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Geek Culture / Though I'm 28 years old, when I stay with girls, I still feel very nervous.

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fallen one
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Posted: 11th Apr 2012 03:37
I have been quietly watching the reciprocation.


Part 16b of the fallen one lecture series.
What is woman? defining large social groups.
Generalisation - when one wants to know the state of a whole, then one must make a generalisation across groups and not individuals.

When we look at a tree, we may use the term leaves, we do not say leaf number 1, leaf number 2, we group them and form generalisations, one may say the tree has green leaves, even though some may be brown, or some may be yellow. One must also do the same when defining people, even though there are minor differences or exceptions, we can still group them as a whole and define the behavior of these groups, when one argues against a generalisation, one must be sure not to throw the baby out with the bath water, which leads you against having the ability to apply logical discrimination.

Generalisation and descrimination, the tools of a logical mind that is able to see the former random qualities of nature, to give outcomes that are predictive and statistically more controllable.



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Posted: 11th Apr 2012 03:49
You can't be serious.


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Posted: 11th Apr 2012 10:34
Quote: "The ginger kid with classes from Fireman Sam"
Ah man, seriously? Never watched it, and I'm Welsh! Did you just want a fellow Ginger friend (I assume from old Romanian woman avatar picture)? Nah, currently I have a lot of curly hair and a lot of beard. In a few years possibly I could get a job as Santa. Or ZZ Top. At my worst I looked more like Brian May with a beard.

Out of interest any guess at what our wedding aisle music was? A small clue is, as I said, it was a GNR song, but also my idea of Metallica and my fiance's idea of Slayer were rejected for much more toned down music.

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Posted: 11th Apr 2012 11:27
Yes fallen one, we use generalisation each day to some degree, even towards humans. Everyone does.
Thats just using common sense.... Doesnt mean we should assume, when we walk up to a woman that, she is just like everyone else. That is just stupid..


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Posted: 11th Apr 2012 12:22 Edited at: 11th Apr 2012 12:22
I agree with Quik's "Middle Ground" approach.

*Breath's in*

I think the old jest about us being as unique as snowflakes holds a lot of wisdom to it. If you look down on [xyz] City's CBD you'll see the hordes making their comings and goings. It's a rough sea of people coming in waves in all directions. While the majority of them (sorry to say this) are mindless puppets of a system that created their very personas(?pluralisation?), they do have some minor differences that one could say make them unique if one looks close enough. The level of uniqueness will vary from individual to individual (with those who are too unique being ostricised). So in essence, I think the logical mind observes a set of "parts" with one major thing in common as a singular entity or "Group" - DIM people(n). We would not say "a bucket of many water molecules, some bacteria and a few pieces of micro-debris", we simply say "a bucket of water". In essence - generalisation

However, when talking to a single person - a singular component of that amorphous mass of people - we have to shed that view of a person being a part of anything and observe them as an individual (albeit temporarily, lol). We now look at a single bacterium in the bucket (yes, innuendo intended). This is probably the first phase of discrimination (not a bad word in its original context). The second phase of discrimination happens when we group that person into a group... Oh wait, we just generalised

Hahaha, we all do it to some degree or another. We catagorise people. For example, who here can honestly say they've never typed the word "sheeple" in a forum on on a social-networking site or even a text message? That is because we consider those unable to question life/ponder existence to be nothing more than drones (which they are ). But "[...remember the dull and the ignorant for they too have story]" - I'm paraphrasing because I can't recall the text or who wrote it.

I think, as a pragmatist and a realist (or one striving to be one - yes, there are many jokes in that), the best path to take is the middle one. Accept that we do generalise and be aware of this. Allow ourselves our preconceptions but be open to being proven wrong and pleasantly surprised when we meet someone who's not just another cardboard cut out.

Generalise ---> Discriminate ---> Catagorise.

Because we are all part of a group. The mere fact that we are not members of the majority group actually groups us as members of the group called "Not members of traditional society". The fact that I am an individual groups me with the group called "individuals". The fact that you stereotype woman, makes you, fallen one, a stereotypical member of the group "people who stereotype".

