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Zwarte Piet
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Posted: 13th Nov 2011 00:08 Edited at: 16th Nov 2011 23:24
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"I would rather make a bad model, instead of pirate a great one" MY DAD "Now let's Make some Models" me "If you don't make it don't post it"
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anayar
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I dont know what youre talking about dude... this is one of the only forums where there are an uncountable number of free models and MP's

If you mean that there arent request threads around anymore I agree... maybe you should start one again then?

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People on the TGC forums don't realize how spoiled they are with contributions from community members, including professionals.


http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86523
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Posted: 13th Nov 2011 00:37 Edited at: 13th Nov 2011 00:41
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@anayar "I dont know what youre talking about dude" That is what I'm saying, We are all about ourselves. Do you remember when you first signed up? Was it to make models or find models.

@EGG HEAD OF DOOM "People on the TGC forums don't realize how spoiled they are with contributions from community members, including professionals" What contributions where is a free download in the last month?

This post is not to make people mad, or harras. It is meant to say what happend to free media, Pro or not.

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Quote: "What contributions where is a free download in the last month?"


i posted 2 free models this week (servers) & have made a transformer for the free community model pack yesterday

cheers henry

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Posted: 13th Nov 2011 00:50 Edited at: 13th Nov 2011 00:56
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And I say Thank You Henry Ham, I love both. They are great as all your models. so a lone man, there's one left. I Say Thank You again henry

I guess my main point is these forums are dying, I think we need to do something or these forums will go the way of the caveman.

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I think it goes in cycles like everything else in life. For a while there's an abundance of people making models and then there's a few. Just like in the winter there's a shortage of heat, but it always come back.

When I first joined, there was very little free media and not many who could model at all. Now it seems that everyone can and does make their own media. Still, there are some exceptional people who make free models, like you, Henry, anayar, Dan, etc. ( I hate to name a few because I leave so many out) I haven't made anything in a while because I've been coding more apps, and I'm doing one now that's killing my brain.

If you feel the need, make another request thread, or just ask me. I can probably keep you busy.

Thanks for all you do,
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Thank you xplosys maybe You seem get what I'm trying to say. It's not just about requests though, Ther seems to be no comune, in this community, I was on leave, for a while...lol
When I came back it is all WIP. Not much happening here, so why come back, for a noob. Myself I get snowed in, A hazard of winter. So I like to make models, For free, I just wonder why no-one is for community anymore.

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Quote: "What contributions where is a free download in the last month?"


I made a few empty pop cans and threw 'em up in my '11 thread just the other day for the sake of an update. Also resurrected the screenshot competitions since the community seemed to enjoy them so much in the past. And of course, Bond1 released his wonderful new postprocessing shaders, and doomster provided a compiled .exe so everyone could try them out for themselves. Looks like a few members are also pitching in on a "Modern Community Pack".

The forums have become a bit less active recently. Not just in the models and media board, but threads in the WIP threads and showcase board both only seem to receive one or two comments a day. Product chat seems to be a little slow as well, but it's just as xplosys said.


Quote: "I would like to hear what current members have to say"


I'm not going anywhere. Though I do admit the more active one of my threads are, the more I contribute to it. In the meantime, it gives me the opportunity to catch up on other things.


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Posted: 13th Nov 2011 01:42 Edited at: 13th Nov 2011 01:43
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Thank you for you insight, Kravenwolf I have not looked at other threads, I did love your pop cans, So why do you think this downtrend is happening?

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Quote: "So why do you think this downtrend is happening?"


I would say that it's just as xplosys said. It's just the cycle of things. People come and go, and I'm sure things will go back as they were one day or another. And shortly after that, we'll probably end up right back where we are now.

Though last year or so there was a point, when there was an abundance of modelers and members catering to almost every request they were thrown, but then there were a few among the appreciative who took the entire situation for granted and moreorless expected free assets rather than be greatful for the gift.

In this case, and as mentioned; in the very least, this "drought" may help remind those few the efforts of the contributors are something special, rather than manditory.


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Posted: 13th Nov 2011 02:16 Edited at: 13th Nov 2011 02:17
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Thank You, Kravenwolf. To all who have responded, I just wanted to see what everyone else thought about this situation. I myself was a little disheartened, by the lack of good old free media. I think I will try to do something to change it. I will try to post one free model aday.

