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Dark Frager
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Posted: 9th Jul 2013 23:02
I just saw this. It's a bit late but I think it's a pretty big topic.

So there's this kid who plays League of Legends, and he got into an argument with some guy, who called him insane. The kid then replied (in code snippets because some people might find it inappropriate)


He has now been in jail for about 5-6 months and apparently is still awaiting trial.

Personally this infuriates me because while it was a "extreme" comment and because sarcasm might be hard to tell over the internet, they searched his house and all that and they didn't find any contraband and he has never done anything wrong so he is technically being locked up because "everyone is sure to commit a crime someday" which I think is pretty unfair, considering that he was not given a chance to say or do anything.

What do you guys think?

Links to read more:

http://kotaku.com/parents-of-jailed-league-of-legends-player-it-was-a-j-647190454

http://www.change.org/petitions/release-my-son-justin-carter-in-jail-for-a-facebook-comment

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Posted: 9th Jul 2013 23:05
I find this to be an absolutely unacceptable situation. We are losing our privacy, rights, and freedom. It really is sad.
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Posted: 9th Jul 2013 23:17 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 00:26
I think any reasonable person should be capable of determining that he was no genuine threat. No jail time deserved.
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Posted: 9th Jul 2013 23:23
Quote: "So there's this kid"


He's 19 - Not a kid, and he should know better. I think time served is probably sufficient for being an idiot though. The internet is public. It's not much different than walking into an airport and saying "I have a bomb..... just kidding!"

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Posted: 9th Jul 2013 23:24 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 00:00
Is this for real? I don't believe it.

[edit] Oh it happened in the land of the free, where everyone is spied on. Makes it more believable then. What happened to the constitution you guys used to have? (I don't mean that to be offensive, but what the hell? Some kid is being jailed for a comment that was clearly a joke?).

I'm going to band together a crack team of bronies and we're going to use super duper plasma cannons to blow a chunk out of the moon which will land on the pentagon. lol jk

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Posted: 9th Jul 2013 23:28
Perhaps it wasn't the smartest thing to do, but keeping someone locked up in jail for 6 monthis is a bit excessive for making a "joke" (even though a very bad and inapropriate one).

What im suprised by is that the police actually took the time to track down this person. And that someone reported it to them in the first place
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Posted: 9th Jul 2013 23:29 Edited at: 9th Jul 2013 23:30
The opening post is a different case to the one currently on the news.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2013 23:40
Quote: "The opening post is a different case to the one currently on the news."


I didn't get this from the news. I saw this on a youtube video and then on kotaku.

Quote: "I think time served is probably sufficient for being an idiot though."


Yes, but 6 months without a trial? That's just excessive. People say things like that on the internet all the time but they don't get arrested and searched do they? It's just really unfair.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2013 23:47
ugh, yeah well...
no, this is stupid.



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Posted: 9th Jul 2013 23:51
Quote: "People say things like that on the internet all the time but they don't get arrested and searched do they?"


They do and have quite rightly been prosecuted for such offensive behaviour in recent months. You can expect to see more as time goes on. Six months may be harsh in that particular case but some people need to realise that laws regarding offensive loutish behaviour, libel, slander, etc, apply as much to the internet as to anywhere else.
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Posted: 9th Jul 2013 23:52 Edited at: 9th Jul 2013 23:53
Quote: "He's 19 - Not a kid, and he should know better. I think time served is probably sufficient for being an idiot though. The internet is public. It's not much different than walking into an airport and saying "I have a bomb..... just kidding!""


Nope, nope nope nope, no, no no, totally no, no. You can say what you want. Anything you want, always. As soon as we stop that, we lose. Like, I don't like the joke, I think it's taking it a bit far... but he shouldn't be jailed for it, ever. No one should be jailed for speech, unless it's a direct threat to another human being, that they may unarguably be capable of acting on. No no no no no.

... Incidentally, this post reminded me to go look up league of legends. That was a cool game.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2013 23:58
Quote: "Nope, nope nope nope, no, no no, totally no, no. You can say what you want. Anything you want, always. As soon as we stop that, we lose. Like, I don't like the joke, I think it's taking it a bit far... but he shouldn't be jailed for it, ever. No one should be jailed for speech, unless it's a direct threat to another human being, that they may unarguably be capable of acting on. No no no no no."


well.. pretty much this is where i stand on this.



