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NIlooc223
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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 00:41
I"m looking to buy a new computer below $350... I'm a huge gamer but unsure what to look for. Any recomedations for me?

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 00:50 Edited at: 30th Dec 2011 00:51
core i3, or equiv amd chip... no idea...

DDR3 ram and supporting board... at least 4 gig... 450/550W for that price range psu... a low proile 400/500 series Nvidia or equiv amd gpu no idea... and a cheap hard drive... sadly because of some worldly events they have skyrocketed in price...

do you have some parts already?

do you have a preferred vendor?

what kins of games do you play?

post up more detail and people can respond more directly

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 00:54
I have a full working desktop computer

I perfer intel currently i have a gateway pc with an amd hd series graphics card with a 250 gig hard drive on windows vista

I play first person shooters and games like skyrim bioshock fallout ect.

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 00:58
so you are looking for upgrade paths right?

can you post your sstem specs... [aaaa great an intel uy yay makes things easier...]

after looking at your current parts we can assess your upgrade path... I pressume you know how to rip your machine apart safely right?

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 01:04
uhg ive had this computer for 6 years I dont know my specs anymore!

Graphics card: AMD hd 5000 series

Hard drive: 250 gig

amd athlon 64 X2 dual core processor 6000

ummm

Operating system: Windows vista

Manufacturer: Gateway

3 gig DDR2 dual channel memory

thats all I know... is that any help?

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 01:10 Edited at: 30th Dec 2011 01:11
Do you intend to use the current case and save on buying a new one or a whole new rig?

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Is there more info regarding your method of purchase?

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 01:11
buy a whole new computer

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 01:14
so an off the shelf rig or you put it together?

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 01:18
either one I know how to put together but would rather have it all set up I also want it to be running windows 7

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 01:33
sooo.... where are you based? I guess you could check a local compter shops website or some online shop like I dunno...

if you can tell us where you plan on buying it from if any... then we can fish one out for you to your budget... if you built it yourself your win 7 licence will eat half your budget XD

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 01:41
Im in the USA plenty of best buys... frys.... and I can purchase online to from places like amazon, newegg and tigerdirect. Frys has a huge selection of just computer parts.

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 01:49
You'll be hard pushed to find a gaming rig for that price.

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Yup Indicium is right...

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 01:52
dosnt have to be like an alienware gaming rig... just good enough to run games on high quality

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 01:55 Edited at: 30th Dec 2011 02:03
if custom build... no chance of having Win7... though you can just keep your current hard dive and stick it in the new rig...

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 01:59
how about a budget of 500

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 02:03
Quote: "I"m looking to buy a new computer below $350... I'm a huge gamer but unsure what to look for"


Quote: "just good enough to run games on high quality"


$350 for a real gaming PC. High spec or not will not come easy. Expect about $500+ depending on where you get the parts...

Once you understand that your $350 budget is too low, then I'll assist you further...

Just so you can get an understanding, Windows 7 by itself is $99. So you only got about $249 left for a "Gaming PC"...

Think about it and good luck...

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 02:03
How about this computer? http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dddwjb3&cs=19&dgvcode=ss&c=US&l=EN&dgc=SS&cid=39716&lid=1003790

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 02:03
barely scratching the gamer entry level... but still possible if you port over your old gpu...

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 02:04
You're looking at around 200 for a graphics card alone, and that won't be exactly high end. Throw in your processor, ram, motherboard and you'll see it quickly balloons up.

Then you have to add Windows 7, which is around 120 dollars I think, but I'm not certain. What I'd recommend is that you upgrade your current rig, but you'd have to post full specs for me to get a better idea.

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You will have to configure it to what you'll want. IIRC that's how dell works now-a-days...

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 02:09
ah fine well this is the highest price ill go and this was under high performence

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dxdwmw2&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&model_id=xps-8300

Is this better than the other?

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Again, You will have to configure it to what you'll want. IIRC that's how dell works now-a-days...

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650, Nvidia Gefocre GTX 560 OC 1024MB, 8192MB RAM, Nforce 780i, Windows 7 Home Premium x64
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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 02:14
ah didnt see your post I had posted without refreshing and is there a way to buy it without paying for all the extra crap I dont want any of that stuff but it says its already added in the price and it wont let me change it....

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 02:20 Edited at: 30th Dec 2011 02:21
Building a PC would be far cheaper and easier (If you know how to build one)...

What is the Resolution of your monitor ?

Also why not just upgrade your current desktop if possible ?

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 02:35
Quote: "Building a PC would be far cheaper and easier (If you know how to build one)..."


And faster...

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 06:05 Edited at: 30th Dec 2011 06:06
For a decent budget gaming computer, this is how it's gonna add up.

Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium - $99.99
Processor: Intel Core i5 2400 - $189.99
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z68-UD2H - $125.99
GPU: nVidia GTX 550 Ti - $139.99
RAM: 4 GB (2x2GB) 1333 MHz - $39.99
HDD: 500 GB (7,200 RPM) - $99.99
Power Supply: OCZ ZT Series 550W - $89.99
Case: Antec 300 - $54.99
Optical: 24x DVD/CD Burner Drive - $19.99

That, giving a little, before shipping, and before assembling it yourself, will be about $850. Gaming rigs, even those meant for High Settings at 720p, can really run you some money. But...oh, are the rewards so sweet!

My Computer Specifications: Intel i7 980x OC @ 4.2 GHz |3x GTX 580's in SLI | 12 GB, 2000 MHz RAM (Corsair) |2x 1 TB HDD | 1.2 KW PSU |ASUS Rampage III Extreme Motherboard
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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 21:31
My machine is fully capable of running any game on high details at 1280x1024(yes I have a 19" monitor so what).
What you will need is:

-AMD Phenom X4 (it is faster from the Intel CPU in the same price range)
-Any ASUS AM3 or AM3+ motherboard in the range of 50-60 bucks should be fine
-Geforce GTS450/GTX550 atleast
-4 gigs or more of DDR3 RAM,expensive RAM is kinda pointless cause it makes no real difference,just buy the cheapest set
-Power supply should be a decent one,cheap LC Powers are terrible,stay away,Corsair makes some nice PSU for the buck,about 500w should be OK


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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 21:36
650W+ actually...

And what has speed got to do with anything? Stability and performance is best... Get Intel...

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 22:27
650w+ are you crazy? Don't go around recommending stuff that you don't know everything about. The system I own is the same as I have recommended a post above and it works completely fine with a Corsair CX500w PSU. In fact,the power consumption barely even touches 350w at stress.

And why the hell would AMD be less stable? It is proven that on a budged gaming computer,a Phenom X4(infact for 10 bucks more you can get a X6 which should be top of the class) brings much more preformance overall than a Intel i3 that you can get for the same money.


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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 22:36
easy there charger bandit... calm down... FYI I work in IT...

Where you might not NEED 650W, it future proofs you as I mentioned in another thread... PSU's are pricey components especially if you buy a decent one... so buy better than what you need and when you buy a new rig which needs more juice, you have a PSU to go... reducing a future build cost. (figure it... adding 20-30 now saves a whole 100-120 in future)

And higher Wattage PSU's often have better AMPerage.

i3 is not QUAD its Dual and uses HT... clearly you do not know wat you are talking about...

No offene to you right now but you need to know what you are talking about before telling people what to do with their money.

I see you a lot on the forum and believe we often talk so would hate to have any fallouts with you, although I never played the game...

So do not take this the wrong way... Just a heads up.

for the record I have been in I.T. for 14 years and counting...
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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 22:45
I have never said an i3 was a quadcore,it must be getting late eh? I said that it is in the same price range. So you would rather get a threaded dualcore than a sixcore for the same price?!
A 550w power supply should be completely enough for the next 2-3 years. And FYI too,I also work in IT,specifically computer assembling.


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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 22:53
Quote: "it must be getting late eh?"

true

Wooo kudos!!! yeah I always oooo 650 lol anyway yeah 550 is the absolute minimum I would suggest...

I am using a shoddy laptop at the moment in a dark room [no not a dungeon but feels like one...]

but anyhoo, So we understand each others point then haha ^^

but assembly? you mean like dell or something? gosh that must be boring... unless you do individual systems... not like pre determined units... I like individual builds as theyre more challenging and I love a good challenge ^^ most systems I build are in the thousands regardless of currency... so I always suggest quality parts... as non of my client rigs have ever failed... only user error fixes lol

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 23:00 Edited at: 30th Dec 2011 23:02
If you shop around Newegg.com, MWave.com, and Geeks.com, and use http://videocardbenchmark.net/ and http://cpubenchmark.net/ to find the best hardware for the price, you can build a reasonably fast gaming computer for around $400. You can find a Radeon 5670 for around 70 bucks that will be close to a GTS 450, that will play a lot of your games on high. I would recommend you get 8gb of ram, since you can get it for around $45 these days. MWave has cheap hard drives too.

If you buy a case that comes with with a power supply, be prepared to take a gamble. I've been lucky and unlucky. Check reviews.

Quote: "FYI I work in IT..."


That doesn't qualify you for anything, and your knowledge is probably stagnating because you don't do any research or keep up with the times.

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 23:03
Avoid integrated graphics, which includes any graphics that say 'Intel' underneath. Go for a proper graphics card. Integrated graphics are terrible for gaming, you can game on them but you're looking at some low spec games to play.

