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CoffeeGrunt
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I must say, I despised the iPad up until I was asked to set one up for demo purposes.

On paper, it's rubbish. But once you play with it, you realise it's effortless, and the extra screen space makes a tonne of difference.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 01:11
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Iam not at all saying the products are crap: iam just saying that theyre overrated /aka given way to much credit\and theyre extrmely overpriced with a rather worthless policy (as far as i've heard)"

They replaced my ipod for free even though it was past warranty, and my fault it was broken That was one time though.

I think the key thing about Apple products is that their so... nice. I mean, I've used my fair share of blackberries and androids and whatever, and they're all good in their own ways, but when I use an iPhone I think 'Wow, this is really cool'. They're just so obviously geared towards the user - the buttons are exactly where my fingers go. They look amazing. I don't have to press the screen, just tap it. There's zero chance of it getting pressed or misdialing in my pocket. It takes me 30 seconds to find an app, download it and fire it up. It's just fun to use, rather than feeling like a tool, and of course if what you're looking for is a tool then fine, but you can't brand them as overrated just because they aren't exactly what you want.

I think this quote from Obama sums it up very powerfully:

"There may be no greater tribute to Steve’s success than the fact that much of the world learned of his passing on a device he invented."

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Benjamin
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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 01:54
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Quote: "Who else would you be giving condolences to?"


Saying "R.I.P." doesn't constitute giving condolences. It's like a kind of personal prayer or a show of respect that we do either in private or in the company of others, and some chose to do it here.



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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 02:38 Edited at: 7th Oct 2011 02:52
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I think with the iPod, the fact on its original release it could hold 1,000 songs was pretty epic, 5gb was a lot of space. I mean now that sounds unimpressive, but MP3 players didn't hold a lot of data and weren't brilliant, what I remember people having was miniscule in comparison and my first MP3 was 32mb iirc. And of course they knew how to market it right so that it would be the next big thing for music and just continued to improve it from there - more songs, more features.

Here's an interesting contrast of MP3 players over the years:

http://anythingbutipod.com/2008/03/10th-anniversay-of-the-mp3-player/

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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 03:02
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Quote: "I must say, I despised the iPad up until I was asked to set one up for demo purposes.

On paper, it's rubbish. But once you play with it, you realise it's effortless, and the extra screen space makes a tonne of difference."


Yes! I used to say, "Why would you want a blown up iPod?"

And now at this very moment I'm typing on one.
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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 05:19
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Quote: "and iam sure it was the iphones that paved the road to android etc phones, not the iPad<"


Android is an operating system. It runs on tablets too. I'm just saying that it's the operating system of the tablets that followed the iPad.

Quote: "I must say, I despised the iPad up until I was asked to set one up for demo purposes."


Same here. I'm a big Apple fan, but I still didn't feel any desire to get one. Then I played around on one, and now there's a large iPad shaped hole on my desk where my dreams go.

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Le Shorte
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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 07:22
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Quote: "Yes! I used to say, "Why would you want a blown up iPod?"

And now at this very moment I'm typing on one. "

Precisely as I felt, as well.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 10:06
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Quote: "I think the key thing about Apple products is that their so... nice. I mean, I've used my fair share of blackberries and androids and whatever, and they're all good in their own ways, but when I use an iPhone I think 'Wow, this is really cool'. They're just so obviously geared towards the user - the buttons are exactly where my fingers go. They look amazing. I don't have to press the screen, just tap it. There's zero chance of it getting pressed or misdialing in my pocket. It takes me 30 seconds to find an app, download it and fire it up. It's just fun to use, rather than feeling like a tool, and of course if what you're looking for is a tool then fine, but you can't brand them as overrated just because they aren't exactly what you want. "



Funnily i think my moms ihpone is clumsy,annoying to use, not that agile etc

BUT it can take a hellofabeating.. i dont know how many times my daughter has thrown that iphone on the floor..


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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 10:53
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Quote: "That's what I mean, you don't even know who you are addressing. I am not attacking you or anyone on this forum, this is a widespread common thing when famous people die.

It's fantastic that he has inspired people and understandable that everyone recognises that he is a great loss, but it just doesn't feel right to me to give any personal or emotional sentiments when I never knew him."


Well people have personal and emotional reactions when someone who's inspired them dies. Nothing wrong with that, let them be.

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Posted: 12th Oct 2011 00:26 Edited at: 12th Oct 2011 00:33
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Quote: ""Something I don't like about any of these remembrance threads is people saying "RIP" or "I give my condolences", you didn't know the guy and his family wont read this forum. I know you all mean well, but I feel there's something false and almost disrespectful about messages like that on internet forums""


I don't know about disrespectful, but I also was not understanding it either. Most people here probably don't even believe in life after death or the existence of the soul, so who's the "he" who can "rest", and how could there be "peace" if one doesn't exist anymore? For myself (I do believe that there is life after death) saying "R.I.P." seems silly because me saying "may he rest in peace" will have absolutely no affect on whether or not Steve Jobs is resting in peace right now (the reason being found in Psalm 62).

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Moving on past the discussion above....


I have a few points/interesting things we should discuss with Jobbs passing.

1. TGC invested alot into the Iphone app and making a game engine to make apps for it. Well we all know what happned to apple when Jobbs went away last time when he was fired in the late 80's. Apple took a deep plunge into the depths. Honestly I think Apple is sunk now because Jobbs is gone offically. Jobbs was the brain child behind Apple and all its products. The "I" products may contenue to be produced but I dought Apple will be able to maintain its self and will likely die out again with in 2-3 years.

2. Jobbs death tell us one thing for sure. The grandfathers of modern computers and the GUI are dieing. This means sometime soon someone will emurge and become the next Bill Gates or Steve Jobbs. Looking at the current market and trends, I would suggest it would likely be a video game designer this time around.