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Posted: 9th Jul 2013 23:59 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 00:00
Quote: "They do and have quite rightly been prosecuted for such offensive behaviour in recent months."


Quite rightly? Shouldn't a little common sense be used to assess whether the person may have in fact been joking, or was really planning a terror scheme? Surely it'd be better than wasting the taxpayers' dollars keeping an innocent person in prison for 6 months, while there are criminals roaming the streets.

Where does one draw the line here? Could the comment in my previous post result in me being jailed? Maybe they think I'm a delusional lunatic that really wants to destroy the pentagon, and thinks he can do so by blowing a chunk out of the moon. When I realise this scheme won't work I'll do it via a conventional method.*

* THAT'S A JOKE

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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 00:08 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 00:10
Why has the "lol jk" been added to what he said? In all the things I read on the case that wasn't quoted.

Make a joke about killing kids in a school not long after someone shot up a school and expect repercussions.

6 months is a long time, but I don't care. I guess I'm a 'freaking psychotic mess that desperately needs urgent mental care' because I don't see it as a problem.

A situation where the police truly can't win. Arrest the guy and get "freedom of speech...you're taking away my rights! Obama is bad" ... don't arrest the guy and then he shoots up a school "OMG the police were alerted to this and did nothing... Obama is bad"
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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 00:12
Quote: "unless it's a direct threat to another human being, that they may unarguably be capable of acting on"


LOL. Isn't that exactly what it was?

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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 00:15 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 00:16
Also I think people should look up 'freedom of speech', a comment such as this would not be covered by freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is not about being able to say whatever you want, whenever you want, however you want.
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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 00:19 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 00:24
Quote: "Why has the "lol jk" been added to what he said? In all the things I read on the case that wasn't quoted.
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Read the second link in my post.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 00:22 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 00:27
Quote: "I guess I'm a 'freaking psychotic mess that desperately needs urgent mental care' because I don't see it as a problem."
Lol crap, I didn't expect anyone who disagreed with me to read that. I don't mean to offend anyone by saying that, it's just my opinion.

I probably shouldn't post generalizations I come up with when I'm angry.

I reworded the post to less hostily demonstrate my opinion on the matter. Once again, I'm sorry if I offended you.
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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 00:24
Quote: "LOL. Isn't that exactly what it was?"


No, because it was sarcasm.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 00:25
But I think it's just all common sense. Yes, you shouldn't say you're gonna kill innocents, but take the factors into account: He's 19 years old, never had a criminal record, (presumably, but 95%) doesn't have a mental condition/no one in his family has ever committed a serious crime, do you really think he would have really done that? Yes it's possible because he can just wake up one day and kill someone, but you can't put someone in jail because "he would probably do it", that's just stupidly judgmental.

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Quote: "do you really think he would have really done that?"


Of course he would. All signs pointed to him being a would-be criminal capable of massacring dozens of innocent citizens. Best to put him behind bars before he does any real harm.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 00:31
Quote: "but you can't put someone in jail because "he would probably do it""


He wasn't put in jail because he would probably do it. He was put in jail because he said he would do it. I guess what some of you are saying is that his actual intent would have to be determined. Out of curiosity, how should that be accomplished? Public opinion maybe? How about a medical opinion? Or perhaps a judge? Who would make that determination and how?

As someone already mentioned, there have been cases where this has happened and the authorities were warned, but didn't take any action. How would you handle it?

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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 00:31 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 00:38
Quote: "You can say what you want. Anything you want, always"

No you can't, its simple as that.

At 19 he's old enough to know better.
Call it what you will, no one would be to know he didn't mean it, even if he didn't he's a tosser that should be locked up, he should have been tried and convicted before six months though.
You cant have it both ways where you call out authority for missing the signs when someone does go out and shoot up a school, then call them out for acting on it when someone is stupid enough to make sick jokes about it in the most public way possible.
This idiot got what he deserves.