For those who've seen Monty Python's Life of Brian:
There's a brilliant scene where Brian yells at all his followers:

Brian: "You don't need a messiah, you are all individuals!"

Masses: "We are all individuals!"

Random Voice: "I'm not!"

And this little piece of comedy is probably the most profound thing that has ever come out of cinema.

*Breathes out*

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Posted: 11th Apr 2012 13:51
Quote: "Out of interest any guess at what our wedding aisle music was? A small clue is, as I said, it was a GNR song, but also my idea of Metallica and my fiance's idea of Slayer were rejected for much more toned down music."


Paradise City? (Where the grass is green and the girls are pretty?)

Quote: "Ah man, seriously? Never watched it, and I'm Welsh! Did you just want a fellow Ginger friend (I assume from old Romanian woman avatar picture)? Nah, currently I have a lot of curly hair and a lot of beard. In a few years possibly I could get a job as Santa. Or ZZ Top. At my worst I looked more like Brian May with a beard. "


Not a ginger here. Perhaps it's just the light in the pick. Though I could dig a ZZ Top beard, don't think I could ever grow one, the beard growing gene in our family is pretty lame, at least down my dad's side (not that my mum has an epic beard). I've not shaved in 3 months and I've barely got anything.



On generalisation & discrimination, I find generalising and discriminating people is a lazy way of judging people. Yes, we may generalise time to time, but generally we don't mean to judge people in that way. I try not to presuppose anything about anyone because any presuppositions I may have can be wholly inaccurate.

I certainly wouldn't go as far as to think a woman who is shoe shopping is buying them because they're phallic. The wonderful thing about Freudian psychology is that you can take something seemingly innocent and make it sexual, like a man stabbing another man with his sword is somehow homoerotic. Or the length of a sword compensating for something, so medieval men wielding claymores says something about what they're like in bed...not that a claymore being built heavy so it can smash into armour counts. (These are arguments I've heard from English teachers applying Freud to literature) One of my characters in a story, a crazed doctor asks his patient "can I suck on your aorta?" Clearly that means I'm a closet homosexual, because the aorta in this context could be phallic. What amount men who like to buy shoes?


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Posted: 11th Apr 2012 14:44
Quote: "my fiance's idea of Slayer"

Your fiance loves Slayer? That's coool, dude!

Quote: "Nah, currently I have a lot of curly hair and a lot of beard. In a few years possibly I could get a job as Santa. Or ZZ Top."

Hum, I always thought you looked like Dirk Benedict. With or without beard.
Btw, can you sing? If so, go for teh ZZ Top act.

Quote: "I've not shaved in 3 months and I've barely got anything."

Whoooaaah Sepp, really??
If I'd do that, I'd have a serious beard.
Here's a tip from old folks to 'feed' your beard: apply a bit of pigeon crap daily on your skin.
Heheh, just kidding of course.
Actually, you have an advantage for not growing a beard easily. It means buying less rasor soap, etc...

On topic: I'd say we should never judge people by their look, sex, or whatever. They might surprise you.

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Posted: 11th Apr 2012 15:27
Quote: "Paradise City"
Nice, but no. We needed a longer instrumental bit for walking up the aisle.

Quote: "Not a ginger here. Perhaps it's just the light in the pick"
Denial. Classic.

Quote: "I've not shaved in 3 months and I've barely got anything"
Yeah that's pretty bad. Give me a week and I start looking homeless... Luckily the wife loves the rough and ready look. She told me if I shaved for the wedding she wouldn't bother walking down the aisle

Quote: "Your fiance loves Slayer? That's coool, dude"
Yep. She leans more on the harder stuff than me. Overall she has been to hundreds of concerts. All her CDs are full of tickets she saved. On the other hand though she also loves bands on the other end of the scale. For instance tomorrow we are going to see Steps. Luckily I *love* the Beegees (Tragedy) so I don't mind as much as I say...

