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Geek Culture / How do you see the British Isles?

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Posted: 15th Nov 2011 08:29 Edited at: 15th Nov 2011 08:30
I'm British and I like to drink tea and eat rich tea biscuits while sitting in front of my fireplace in my mansion while wearing a monocle.
I spell colour correctly too


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Quote: "The irony of reading this on the American made and designed internet (Tim Berners-Lee)"


He knows who was behind it and he still thinks it's an American invention? You'd have thought they'd at least check to make sure he wasn't English first

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Posted: 15th Nov 2011 13:27
Reading this thread makes me want to go drink tea and eat biscuits. I think I'll borrow a few from my flatmate XD
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Posted: 15th Nov 2011 13:56
@Benjamin:
Quote: " What? "

When I said Brits are against defending themselves and their property, I meant in contrast to South Africans. Brits are law-abiding and non-vigilante (from what I hear from the friends and family I have there). British law protects criminals too much and also prevents citizens arming themselves, even with melee weapons. But then again I hear the crime rate is lower there than in South Africa so maybe walking around at night equipped with the Sword Of The Heavens (+15 to all attributes) isn't necessary. In South Africa, you can buy a cheap sword or large knife or air/gas gun/rifle from any flea market/security shop with no questions asked. Apparently it isn't like that in Britain. Anyhow, that's the context I meant it in. I wasn't saying Brits are pushovers or anything, just that they're less likely to kill the person mugging them than a South African is.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2011 14:00
And what's wrong with tea and biscuits? I love tea and biscuits just as much as coffee and cake. Most mornings I have both tea and coffee (although I never have cake or biscuits because I always finish them the night before. Greedy and proud!).

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Posted: 15th Nov 2011 14:27
What a thread this has turned into!

Just popping in here to say that for the past 12 years (prior to my move to Australia) I've lived in the Isle of Man, so it's nice to see a thread about the British Isles. Makes me feel not so lonely in the big world of the internet.

The Isle of Man is where the Manx TT races are and where the Manx cats (cats with no tails) originates

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Posted: 15th Nov 2011 14:36 Edited at: 15th Nov 2011 14:40
Quote: "British law protects criminals too much and also prevents citizens arming themselves, even with melee weapons."


We are weak on criminals, and you do feel a little restricted in your self defence in the UK. Ironically though, this attitude leads to a safer country. Our absence of guns and knives means muggers and burglars and other scum don't need to tool up so much, nor do they need to stab you in the face before asking for your wallet, since you are highly unlikely to pose much of a threat.

This is also why our police, for the most part, do not want to be armed. While they are less equipped to deal with guns and knives, most of the time it means the situations are less dangerous. Obviously there are times when they're at a disadvantage, but cops are very rarely shot in this country, because they're not armed, so they don't create stand-offs. When a criminal is going nuts with a sword or a gun, the armed police come in as a separate unit.

As for self defence in the home, it is a misconception that people can't defend themselves with weapons. Because of a load of high profile cases where, for example, the home owner has laid in wait and then shot someone, and then been prosecuted, people think you can't defend your own home. The reality is, if you're in your house, someone breaks in, and you pick up a baseball bat, smack them round the head and kill them ... well, there will be an investigation, but you are highly unlikely to face criminal proceedings.

The situations changes when you continually batter someone who is unconscious until they're dead, or chase them down the street and stab them, or have an opportunity to call the cops but instead camp out waiting for the burglar and then shoot them. None of those scenarios are self defence. They're all murder, or man slaughter. It's cases like that that the papers get hold of with the headline "Man prosecuted for hitting burglar" and make people think we're defending criminals. We're not. We're punishing vigilantism.

