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MrValentine
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Kevin, well put!

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2012 04:35
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I shall do kevin

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2012 11:28 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2012 12:05
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And now everyone is bashing Jeku...



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I didn't get the feeling Jeku was angry about the age at all

Just the flaming and unconstructive parts in comments.

But apparently Slayer disagrees that there were flames?

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2012 13:08
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Now now, if anybody needs to be bashed it's me. I am President after all, aren't I supposed to shoulder the blame for everything that goes wrong in the world, regardless of whether or not it's in my control?

Quote: "Just the flaming and unconstructive parts in comments.

But apparently Slayer disagrees that there were flames?
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Yes. But if Slayer is happy with the comments he's receiving, then fairplay. Though I think Jeku was making a fair point as far as bashing goes. Maybe we've gotten a rather a bit bashy of late? I know this forum used to be flame central, but I guess we ought to give more people the benefit of the doubt? This kid has actually managed to do something pretty cool - I've not played the game and can't comment on its quality (might grab the demo and see) but he's managed to complete a game project and release it. Which is a lot more than most people here can say (myself included).

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2012 13:30
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I've been reading some of those threads in 2005/2006 and yes, they were flame central, but they looked like so much fun, wouldn't you agree? The bashing back then was done humorously at least, nowdays it just looks like everyone actually hates everyone.

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Just sell the game for $1500, then you just have to sell one copy, simple.

Shh... you're pretty.
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I bet notch would buy it!



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Quote: "Just sell the game for $1500, then you just have to sell one copy, simple. "


Listen to OBese87. He gets it.

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I'm sure most people would be very hesitant to donate, mainly because 1, there is no guarantee that you will in fact release it after the goal amount is reached. 2, there is no way that a donor can know that the goal amount will ever be reached, and I don't believe this is a donation drive of the charitable sort so it seems to be a purchase of the game, without actually receiving the product

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2012 16:49
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Okay just to clear things up about this $1500 goal,

I said in this thread that I would deal with that, and I am having some build issues, being that the game is 23 levels. The money does NOT have to be donated.

And how is everyone on this fine morning? ^_^

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Can somebody tell me since when donations were mixed in with the likes of Kickstarter?

Doing pretty fine at my shop with a head ache but otherwise not bad sold a bit of stock so pretty happy with myself... Sell a bit more and I will treat myself to some sushi tonight

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What?

Quote: "Doing pretty fine at my shop with a head ache but otherwise not bad sold a bit of stock so pretty happy with myself... Sell a bit more and I will treat myself to some sushi tonight "


Hope you get better.

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Quote: "You have no idea how wrong that statement is...

As a business your age is irrelavent... Hence also the purpose of a setting up as a legal entity such as a Limited Company... "


You have no idea how silly that statement is.

I don't know what planet you live on, but on mine, a minor cannot start a company, never mind form an LLC. And just so you know, there are actually (other) adult business owners on this forum. We just don't feel the need to brag about it.

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Quote: "You have no idea how silly that statement is. "


Aside from being legally [in the UK] able to set up a limited company from the age of 16 and up, and having the option of utilising guardians to form the business for you... I doubt I am wrong at all...



And I bragged? when? was just stating where my words were stemming from... Own Experience as I recall it...

So aside from speaking about something and having nothing to back up those words you bash people for having stated their experience to back up their statement... there is no satisfaction is there...

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How does anything that you just said relate to a 12 year old being sued for pretending to have a game company?

And the reason I used the word "brag" is because of the multitude of threads where you inject information about your company. I can't help it comes off as bragging.

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Posted: 4th Sep 2012 22:23 Edited at: 4th Sep 2012 22:41
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Mr V please just stop...though you might be right about being able to set up a limited company there are so many other restrictions to prevent it at that age not least of which would be the inability to obtain credit, business bank account details and the fact you need a business address that your point is irrelevant. If an adult backed it they would effectively be running it for him and when registering would have found the company name taken if not then its their responsibility...not the minor's. Some simple common sense please.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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Posted: 4th Sep 2012 22:53 Edited at: 4th Sep 2012 22:58
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Quote: "I don't know what planet you live on, but on mine, a minor cannot start a company, never mind form an LLC."


This is very true here on my world too.

Quote: " And just so you know, there are actually (other) adult business owners on this forum. We just don't feel the need to brag about it."


Yes there are.

Quote: "though you might be right about being able to set up a limited company there are so many other restrictions to prevent it at that age not least of which would be the inability to obtain credit, business bank account details and the fact you need a business address that your point is irrelevant. If an adult backed it they would effectively be running it for him and when registering would have found the company name taken if not then its their responsibility...not the minor's."


Exactly. At least here in our little corner of the world.

