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Geek Culture / VeriChip inplants, for or against?

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Night Giant
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so if that guy is the anti-christ (he couldn't be the christ because in Rev it says the anti-christ will come first i believe), and the company is the false prophet (giving the marks and all), if they team up i'm gettin' the hell out of this dimension, lol.

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Sparda
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Quote: "It was John"


Are you refering to the disciple John? Cause Revelations was written loooong after the bible. But the rest of Killswitch's explanation is correct.

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Killswitch
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Thank you! Lol John is a comman name!

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Wired magazine, September 2004 issue, page 50.

You can now rent RFID bracelets for your children when going to Legoland Denmark. The technology allows you to locate your kids anywhere within 10 feet if they are in the park or if they try to leave.

Like I said, we will not need the Thought Police kicking in the door, we'll do it to ourselves.
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Ian T
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I won't. It's not paranoia to be wary of wearing a microchip that you can not remove which will transmit your position to anyone who has the right technology on their hands. I mean, even if the network was run by a benevolant government (no such thing exists) and well protected, what if the frikking thing was hacked into? It's always possible. And you wouldn't have any way to know who knew where you were at any time. This is so far removed from identification bracelets...

I'll wear nails in my eye sockets before I wear a microchip in my hand. Enough said.

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zircher
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I know. I was gunning for the slow but eventual public acceptance angle. BTW, you can only reprogram hardware in bad Hollywood movies and Star Trek episodes.
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Ian T
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Quote: "BTW, you can only reprogram hardware in bad Hollywood movies and Star Trek episodes."


Er, yeah , but if the microchip can function as a locator at all, it must be able to broadcast and do so upon recieving a broadcast password of some sort-- anyone with the right data and hardware can retrieve your location at any time.

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Hell Dragonz43
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Will we be forced 2 or is it optional? Er, i dont like the sound of this...


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Ian T
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In Belgium you'll be forced to...

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Great Knight
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Posted: 27th Aug 2004 07:31
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They all ready did it. abunch of Mexicans Volunteer and a family in Florida all ready have it. The chip.

Speaking of Cell phones. I hate them I hope they stop selling.

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Ian T
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Posted: 27th Aug 2004 07:33
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What's wrong with cell phones? I'm not one to throw years of my life out the window, but... really, what's so bad about them? I haven't seen anything indicating they do any noticable damage even over decades, and life would be one heck of a lot more inconvinient without them.

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zircher
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Posted: 27th Aug 2004 07:41
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Quote: "it must be able to broadcast and do so upon recieving a broadcast password of some sort"


Read some of the links I posted. You have to be at short range to a scanner and the RFID returns a number like, 4542-287899-0. The number is fairly useless until you connect it with a database.

It's the same kind of tracking that any business (or government agency) can do to you now when you use your credit card.
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Ian T
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Yes, but credit cards are a whole different ball game. You choose when and where to use them and you have the option to avoid using them entirely. A microchip in your skin that you take with you everywhere, can't turn off and can't refuse is... incomparable.

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The dude guy
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Posted: 27th Aug 2004 11:02
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Whoever believes in that is WRONG! why make up 666! It could be 4354! They just do that to get money!

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Ian T
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Quote: " Whoever believes in that is WRONG!"


Whatever you believe, you're wrong!



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I highly doubt the verichip or any other chip will go very far before some necessary medical improvements. A computer chip in the body is a like a bacteria farm. The cost for antibiotics would far outprice the use of any chip in the body.


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It's funny to read. The actual technology goes more to fringer-print reading, adn-reading and retina-scans. So if they have a big database somewhere, like Zircher said. There is no use for chips.

Quote: "In Belgium you'll be forced to..."

Wat do you mean by that ?


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Konrad, the current RFID technology is down to a grain of rice inside of a neutral medium like glass. It is a zero power system that requires very close proximity to a scanning wand. It has been proven to be more than safe enough for household pets on a long term basis.

Anyone see the commercial where the guy walks up to his car and it recognizes him? No storm troopers needed, people will pay for the technology. It's all a matter of time and marketing spin.

Damokles has a valid point. There are systems that will visually scan the bone structure of your face and try to make a match. It's possible to get IDed from 100 meters away. The real crap shoot is what systems will dominate the future passive or active ID? England and perhaps Europe in general seems to have a lead in public video systems. I'd need to do my home work on Japan.
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Hmm, there's a game idea buried in this thread some where. Imagine trying to be a fugitive in a Big Brother future like that.