By all means stab someone who is posing a threat to you in your own home, but when they're lying on the floor bleeding and incapacitated, call the police. Don't take law into your own hands and stab them another 50 times. If you do though, you can be sure you'll see the headline "Man brutally attacked in own home who gently prods attacker once with toothpick is sentenced to execution in a nazi death camp." because the real headline of "Man stabs burglar and then continues to brutally murder him as he lies incapacitated" doesn't appeal to the paper's sense of justice.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2011 15:08 Edited at: 15th Nov 2011 15:11
Quote: "This is also why our police, for the most part, do not want to be armed. While they are less equipped to deal with guns and knives, most of the time it means the situations are less dangerous. Obviously there are times when they're at a disadvantage, but cops are very rarely shot in this country, because they're not armed, so they don't create stand-offs. When a criminal is going nuts with a sword or a gun, the armed police come in as a separate unit."


Going back to the series "Frost." It seems this series has done a good job confronting these issues. Frost refuses to carry a weapon even though he was shot (grazed perhaps) in the head. I would say it is only when they confront someone who is really aggro or a wacko that guns would be needed. When they knew they were going into dangerous situations that probably had weapons involved, then they will bring in the special unit. This is an excellent series that might do a good job of mirroring some of British life.

BTW, anybody know what that circular construction is in the photo I posted above.

As far as the USA is concerned I believe we need to continue as is with perhaps some better control over firearms. Just as I don't think it would be a good idea to introduce weapons to the British society overall I don't think it is probably a good idea to disarm America. That would be too difficult to do anyway. According to "Frost" it seems that the violent criminal prefers the sawed-off shot-gun or something similiar. There was probably at most two or three episodes regarding an armed criminal.

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I hope you also spell humour correctly.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2011 15:38
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My humblestest-humble opinion of the British Isles:

ENGLAND FTW! That\'s why I\'m moving there. I don\'t know much about Ireland and associates but I intend to travel and learn once I\'m settled down.

You guys have a great infrastructure, AWESOME internet connections, culture, tons of Euro-band concerts and you pay good too. The country looks after its people.

Sure I disagree with the laws a little. You guys are very much against defending yourselves and your property against criminals. I heard some guy was had up for child abuse because he (bare-handed) beat up some youngsters who tried to mug him (they had box-cutters and kitchen knives). In my opinion the kids deserved it and the guy should\'ve been given a medal. But who am I to judge? I\'m choosing to go there so I\'ll abide by the law while I\'m there.

Anyhow, all places have their good and bad points. I just think England has far more good points than South Africa (where I live).
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I think the defending ones property depends on the part of the country you live in and on what estate. On the estate I am currently on (a less fashionable part of brighton) over the last decade or so we have had numerous murders, drug raids etc. The most notable was someone being shot because someone didnt like him, another was bludgeoned to death for supporting the wrong football team. So no matter where you go you will always get violence and people being horrible to one another.

As for guns we done have loads of legal guns due to the law changing but that still doesnt mean we dont have loads of \'illegal\' ones. With the law favouring the criminal and prisons like holiday camps is it any wonder why people dont mind getting caught.

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Posted: 16th Nov 2011 03:44 Edited at: 16th Nov 2011 03:47
Do you have what we call the Renaissance fairs in England? I had gotten my first taste of mead at one of these fairs here in Nebraska. They hold one every year in the largest city of the state, Omaha.

So, anybody know what that circular structure is? Is the third time asking a charm? or am I being ostracized?

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Posted: 16th Nov 2011 08:24
Never known of them, we do have re-enactment groups though and pagan festivals. There's a pagan festival just up the road from me.

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You might want to look into south korea .

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Posted: 16th Nov 2011 16:03 Edited at: 16th Nov 2011 16:04
@Fallout: Thanks for clarifying Britain for me. I've been very apprehensive about moving as far as crime was concerned because everywhere I looked I got those sensationalist articles which is why I started asking people I knew there. Unfortunately, I was interpreting the facts wrong thanks to the seed of prejudice already implanted in my mind by all the articles I'd read. You've made a valid and logical point about how disarmament of people/police discourages armament of criminals. You've no idea how much better I feel about the whole thing now!