3. Who will stop Microsoft? With Apple pretty much back to square one, Microsoft will likely dominate witht he new OS and the windows phone will emurge most likely next year. I predict if the Windows phone sales next year, Apple will never recover fromt he blow. I'd say Microsoft is just one step away from crushing Apple again. To be honest, would any of you even consider apple product had it not been for the ipod etc.? No, because we never did before and we will not likely after it's gone or old news.



Just some stuff to discuss/debate. Better than debating RIP.
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Posted: 12th Oct 2011 00:47
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Well since its apparently forbidden to say RIP here, may I say... I give my respects?

On other matters, I wonder how Apple will do with Tim Cook running things now...

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I think that's exactly it. 'RIP' and 'My condolences' are ways of demonstrating their respect for somebody who has died, sure it may not necessarily be an accurate usage of those terms and they may not reach their relatives, but rather it's a personal thing, some may offer it in prayer too, for those who believe in prayer. I say 'RIP' because I am demonstrating my respect for the man.

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Quote: "Most people here probably don't even believe in life after death or the existence of the soul, so who's the "he" who can "rest", and how could there be "peace" if one doesn't exist anymore? For myself (I do believe that there is life after death) saying "R.I.P." seems silly because me saying "may he rest in peace" will have absolutely no affect on whether or not Steve Jobs is resting in peace right now (the reason being found in Psalm 62)."


Even though I'm not religious, I still use phrases like "RIP" or "God help us all". Everybody knows what those phrases mean, and while the literal meaning might need an essay's debate over it, the intent is unambiguous, and the intent is really what matters.

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Posted: 12th Oct 2011 06:16
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Quote: "3. Who will stop Microsoft? With Apple pretty much back to square one, Microsoft will likely dominate witht he new OS and the windows phone will emurge most likely next year. I predict if the Windows phone sales next year, Apple will never recover fromt he blow. I'd say Microsoft is just one step away from crushing Apple again. To be honest, would any of you even consider apple product had it not been for the ipod etc.? No, because we never did before and we will not likely after it's gone or old news.
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I don't own and have never owned an ipod, iphone or ipad. Just never needed one. I do own three iMacs and a Mac minI and will be buying a Mac Pro after the next update. Frankly, having to use microsoft products turns my stomach. My Apples are work computers and they do their jobs very well.

There are two kinds of computer users. Those that use Macs and those that wish they did.
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Posted: 12th Oct 2011 06:20 Edited at: 12th Oct 2011 06:21
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I suppose I was being a little picky. Just don't expect me to say "R.I.P." when someone dies (and it's not because I don't care).

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Ignore. Comcast is giving me issues tonight.

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Quote: "I don't know about disrespectful, but I also was not understanding it either. Most people here probably don't even believe in life after death or the existence of the soul, so who's the "he" who can "rest", and how could there be "peace" if one doesn't exist anymore? For myself (I do believe that there is life after death) saying "R.I.P." seems silly because me saying "may he rest in peace" will have absolutely no affect on whether or not Steve Jobs is resting in peace right now (the reason being found in Psalm 62)."


Iam sure he is having piece now, considering he was suffering from cancer. So, iam sure he has now finally found peace form that. And no, i dont believe in life after death: I hope to shoes that there is. In some form,


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Quote: "I don't own and have never owned an ipod, iphone or ipad. Just never needed one. I do own three iMacs and a Mac minI and will be buying a Mac Pro after the next update. Frankly, having to use microsoft products turns my stomach. My Apples are work computers and they do their jobs very well."


Ive used Apple products/software on a pro level being a former Apple employee but I honestly can sa Im not impressed. I understand Apple makes the claim its a work machine not a toy. However, I think its just a excuse for poor programming and poor pratices. Im currently a windows user and i love windows but Linux is a better OS when compared to Apple I think. To me from what I seen its ok server side but its not something I would recomend.

Others and I mean very few others do enjoy Apple machines. I find them to be useless. Unless your doing art and even then their not useful in some cases. I don't think they will or would be useful to me. Those of you in the gaming industry using one. I find it hard to understand how you can effectively use that machine to code software for a windows based machine. Its kinda a oxy-moron to me but thats my personal view on Mac.

Since Jobbs has passed, I think Apple will likely pass along with him. Investors are in a crappy market as is and Apple is one strike away from being out if Microsoft can find lightning in a bottle again. I predict Apple stock will start to drop and at that point a uknown or worse Al Gore will take over Apple. Those wondering why Al Gore, he is one of the primary stock holders with Apple. Very likely he could take over and become Apples next CEO. But I guess Apple could do worse. Anyway in short, I think when Jobbs died, Apple died with him. Likely no more new world changing,fade creating ideas will be born from Apple.

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Piece of what?

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My guess... Apple pie


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I was going to take your "professional opinion" seriously, old school, but sadly the grammatical and spelling minefield you presented it in made it impossible to do so...

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One thing I'm wondering. Steve died and he's getting so much attention, but what about Dennis Ritchie??? He died oktober 8th and I just learned about it now.
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Most people in the mainstream never heard of him, I suspect.

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Sad but true
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True but at least Im only commiting a grammer crime and not copyright crime.
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RIP Steve Jobs

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http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Mister_Macintosh.txt

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Quote: "I don't know about disrespectful, but I also was not understanding it either. Most people here probably don't even believe in life after death or the existence of the soul, so who's the "he" who can "rest", and how could there be "peace" if one doesn't exist anymore? For myself (I do believe that there is life after death) saying "R.I.P." seems silly because me saying "may he rest in peace" will have absolutely no affect on whether or not Steve Jobs is resting in peace right now (the reason being found in Psalm 62)."


What you talkin' bout Willis?

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