my life to save another. Doing this job for many years it gets easier and easier to accept that we may have to make that sacrifice for someone, but we take comfort knowing we saved so many.

In other words, we are all "brave" in our own way. It takes a lot of endurance to do what we do, you must be able to keep that balance. In my case, I am a soldier and a SAR medic, which at times puts me at conflict where I could deploy in the battlefield and take a life, and yet I am also trained to save a life. Despite my training and background, I would not say you are not brave. On the contrary, we all have that "hero" quality. It comes when you least expect it, and I believe that everyone would find it within themselves to save a life if need be.


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Kinda a personal topic for some of us i think.
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Quote: "I ain't gonna say one way or the other, but Keith, why is it that it's fine for you and Redneck to state your opinions but not Quik? Seems a bit of a double standard."


Quote: "Because my opinion kind of were a bit more personal insultish"

This.

Quik compared Keith's mind to that of a murderer. It's entirely different than me and Keith stating our "opinions." We are defending an immature statement that should never have been said in the first place. But most peoples' opinion would greatly change if they actually knew how the prison system worked. Unfortunately, most people are simply entirely ignorant to what actually occurs in there. Also, people generally have a different view when it's actually them or a loved one who becomes the victim--and obviously not ALL, but it changes opinions everyday--so being thousands of miles away, 9/11 obviously didn't have as a traumatic effect as it did on us. And that's the last I'm going to say to that, I don't want this thread locked because of me... It is too important of a thread to let opinions of something slightly off-topic lock it.

But anyhow, I don't think I'm gonna bother coming back to this thread. I won't be able to stop myself from digressing to off-topic debates.
9/11 is a day any American will never forget and any victim of the attack is and always be in my prayers.

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Posted: 9th Sep 2011 00:16 Edited at: 9th Sep 2011 00:16
I was 12 at the time, and I was walking into school with my brother (and for some reason on this day my mom was walking in too). One of the other kids parents mom's came running up to my mom and said, "Did you hear about the planes hitting the World Trade Centers?". Of course, I had no idea what the World Trade Centers were, but I remember listening to the radio throughout most of the school day. When I came home from school that day I don't think I fully realized what had happened, I was still assuming it was a freak accident and two small planes had hit some office buildings in New York.

I've watched probably 8-10 documentaries on it in the 10 years since then, but it's harder for me to watch the older I get. I still get sick to my stomach and chills every time I see footage of the planes hitting or towers falling, especially from ground level where you can see hundreds of people panicking, screaming, crying, and running for their lives, just realizing what is going on, and many of them probably knowing people that worked there.

Regardless of my views on wars that have stemmed from that event, it also encourages me to see everyone (not just Americans) coming together to help out each other.

I do worry about something happening on the 10th anniversary of 9/11. I know that they had found intelligence after they killed Osama Bin Laden that he wanted to carry out another attack on that day. Hopefully they also recovered enough intelligence to stop anyone from going through with something, but I think I'll be staying inside on Sunday anyways.


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Posted: 9th Sep 2011 00:20 Edited at: 9th Sep 2011 00:21
They were extraordinarily brave, but sadly bravery doesn't get rewarded. Throughout history governments continue to scupper those who risk their lives to protect others and their country. It's not surprising that the greediest, power hungry and most immoral people become world leaders because that's exactly what it takes. If we all lived peacefully, shared our wealth and were happy, some other maniac would come along and destroy it all for their own gain. That's human nature.

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Posted: 9th Sep 2011 00:22
I think it hit at the weirdest time for me. When it happened, I was too young to care. Now I understand it, I'm too old, and it's too old to have an effect on me anymore. I don't know any victims, or their family members, not like the USers here probably do.

Nowadays, it's all boiled down to a film or two, and a smattering of brushfire wars for me.

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Posted: 9th Sep 2011 00:25
Quote: "Quik compared Keith's mind to that of a murderer. It's entirely different than me and Keith stating our "opinions." We are defending an immature statement that should never have been said in the first place. "


Fair enough. As a fair olde englishman, I can't really comment.

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Posted: 9th Sep 2011 00:40
I was home that day, with my mom. My grandma called up and told my mom to turn on the TV and flip to the news; so she did. I was just a kid, I had no idea what was really happening.
My mom just uttered "Oh my God..." and remained silent (to my memory) for the rest of the broadcast. I remember watching the towers fall, I didn't really care. I didn't understand.
But over the next few days, I began to soak in the grief of others. I would ask my parents as they put me to bed what had happened to all the good guys on the plane, or in the towers. I didn't really get at that point how many people had died, or even what death really was. But I understood how tragic it was to more developed people.
Nowadays, I try to keep the event from my mind, but I go to prayer services every anniversary of the day.

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Posted: 9th Sep 2011 01:20 Edited at: 9th Sep 2011 01:21
thought i would share this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfWa9gI-Bks&feature=autoplay&list=PL6CF0E48F51A31E9A&lf=iv&playnext=1

Very very touching..

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 9th Sep 2011 01:21
The people jumping from the building is what really hits me, I understand... But at the same time I don't.

I also remember seeing the firetrucks with American and Canadian flags on the back for a little while after that. Like others here around my age, I was to young to care or understand.. But after while I found out that it wasn't just an accident, and how many people actually died.



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