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How bout startin a 100 models in 100 days, or 30 models in 30 days thread?

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Mostly you will find that those new to modeling and honing their skills are most likely to be giving away free media. Personally I could model/animate before I found FPSC. Sometimes now I give away things I dont have any further use for or it doesn't entirely fit with what I want to do.
I think you will also find that most folks get fed up with putting media out there for little or no thanks, some of us also got jobs and real life to contend with and for those of us who make a living from digital media you are not going to see many taking requests.
There may be fewer free models available but innovation is certainly not lacking around here, every new upgrade to the engine sees a burst of activity from users seeking to implement new features.
As for myself I have given a lot of free media around here and will occasionally continue to do so but what I am about now is giving quality media at a very low reasonable price to this community, it may not free but I reckon its as close as your going to get. You cant expect it all to be given for nothing my time is valuable just as it is for many others around here.
You cant say a oommunnity is dying simply because there are no modelers giving out free stuff, in fact you would be hard pressed to find another gaming community or company that offers media at such low cost to its members.

As xplosys says its like the seasons it comes and goes.

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Posted: 13th Nov 2011 02:23 Edited at: 13th Nov 2011 02:46
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All those I have saw did not go well..lol

Excelent Responce rolfy I saw it after I posted. You make a good point. Thank You I myself have a "Day Job" And make models for fun. Mostly in the winter months.

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I think thier are alot of free stuff here. You go to some ot the other game engines forum and you find very little free stuff. Just look here, the DBP forum have very few Free models.

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I don't really agree with you, Piet. I think there's alot of things happening around here. And when all the wip;s is finished, you'll see the word "released" everywhere.
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As someone eluded to; many artists that gave out free media got tired of little to no thanks from people here, as well as those individuals that basically "demanded" media to be made for them. The same can be said for those that compare a single model to the extremely cheap cost of a Model Pack (ie., "why should I pay $20 for this one model, when they sell Model Packs for the same?").

Artists begin to realize that they can do much better in other Engines elsewhere. Those who are established here tend to stick around; but even they (I suspect) are looking around too.

In short; it's the people taking artists for granted that eventually drive them away.

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Quote: "In short; it's the people taking artists for granted that eventually drive them away."


I agree with this right here

I stay here becouse I like it here, I like the program and I like dark basic pro.

There are other fourms out there I do know that will pay alot more and do for even the little media belive it or not.

I can get $50 to $200 just for one well made model in other fourms,But I will say this ,it is always a request per job to one customer with the agrement not to sell it to every one as most thease people want the modle just for there own games or movies in programs such as iclone 5,poser,and alot of diffrent gaming engines.

This fourm is trully blessed all of the time with free to cheap well made stuff all the way around.

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@sadsack you point is understood, and appreiciated

@ J Swain I agree I have saw, waves of released, but I see more WIPS, these days than Released

@KeithC I see your point, But I like some artists create to create, to me money is secondary, and should not be the inspiration for creation.

@Daniel wright 2311 I like the way you said "I stay here becouse I like it here, I like the program and I like dark basic pro." That is what I'm talking about.

Thank You everyone for you opions, I made this thread to get input from the community, And I did all coments were sincere, and apreiciated. I just want to see the community feeling I first saw here. When I joined.

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My post was just a comment, not a counter-argument


http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86523
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@Zwarte Piet

I have started a thread to give away some of my media. I will keep it open for as long as I continue to model for...... and i will sometimes take requests.........

It's here

Although, i have only just learnt, so, they won't be that good judt yet. But, they are still free.....

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@EGG HEAD OF DOOM, lol I Know. I was just trying to make a point of disscusion.

@unfamillia Now Thats, The Right idea. very nice. Thank You That's what I'm talking about.

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Quote: "But I like some artists create to create, to me money is secondary, and should not be the inspiration for creation."