Quote: "but take the factors into account: He's 19 years old, never had a criminal record, (presumably, but 95%) doesn't have a mental condition/no one in his family has ever committed a serious crime,"
I believe you will find this to be the case with most of these types who actually did such things.

Quote: "do you really think he would have really done that? Yes it's possible because he can just wake up one day and kill someone, but you can't put someone in jail because "he would probably do it", that's just stupidly judgmental."
Reminds me of the traffic accident spots where they wait till someone gets killed before doing anything about it.
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dear god - i should be thrown in jail for a lifetime, for all the things i've said in my skype convos.



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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 00:39 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 00:40
Dont confuse this, unless you have threatened to shoot up schools or bomb airports, in which case I agree
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Quote: "Dont confuse this, unless you have threatened to shoot up schools or bomb airports, in which case I agree"


Why make exceptions for specific acts?

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@xplosys

But he didn't do it and we know for a fact he woudn't have. There are absolutely zero signs proving he would do tjat. You can't take everyone on the Internet seriously, even if they threaten someone without knowing them. Even then they arrested him after doing investigations which is stupid.

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Quote: "Why make exceptions for specific acts?"
Your kidding...right?

Because it's entirely relevant, or do you disagree?
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mmye, my personal opinion is - tbh, that the whole punishment system is screwed up - murderes get a few years, rapists get more years - pirates get ridiculous punishments, and apparantly.. now threatening stuff is equally as bad as assaulting people.


This is just ridiculous.



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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 00:52
Quote: "Because it's entirely relevant, or do you disagree?"


What do you mean it's relevant? You mean it's fine to jail someone for jokingly making a comment about committing an act that's been committed recently, but not one that hasn't? So I could pretend I'm going to poison a water system somewhere and I won't get arrested since it hasn't happened recently?

I disagree.

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Quote: "So I could pretend I'm going to poison a water system somewhere"


uh oh, you're in trouble now son!



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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 00:53
Had a similar situation way back in my highschool years. A kid in my grade made a (joke) facebook post about bombing the school (I believe it was something to do with the school discussing bringing in metal detectors). Apparently a S.W.A.T team burst into his house and arrested him the same day.

I agree completely with what has happened; there should be no discrepancy between how the law treats people. If a Muslim were to be sitting in a coffee shop with a friend and simply say "bomb" while giggling, I'm sure a great majority of people would not find issue with throwing them in jail while an investigation took place.

Add to the fact the very large number of recent school shootings and child killings (take the kid that went into a movie theatre and killed a bunch of people several months back for example).

Whether you're 19 joking on an MMO or a 51 year old ex-con threatening a member of parliament, action must be taken to ensure there is no threat. Could you imagine, for example, if that kid that shot up the theatre had "jokingly" told people he was going to do it on WoW a week earlier? People would be in an uproar over the media complaining that action wasn't taken.

I'll agree 6 months seems a bit harsh, but nonetheless action must be taken in cases like this.
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There's no crime in the opening post with the lol j/k at the end of it. The kid shouldn't be in jail. The crime is the over-reaction to the post. the crime is to put the kid in jail. They should probably get a warning from the police, and that's where it should end.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 00:55 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 01:10
Slander & libel I understand, humour & sarcasm? I do not. For instance, Jeremy Clarkson got into trouble for saying he likes to run down foxes in his car, he also got into trouble for saying the people in the public sector who were on strike a lil while back should be lined up in front of their families and executed.

But it is his very dry and sometimes dark sense of humour. Yet he still got into trouble. My dad works in the public sector, instead of being offended he burst laughing. I am somebody who loves dark humour and often make dark jokes or am quite facetious about dark things. It worries me when I see comedians get into trouble for making a joke and it worries me more when somebody can make a joke in public and get into a lot of trouble. Yes, screaming "I've got a bomb" in an airport would no doubt cause a lot of panic and danger and even as a joke it would create a lot of problems. Where people have yelled, "fire" in a theatre, people have actually died.

But this wasn't yelling "bomb!" in an airport or "fire!" in a crowded building. It was joke taken out of context on a video game. Nobody actually got hurt and nobody was going to get hurt. If in these instances, the person yelling bomb or fire were to shout, "just kidding!" afterwards would likely prevent the panic, probably get a few people calling him names and security escorting them away, possible followed by a fine for causing a public disturbance. If panic erupts, the punishment would be more severe, based on the consequences of their actions.

