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Lzdude69
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If you notice, on tv shows (like CSI, and law and order, and about every other show) they speak with a med western accent, thats because at acting school they teach them our accent. I'm from indiana, and just about every show I watch, they sound just like me.

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Posted: 31st Jul 2004 13:38
Quote: "speak with a med western accent, thats because at acting school they teach them our accent."





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They don't really "Teach" them the mid-western accent. It's that acting make you very mind-ful of how you are speaking

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Posted: 2nd Aug 2004 13:20
And, you must remember that many of the TV shows are actually produced here in Vancouver, so if anything they speak with Canadian accents. Something to think about...

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Posted: 2nd Aug 2004 14:38
Same here in Winnipeg, they use us for a fake chicago. While ago we had JLO here.

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Posted: 2nd Aug 2004 22:38 Edited at: 2nd Aug 2004 22:41
No ones mentioned the best accent in the English speaking world IMHO (I'm not biased or anything, since I come from this place ). I'll give you a few clues first.

"Y aye man", "Hawaaaay man lads", "TOON ARMY! TOON ARMY!"

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Its one of the fastest speaking English accents, and also its not just an accent its kind of a way life. What part of the UK are we from?

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Who are we?

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We have the best football team (soccer team for y'all Americans jk ) ; NUFC- Toon Army, if you hadn't guessed we're all football fanatics. Our rivals (enemys) are the machams (people from Sunderland who support Sunderland Football Club), but really its just for a bit of a laugh.
Also why is (American) football just called football when they run with the ball in their arms????

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Posted: 2nd Aug 2004 22:54
I think it's beacause the ball's a foot long.

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ah I see , never really thought about that, thanks for the info
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Yeah, it's pretty odd. If I were to name football, I'd call it "Beat-the-living sh!t-out-of-people-ball"

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Hi there.
Have been reading this with great interest.
As some of you might know (As i mention it whenever possible) i am from Northern Ireland and am insanely proud of it. I think its something like a National version of wee man syndrome.

Anyway here is a link to a sound sample of our accent which may come as quite a surprise to many of you Americans if your films are anything to go by.

http://classweb.gmu.edu/accent/english14.html

This is how i speak as i was born and grew up in Belfast but there are many variations throughout the country, none of which even vaguely resemble the Southern Irish accent. Get it? North - South two separate and very different places.

I also speak a bit of Japanese. With a Japanese accent.

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2004 02:12
Quote: "Yeah, it's pretty odd. If I were to name football, I'd call it "Beat-the-living sh!t-out-of-people-ball""
...whilst wearing Kevlar body armour obviously.... Tis like rugby, but with It's a knockout type gear on. Now as long as Wales can play a bit of rugby again, I may lean more towards it rather than the beautiful game (the *real* football).

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Quote: "I think it's beacause the ball's a foot long"


That is a good point, It could be because of punts, and field goals. Im not sure, but dont canadians call "American Football", "Gridiron Football"?

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2004 04:03 Edited at: 3rd Aug 2004 04:04
@Nemo: It says that you also speak french, I'd like to know(because so do I) is if you speak with an english accent. Je vais peut-etre poster un WAV de mon anlais et francais, et du francais avec une accent anglais.

Quote: "call "American Football", "Gridiron Football"?"

No, we call it football.

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2004 04:17
I heard that from somewhere, but I know canadians call their football, "Football". I coulda swore you called our Football, GridIron Football though. I think the difference in downs and stuff are like this. In the NFL a rush of 3 yards will just about get you to the first down in 3 plays, then you have the 4th down to either punt or run the ball if your team is just short of the first down. Some teams play the game on the ground, grinding out 3-4 yard advances. In the CFL - there are 2 downs to get 10 yards and then punt or play on the third.

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@AlienMan: I don't have a clue what you just said.

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2004 05:40
Well...do you speak eng-lish?

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I have no idea what you said too, and I'm quite proud of my astute grasp of English

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2004 06:17
I skipped the 2nd page btw.