From what I've seen AMD CPU + AMD GPU seem to be the cheaper choices.


However, my main tip with buying a cheap computer would be, your 'value-for-money' isn't just placed on getting the highest spec for the lowest price, but also choosing something reliable. The worst thing to happen is for your computer to die after the warranty has ran out, because then you're spending extra cash. It happened to me when I went for a cheap high-spec laptop for gaming - £700 then later £420 when I could afford to replace it with something more reliable (but with integrated graphics).

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Quote: "That doesn't qualify you for anything, and your knowledge is probably stagnating because you don't do any research or keep up with the times.
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I do per build but lets leave it at that ^^...

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Posted: 30th Dec 2011 23:04
Ok so what iv'e read is that I should buy the following...

AMD Phenom X4

Any ASUS AM3 or AM3+ motherboard

4 gigs or more of DDR3 RAM,expensive RAM

and a power supply of at least 550?

is this all correct?

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I completely dissagree with the AMD stuff but... if its within your budget go for it... I suggest you take on your own preference over brands.

Hi Sepp!

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I would say go for the 8GB RAM, it's so cheap these days. I'd also suggest a 650W PSU, just to be sure ( though those 28nm GPU's should use alot less, you can never be sure. So don't buy on the edge ).

I've got an AMD Phenom II X4 955 myself, but if you're buying purely for gaming now I'd recommend the 3.3GHz Sandybridge i3 because most games barely use 2 cores, let alone 4. And looking at individual cores the intel's are faster than the AMD ones. Though it all comes down to personal choice.

As for brands. PSU I'd recommend Corsair, never had problems with those. And RAM either Kingston or Corsair. These are simply the brands I've had the best experiences with

Good luck

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I was planning to buy then intel i7 is that one any good? your not the first one ive heard to say amd isnt the best

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Quote: "I completely dissagree with the AMD stuff but"


AMD CPUs give you more bang for your buck. Yes I'm more of an Intel person myself but even I cannot deny that (For the Prices) AMD CPUs are better choices for people with a budget...

Quote: "Ok so what iv'e read is that I should buy the following...

AMD Phenom X4

Any ASUS AM3 or AM3+ motherboard

4 gigs or more of DDR3 RAM,expensive RAM

and a power supply of at least 550?

is this all correct?"


Yes for the most part. Make sure the PSU your getting has enough Amps on the 12V+ Rail to support the Video card you might want to get.

I suggest an ATI Raedon HD 6870 GPU or an Nvidia Gefocre GTX 550 Ti GPU. Their powerful enough and is not too cheap. What Seppuku Arts said about Integrated graphics is true. Stay away from them...

Pretty much everything charger bandit said is true (although could have been said with a less harsh tone...)

Quote: "I would say go for the 8GB RAM, it's so cheap these days"


Very cheap...

Quote: "FYI I work in IT..."


Quote: "That doesn't qualify you for anything, and your knowledge is probably stagnating because you don't do any research or keep up with the times."


I don't work in IT myself (Yet...) But I believe it's all about experience...

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Quote: "I don't work in IT myself (Yet...) But I believe it's all about experience..."


KNUCHLE TOUCH

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Definitely don't skimp on the psu. under-estimating your power usage can kill your hardware and data.

I found this site useful when I was last upgrading.

http://support.asus.com/PowerSupply.aspx?SLanguage=en

I have an pretty old video card (gts250) and I still need minimum 550Watts.

on that site, when I crank up the video card specs the power need can rise right up to 850 Watts -and gaming works the card hard.


for 300 really your looking at a netbook laptop or a very very low end pc.

I would spend about 800 for the hardware. Add 100 if you want new windows.(7 is pretty good even if a little over zealous with its privilege system)

I got this machine when I last upgraded
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/INTEL-Core-i7-2600-3-4GHz-DESKTOP-COMPUTER-PC-1TB-8GB-/230603872676?pt=AU_comp_dekstop&hash=item35b10fd9a4

with the gts250 it runs skyrim on ultra like a dream.

I think If you get a good base machine then you can always add to it later when you have more money.

if you buy low end crap then your stuck with low end crap and then you gotta replace everything again to upgrade.

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hmm recomended for me is 700 wattts

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Remember,what the website says is not always right. It also said for my previous GPU(Radeon 4770) that I need atleast 650w but I ran it completely fine with a Corsair 500w PSU. For the GTX550Ti it says you need atleast 400w.

Intel might have same fast dual cores as AMD six core because almost no games use more than 2 cores BUT in the recent releases,games are actually starting to use more cores. And also rendering speed is a bonus with more cores.

So a good power supply(to be sure) would be a Corsair CX600 then,it is pretty cheap and it really gives out a decent punch.