Quote: "So aside from speaking about something and having nothing to back up those words you bash people for having stated their experience to back up their statement"


I'd take anything Brian says as a friendly piece of advice. He's been at this for a long time, and has more experience in these matters than most.


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Posted: 4th Sep 2012 23:09 Edited at: 4th Sep 2012 23:14
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Quote: "and the fact you need a business address that your point is irrelevant."


Wrong... Can you please suggest what constitutes as a Business Address exactly?

Quote: "Some simple common sense please."


Indeed

Quote: "I'd take anything Brian says as a friendly piece of advice. He's been at this for a long time, and has more experience in these matters than most."


Never doubted him for a moment...

Just dislike the fact he thinks I am bragging when I am not I find assuming people to be very rude...

Anyway lets leave it where it is, I think this thread has run its course...

Either wa I have no quarrels with any of you I love how we debate on here

But any way... time to continue studying

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Oh I missed this bit out

Quote: "least of which would be the inability to obtain credit, business bank account details"


Aquiring credit even affects multi million dollar businesses, so please think about that one again...

Business bank accounts are also irrelavent here... as even if you are over 18, you are subject to passing credit checks as well... should you fail for whatever reason... you can and can not get one...

again lets leave it at that...

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So a minor can WORK but he/she cannot make a own buisness?

yeah that makes a lot of sense



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Posted: 4th Sep 2012 23:21 Edited at: 4th Sep 2012 23:32
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Quote: "Wrong... Can you please suggest what constitutes as a Business Address exactly?"

You require a registered office. Although it is not unusual to use your home address as a Registered Office there is a possibility that the Inland Revenue may deem your home to have contributed to the business and could therefore apply a capital gains charge. If its your parents home you wont get away with using it. You can of course use another companies office but what company is going to let a minor do this?
Call it a business address or registered office whatever you like....its not something a minor can acquire easily. Your inference is that any minor can set up an LLC its not so simple.
If you have your own company then why dont you know this?
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Business bank accounts are also irrelavent here... as even if you are over 18, you are subject to passing credit checks as well... should you fail for whatever reason... you can and can not get one..."

If you fail credit checks your screwed just the same I have no idea what your point is here.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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okay to end all of this blabber, I will explain.

It is registered under my fathers name he then moved all of the stock to me.

Understand?

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Posted: 4th Sep 2012 23:39 Edited at: 4th Sep 2012 23:40
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Quote: "If you have your own company then why dont you know this?"


Because I need primarily only know what affects me same for you too...

Quote: "If you fail credit checks your screwed just the same I have no idea what your point is here."


Who says you ALWAYS need a loan for a business?

Again I am tired of this now... got more reading to do so... just leave it there...

Quote: "So a minor can WORK but he/she cannot make a own buisness?

yeah that makes a lot of sense"


Gotta love this world right?

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Quote: "It is registered under my fathers name he then moved all of the stock to me. "


Thanks for pointing that one Slayer267

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Posted: 4th Sep 2012 23:48 Edited at: 4th Sep 2012 23:53
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Quote: "Because I need primarily only know what affects me same for you too..."

A registered office is fairly basic stuff and a major requirement...what are you talking about?

Quote: "Who says you ALWAYS need a loan for a business?"

It has nothing to do with loans, ask your bank manager he should have explained all this to you when you set up your business account.

Quote: "okay to end all of this blabber, I will explain.

It is registered under my fathers name he then moved all of the stock to me.

Understand?"


Ok since you have decided to continue living in LA LA Land you have your wish....rolfy has left the building.

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Quote: "Quote: "Because I need primarily only know what affects me same for you too..."
A registered office is fairly basic stuff and a major requirement...what are you talking about?


Quote: "Who says you ALWAYS need a loan for a business?"
It has nothing to do with loans, ask your bank manager he should have explained all this to you when you set up your business account."


OK clearly I am lost here... I am out too, this is just getting pointless for me now...

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Quote: "So a minor can WORK but he/she cannot make a own buisness?"


Erm, yeah? Working for an hourly wage is a lot different that running a business, if you're going to argue with that, then quite frankly you're an idiot.


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@Indicium

I believe that you should stop now... Its not good to underestimate somebody no matter what they believe. Anyone can do anything, no matter what their age. It just depends on how they use it. And do not call anybody an idiot. If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will live its whole life believing its stupid.

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Gentlemen, please stow your E-penises away...

Slayer is not going to get sued, because any company that tried would suffer a horrific PR backlash. More likely that he will change his mind about gaming, the company idea, ad other such things as he grows up. We all did that.

The feasibility is irrelevant, so please stop arguing about whether a 13 year-old boy can run a business, when the company I currently work for is in Administration and standing on the verge of slashing horrific amounts of staff depending on a single contract decided tomorrow.