Considering I've joked myself with lines like, "I'm now going to cut myself" or "I'm going to shoot myself" it hasn't flagged up warnings with anybody that I might be a suicide risk due to the context it was raised. Heck I joke all the time at work about killing customers, it's cathartic. Likewise for people who say they want to kill their boss (I actually like my boss, so I never do it).

The problem with these kind of situations it that people seem to base their judgment on, "well, what if he was serious?" "What if it was the real thing?" The issue is we can rarely predict the real thing, jokes people make day-to-day isn't going to be a bearing on whether or not you're going to catch somebody before it happens. Yes there is the possiblity somebody might say it for they do it, but then there are a lot of things that could have been done in the sequence of events leading up to the big kill. Without prior knowledge, you simply don't know.

But there's a lot of things people do that if put into a different context that would make them look suspicious. For instance, looking over your shoulder, scratching your head passing a school, you might even look a little nervous. Perhaps you're wearing an anorak too. This could be the sign of a killer, a drug dealer, a kidnapper or somebody who does unpleasant things to children. But the fact I've committed this suspicious act that might make an onlooker call the police on me, "I think that man could be a child killer, he's too suspicious", yet I could be completely innocent. But I'm not going to be charged for being a suspect of an uncommitted crime. We'd just walk away and find that it was a misunderstanding.

Thinking about it, it's highly unlikely somebody who's actually going to do it is going to joke about it. I would say severely bullied kids at school would make better suspects than a guy cracking a joke or making a sarcastic comment online, to me it's just a waste.

I think more effect (and emphasis) should not be put on catching who might sound like somebody who'd commit the crime, but to solving the very things that lead a person to commit it. It's not exactly random, there's numerous things that influence a person. As I've suggested, bullying is one (help fix that and you help with suicide rates too).

Once you start adding more and more "what ifs" you are restricting more and more what people can't say and can't do. Yes, there are certain amounts of restriction, for instance you're not going to hand a 5 year old a dirty heroin needle.

Frankly, I am big believer in the freedom of expression and I actually tend to rate freedom of expression based on how well society can take a joke. My view when it comes to jokes is "it's all okay or none of it is".

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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 00:56 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 01:05
Quote: "now threatening stuff is equally as bad as assaulting people"
As far as I know threatening people has always been an offense, it's not a recent one. The only thing I agree with you on is that punishment may be unbalanced, but only in the sense that it should be a lot more severe, I lost my bleeding heart many years ago.
Anyone who states they will shoot up a school should be held in custody till proven otherwise, not the other way around.

Quote: "Considering I've joked myself with lines like, "I'm now going to cut myself" or "I'm going to shoot myself" it hasn't flagged up warnings with anybody that I might be a suicide risk due to the context it was raised. Heck I joke all the time at work about killing customers, it's cathartic. Likewise for people who say they want to kill their boss (I actually like my boss, so I never do it). "
The people you joke with above know you...there's a difference. Also willing to bet you never said it in front of customers, proving you know when it's appropriate and that's the point here.
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Quote: "I agree completely with what has happened; there should be no discrepancy between how the law treats people. If a Muslim were to be sitting in a coffee shop with a friend and simply say "bomb" while giggling, I'm sure a great majority of people would not find issue with throwing them in jail while an investigation took place."


eugh...
ugh..
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Quote: "As far as I know threatening people has always been an offense, it's not a recent one. The only thing I agree with you on is that punishment may be unbalanced, but only in the sense that it should be a lot more severe, I lost my bleeding heart many years ago."


both yes and no on that one



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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 01:11
Quote: "As far as I know threatening people has always been an offense, it's not a recent one. "


Where did he threaten anyone? It should be clear to anyone that it wasn't a serious 'threat' aimed at anyone, given the context and the fact the he explicitly said he was joking.

In any case, he made a tasteless and immature joke. Is 6 months behind bars a fair punishment for not knowing what is appropriate and what isn't? I don't think so. A week would have easily been enough, but something tells me this is more about keeping citizens in line than preventing terror threats, and I don't buy into conspiracy theories.