Thats fine if you can afford it and your choice, some of us got to eat and money is not the primary scource of any artists inspiration.
Let me put it this way for you, we all learn to do what we do and at first we have the same attitude you display here, eventually you realise to do what you want to do (create) you have to earn a living or keep it as a hobby (what most do) and earn your living some other way. If your good enough you can earn a wage and people pay for the years of experience and learning you accrued. One day you'll realise that folks think you should give your work cheap/free because they believe you got talent and they think thats a gift which is not something hard earned in time and study,so its easy and shouldnt be charged for.
I face this attitude a lot and its usually from guy's who expect a good wage for whatever they work at be it a doctor,lawyer,plumber,mechanic or whatever. Why is their time and work more valuable?
I understand where your coming from but that statement right there irked me.
If money is offered its all well and good but it is never the inspiration.

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Was going to discuss that very line; but Rolfy handled it nicely.

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Quote: "lack of free models and innovation"

There is a lack of creativity amongst the developers but nothing else.

Cosmic Prophets Dark City/Nuke City pack is huge and inspiring but I haven't seen any game using it to its full extent yet. The same goes for the Community Warfare Pack, not to mention Cosmics Pirate Pack.

Everybody is still doing "Zombies in dark places" which can't be very inspiring for any artist who has been here for longer than a year.

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Quote: "Everybody is still doing "Zombies in dark places" which can't be very inspiring for any artist who has been here for longer than a year."


For me it is. Because I can't get enough (a) zombies, (b) zombie games, and (c) dark places.

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dont forget the defy-contest the last months. also some modellers take the contest and work on their game-wips and other stuff, and there are some threads around for exclusive material and character modelling. all more time consuming than some easy free segment/nonchar models, but defy now is on the run, so i think it gets better again in the near future.

its not only in this forum that things move slowly the last weeks, look at the scriptforum ...and on nongamer-boards also. well, its not spring at the moment.
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I meant to say "Motivation" not "Inspiration" if that makes you feel better Rolfy, and KiethC.

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Piet, just wait till the modern pack is finished.

Uh, btw, how's that silo doing? Any progress yet?
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@The Storyteller 01, I contributed to all of cosmics packs but the modern warfare pack. I love zombies, but I do feel they have been sufficently covered these days.


@maho76, I entered a contest on these forums and won, but I and the host of the contest were bashed so hard, I never even got my prize, and the host all but quit. That did inspire me to create my jail pack.

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why should any one give there time away for free? this is the question.

creating models takes time,and time is money.I dont have the time to spare,my time is important to me.

unless i have the time of corse,then i will do alot of free stuff.

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sorry for the double post but I must add this also, this i did not write but holds true all the same.

In this country, there are almost twice as many neurosurgeons as there are professional illustrators. There are eleven times as many certified mechanics. There are SEVENTY times as many people in the IT field.

So, given that they are less rare, and therefore less in demand, would it make sense to ask your mechanic to work on your car for free? Would you look him in the eye, with a straight face, and tell him that his compensation would be the ability to have his work shown to others as you drive down the street?

Would you offer a neurosurgeon the “opportunity” to add your name to his resume as payment for removing that pesky tumor? (Maybe you could offer him “a few bucks” for “materials”. What a deal!)

Would you be able to seriously even CONSIDER offering your web hosting service the chance to have people see their work, by viewing your website, as their payment for hosting you?

If you answered “yes” to ANY of the above, you’re obviously insane. If you answered “no”, then kudos to you for living in the real world.

But then tell me… why would you think it is okay to live out the same, delusional, ridiculous fantasy when seeking someone whose abilities are even less in supply than these folks?

Graphic artists, illustrators, painters, etc., are skilled tradesmen. As such, to consider them as, or deal with them as, anything less than professionals fully deserving of your respect is both insulting and a bad reflection on you as a sane, reasonable person.

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@Daniel wright 2311, Actually Doctors,lawyers,Carpenters and more donate their skills and time regularly. Just look at habitat for humanity. and doctors who travel around the world just to help people, I have myself had a lawyer waive his fees once.

I guess it all depends on if you want to give or not, some do not, some do. I DO.

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Quote: "Actually Doctors,lawyers,Carpenters and more donate their skills and time regularly. Just look at habitat for humanity. and doctors who travel around the world just to help people, I have myself had a lawyer waive his fees once.
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I am not habitat for humanity

I am not a lawer that makes great money and nore is most all people here.


I am a starving artist just as most all people here that does not have the time nore the extra money to through around for free.

If you have the extra time and or money to give then shure, there is nothing wrong with free stuff, I give free stuff myself,but this Thread is asking why is there not 100 people giving away all there free stuff,this is what I see when I see the tital.