Quote: "Hum, I always thought you looked like Dirk Benedict"
Hmmm. Nice. Nope not at all. Without hair (once had a zero cut) I look like a cross between a bouncer and a baby. Honest. Luckily a beard and hair hides such qualities!

Quote: "It means buying less rasor soap, etc"
Same for me

Quote: "I'd say we should never judge people by their look, sex, or whatever. They might surprise you"
Yes, I may look like a bit like a homeless roadie most of the time but most of my iPod is glam rock. Love it. Plus I went to see Mama Mia in the cinema like 5 times (love ABBA). One time at the end I announced quite loudly that my missus owed me one for going there (only me and about 50 women there). She hates ABBA...

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Posted: 11th Apr 2012 15:56
Quote: "Quote: "Not a ginger here. Perhaps it's just the light in the pick"
Denial. Classic.
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Lol, I was born blonde haired and blue eyes...oh and I lived in Germany when I was a toddler, so I was blonde haired, blue eyes and could speak some German...there could be a Nazism joke in there somewhere.

Quote: "Nice, but no. We needed a longer instrumental bit for walking up the aisle."


November Rain? It has a Wedding in the music video and a few decent guitar solos in it. A bit of mellow choice though, I figured given the alternatives were Metallica and Slayer, you'd pick a heavier GnR song.

Quote: "Whoooaaah Sepp, really??"


Really. I was kind of hoping to get a proper Viking beard, maybe like Marco Heitala's in time for Wacken this August, ain't gonna happen.

Quote: "Yes, I may look like a bit like a homeless roadie most of the time but most of my iPod is glam rock. Love it. Plus I went to see Mama Mia in the cinema like 5 times (love ABBA). One time at the end I announced quite loudly that my missus owed me one for going there (only me and about 50 women there). She hates ABBA..."


And I look like an old Romanian lady, but I'm actually a 22 year old male from Cambridge, funny how assumptions work.


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Posted: 11th Apr 2012 16:25
Quote: "November Rain?"
Yep. The piano bit at the start was ace for getting down the aisle (actually a pier in Cyprus). And no to the heavier. We realised might be a bit weird being too heavy.

Amusingly though we did have a chillout album for signing the docs and photos etc, but we put the wrong CD in. It was fine, but the first song was "Riders on the storm" which isn't ideal lyrics for a wedding, coupled with the fact that we were on a pier surrounded by sea.

Quote: "I'm actually a 22 year old male from Cambridge"
I'm a 39 year old male from Cambridge. Actually Ely. Which reminds me, if I could have got Sisters of Mercy as aisle music I would have. Not a hope though...

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Posted: 11th Apr 2012 23:05 Edited at: 11th Apr 2012 23:08
Quote: "Thought I was going for a few laughs. But c'mon if you can't see the line of humour running through the whole thread then I think you misread most of it"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law


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but I reread it and still can't see any dead giveaways.

And I thought trolling was against the rules in the forum if you don't have a picture of a cat as an avatar?

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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 00:05
Quote: "And I thought trolling was against the rules in the forum if you don't have a picture of a cat as an avatar?"

Hehehehe... Subtle...

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Girls have cooties. That's all you'll ever need to know about them.

Quote: "And I thought trolling was against the rules in the forum if you don't have a picture of a cat as an avatar?"


Almost sounds as though you're implying I'm a troll or something. Just because a moderator once said it, doesn't make it true.



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Quote: "thats a matter of situation, if theyre best buds/close friends then yes, things MIGHT become different..."

If they are best buds, and feel like the friendship will last throughout the ages, then sure. But chances are, once a person does get into a relationship with a different woman, and possibly get married, that friendship will fade away. It's a nice pipedream, but in real life, it's hard to have a best friend who is the opposite sex while in a serious committed relationship. I may be weird, but I would personally find it very uncomfortable for my wife to be a close friend/best bud with another dude.

