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DrakeX
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" Has anyone noticed that Americans and British sound almost exactly the same when they are singing?"

i personally think it might have something to do with the british influence on rock and roll in the 60s. before then we had bands like the beach boys (RUN AWAY) that didn't sound a lot like british. it sounds almost like they tried as hard as possible to sound american. but after bands like the beatles.. you'll notice american singers no longer pronounce their Rs!

"DrakeX: I think he meant every-day conversational french, not poetic french."

well then


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Maybe we're singing in the same language?

Accent does tend to go out of the window when singing.

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true, look at ozzy


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@Zircher: Yeah I know! Same thing happens to me in the south! People think I have a British accent cuz I'm from Ohio too!

@Alienman: HongKong is very different from the rest of China! Becasue it was occupied by Britain for so long, most of them speak perfect English and listen to British and American music and play English games.

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Quote: "HongKong is very different from the rest of China! Becasue it was occupied by Britain for so long, most of them speak perfect English and listen to British and American music and play English games."


I don't know about the rest of you, but I have yet to meet *one* Chinese person from Hong Kong who speaks "perfect English" with no accent. I have many friends from Hong Kong and my fiance is from mainland China--- their "Engrish" sounds the same.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 04:21 Edited at: 28th Jul 2004 04:23
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Quote: "do the british listen to our music?"
Well yeah. Seeing as the US probably produces more english *language* songs than anyone else, it's pretty obvious we would listen to a good portion of it. That said, we totally kick your arse when it comes to real music (Ahem, I'll edit this to mean when music was great, like in the 60's and 70's) And when I mean we, I mean British. Obviously as a sub-division, bands like the Manic street preachers keep my welsh (sheep shagging) side from sinking like a Tom Jones shaped stone.

Heh, I watched a program yesterday about how popular the program "Keeping up appearances" is around the globe. Apparently most americans think your average british housewife sounds like the main bird in it. Arf! Then again, as far as we know you all have buck teeth, count your mother/ aunt/ sister as less than 3 people, and say yeeaaalll quite a lot.

And why do the english and americans sound the same singing? Because we invented english singing and you just went with it. Clues in the name *english* singing.

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By "perfect", I didn'y mean no accent, I meant they have good grammer, from what I have seen (which is quite a few). I was just saying it because Alieman said it was weird that people in HK listen to British and US music.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 04:45 Edited at: 28th Jul 2004 04:46
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Quote: "Apparently most americans think your average british housewife sounds like the main bird in it"


I have no idea what the hell that even means.

Quote: "Then again, as far as we know you all have buck teeth, count your mother/ aunt/ sister as less than 3 people, and say yeeaaalll quite a lot"


Are you implying that most Americans are rednecks? Talk about stereotypes...

Quote: "Because we invented english singing and you just went with it."


Heh, I love the way you say "we" as though you had a part in the "invention" of the English language. And we didn't "just go with it," the settlers of America came from England, thus, they spoke English. It's not like we could just say "Screw that, we're speaking French now!" In reality though, English evolved from German (obviously, a long time ago, heh).

Personally I'm not for the whole "war of the countries" thing. I don't like arrogant people, beit arrogant Americans or arrogant Brits. If you think you're better because you're from a different country than the next guy, you've got something else coming.


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What's up with this supiority thing? You were the one making the assumptions. I have never seen that show before and you act like it is every American's fault that it was made.

And "great" music is only your opinion. I don't want to make this a flame war, so, please, lighten up the mood a little bit.

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well the thing is... the american accents vary. the thing i like about the majority of american accents (take yyrds for example) is that it's really clear and easy to understand what they're saying, and when explaining something it actually makes em sound smart.

then you got the slack-jaws, ie cleatus. that accents comical but i'd hate to get in a conversation with one.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 07:27 Edited at: 28th Jul 2004 07:27
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Jesus Christ. Do you people even look at Emoties? If I actually was having a go, and not just a bit of a laugh, then I would mention how a lot of Americans *always* go on the offensive as soon as they see something they think is a real dig. Grief.

If I was like that then I would have had a go at the sheep shagger welsh thing.

You lighten up. I was extremely lightened up *before* thanks very much.

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Sorry, but it really didn't sound like a joke.

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Did the Tom Jones dig not give any clues? Main problem is harder to judge emotions with just text.

Still the smilie should have helped. ie. I am only joking (wink wink). A small example would be (remember I'm welsh) to say that I love the english See. Wink wink. Take the fact that the way I'm writing this to mean I'm having a bit of a laugh.

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Ok sorry. In the future, be careful being sarcastic on forums. No one on here really knows you, and it is hard to tell sarcasm from being serious. Not coming down on you, just letting you know.