I.e., the current business atmosphere is so hostile for those businesses who - for example - have headed their field on a global scale for 26 years, and are run by seasoned veterans.

A 13 year old has bugger-all chance of opening a lemonade stand and profiting these days. This argument is pointless.
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Quote: "Gentlemen, please stow your E-penises away..."

The first line of your post is very condescending and I wish folks would stop playing mod around here.
If its pointless then why post at all?

Of course he wont be sued (nothing to do with PR, its simply not worth wasting they're time on) that's what started the whole debate in the first place and the point where it no longer concerned the OP.

If there were no debate then the facts never emerge leaving only speculation, and misinformed opinion passed off as fact. I would hope that no one here would rather have that than simply agreeing with everything said. This board is the only one you could say was 'off topic' so civilized debate should not be a problem. The problem is when someone gets backed into a corner and the name calling starts (or as above calling someone an idiot to stress a point), it all descends into the playground again, its no longer informative when this happens and the point where the mods should intervene.

I understand why your irked but lets be honest your companies situation is nothing new and it all resting on one contract is simply the way it goes for many and you wont be the first or last either.

Whether someone says they are a company or not really means nothing to me and I couldn't care less whatever age they are, this is not about ability, never was, but some will get annoyed at having smoke blown up their butt, whatever.

My point is that on the whole there is nothing wrong with arguing a case if its to inform but as it seems the pseudo polis are going to drop in and tell everyone whats what, there is no point in responding to anything said around here and I will take that on board. You should do the same.

Quote: "the current business atmosphere is so hostile for those businesses who - for example - have headed their field on a global scale for 26 years, and are run by seasoned veterans."

I would love to debate this opinion with you but it would be pointless.
I hope your company is successful in securing the contract.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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Just release the game for free and then set up a way that people can donate to you and get extra content or something like that....


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Thats what I plan to do tom. I'll do $50 a new map or game mode or something. For everybody.

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Quote: " I'll do $50 a new map or game mode or something. For everybody."


Maybe you should drop that down to free as well Don't rush to make money. You don't need it right now, and all you can really do is make a name for yourself. No-one will pay money for a map-pack in a game that looks like it was made 12 years ago. That's not being unfair, that's just the facts.

My suggestion? Do the thing that someone in your financial position (at home, no responsibilities) can do - experiment, learn, iterate. Just keep trying little things, learning about what works and what doesn't, and always building on your skills. In seven year's time, you will be right ready to make money!

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Quote: "Erm, yeah? Working for an hourly wage is a lot different that running a business, if you're going to argue with that, then quite frankly you're an idiot."


I'm not arguing with that no, but I find it odd that children are allowed to work, but not setup a buisness - considering both have the focus on making money.

And hell yeah I know a buisness is really hard to run, I have a parent who works 800 kilometers from where I live, every 2 weeks (works there for about 3 weeks, is home 2-3 weeks, sometimes less)
when he comes home, he is quite exhausted.

Luckily, he has a wife who helps handling the financials.



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Quote: "I find it odd that children are allowed to work, but not setup a buisness"


You have financial responsibility for running a business. You can't take out a loan when you're a minor, you can't have a phone contract in your name, so I'd assume that means you can't have any legally binding contract. So how are you supposed to run a business? What happens if you become backrupt at the age of 16?


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Quote: "Anyone can do anything, no matter what their age."

Counterpoint: Drinking smoking driving

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Quote: "Drinking smoking driving"


which you CAN do at any age - just wont end up very well. completly irrelevant to wether you can do it or not



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Quote: "Anyone can do anything, no matter what their age."


Have a 60th Birthday party.

Something you CAN'T do, get served in a bar.


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Around here that is untrue, Indicium.
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I am more concerned about the fish, what is it with fish around here anyway?
I want to meet this fish that understands whats said about it....its a genius.
Or do some folks speak fish?

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Quote: "Around here that is untrue, Indicium."


Well, my 60th birthday point still stands!


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I had tuna for lunch and my burps smell like fish!

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I hate it when that happens.

Still, better than taking Flucloxicillin and finding your burps taste of mould.

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Quote: "which you CAN do at any age - just wont end up very well. completly irrelevant to wether you can do it or not"

Oh, so we're going to play the Mr. Technical game?

Quote: "Have a 60th Birthday party."

60 birthday parties in a day.

Quote: "Something you CAN'T do, get served in a bar."

If they serve food you can usually sit a table in a bar. Then, pick a fight with someone who doesn't mind insulting minors.

Yes I know you didn't post that but I wanted an excuse. Sorry moderators, I'll move myself back to the posting competition.

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I believe that I have figured out what im going to do now. May I request a lock for this thread?

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