Quote: "Of course. Worse case scenario is you lose your best friend and you hurt for *years*. In some cases people (lets be fair, I mean boys) fall back on the Friendzone, because it is better than nothing. Which it is. Sadly."

I for one believe that a lifelong question on "would it have worked" and knowing that you didn't try and will never know would be just as crippling to the spirit if not more. Especially if you consider what I said above.

Plus, if you really like the girl, and you are friendzoned, wouldn't hanging out not be very fun, anyway? I never understood the whole friendzone thing. I've got a "crap or get off the pot" attitude, though. If I were single and asked a friend to go out with me, and she said no, oh well. At least I tried. If she decided to not hang out with me anymore afterwards. Her loss.

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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 10:20
Quote: "knowing that you didn't try and will never know would be just as crippling to the spirit if not more"
Perhaps. But what about an amazing lifelong friendship that would die or at least never be the same if anything was said?

Quote: "friendzoned, wouldn't hanging out not be very fun"
If everything about them made your day and it's not just a physical attraction then it's fine. After being 18 you don't *have* to be an emotional bad poem writing (when you look back years later they are not the hidden poetic gems you thought they were at the time) potato bag 24/7.

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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 10:22
Quote: "Perhaps. But what about an amazing lifelong friendship that would die or at least never be the same if anything was said? "


Thats the usual concern : ) however, both points are valid... it might, just might become something "better".
and heck, if you do confess it might still stay "the same".


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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 10:38
Quote: "if you do confess it might still stay "the same""
"Might" should be in capitals, bold, and flashing in neon. After many months of being her best friend then it's most likely (esp if a bit younger) to have her on such a high mantle that instead of "I actually quite like you" it will come out more like "I love you more than anyone has loved anyone! Our love will be eternal! Marry me and our children will be glorious!". And there will be large elaborate cards, flowers, possibly a band, jewellery, and possibly inappropriate underwear (that you will probably never see her in). There is *no* way that is going back to BFF status, with bonus holding hands and jackpot "How do you think I look in this bra?" (She thinks you are gay as you never talk about other women or even look at them).

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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 11:27
Quote: "Perhaps. But what about an amazing lifelong friendship that would die or at least never be the same if anything was said? "


I would like to reiterate what I said before and add in a bit more to make myself clear:
Quote: "once a person does get into a relationship with a different woman, and possibly get married, that friendship (with the other girl) will fade away. It's a nice pipedream, but in real life, it's hard to have a best friend who is the opposite sex while in a serious committed relationship."


Quote: "(She thinks you are gay as you never talk about other women or even look at them)."

I don't think being viewed as gay (when you're not) and having a girlfriend is a great alternative to actually having a girlfriend to spend your time with in which you can share more intimate moments with. And not only in the bedroom.

Quote: "If everything about them made your day and it's not just a physical attraction then it's fine."

And it would probably linger in the mind that it will never go any farther than
Quote: "BFF status, with bonus holding hands and jackpot "How do you think I look in this bra?" "

There are girls in bikinis on the beach, and girls in bras on the internet and in magazines. I would rather have a bra on my bedroom floor. (and as risque as this sounds) You can have her hold your hand, I'm gonna have her holding something else. And when that naughty stuff is not happening, I can have just as much if not more fun hanging out with her than i can with a BFF.

I understand what you are saying, but I think stepping up and going after what you want is more important, profitable, and enjoyable than stepping back and letting someone else get it. Which is what will happen. As soon as she starts dating a differnt guy, shes not gonna be your BFF anymore. And if she tries to be, its going to get extremely awkward when her alpha male boyfriend is staring you down.

is great, but oh so . Be a and life is so much more .

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Quote: "in real life, it's hard to have a best friend who is the opposite sex while in a serious committed relationship"
True. But what if you are socially inadequate and it is a long time before you are in a serious committed relationship? It's nice to have really good friends when you are lonely.