@Fatal Berserker: Holy-Mbit! I just wikied it. I knew they were fast but I had no idea they were already on God-Level. If I didn't have a job waiting for me in the U.K. I might just be tempted to relocate to South Korea. You'll laugh now but I'm using the relatives I board with's connection. Here are the stats: "Account Type: 384k All in 1 (Included - ADSL Line/1GB/10MB Static Hosting/5 Mailboxes/ .co.za Domain)"
Yes, 384k speed @ 1GB cap (a cap is the bandwidth limit per month for anyone who's never had one). In other words, "Account Type: FAIL!". For more great rip-offs, got to http://www.saol.com/

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Lol you guys crack me up. No one is making fun of your country. The U.S. has had its fair share of troubles as well. You guys get to uptight about stuff lol Trolling lol Trolling is posting a million posts on several forms every second. I hardly have time to even post here any more. I think alot of you need to take a few steps back, understand this is the net and just go live life. I also think alot of you make mountains out of ant hills. You take a small bit of a post and blow it out of proportion. I also wonder why some of you reply/post debatable topics if your just going to cry when someone opposes your view.
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@nonZero - No problem. Don't be put off by our justice system. It is slightly lax, and is an occasional source of frustration for people, but it does the job for the most part. There are plenty of low crime areas which are nice places to live.

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Posted: 16th Nov 2011 20:44 Edited at: 16th Nov 2011 20:46
@Old School.
Just dont say anything else, no one is interested in what you have to say anymore. Were all just waiting for you to leave and take your idiocy somewhere else.

Everything you post is verbal garbage which you always back up with more garbage.

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He's got a toggle button on the top left. I advise using it - I know I certainly am.

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Posted: 16th Nov 2011 21:04
You can do that?

All problems are hereby solved!

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Posted: 16th Nov 2011 21:24
Quote: "When I said Brits are against defending themselves and their property, I meant in contrast to South Africans. Brits are law-abiding and non-vigilante (from what I hear from the friends and family I have there). British law protects criminals too much and also prevents citizens arming themselves, even with melee weapons. "


True, but that's the government's fault. They want to protect the criminals because they have rights too...

This place gives an interesting insight on it all: http://www.politicallyincorrect.me.uk/.



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Posted: 16th Nov 2011 23:55 Edited at: 16th Nov 2011 23:59
Quote: "Lol you guys crack me up. No one is making fun of your country. The U.S. has had its fair share of troubles as well. You guys get to uptight about stuff lol Trolling lol Trolling is posting a million posts on several forms every second. I hardly have time to even post here any more. I think alot of you need to take a few steps back, understand this is the net and just go live life. I also think alot of you make mountains out of ant hills. You take a small bit of a post and blow it out of proportion. I also wonder why some of you reply/post debatable topics if your just going to cry when someone opposes your view. "


Its posts like this that get you into trouble:
Quote: "Brit populated America orginal so its your gene pool were dipping into. Read my brit over view above, might be a clue why some are still dumb. Lol sad facts that are true lol "


And the fact you came back here with a similar attitude just shows me you haven't learnt, so I'm upgrading you to a ban for 5 days.

Nobody here has lowered the tone, there are plenty of "Americans are Dumb", "The British are Dumb", "The Aussies are Dumb" videos on Youtube we've all pretty much agreed that each country has its idiots.
I think the reason people generally say "Americans are dumb" more than most countries, is because people probably don't realise how vast America actually is.
The population is so spread out, you are bound to get more people "out of touch" with the outside world. Also, with a population of 300million, you are bound to get a larger proportions of the dumb ones on TV/Youtube, doesn't mean to say that on average the intelligence is lower.

For every Bill Gates, there are bound to be 1000 Sarah Palins.
For every Tim Berners-Lee, there are bound to be 1000 Jade Goodies (Well, 999.... Tee Hee!)

You just have to watch each countries Big Brother/X Factor/Pop Idol/Jeremy Kyle/Jerry Springer to realise that we are all in the same boat!

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Quote: "we are all in the same boat!"


Except here in Northern Canada. We have snow and ice, and maple syrop. I traded my boat for a skidoo.

Sorry, just trying to lighten the mood, eh?


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You just have to watch each countries Big Brother/X Factor/Pop Idol/Jeremy Kyle/Jerry Springer to realise that we are all in the same boat!
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Except Sweden. There are no idiots in Sweden.