If someone actually said that they were going to commit such an act seriously, and without any context to imply that it was a joke, I'd understand. Although still, not everyone realises that such joke is inappropriate, nor that it can be such a dangerous thing to say in this current society. Does ignorance deserve such a punishment?

I feel that people are so paranoid that they are willing to give up their freedoms now. At least, that's the impression I get when reading some of these replies.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 01:18 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 01:52
Quote: "Where did he threaten anyone? It should be clear to anyone that it wasn't a serious 'threat' aimed at anyone,"

Seriously?
Quote: "yeah, I'm real messed up in the head, I'm going to go shoot up a school full of kids and eat their still, beating hearts'"


Quote: " given the context and the fact the he explicitly said he was joking. "

Explicitly? You may be confusing facts with fiction.
His mother said:
"So he responded in a sarcastic tone by saying something along the lines of..." .....Not exactly quoting verbatim.


Quote: "I feel that people are so paranoid that they are willing to give up their freedoms now. At least, that's the impression I get when reading some of these replies."
Not at all.

It may surprise to hear that I agree he's been dealt too harshly but if it stops the idiots repeating it I am all for it.
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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 01:24 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 01:27
Quote: "The people you joke with above know you...there's a difference. Also willing to bet you never said it in front of customers, proving you know when it's appropriate and that's the point here. "


If I started getting cathartic on customers I wouldn't have a job for very long. It's not really that professional of me to complain about customers to customers. Yes, I understand if threats are made they are to be taken seriously. But I think there's a fine line between a threat and a joke or sarcasm.

For instance a customer I had a few weeks ago, he made threats to me, whilst I didn't exactly call the police on him, he also made threatening remarks about an engineer, so I had to cancel his engineer visit. These were threats, no jokes, nor was it sarcasm. Yes, he might have just been angry, but he was making threats.

I wonder, should said customer get 6 months in prison?

Usually I am tactful, yes, because I know people won't necessary like what I say and I generally try not to offend because it's not something I'd intentially do. Hence you see me hold back here too, I know it tends to be quite diverse. On another forum I visit I tend to be more liberal because I know that community tends to more liberal. But jokes with friends, coworkers and family can be overheard and misconstrued.

I still joke in public and my jokes might be told when in a crowded place, they might be directed at somebody who knows me well enough, but the moment I joke about my brother's friend being a terrorist could be over heard. Yes, most people would find it offensive and unfunny, just because he's Indian doesn't mean he's a terrorist, but for somebody to take that to mean, "he's actually a terrorist" then call the police just in case he actually was a terrorist would be ludicrous. The guy tends to encourage us, just as a guy at work encourages us to make fun of him for being ginger and I encourage jokes about various things about me.

In fact, somebody reading this message without knowing me might view me as a bigot because it sounds like I think Indian people look like terrorists, which is completely untrue. People who know me on the other hand would see that my humour is often a parody of bigotry because I view it as something utterly ridiculous and ridicule it in parody.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 01:30 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 01:43
Quote: "If I started getting cathartic on customers I wouldn't have a job for very long. It's not really that professional of me to complain about customers to customers.But I think there's a fine line between a threat and a joke or sarcasm. ."
Who decides it's a threat a joke or sarcasm...you or the customer? You forgot to mention you would most likely be arrested and face charges if you got all cathartic on customers...would you view this as unfair if you were only joking?.

Some of us may have a warped sense of humour but we also know when to keep it in check, if you don't then you may find yourself in trouble, the more public you are the more careful you need to be that you don't overstep the boundaries.

Quote: "I wonder, should said customer get 6 months in prison?"
Why not? People should never underestimate the effect this kind of thing has on some individuals and you ought to know what I am talking about here.
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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 01:40 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 01:41
Quote: "Explicitly?"


Yes:

Quote: "So he responded in a sarcastic tone by saying something along the lines of 'Oh yeah, I'm real messed up in the head, I'm going to go shoot up a school full of kids and eat their still, beating hearts' which was followed by saying JK (just kidding) and LOL (laughing out loud). - http://www.change.org/petitions/release-my-son-justin-carter-in-jail-for-a-facebook-comment"


He said "jk" and "lol" which usually indicates that someone is joking, ie. he wasn't threatening someone.