Quote: "I don't think being viewed as gay (when you're not) and having a girlfriend"
But that's the point. When you have a girlfriend then the love of your life best friend obviously fades, but if you are *besotted* by the best friend then you are not going to have a girlfriend. If you do then she would be someone that will fill in the frustrated moments inbetween the 23 other hours of the day when you are mooning over the best friend. To be in this position in the first place pretty much implies the person is not exactly the centre of the party when it comes to social occasions, so it's doubtful this girlfriend will even exist anyway. Hmm, misread your sentence a little a think. Possibly having a great friend who is a girl might make up for a girlfriend you don't really get on with, but not at like 18. Write hidden never to be seen poems about how you love the best friend and totally be controlled by your hormones the rest of the time.

Quote: " I can have just as much if not more fun hanging out with her than i can with a BFF"
Depends on the person. After a few years if you have as much fun with the girlfriend as with the BFF then the BFF ceases to be your BFF. You will gradually realise how great the girlfriend is and how not quite love of your life the old BFF is. Ever notice the average girl becomes better looking the more you talk to her over the weeks? Apparently is all in the pheromones. On the other hand if the girlfriend is worse than a cardboard box to hang around with and talk to then the more the BFF will tug at your heart.

Quote: "I think stepping up and going after what you want is more important, profitable, and enjoyable than stepping back and letting someone else get it"
Some of the time yes. But it all depends on the situation and the people. What works for some won't work for everyone. Overall I personally think you are right. You should go for what you want. I'm moving to Cyprus on tuesday for example. I would regret it for years if I didn't do it. But I think you need all the information before being able to say that for every case. It would have destroyed me when I was a kid if "the love of my life TM" had reacted badly. At 18 it's a not a great time to be that depressed when you are on the fringes of Goth and think you are the next Dylan Thomas

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@Benjamin:
Quote: "Almost sounds as though you're implying I'm a troll or something. Just because a moderator once said it, doesn't make it true."

I believe you for what it's worth. I've seen you make many valuable contributions and state many opinions I've agreed with in my lurking and a couple in threads I've participated in (Although I do think you have what some may call a "mischievous streak"). Mods are not perfect and sometimes people in general can't handle a serious debate when it's not going in their favour or, for that matter, any kind of criticism of their POV. I also have learned though, that sometimes saying things that unnecessarily spark off an argument is a little futile so I choose to voice an "offensive"/"unpopular" opinion only where it matters to me and in the right place, ie, I would not go to a 3D board and start going on about 2D being better. People form little communities (within communities sometimes) where they can go about their opinions unchallenged. Annoying: yes. But it's their inalienable human right. Open places (such as off-topic) are a different matter though. My opinion is "can't take the heat, get out the kitchen". However I think a lot comes down to how you word things too. Sometimes people can misinterpret a person as deliberately stirring or making an attack on them. When that happens, they become hostile without first clarifying the situation. I cite myself in a thread where I posted a link that went against AUP as an example. I got cross with the guy who was actually trying to do me a favour by warning me about my content.
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Quote: "I've got a "crap or get off the pot" attitude, though. If I were single and asked a friend to go out with me, and she said no, oh well. At least I tried. If she decided to not hang out with me anymore afterwards. Her loss."

Well said, couldn't agree more. It's a do or don't world and we don't have time for regrets.

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All this BFF with a girl chat is doing my noggin in! If you find yourself in a situation where you really like a girl a lot, and you fancy her, but you're best friends and don't want to damage the friendship, you've done something very wrong indeed.

Physical attraction comes first, right? Becoming good friends comes second. So you knew you fancied her from day one, and you FAILED miserably by going into the friend zone. The friend zone is only for people who either aren't attracted to them, or are epic failures.

Advice for the future: if you fancy a girl, you need to flirt from day one. You don't have to be obscene, overt, a leering wretch or anything. You just need to complement their appearance, subtly show you're attracted, make physical contact (no groping please lads!) etc. If you fail to do this, you will be friend zoned and referred to as the dreaded "Like a brother" at which point it's all over.