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Quote: "Then again, as far as we know you all have buck teeth, count your mother/ aunt/ sister as less than 3 people, and say yeeaaalll quite a lot"

Are you implying that most Americans are rednecks? Talk about stereotypes..."


Are *YOU* implying that most rednecks have buck teeth, count their mother/aunt/sister as less than 3 people, and say yeeaall quite a lot? You're one to talk about stereotypes...

I'm a redneck and proud of it. And no I don't say yeeall or have buck teeth. And yes, my mother, sister, and aunts are many different people. Do I have to school you about the real definition of redneck :-P

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Quote: "Are *YOU* implying that most rednecks have buck teeth, count their mother/aunt/sister as less than 3 people, and say yeeaall quite a lot?"


Err, yeah. That's what a redneck is. Lol. If you can't say any of those things, you're not a redneck, you're probably just from the country. Don't be so defensive


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I'm with HZ, Jeku. I might not know you, but if you can program,live in Canada, and even get online, I don't think you are the kind of redneck we are talking about, regardless of the definition. Believe me, if you came down into the deep southeast of the US, you would not self-apply that title lol

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Quote: "Don't be so defensive"


Dammit I forgot to put a smilie in there. I did the tongue sticking out one, but really, I know that I'm not a stereotypical redneck. Really, I wasn't offended, just jokin' around

P.S. - I'm still a redneck though hehehe...

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I don't think a redneck exists that can program lol. They just look at the screen and say "How do ya' think they do that?"

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No way, dude, I'm a redneck The term redneck came from hard working farmers who get burnt necks from the sun, working all day. They also hold traditional values about family and life. They are NOT bigots, or racist. They are NOT sexist. In fact they think men and women are equal-- just different.

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Wow. That is a million miles away from what a redneck is in the southeast US. They are rascists, bigots, and sexist here (mostly). If you fall into the catagory of the original, that is cool, but that is not the definition down here.

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Quote: "Then again, as far as we know you all have buck teeth, count your mother/ aunt/ sister as less than 3 people, and say yeeaaalll quite a lot"


You know that is weird because here, we think the all you english people have crooked teeth, crazy world.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 17:19 Edited at: 28th Jul 2004 17:19
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Quote: "You know that is weird because here, we think the all you english people have crooked teeth, crazy world"
Haven't noticed. Being welsh though, my teeth are like pearls from heaven. Sort of. It's all that animal husbandry; gives you plenty of time to clean your teeth. Hmmm... that made little or no sense...

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Seriously, in alot of movies that have to do with england. There is always one time they pull the english, bad teeth joke, its a cheap joke but it always works.

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Yeah, but then most of the older british comedy legends (think Monty Python for example) tended to be stuck up rich boys. Mainly because everyone else had to work for a living. And everyone knows the real upperclass (not the same as rich here - for example the upperclass look down on the royal family) are crap at looking after their teeth. Plus we kick them in if they come round our schools Tossers....

Hmmm. That looked mildly angry. Nope, just welsh. Plus I've had tonnes of hassles with me computers lately. But now my main computer is working again (2 x 10K RPM Raptor drives in a superfast RAID 0 array - yay!), and I get my new laptop tomorrow (1920x1200 resolution!!!). So I'm happy again. I'll even be nice to english people

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Quote: "Nope, just welsh."

So, do you speak Welsh?
Bore da. Empty ydw i.

Hmm not alot I remember but still.

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Quote: "So, do you speak Welsh?"
Dwy'n sared dypin bach. Chi'n dim mochgyn seasneg? Efo ty seasneg dwi'n eisio mynd efo tan. Heheheheh... or something like that...

No, not really. All my family are south walien (apart from my sister), but my parents left wales when they were like 20. I was actually born in cambridge and lived abroad for a few years. Didn't go back to north wales to live till I was 9, so I don't sound like a north walien hillbilly (hic hic), or the nice south walien sound (like my faaaamillllyyy). After living in england for a decade I still have some of the habits of speaking, like ( ).

Used to speak welsh quite well to the age of about 14, but they are such a**eholes about speaking the language (ie. they take the piss) in north wales that I didn't bother after that.

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Quote: "Bore da. Empty ydw i."
Oh, and wrong time of the day mate. Nos da if I remember rightly (good night), or prnawn (yesi grist, I can't spell) da if in the afternoon.

Ah, and Dazzag ydw i. Although if I again remember rightly that should be slightly different in north walean. Can't remember how though. Basically north and south spell slightly differently and even have different words. Annoying. Esp when literature is with a southern teacher, and language is with a northern..... grrr....

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I see.
When I was in Wales (southern Wales but countryside) I found Cymraeg very fascinating. So I tried to learn it and after a couple of months I was able to use and understand the more common phrases at least.
But that was about ten years ago and I've forgotten most of it.