It's unfair that someone can be put in prison for 6 months when there's no evidence of any crime against them. If they really thought he was a terrorist they would have been doing their research immediately, you know, to protect the public from terror threats. After finding absolutely nothing on the first week and re-reading what was written it may become apparent that the kid was in fact joking.

I agree that a person shouldn't joke about this sort of thing, but not everyone realises how serious it is or that it can be misconstrued as a legitimate threat. I don't think a 6 month sentence is a fair punishment for such a person. Will it deter others from doing the same? I should sure hope so. But that doesn't make it right.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 01:46 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 01:47
Quote: "He said "jk" and "lol" which usually indicates that someone is joking, ie. he wasn't threatening someone."

Quote: "So he responded in a sarcastic tone by saying something along the lines of..."

Maybe I am just stupid, but why quote something said second hand...again?
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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 01:48
Quote: "Maybe I am just stupid, but why quote something said second hand...again?"


So you don't believe he said the "jk lol" part? In that case we can't really debate this together, since I'm assuming he did. And it'd make quite a difference to my view on it, although I'm still against such a punishment for ignorance.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 02:04
Quote: "It may surprise to hear that I agree he's been dealt too harshly but if it stops the idiots repeating it I am all for it."


soo.. you're one of those for punishing more than necessary (innocent people) as long as in the big picture, it helps?



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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 02:12 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 02:22
Quote: "soo.. you're one of those for punishing more than necessary (innocent people) as long as in the big picture, it helps?"

You seem convinced he's innocent...why? Because his parents say so?

You seem keen to pass judgement on me...soooo you have decided he's innocent and I am guilty as charged...even if your opinion on me is justified I am still entitled to mine and I go by facts. I dont see you producing any to prove your point.

Who decides whats appropriate punishment....you? If you want to lump me in with 'those' then your way off mark...I believe in punishment fitting the crime..which is why I said I think he may have been dealt with harshly, far as I know he's worse than portrayed since all I see is his parents defense and as we all know Dammer's mother said he was a 'nice boy' and his neighbours thought so too.
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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 02:20 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 02:22
Quote: "You seem convinced he's innocent...why? Because his parents say so?"


Not at all, let's say.. those less deserving of the punishment, instead of innocent then.


But that was not the point I was trying to make to be honest, I really might have come across a bit too offensive, or too harsh, I apologize if that was the case, The thing is though, that I am heavily of a believer that pushing all to one edge, just to make the general picture better, is absolutly dreadful - we have a lawsystem for a reason, and that reason is to AVOID these kinds of things, and to judge people for - and punish them for what they do. Not because something they jokingly say - that's, in my opinion, taking it way too far.


edit: I know that, if this were to happen to me, I would become quite darned depressed, I would miss my child to death, my child would probably have a hard time without me aswell, and all that - just for a simple - let's say it is, joke.

6 months in prison, away from family, friends - and other activities. I dunno, to me, that would be the most horrible thing to happen to me.



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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 02:30 Edited at: 10th Jul 2013 02:52
Quote: "Not because something they jokingly say - that's, in my opinion, taking it way too far."
Stop with the JK, LOL part, please...it's his parents talking....I might be wrong about this but to be honest it sounds like even they got this second hand, probably from him.
There may be much more to it than what we are getting. In my own opinion he didn't add that considering he was so pissed when posting his comments. If his parents cant get access to what was actually said then they may not have password (why not since he would have given it to them by now) or he may have deleted it (again...this doesn't mean it's actually removed from the server or someone copy/ pasted and sent it on to police). Whatever they don't seem to have it in writing and that alone makes me wonder.

Still the law should deal only in facts. We all know that restrictive paranoiac laws put in place in recent years are chipping away at freedom and open to abuse (holding without trial being the worst of it). We all have to be careful of what we say online but this kid said something too stupid for words and that's all I know.
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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 02:36
Just wow.

I saw a video of people marching through the streets chanting "UK Police burn in hell". Not a single one of them was arrested.

Complete and utter joke.


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Posted: 10th Jul 2013 02:53
Quote: "Still the law should deal only in facts."


atleast we can agree on that^^



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