If your flirtations are rejected early on, you know she's not attracted to you. You can then make a call early on whether it's friend zone or no-zone at all.

That bloody friend zone though! Bane of a guys life. Stamp it out or accept it eternally from day 1. Don't try and defeat it 6 months down the line. There is rarely a tactic to defeat it once it's got it's hooks in.

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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 15:23
Quote: "you've done something very wrong indeed"
I didn't say you hadn't. Sometimes (esp when young and inexperienced) it is quite easy to get in that situation.

Quote: "you fancy her, but you're best friends and don't want to damage the friendship"
You are talking about the bike right? Yeah, it's the bike...

Quote: "Physical attraction comes first, right?"
Not all the time or at least not completely. I remember a bird I met in Uni when I was 18 who was not my type at all (I accepted she was pretty cute in the back of my alcohol soaked mind) and we became good friends over the next couple of years. However I deeply fancied and ended up going out with her older best mate (good God I just realised she would be about 50 by now...). I was so besotted with her mate I hardly noticed her in any other way but a good friend. After splitting up with her mate I realised she was actually totally awesome and fit as hell. Stupidly by then I was more like her brother. etc annoying etc. You are still talking about the bike though right?

Quote: "That bloody friend zone though"
Yep. Google friendzone images. There are loads of funny ones

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Posted: 12th Apr 2012 15:42 Edited at: 12th Apr 2012 15:43
Leave the bike out of this!!

I see your dilemma with your friend and her best mate, but really you should've flirted with both of them from day one. There would've been no harm. Your girlfriend of the time would've been mildly jealous, which is a good thing imo. Both would've been flattered, assuming you didn't come across as a filthy perv (can be hard to get right for some), and then you would've always been seen as a possibility for the future.

Of course, I'm just throwing out random advice like I'm some sort of sex god when in fact I'm not and I've made all the same mistakes in my past. It's just the beauty of hindsight. If I flirt with a girl now, it's not because I'm putting her on the back burner for if I split up with my mrs. It's just because I like the reaction, and flirtation is far more interesting than talking about what job you do, or whether you watched Britain's Got Talent last night.

My thought now is just flirt with everyone (of your preferred gender(s)) whenever it's appropriate. It just makes life and relationships more interesting. If they fancy your ugly mug, the fact they might see you as relationship material in a what if scenario is just a bonus.

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Quote: "really you should've flirted with both of them from day one"
I seriously overlooked my friend. I honestly did not even consider her attractive at all and only had eyes for her mate. Ahem, there were certain physical attributes of her mate that were more generous lets say. Ahem. I was very shallow back then. After becoming less shallow (about a year later and being dumped by her mate when she moved away) I realised my friend was basically stunning and I fell for her like nothing else. I was only about 18 and my avatar is who I would *love* to be, not who I actually am (esp at 18)

Quote: "I'm just throwing out random advice like I'm some sort of sex god"
The bike loving brings it down somewhat... And I agree with the flirting thing. Now. Experience makes you a lot better. I was a cocky little git when I was 18 but not that great with the women. With experience and years gone by it becomes a lot better. I'm bloody great nowadays. Honestly, wish I was me back when I was 18!

Quote: "My thought now is just flirt with everyone"
And everything? Vrroom vroom... I agree. Ahem, at least before-I-was-married me agrees with you (Quietly) Do you know how I first started getting close to my wife before we were going out? Joke emails about sheep (I'm Welsh) and a certain scene in Monkey Dust about a bath...

