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NathanF
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This whole thing is really creepy, they're going to inplant microchips into people as a way to use money and keep track of everyone from some supercomputer in Belgium. A chip in either the forehead or right hand. The thing is, this is covered to some extent in the bible, revelations section. Are we approaching the end of the world??? Sephiroth is freaked out!

Check it out and you'll see what I mean:
http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/world/mark.htm

another link about the barcode thingy:
http://www.rense.com/general20/666.htm

and to top that off, they're already advertising it:
http://www.adsx.com/prodservpart/verichippreregistration.html
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Jeku
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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 04:01
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I'm not looking forward to this at all. The fact that this was predicted in Revelations disturbs me:

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=REV+13&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on

Verse 17 is particularly interesting...

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The Lynx
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Not a good time for us athiests. Isn't this breaking some humanoid right we have?

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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 04:33
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Freaky, but not quite convincing. I'll believe it when it happens.


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The Lynx
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Let's go to the friggen moon. I'd like to see some beast get us there

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are you sure that transcription of the bible is correct? because i have a copy of the NIV bible and i've read the book of revelations and i remember the hand and forehead thing, but i remember it saying that only the followers of the beast of the earth would get the mark, and i don't remember anything about buying and selling. unfortunately i cannot check it right now as my copy is in a moving van on its way to NY

oh, wow. insignificantpunks.cjb.net.
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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 06:12
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Yeah that's a correct translation. On that link you should be able to switch to any of about 10-15 translations (King James, NIV, etc.)...

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BIG BROTHER!!!!

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Let's see.. one world government.. controlling and keeping track of everyone via implants and DNA records... evolving out of the UN and socialism..

Yup. I can see it.
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Sir Spaghetti Code
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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 12:04 Edited at: 28th Jul 2004 09:46
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I do not believe that America would ever do that. Maybe implanting them into babaies, but not forcing everyone in America to get it done. There is simply not enough money for one thing. And forcig everyone in America to have a painful operation on their hand, which will put them out of work for about a month at least? No. Not gona happen in my lifetime.


And anyway, that is complete Bulls**t. That is a crackhead company trying to jump on maybe one of the most retarded ideas of the decade. I mean "VERICHIP CORPORATION IS NOT OBLIGATED TO HAVE, OR PLACE, AN AUTHORIZED VERICHIP CENTER IN THE PROXIMITY OF THE REGISTRANT'S ADDRESS. CURRENTLY, THE COMPANY IS ESTABLISHING NEW CENTERS IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY " WTF?!?

This is a crock, and I highly doubt any civilized government will ever use it. i mean, like I said before, it would put everyone who got the surgery out of work for at least a month, so you would have to reemburse lost wages as well as the cost od the surgery. And with what money? If people don't work, then they don't pay taxes, and they don't buy anything. Ain't gonna happen!

CURRENT EDIT: PLEASE SKIP PAST ALL THIS STUPID KID'S CRAP AND GO TO PAGE 5! THE THREAD PICKS BACK UP THERE! SOMEONE PLEASE BAN GAMESPRO UNIVERSAL!!!!!!!

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I like to think of myself as a man of logic, and Sir Spaghetti Code, that is logic for you. Thanks for that.


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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 12:22 Edited at: 27th Jul 2004 12:36
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It wont be painful operation, I read on one of the links(forgot which one) that it would be put in ur forehead/hand through a injection(shot). And the government doesn't have to be the one to provide these chips. It might be private companies like credit cards. Credit cards aren't paid to be made and distributed by the government.

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Hehe..Thank you, HZence! I try where I can...

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Damn it, I dont care if it is painful, noone is sticking a needle in my hand they can kiss my hairy, american, free, not getting a damn chip in my forehead, or hand ass. This is completely stupid. For one, no body in the states, (well unless you have no sense, at all) would do this any way.

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Alienman, it's my belief that half the people in the states are stupid. They'll get some MAJOR benefit and bow down to any procedure offered, especially if there are little to no health risks and a lot of benefits (ie, they say that if everyone does this, then no one will want to steal/hurt you because you have nothing to take, complete gimmick) it's a matter of manipulation. I believe that in a generation or two problems like this will arise, and I hope my children's children will have the foresight to realize that this is wrong.