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Quote: " Oh, and wrong time of the day mate."

depends on the time zone... erm ok you win

Quote: " Basically north and south spell slightly differently and even have different words."

Yeah the book I got mentioned that too, but was written by southern guy.

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Yep, tis all a distant memory to me. Was most interesting at the time though.

Oh, and I don't really set fire to english people's houses BTW. At least that was what I was trying to say

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Quote: "Was most interesting at the time though."

Indeed.
I've always been interested in European minority languages. I was surprised how different all the Gaelic languages are (from each other) though.

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Quote: "I've always been interested in European minority languages. I was surprised how different all the Gaelic languages are (from each other) though."
Fair enough, although for me it was forced, as it was a very welsh school I went to. Think it was because my parent's don't speak welsh either (for various reasons) and felt a bit guilty. Even so, with the negative upbringing from the locals, it has put me off languages quite a bit.

Heh, and you really have to suspect a language that has more ways of saying no to yes (23 to 21, or something like that).

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Quote: "Heh, and you really have to suspect a language that has more ways of saying no to yes (23 to 21, or something like that)."

LOL. I guess that makes it quite unique.
Languages provide an insight into the lives of people. For example the many different words for "snow" the Inuits have. I'm not sure what that means for Welsh people, though.

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Biggest problem with welsh is the number of words. It's like tiny compared to english. So you end up sounding like a caveman. ie. rubbish for decent conversations.

Also they insist on taking an english word and changing it slightly to be "Welsh". Grief. So bus is bws (with one of those ty bach's ^ over the w if I remember rightly) for example. One of the biggest surprises was that computer was completely and utterly different. Something like curriddiadi or somesuch. Weird for a newish word. And you had to love that welsh computer language and office tools on the BBC micros years ago. Think it was actually basic, but in welsh.... hmmm... c'mon DarkBasic, come up with DaiBasic! Esp with that school link you have...

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Arf.

Did you know that [href]www.Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.com[/href] is the longest non-hyphenated domain in the world?

Oh. And the Russian rock band Llanfair P.G. seem to have gone missing... damn... was wondering if they had changed their web comments. Basically the singer spent a year or so travelling through wales, and even learnt a bit of welsh. I emailed them to correct them on some welsh bits, plus they got the geography wrong. If I remember rightly they thought Anglesey was a small town in south wales or somesuch. Arf.

Ah, good old welsh stuff. As long as no one mentions Tom Jones we are ok.

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I have no idea what you guys are talking about, I only know like 3 words in spanish, and I know no mas.

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Yeah listen to "Pour Ton Sourire" that is a smooth song, everything blends together it so smooth.

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I'm from the south east

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I'm from Arizona. I live in a part of town that isn't really infested with rednecks, mostly people who moved in from other parts of the country. I was approving my Eagle scout project with some high district level guy though, and man did he have an accent. He said, "yep, sounds like you got a good project there I got no problem signin it off", except with different phrasing and the obvious redneck inflection. Then he talked for an hour about how I could make it, all the different cuts and lumber selection, then we went outside and he showed us his truck.

Very nice guy, just a vivid culture I'm not used too

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@Dazzag I have no idea even how to begin pronouncing that Welsh lol

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Something like this...


wyxllllwywdsthyayayagglyswth

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@Dazzag: You think the number of words in Welsh is tiny? I was doing a little(and I stress "little") study of Tagalog, and they only have about 750-800 words! That is crazy compared to most langiages! It has the smallest dialog of any widely spoken language!

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Quote: "We don't even speak English here, we just 'grunt' our words"


And when we don't grunt we shorten the words to these tiny little things that can't even be classified as sylables, hence why they seem to be grunts.

Also, us aussies seem to say the word "mate" an awful lot. Probably cos we're such a scruffy bunch, particuarly over here in Western Australian


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Reminds me of finding nemo.

The seagulls just said "mate mate mate mate" all day long.

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You know what American's say a lot? Movies.


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Canadians say "eh" (while misprononcing french)

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Quote: "Although the Americans have a variety, it is all very much the same basic accent"


Not even close, but that may be because I'm from america and can hear a larger difference. But the South sound quite differently than other areas. I'm from Ohio, which I've read somewhere that that area has the least accent sort of. I guess you could expect to hear a lot of monotone ppl from this area, but it seems to be mixed a lot with us robot sounding ppl and hillbillies.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2004 10:24
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Quote: "Not even close, but that may be because I'm from america"
Dunno. I would say the original quote was made from someone who never watches TV. From a simple selection of american programs during a single evening you can get loads of diverse accents. Although a lot of the time it seems to be the same as this country. ie. apart from yocal channels/ programs you get less of the more broad and hard to understand accents. Apart from hard hitting crime dramas or sketch shows of course.

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