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That's the danger of it. Once it becomes commonplace, abuse of the system is inevitable. The moment the technology crosses the line from option to life neccessity it's a violation of human rights.

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Quote: "violation of human rights"


Human rights ?
Since when do humans (really) have rights ?
I always believed humans did not have the same rights.

(Edited to make it more understandable)

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Quote: "I mean all humans the same right."


What?

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Quote: ""The line in the sand that we draw is that the use of the VeriChip would always be voluntarily," said Keith Bolton"


You heard it from the man himself, no not God, the other man.

Ok, that bacteria farm was based off the results of an experiment done several years ago. The chip was wired to a man's neural network in his left wrist. He was able to turn on/off lights, close/open doors, and basically interact with any other electrical appliance that had a receiver chip. In the end the man was forced to remove the chip because he developed so many infections.

Try as people might to bash America, people really do have rights. No the CIA does not monitor your every move and in fact they really don't care. Just watch out for black helicopters


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Quote: "The line in the sand that we draw is that the use of the VeriChip would always be voluntarily," said Keith Bolton"

sand lines can be scuffed.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2004 07:47
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My dad's doing a report on this for work, so I know a ton about it.

Advantages:
Tracking lost kids down
No more keys necessary
Your car, wallet, bike, credit card, gun(police are starting to use them), will only work if your chip is within feet of them

Disadvantages:
Possible infections
Rely on electricity more
Locked out of house if there's an error in the system

In my opinion, nowdays they don't need to have it attached to your nervous system, which 10x lowers chance of infection, and makes it well worth the risk. The only problem would be today's computers level of reliance. They fail too often for it to be worth it. Maybe in twenty years, but not now.

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Let's just hope it doesn't have a windows based operating system


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I'd like to have a computer that can be logged on with that chip! And if there were EVER! and I mean Ever! A risk of disease or something I'm sewing somebody!

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You failed to mention as a disadvantage that if those chips were really connected to everything, the person who controls your chip controls your life ... Big Brother...

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Is... That... True!?

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GAH! You guys don't get it. RFID is NOT a computer chip. It is NOT an OS. It is NOT connected to your nervous system. It is NOT cybernetics. It has no power source that needs messing with.

Here are some facts on AVID that might help put things in perspective.

http://www.avidid.com/technology/tech_english.html
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So... It's gonna be put on animals not us?

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Who knows what the future holds? It is being used by humans in non-permanent capacity: bracelets, key chains, etc.
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Where do you get it?

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Ian T
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None of that relates to my point at all, and it still stands. Its current use and whether or not it has a power cell or an operating system is completely unrelated.

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@Zircher - It was a joke


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i would get this chip. how would someone steal your wallet if you don't have one. no more forgetting your wallet aswell. and about that bible crap thats all it is written by man that may or may not have been high on shrooms.

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Yup... if all your money was virtual, how could it possibly be stolen or become worthless?



Gee, I wonder why really frigging rich corperations and billionaires everywhere keep their money in the form of gold bars...

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Quote: "become worthless"


Do you know what inflation is ?

Quote: "Gee, I wonder why really frigging rich corperations and billionaires everywhere keep their money in the form of gold bars"

Maybe because the alue of gold is more stable than the value of money.


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Quote: "Gee, I wonder why really frigging rich corperations and billionaires everywhere keep their money in the form of gold bars..."

Gold bars aren't affected by inflation.
Gold bars will rise in price.
If something happens to the US for example, your gold bars don't lose value/aren't worthless.


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Yeah, you're right. Despite the 'gee' and satiric smile, there's obviously no chance I was being sarcastic.

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I never said anything about the chip being an OS!
Its not! its just a chip. IT has no power source. IT is not connected to your nervous system. Yes, you can get disease from it because your body isn't used to it, but its not in any way relying on you. No one can control you.

What I ment when I said you rely on powerr and computers, was the other side. The chip scanner. If it doesn't notice your chip, it won't work for you. You can't get into your car/house, you cant use your gun, you need that other side in order to make anything react, and thats why we should improve our technology first. Maybe a hybrid would work. You can use your chip to get in your house, but if you can't make it work, you can still use your keys.

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