I'm not a religous person, but when a prophecy in the bible comes true, I sure as hell will be scared. I believe the bible was created to try to help people from being fooled and to try to teach people to live by some sort of standard. I know I will be teaching my son common sense when it comes to advertising ploys and gimmicks and people out to make a dollar. Not everyone is intelligent or caring enough to realize it.

If I were ever forced to be injected, I would cut my hand or open up my forehead before I ever give in to such stupidity. Not many people may be willing to do that, either.

At any rate.. I'm sure that passage was created to prevent scams like this. (tho i'm sure they never thought it would be quite as advanced) And whoever wrote it did a bangup job. Look at these websites, the author did what he set out to do. It's probably going to keep the majority of christian followers and people like me from falling for such a shady tactics just because it's explained in such a horrid way as to point out it's evilness.


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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 15:42
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I really take no mind in what the Bible has to say about this, but, even if Americans are stupid, everyone has boundries. I feel that this is crossing a boundry that most people will keep well guarded. Would someone want a credit card that they can't get rid of? What if they rip you off? I work in customer service, and although I weep tears of pain in how stupid most of the general population is, they still try to protect themselves.

Sorry if I did read the whole website, but I realized about halfway into it that it is a retarded scam. It reminds me of those commercials on US television (and maybe all over the world) that show the man on his yacht, with his ten women drinking martinis, saying "I made a minimum investment and now I am rich. And it was SOO EASY!". Ya'know the ones that say "The best territories are going fast! Call within the next ten minutes for a FREE information packet!". Or an envelope-stuffing "deal".

It is just a quick way of relieving people of their money. I mean come on, it is giving deals for shareholders right on the front page!

@Jericho: Don't worry about your children's children, this is not even going to be offered in ten years! lol

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Some of you are reactionary and a little bit pathetic.

Do your homework. Read up on AVID, RFID, and the history of social security numbers. This technology will sneak up on you: protecting babies from theft, identifying sex offenders and felons on parole, protection from identity theft, security access to sensitive locations, military identification of remains, cross-referencing emergency medical records, homeland security, etc. The goverment will not have to line you up against the wall and give you an injection. Within a generation or two, it will be as natural as childhood vaccinations to get chipped.
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Ok, like half of the people on this forum are from the states, and every single on of them agree that this is bs. I am not a religous either, but if most americans are like me, they will tell the people from the government to go %uck themselves. I mean, any idiot could write the bible, (no offense) but this is'nt even the same thing, a mark on my hand, no way, a freakin chip in my hand. Ok, maybe the forehead thing, is closer, but even if the bible is true, what the hell is the beast, a virus, a freakin alien, anyway I dont believe the crap, and dude who said the americans are stupid, you must give in to this, so you are screwed, let the damn beast get you.

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Man you are even from the state, dude

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Quote: "noone is sticking a needle in my hand they can kiss my hairy, american, free, not getting a damn chip in my forehead, or hand ass."


You think Americans are free? Hahahaha... *wipes tear*

Quote: "I mean, any idiot could write the bible, (no offense)"


That's exactly what a stupid American would say.

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Quote: "Read up on AVID, RFID, and the history of social security numbers. This technology will sneak up on you: protecting babies from theft, identifying sex offenders and felons on parole, protection from identity theft, security access to sensitive locations, military identification of remains, cross-referencing emergency medical records, homeland security, etc. The goverment will not have to line you up against the wall and give you an injection. Within a generation or two, it will be as natural as childhood vaccinations to get chipped."


Read up on the constitution and any of its ammendments. This technology will more likely than not invade our privacy, and be misused by power-hungry politicians. Call it paranoia if you'd like. I call it logic. The only way it'll be common within the following two generations is if everyone thinks like you. No offense meant

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I will if you will!


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Man you guys are paranoid, The Book of Revaltions was written by St. James (I think, well whoever it was they're name began with a J) while stranded alone on an island while possibly under the influence of some fancy looking mushrooms. The whole thing is about the roman emporer Nero (whos full name when the letters are changed into the equivliant numbers i.e a=1 in either latin or hebrew) adds up to 666 who was persecuting christians almost to extinction at the time the whole thing is meant to give the human race hope!