I met this kid a few years ago, about 10 years old, he was from around Yorkshire and had a VERY strong accent, I couldn't understand what the hell he was saying, all his words just slurred into each other*.

Some Californians have very strong accents in my opinion, my friend's mum for one has. I think that my accent is pretty neutral (East Anglia), it is to me, but not to other people from other places.

I think French is a much nicer language than English, even though I don't speak French that well, it just flows much more smoothly. Now that I've finished secondary school and I'm never going to learn French ever again, I often find myself randomly replying to people and talking to myself in French. It's quite un-nerving that I can speak French sometimes without thinking .

*(Maybe it also had something to do with the fact that he'd recently fallen off his BMX trying to do a backflip and smashed all his teeth in, i dunno )

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2004 06:40
Too be honest I think, english is one of the hardest languages too learn. Look at spanish every word is simple, unlike english, which some words have silent letters, like "what,where,phil" just about every word

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2004 07:01
English would be easy to learn, but the damn thing keeps getting new words and changing around.

Quote: "which some words have silent letters, like "what,where,phil" just about every word"


So does french take "trop", it's pronounced "tro".

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2004 08:05
I nont know french, but is practically every word in the french language like that?

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2004 11:00
About the same as ours.

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2004 11:58
Quote: " Too be honest I think, english is one of the hardest languages too learn"


English is the hardest language because it is so inconsistent.
For Example pronounce these words (or have a talking dictionary tell you the correct way of saying the words.)

rough
pronounced "ruff"
bough
pronounced "bow"
thorough
pronounced therrow"
dough
pronounced "doe"

and then words that have been used for ages like 'the' have been pronounced in many ways ever since shakespeare. But I don't know about you, but I think the 20th century version of the words are good enough for me. And if you think we have a long vocabulary in the english language, the Oxford English Dictionary has the complete language (and is growing) is about 20 volumes of books and the books have extremely small text and are about the size of an average dictionary.

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Hi there.
@Manticore Night: Sorry mate my other language is Japanese. I do speak a very small amount of French but not really even enough to get by on. I do try and give it the right accent no matter what language i am trying to speak in. I kind of think its rude not to try.

I do like the French a great deal as a nation though, as who they are is defined by a long standing sense of national identity rather than pop culture like Britain and America. I have a few French friends who live near me but luckily they all speak very good English, even with all those onions round their necks.

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2004 18:10
Quote: "I nont know french, but is practically every word in the french language like that? "


:o It's compulsory to be taught it here!

There's gros [gro]
intelligent [ntelligent]
apppellent [appell]

and countless others that miss bits of words off.

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2004 20:24 Edited at: 3rd Aug 2004 20:25
Quote: "English is the hardest language because it is so inconsistent."

Nearly all natural languages are inconsistent.
If you're looking for consistency try Esperanto.

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2004 20:57 Edited at: 3rd Aug 2004 20:57
English have 7 pronounciations for the set of letters -ough:

Through (oo)
Though (o)
Thought (aw)
Cough (off)
Plough (ow)
Borough (a)
Rough (uf)

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I was just giving a few examples of that type of word (so I would not bore the crap out of everyone).

Quote: "Nearly all natural languages are inconsistent. "

Many languages are inconsistent but english is derived from so many languages that it is the most inconsistent.

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And quote the title of the forum
Quote: "American Accent..."


Which accent are you talking about, their are many american accents. To name a few.

Cajun Country Accent
Western Accent
Eastern Accent

Their are even more than that, basically every state has their own accent whether they think so or not.

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I have just taken french GCSE man I sucked sooo bad I'll be lucky to get a D grade!

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Posted: 4th Aug 2004 00:31
1tg46 - I didn't see your above post :S. I just thought of the ough example too.

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Quote: "intelligent [ntelligent]"
Acctually it's prononced [intelligent].