My point is, there are not alot of people giving there free time away becouse there time is there's,not yours to take unless you pay for it.

Yes it makes people mad that there are some that think media should be free,it should not be free,this is not a free world.

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habitat for humanity ONLY HELPS HERE AND THERE,You go out and ask for help from them and see what you must do to get help, I know, i have been there, you have to jump through hoops to get any type of help at all if any.

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@Daniel Wright:
I think I understand your point but (even after re-reading the whole thread twice) I can't recognize at which poster or at which part of the community your last 2 comments where aimed at.

@Zwarte Piet:
Looks like I have to repeat myself - there is a TON of high quality free media around but about 90% of it is NOT being used.

Comics Pirate Pack (including a whole ship!) - Over a year out and not being used at all.
Community Warfare Pack - I have not seen any of the vehicles, weapons or characters being used yet - not even in a WIP screenshot.
Starminds "Starship Troopers" pack - everybody was eager for it but where are the projects using the weapons, soldiers and bugs?
And the list goes on including scripts, textures, tools and mods.

That is the point. If people are contributing free models and see that they are not being used, why should they do more? Even if they have the time and generosity, they certainly don't want to see their work wasted.

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@The Storyteller 01

they where aimed at Zwarte Piet

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@The Storyteller 01, I got you, I made the bug models for the that, it was a true community effort cosmic mapped and starmind animated, the starship troopers pack, You know. I just make models, not games.lol

Oh and Dan was talking to me.lol I knew that.

@Daniel wright 2311, Throughout history all artists have been starving, hence day jobs, Divinci for example was an inventor, consort and an art teacher, to suppliment his income. Think of that your Divinci, and your reduced to an art teacher, but he still gave Sketches freely

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Quote: "Throughout history all artists have been starving, hence day jobs, Divinci for example was an inventor, consort and an art teacher, to suppliment his income."


So you understand why it is why people move on to look for a better deal?

@Storyteller 01

I knew cosmic for a long time, he does not count in this argument,He left for other reasons.

Me and cosmic go way back and I know he would never steal anything,ever,not on purpess any how.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2011 22:13 Edited at: 14th Nov 2011 22:15
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@ ZP,

I would not worry much about it myself. It is great there has been free media available, but as mentioned some artists either have busy lives or decide to step back. It is like the change of seasons.

@ The Storyteller 01

Quote: "Looks like I have to repeat myself - there is a TON of high quality free media around but about 90% of it is NOT being used.

Comics Pirate Pack (including a whole ship!) - Over a year out and not being used at all."


Your statement is not quite accurate. The media you mention here may not appear to be used here on this forum, but there are some of us that have released games using the media. Some of us just don't advertise it here for everyone to take notice of.

Quote: "I knew cosmic for a long time, he does not count in this argument,He left for other reasons.

Me and cosmic go way back and I know he would never steal anything,ever,not on purpess any how."


Let's not take this down a path that few have knowledge of. I spoke with Dale on the phone yesterday and he has been sick and has taken some time for himself and a step back from here. I'm certain once he is better, he'll be back with more media.


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Quote: "Throughout history all artists have been starving, hence day jobs, Divinci for example was an inventor, consort and an art teacher, to suppliment his income."

No they haven't in Da Vinci's day art was considered a trade just like any other, I know many artists who make a very comfortable living off what they do, the idea of a starving artist living in a loft with a candle for company and working his butt off for recognition and not much else is a romantic myth (related to a very few and quite insane characters) and really not a lifestyle to aspire to, its not a very practical notion, guaranteed to make you ill.
Again I understand the original point of your thread Zwart but I think some of your views about artists and art are completely based on fantasy and not reality, if you feel there is a shortage of free media and innovation around here then remedy it, I know you have the skills, but keep it real.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2011 22:21 Edited at: 14th Nov 2011 22:23
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Quote: "Your statement is not quite accurate. The media you mention here may not appear to be used here on this forum, but there are some of us that have released games using the media. Some of us just don't advertise it here for everyone to take notice of."
I am glad and relieved to hear that - and if somtimes there will be anything playable that includes undead pirates (or allready is!), please send me a mail

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@blackfox, I don't worry about much.lo, I just wanted to see what people were thinking. I think it has worked well there is an open disscusion, at times it may be "gloves off at points but discussion none the least"

@Daniel wright 2311, I will use your words. "I stay here becouse I like it here, I like the program and I like dark basic pro."