~It's a common mistake to make, the rules of the English langauge do not apply to insanity~
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Quote: "Man you guys are paranoid, The Book of Revaltions was written by St. James (I think, well whoever it was they're name began with a J) while stranded alone on an island while possibly under the influence of some fancy looking mushrooms. The whole thing is about the roman emporer Nero (whos full name when the letters are changed into the equivliant numbers i.e a=1 in either latin or hebrew) adds up to 666 who was persecuting christians almost to extinction at the time the whole thing is meant to give the human race hope!"


Where did you learn that?


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Quote: "well whoever it was they're name began with a J"

It was John. And tell me, what kind of hope do you have when you read a book (or a letter in that time) that tells you that everything is going to get worse?

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ITS THE END OF THE WORLD! so im going to move to mars

anyway, i'd never let them put one of those chips in me.

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Quote: "And tell me, what kind of hope do you have when you read a book (or a letter in that time) that tells you that everything is going to get worse?"


Well, from a Christian standpoint, things are only worse for those who aren't believers. (Biblical Propaganda, IMHO.) True believers are "evacuated" in what's called the rapture. Every Son of God is taken off the earth (without dying, or being killed) into heaven, where they wait. The atheists/buddhists/muslims/everyone else, however, is left down here for seven years of torture, yadda yadda. The Anti-Christ takes the thrown, it's all pure chaos. After seven years, Jesus returns to overthrow the Anti-Christ and there's that huge war of - Armageddon, I guess. Sinners are thrown into hell, the world is cleansed, and the result is heaven on Earth.

I guess that's what he means by "hope."


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First off I would not let them put a chip inside me for 1 very important reason .... If you get robbed now you loose your wallet. Big deal. If you have a chip inside you and you get robbed you either loose your head or your hand. I choose my wallet.

And secondly I don't appreciate being called stupid. You really should not judge people just from where they live. Thats what you get for trying to help people I guess.

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OK, first, if this gets anything close to actually happening all the civil rights groups will get up in arms and get it knocked down, second, regardless of my religion if I see any signs of ANY apocalypse happening I think I'll take some precautions, and third, Jeku what the Hell is "You think Americans are free? Hahahaha... *wipes tear*" supposed to mean?
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In RE, if you don't belive me about the hope aspect read the forward to the book.

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I think a had a dream about the(chistian) end of the world.
I didn't see god(and didn't know what the rest of the people look like).

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@Zircher: I'm sorry, but this will not happen, at least within the next hundred or two hundred years. If you need the reasons, look above in the posts form HZ and others. At least not in America, due to invasion on privacy, just as someone else said.

If more companies like the one linked start popping up, it will give this technology before it starts.

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hmmm...actually, 666 comes from a few things imho. Just things I've pieced together myself.

A) A false trinity. Father, son, and the holy ghost.

B) 6 means man. 7 means divine. Satan is a representation of man. And, so, they chose the number.

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It's just a unique ID number, same thing as a credit card. The chip does not contain any data itself. It is used to access databases that already contain data on you. The difference is that you can tie that ID to a photo, voiceprint, or finger print to prove who you are. Perhaps a casual scan to log in to a public terminal or open the door to your apartment complex. Do you love your cat or dog? Do you love your children? How far would you go to protect them if they are lost or stolen?

I don't know what silliness you all are subscribing to, but it is not the end of the world. (Unless you think SSNs, Credit Cards, office badges, or ATM PINs are signs of the Apocolypse.) No law abiding citizen should fear identification. What do you all have to hide?
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let them take the cat. They can keep it...

Cell Phones were proven to cause cancer if used too much (or something like that). Wouldn't that chip have a similar effect? It's signal has to be much stronger than a cell phone's. That's one reason why I think this chip doesn't even exist: They can't get such a powerfull signal from such a small device. Antennae are not something that can be shrunken like transistors.