But it seems you can't really decide on the budged,you definately cannot put an i7 into a 500-600 dollar build,that would be more an 800 one.


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Quote: "3 gig DDR2 dual channel memory"

umm, 3? Either you have two 1.5GB sticks or you have a 1GB that isn't running dual channel


Quote: "You're looking at around 200 for a graphics card alone, and that won't be exactly high end"

I beg to differ. $200 can get you a very capable graphics card. Even $100 can get a decent card, way more than enough to handle WoW and stuff. I'm not familiar with the games he listed though.

Quote: "I'd also suggest a 650W PSU, just to be sure ( though those 28nm GPU's should use alot less, you can never be sure"

Suggest based on what? Without specs you can't say he needs any certain amount. And you can be fairly certain, most GFX cards state a minimum PSU requirement.

Quote: "Building a PC would be far cheaper and easier"

I would argue that for a budget PC. It's not impossible, but for a budget system it's difficult to build one that matches a $300 price tag of big companies.

Quote: "so buy better than what you need and when you buy a new rig which needs more juice, you have a PSU to go"

Which leaves your old system inoperable and your new system with an old used PSU. I only use a 430w PSU, but then my components were specifically chosen for lower power consumption than usual.

Quote: "And higher Wattage PSU's often have better AMPerage"

Which is important to consider for certain graphics cards, so valid point indeed.

Quote: "So you would rather get a threaded dualcore than a sixcore for the same price?!"

For gaming, I would go with the higher clock speed rather than worry about who has the most cores that won't be used.


Quote: "I completely dissagree with the AMD stuff"

I prefer Intel myself, but why would you completely disregard AMD? They make a perfectly capable CPU, especially if price is a big concern.


Quote: "I was planning to buy then intel i7 is that one any good?"

Umm yea the i7 pretty much dominates the market right now, but it's also around $300. That's almost your whole budget right there.

Quote: "I have an pretty old video card (gts250) and I still need minimum 550Watts."

And several newer, more powerful cards require less than that. The Nvidia ION only requires 18 watts



As for power supplies, I primarily only use two brands: Antec and SeaSonic. My last two systems have used SeaSonic and would highly recommend them to anyone. Never failed, and I promise you won't find a quieter PSU. But, they probably aren't cheap enough for your budget.

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Posted: 31st Dec 2011 09:48
@Phaelax: The new 28nm 600 series coming uit early 2012 should perform at 3x more per Watt than the 500 series. Therefor you can assume that power demand will lower, unless the cards suddenly get 3times as powerfull ( which I doubt ) and in that case a stronger PSU is needed just to be sure. So I recommend a 650W PSU.

@kezzla: I have a gts250 too and really love that little card <3
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Recently came across the AMD C Series chips and can only say... EPIC FAIL...enough said... we returned it and got intel which surprisingly did not BSOD yet... the AMD chipset BSOD'd within 12 hours if not less of usage... not once... not twice... but five times inside 36 hours... this was a laptop so dont start silly comments...

So before anyone says I am in any way biased towards any brand... know that I ALWAYS GIVE EACH BRAND A CHANCE TO PROVE ITSELF... and sadly AMD has continued to fail cake at every stage... sod off with your remarks on 'buy a higher end chip' as I always say... YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.


READ AND LISTEN... I HAVE HAD MANY AMD CPU'S AND ALL OF THEM HAVE FAILED AT SOME POINT NOT JUST A DECADE AGO BUT TWO MONTHS AGO... NONE... NOT ONE OF MY INTEL CHIPS HAVE FAILED ME YET. (apply Apu voice where required - you know Apu from the Simpsons lol)

So remember I am not biased.. I am speaking from PERSONAL experience

In case anybody thinks I was angry there... then clearly I you do not know me yet ahahahahha... But yeah... back on topic

about the three gig thing... its triple channel 1GB so three 1GB sticks.

Now get out of my shop I want to program this soda machine to make me a hot chocolate beer...

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I've used AMD chips before and never had one fail, but then I've never had a single CPU fail ever. Are you certain your chip failed and not your motherboard?

I forgot that there were a few triple channel boards floating around out there.


Here's the best budget gaming PC I could come up with.

AMD Athlon II X3 3.3GHz - $72
ECS A885GM-A2 motherboard - $40
G.Skill Sniper 2x4GB - $40
Seagate 500GB 7200rpm sata6 - $85
Asus DVD burner - $20
Sapphire Radeon HD6870 1GB - $145
OCZ 550w PSU - $40
Gigabyte ATX mid tower - $15

Total: $457

There's an MSI motherboard for $88 which unlocks the X3 to an X4 and supposedly more L1/L2 cache. If you want a blu-ray drive, it's only $60. weren't so high still.

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