I like it here to. I like free, maybe I will make all my work. FREE I know some people wanting my models, Will love that, I do know some who will hate it, I think I will see. Wich number is bigger, love or hate.

@rolfy, I know your point on both divinci and free art. I will try to remedy the one I can

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Quote: "I like it here to. I like free, maybe I will make all my work. FREE I know some people wanting my models, Will love that, I do know some who will hate it, I think I will see. Wich number is bigger, love or hate."


Im loved by my kids, my wife, my friends, I am not here for love, I might like being here but its not for love,its to learn more then any thing.

If you have the time to make free stuff and not earn anything for it I call this a waisted talent and a person who in time will learn this also. But this is just my opinion.

If you want to waist your tallent then by all means,do so.

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OK I'll waist it here in free media. Thank You.

"I would rather make a bad model, instead of pirate a great one" MY DAD "Now let's Make some Models" me "If you don't make it don't post it"
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Ok, good, There is nothing wrong with it, I see nothing wrong with free stuff, never have, But that is not what this thread is about,this thread is about why is there not a bunch of threads with free media,that's the discution.

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Yes it is, So keep going with less or go with more?

P.S. "I Know what the thread is about...lol"

"I would rather make a bad model, instead of pirate a great one" MY DAD "Now let's Make some Models" me "If you don't make it don't post it"
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1) Why did cosmic leave? Did he leave at all?

2) There are some WiP Projects that I concider really creative. Its just that a lot are not. People tend to look on things from a pessimistic point of view, I dont

3) If you have anything to nag about the lack of creativity around here, make a difference. Start now.

4) I bet free media will be back around the christmas holydays.

Quote: "I am a starving artist just as most all people here that does not have the time nore the extra money to through around for free. "


Most people here are hobbyists and dont actually do this for a living. It surprises me that you do.

Quote: "Comics Pirate Pack (including a whole ship!) - Over a year out and not being used at all.
Community Warfare Pack - I have not seen any of the vehicles, weapons or characters being used yet - not even in a WIP screenshot.
Starminds "Starship Troopers" pack - everybody was eager for it but where are the projects using the weapons, soldiers and bugs?
And the list goes on including scripts, textures, tools and mods."


Thats not fair, I use all of these in my projects and even expanded them.

Quote: "Some of us just don't advertise it here for everyone to take notice of."


Why?

Bottomline: be grateful for the free media you receive. If you think there is a lag: Add some yourself.

The point of the effort is the effort itself. For instance, there are people that give out free media because they have fun making these and to help the community and there are people who give out free media to get nice comments, stroked a little and feel better about themselves. The last folks mentioned are irrelevant to this community and humanity itself (in my humble point of view).

Quote: "but I see more WIPS, these days than Released"


So? Of course, we are hobbyist no studios. Our games will mostly be free and we do it for fun. A lot of users around here are still a bit younger and lack the ability to release a full fun game. I don't see why this gets mentioned so often. Support those who work on their games and quit opening these "baah! there are too many zombiegames" threads.

This is a great and stable community, I do not respect any of these dramaqueens leaving because they can't handle some posts they don't like nor can I stand these mysterious " I talked to "Ex" Members about ... they left because of..." remarks.

If you have a great idea for a free modelpack, release it!
Same goes for commercial modelpacks.

I'm a little bit cynical on these kind of threads, please forgive my rude choice of words.



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Quote: "If you have the time to make free stuff and not earn anything for it I call this a waisted talent"


Thats right! You have to get money and sell your artworks you do for fun in your sparetime

If you just want to make some other hobbygamedevs happy and have a good time you are a waisted talent. Just like all these streetperformers, the graffity artists, hobbypainters, musicians...

lets just all forget art and get greedy

I certainly hope you where sarcastic daniel...

Quote: "Im loved by my kids, my wife, my friends, I am not here for love,"


This is still a discussion about models, right?

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Quote: "Most people here are hobbyists and dont actually do this for a living. It surprises me that you do."


I dont,thanks

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Myself i'm just creating models because i think it's fun.
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