But really if most languages have all the things english has, the only difference is that all the french new words(at least québecois) come from english. But english has new words from:
Hindu ,French, Chinise, Japonise, Spanish...

That's why english is hard to learn, it's like learning little peices of every language on earth(except maybe darkbasic).

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Posted: 4th Aug 2004 01:09
French don't have all new words from English, ordinateur for one, that's fairly new. I thought "intelligent" was pronounced with more of an "an" sound instead of an "in" sound.

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English may be the hardest language to learn to speak, but Chinese is DEFINITELY the hardest to learn to write. Case closed.

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Posted: 4th Aug 2004 02:26
Quote: "with more of an "an" sound instead of an "in" sound"
More of a "ain" type sound a little like ain't

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Posted: 4th Aug 2004 03:53
Quote: "Quote: "intelligent [ntelligent]"
Acctually it's prononced [intelligent]."


Quote: "I thought "intelligent" was pronounced with more of an "an" sound instead of an "in" sound."


That was my point

Quote: "More of a "ain" type sound a little like ain't"


Is that canadian french or french french?

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You think these words are bad try pronouncing this word:

Antidisestablishmentarianism

(it is spelled correctly, and I just happend to have memorized the spelling)









If you haven't figured how its pronounced it is pronounced like

anti-dis-establish-men-tar(e)-(ee)i-a-nism

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Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis!

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also spelled "PNEUMONO­ULTRA­MICRO­SCOPIC­SILICO­VOLCANO­KONIOSIS"

longest word of only vowels
Euouae

Longest Monosyllabic English Words
"Scraunched"

Longest Palindrome in the english language( a word that reads the same backwards or forwards)
"tattarrattat"

Longest Word In English With Each Letter Twice
"Unprosperousness"

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Try saying all these words 10x fast

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Quote: "Longest Word In English With Each Letter Twice
"Unprosperousness""


Isn't s used four times there?

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Quote: "Is that canadian french or french french?"
I think everyone says it like that. The reason I said it's "intelligent" is beacause if the accents right "in" sounds like "ain".

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Quote: "Antidisestablishmentarianism"


Easy to pronounce! :p

I think everyone says it like that. The reason I said it's "intelligent" is beacause if the accents right "in" sounds like "ain".

I'm pretty sure I've been taught, and heard, people saying "antelligent".

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Well are you fluent. Beacuase I've never heard someone say "antelligent". I just looked at your location, I bet you speak french in an english accent, that would expalin it.

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Quote: "Quote: "Longest Word In English With Each Letter Twice
"Unprosperousness""

Isn't s used four times there?"


Yes it is but 4 divided by 2 equals 2 letters that have been duplicated , because if their would be only 3 "s" then their would be 1 letter that would not be duplicated.

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Quote: "Well are you fluent. Beacuase I've never heard someone say "antelligent". I just looked at your location, I bet you speak french in an english accent, that would expalin it."


My mother is fluent. She says "an".

My teacher is also fluent, says "an".

Most of the french people on the listening tapes are French and also hopefully fluent. They say "an".

I've just looked at your location, the only explanation I have is that it is the canadian french accent.

From this site:
http://www.jump-gate.com/languages/french/french1.html

http://www.jump-gate.com/languages/french/sound/in.wav That is apparently somebody pronouncing the "in" from words like matin and pain. It sound here to me like "an".

[edit] I'm bored, here's another:

Quote: "in: Like the "a" in "ban", but blown half through the nose. Also used for "ain", "aim" and "ein"."


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It might be the location but I couldn't really see someone saying "antelligent". But to each his own.

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Well people are adapting to languages and putting in their own uniqueness in their pronouncation. For example, the word probably I have heard pronounced correctly before but I have heard pronounced "Prawly". This pronouncation I have heard in Cajun Country Louisiana and even my own brother(even though he is my brother I don't say the word the wrong way).

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Sorry Manticore, but I think you're incorrect.

C'est matin la.

The matin is pronounced matan.

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