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Posted: 13th Apr 2012 00:54 Edited at: 13th Apr 2012 01:04
Didnt really follow the thread discussion but just wanna say that talking to girls is kinda hard yes. I am fine if its business talk like if she is a client, or my lawyer or something, but whenever i hang out with a girl, i have this sudden fear of talking to them its even worse if i hang out with a girl alone which only happens with girls i knew for a while so i guess i am in their friendzone or something.

on the contrary, for some reason i have this thing, where drunk females often hit on me which usually turned out less awkward because they often find things to talk about and lead the conversation.

a few times, a girl and myself found common interest, like heavy Metal. Unfourtunatley, girls that are into videogames starwars fans or computer saavy girls dont exist.
Recentley i met a girl trough my friend, and i am later told that her hobbies are modding computers and she knows quite a lot about that. Also she is a hardcore Starwars Fan like myself (well i am less hardcore than most starwars fans, i just know a lot of random facts about the star wars universe for example: the company that eventually built the famous Imperial Star destroyer, Copied the dsign of a rival company which was the first to build a cruiser called Victory class Star Destroyer. which are quite rare and only about 200 were built since the empire chose the cheaper knockoff for the military. Victory star destroyers were eventually sold of to private sectors of the empire and companies and stuff.
Also, the design of low altitude clone transport gunship, was actually based of a real soviet gunship helicopter Mi-24 (the weird looking one with 2 bubble cockpits) which just like the Clone transport was a universal attack gunship and a troop transport helicopter.

i wish there was a girl who i could share this stuff with lol, Unfourtunatley that girl i met trough my friend had a boyfriend altho i really wouldnt mind being friendzoned by someone like her.

BTW, i am only 22 years old, but something tells me that by the time i am 28 (like the author of the thread) i will still have troble talking to girls. Hell i dont like talking to people in general, I have this serios antisocial reclusive thing, i got sonce i moved to moscow. Maybe its because, i didnt have any friends here at the time as well as hardtime ajusting to a new country, my social skills atriphed. I did almost beat it when i had a fulltime job and as a computer fixer guy its my job to smoothtalk customers into paying more money. but i had moral concerns and other problems, I eventually quit and spent 2 years not really socialising with anyone other than my only friend. I have to force myself to call peoople like my lawyer if i have to talk to them and i hate dealing with lawyers but i have to. I even dont pick up my phone because i dont want to deal with people, Especially relatives.


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Posted: 13th Apr 2012 11:49
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Quote: "wish there was a girl who i could share this stuff with lol,"

Don't give up hope so easily. Though the ratio is insane of geeks to geekesses(?spelling, made up word for female geeks?) that doesn't mean you won't find someone. Here's a list of good hunting grounds and their requirements. [a] indicates actual experience, [3] indicates 3rd-party info.

[a] Anime and Comic conventions (rumours about all geekesses being unattractive is BS. Granted most of them put a little less effort into their appearance but many are definitely not unnatractive - not that looks are everything)

[3] Hobbyist shops - the kind that sell anime/comic book character/Warhammer models etc.

[3] LAN parties. Apparently there are loads of girls there.

As for striking up a conversation, it's a little difficult to approach a stranger and just start a conversation. Maybe contrive a logical reason? Like asking for directions at a convention, thanking her, disappearing and "bumping into her out of chance" later since "coincidence" is always a good icebreaker.

I'm still nervous around girls I like (Although not around girls I don't. I got to the stage a while ago where a pretty face and nice figure mean little to me - no matter how revealingly it's packaged) but I've learned to fake not being nervous. Sadly life's generally about suppressing your emotions. "Fear is the mind-killer". This is a cliche but it actually does work: "Let her do all the talking, ask her questions...." ....Not ad infinitum of course. Trick's commenting on her answers to fill your conversation quota. Another trick you can try (warning: it's a 50/50 hit or miss) is to check the time on your phone and end the conversation saying you have to [insert some important TO-DO] and suggest you pick-up where you left off another time. Then just ask for her number. She'll give it to you if she likes you or finds you interesting, she'll give you a fake number or say no if not. I like this method because ensure the outcome is either yay or nay and nothing in-between. Fortune favours the bold (cunning font-related joke). Besides, whatcha got to loose if it fails? You don't know her, you'll prolly never see her again so no awkwardness. Nobody else is going to know you hit on her and got rejected so no loss of pride. If you fail 20 times, isn't it still worth it for the one time you succeed (which the law of averages dictates you will)?

Just my 5 yen's worth

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