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Ohohohoh! Edgy!

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 00:28
Quote: "Except here in Northern Canada. We have snow and ice, and maple syrop. I traded my boat for a skidoo.

Sorry, just trying to lighten the mood, eh?"


Have you moved already?



Now that I've been on my happy pill for the last several months my mood's been quite light.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 00:32 Edited at: 17th Nov 2011 00:33
Quote: "Have you moved already? "


We found the piece of property we want. Now we're getting ready to fix the townhouse here and start packing. Giving us about a year to be ready for the actual move.


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Quote: "Except Sweden. There are no idiots in Sweden."


This is true, its well known that the Swedes are kings of men.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 09:51
Quote: "This is true, its well known that the Swedes are kings of men."


And also very tasty mashed.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 10:16
@old_school:
Quote: "You guys get to uptight about stuff lol Trolling lol Trolling is posting a million posts on several forms every second. I hardly have time to even post here any more."
... And you hardly have time to post here BECAUSE you are too busy trolling more gullible forums (was just a witty retort not meant to be taken personally).

Now, "trolling", by popular definition, means posting on any message board system in order to evoke a negative response from the other poster so that you can sit back in your chair-throne and laugh to yourself about how powerful you are. Well, "(X) Achievement Unlocked: King of your own back garden!". Whether you are trolling or not depends largely on your actual intention. Posting a million posts across several forums (within a reasonable time limit) can only be done with an automated process and thus posts will likely be incoherent/generic/ambiguous, making them spam.

I get where you're coming from about people here seeming uptight, I also thought that when I joined (I posted a link to a game I'd written that went against AUP and got smacked down for it). BUT they are really trying hard to keep this place friendly for newcomers and you would realise that if you bothered to get to know this place the way I have (And I've been a member only a few months) instead of just poking people. You have every right to voice an opinion or disagree with users here so long as you do it in a civilised manner and within the confines of the rules of this place. Whether or not you agree with those rules is your opinion and one you have a right to that opinion too, but at the end of the day this is not your forum. So afford them the same right while you are on their territory as they would show you on yours. If you don't like it, start your own forum.

@Benjamin: Very interesting article, tks for the link. Makes one really think about the world in which one exists (or the illusion at least, lol).

@Everyone else: Sorry for "feeding the troll" (old_school) but I thought maybe I may get through to him if I gave it a try. If he bothers to read this post *sigh*.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 18:52 Edited at: 17th Nov 2011 18:54
Quote: "And also very tasty mashed."


I know, I know, we often talk about food on here, but I have to say, mashed Swede is awesome.


Quote: "Lol you guys crack me up. No one is making fun of your country. The U.S. has had its fair share of troubles as well. You guys get to uptight about stuff lol Trolling lol Trolling is posting a million posts on several forms every second. I hardly have time to even post here any more. I think alot of you need to take a few steps back, understand this is the net and just go live life. I also think alot of you make mountains out of ant hills. You take a small bit of a post and blow it out of proportion. I also wonder why some of you reply/post debatable topics if your just going to cry when someone opposes your view."


Mate, people were just pointing out how horribly educated your statements were and then only things you could possibly point out were negatives. However, people feel you're a troll (and hence you are treated like one, hence moderation) is because of your very troll-like posts. Now if you truly aren't a troll, just try being less like one. Make sense?

In case you're going to accuse me of crying, just as a troll might, I am as calm as a dead fish. I always am. But I will state my view and I will correct people where I feel they're wrong and give reason.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 19:39
Quote: "We found the piece of property we want. Now we're getting ready to fix the townhouse here and start packing. Giving us about a year to be ready for the actual move."


Cool! Hmmm? Takes a year to pack? Just kidding. I know what you're saying. It takes a while to refurbish or fix up property.

Does anybody live in London?

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Quote: "Takes a year to pack? Just kidding. I know what you're saying. It takes a while to refurbish or fix up property."


Yes, we have to finish painting the townhouse, add new baseboard and trim, replace the fence and patio, then sell it. We had this planned a while back, so we're down to a year left.


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