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hmmm...I think Zircher is one of them

WWSD?
Oh here's to my sweet Satan. The one whose little path would make me sad who's power is Satan. He'll give you give you 666. There was a little toolshed where he made us suffer sad Satan.
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Quote: "Well, from a Christian standpoint, things are only worse for those who aren't believers. "

Or for those who become believers after the rapture. Things get really ugly for them.
John was being exiled on an island, he wasn't "stranded" there all alone. Saying the book was influenced by mushrooms isn't right. He couldn't have been talking about nero as he said these things were still going to come. Nero was already there (if I didn't get my history wrong). If he was talking about Nero, the rapture would have happend already.

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Quote: "Cell Phones were proven to cause cancer if used too much (or something like that). "


Thats an urban legend, same as cellphones causing fire at gas stations.

http://www.etceteraweb.com/IYNC/12-20-00.cellphone-cancer.pdf

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Well, you could sit in a microwave if you want to test the effects of radiation...
Also, wouldn't even a tiny bubble of air inside the make the thing go pop when you're in an airplane? They better be vacuum packed.

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Quote: "what the Hell is "You think Americans are free? Hahahaha... *wipes tear*" supposed to mean?"


Because Americans are only as free as what they're used to. They're not free in the real sense of the word. If you joke about certain things over email, which is ALL MONITORED, the CIA will arrest you so fast your head will spin. Just one example. That's freedom? Bah.

Because you may be freer than people in many other countries doesn't make you free.

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Quote: "Because you may be freer than people in many other countries doesn't make you free."


Nothing in the world is truly free.


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@Zircher: This might not be a big deal, but there is the possibility that this will set a precident. That is not my opinion, but a fact. If this was to be accepted, then the government would a have a precident to make a mandantory id chip implant. That would just be scary.

@TKF15H: Have you seen that HP commercial were they said that they had made a working cell phone that an ant could use? nano-tech.

@Gamespro: looks like you ave a lot more time on your hands.And that you are a pre-teen.

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Quote: "@TKF15H: Have you seen that HP commercial were they said that they had made a working cell phone that an ant could use? nano-tech."


No, haven't seen it. Though, how would you dial a number on that?

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@TK15H: you are not supposed to actually use it, it was just an example of nano-technology

@GamesPro: you sure are an angry little kid aren't you?

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Kinda makes me wonder if that Nigiran princess (e-mailed me about her millions of dollars) is really as old as she sounds...

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Quote: "The Anti-Christ takes the thrown"

It seems this new 'Maitreya' guy has something to with that:


No really, this is some freaky sh!t. He claims to be the new Christ, Messiah, Krishna, and Imam Mahdi fused together (Yes I'm also thinking DBZ). And he's been appearing all over the world doing miracles everywhere, building his followers up. I say he's evil and we burn him!

Go here for more info:
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Sorry about that Guy's!

Games Pro has been banned and all his threads and those refering solely to him have been removed.

Thanks to Vash the Stampede for pointing this one out to me

And, us Aussies weren't asleep, it was day-time here, thus, we were doing our week-day thing, such as work and/or school

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Quote: "Cell Phones were proven to cause cancer if used too much (or something like that). Wouldn't that chip have a similar effect? It's signal has to be much stronger than a cell phone's. That's one reason why I think this chip doesn't even exist: They can't get such a powerfull signal from such a small device. Antennae are not something that can be shrunken like transistors."


Nah, the current breed of chips are the size of a grain of rice and you have to scan for them at very close range. They are not capable of broadcasting like a cell phone to a tower several miles away.

Here are some facts on AVID that might help put things in perspective.

http://www.avidid.com/technology/tech_english.html

The chip alone does nothing until you combine it with scanners, bio-metrics/photo ID, and a database.
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You know I actually knew that, it's just that it was around three in the morning and I hadn't slept yet. Logic was evading me...


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Didn't it say something about GPS? Satallite comunications?

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Posted: 29th Jul 2004 02:01 Edited at: 29th Jul 2004 02:01
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Thats recieving isn't it? As soon as you want to broadcast more than a short distance you need power and you arn't going to get much of a battery inside something the size of a grain of rice.

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