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Jimmy
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ion stream: maybe if there was less using words like "affable" and more using words like "that chick's a babe!" and "conga pants" we wouldn't have that problem.


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For example: Dude, Darwin, that chick's a babe!! I'd like to conga pants in her living room all night.

Sounds dirty, but it's really... really not.


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Quote: "I love you Manticore

Hold me like you did all those other, other times!"
Ok *Grabs Jimmys crotch*

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What in the world are you talking about? I wasn't talking about that chick in his sig.

Even so, I edited the post. It's less confusing.

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Haha I like it, but you forgot congo pants


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Posted: 29th Oct 2004 16:57
Manticore and Jimmy - Can we please keep the sexual innuendo off of every other thread?

It just drags it down into the mud.


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Posted: 29th Oct 2004 19:01
@Neo - very good points indeed.

My view on whether we should have gone to war is simple. If they brokei nternational law, you go to war.

I don't think Iraq broke international law.

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Posted: 29th Oct 2004 23:24
True, but then they did break the laws of human rights, which stand for something worthwhile aswell in my opinion.

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Posted: 29th Oct 2004 23:38
Quote: " True, but then they did break the laws of human rights"


Whoose laws?


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Good point, and I have to concede that the answer is our laws...

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Posted: 30th Oct 2004 00:04
Quote: "So how many bugs have you killed mouse? How many life forms have you ever killed in your past."


The difference is there that bugs can't tell what is wrong and right. They have no soul.

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Quote: "The difference is there that bugs can't tell what is wrong and right. They have no soul."


According to who might I ask? Seeing as you cannot prove anyone has a soul anyway, how can you know a bug doesn't have one?

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Faith. That's what religion is all about.

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So you have faith that a bug has no soul. Doesn't it say in the bible that all living creatures must be respected and what not?

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Quote: "Doesn't it say in the bible that all living creatures must be respected and what not?"

yes it does..but it also clearly conveys that humans are in command of the rest of the species(I.E. Hamburgers are fine with god)...because we are made in god's image...and they are not...(bugs)

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Posted: 30th Oct 2004 00:35
Animals have no eternal soul in the Christian religion . It's made quite explicitly clear in the Bible.


I don't think saying 'whose laws of right or wrong' means anything. Just because the rest of the world is dragged down into forgetting that there is good and evil means we should as well. International law is becoming more and more useless. The UN has its own interests at heart and its worthlessness as proven after they failed to come to a resolution after Saddam passed the deadline for disarming without cooperating in the slightest.


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Posted: 30th Oct 2004 00:37
Quote: "Just because the rest of the world is dragged down into forgetting that there is good and evil means we should as well."


But we can't invade a country because we think they're evil. If that happened I think many arabic states would have risen up and invaded the US by now.

Countries have sovereignty over their borders.

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Posted: 30th Oct 2004 00:39
Quote: "But we can't invade a country because we think they're evil."


I think there's a bit of a difference between 'thinking they're evil' and 'knowing they've committed hundreds of atrocities that are considered unforgivable in every major religion and punishable by death in every civilization'


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Posted: 30th Oct 2004 00:51
Quote: "I think there's a bit of a difference between 'thinking they're evil' and 'knowing they've committed hundreds of atrocities that are considered unforgivable in every major religion and punishable by death in every civilization' "


But they can do what they want within their own borders. That's one tough thing to accept but countries may not always be nice guys. GOing in and invading a country isn't going to help, it's just goingto make the problem 10x worse like it has done with Iraq.

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No. I simply do not agree. Standing by and watching the atrocities going on in Iraq and doing nothing about it is wrong. Evil by inaction. There's always a peak in violence as peace begins, and that's the price everyone seems afraid to pay. But it needs to be.


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Posted: 30th Oct 2004 01:03 Edited at: 30th Oct 2004 01:03
Quote: "No. I simply do not agree. Standing by and watching the atrocities going on in Iraq and doing nothing about it is wrong. Evil by inaction. There's always a peak in violence as peace begins, and that's the price everyone seems afraid to pay. But it needs to be."


Right - off to Uzbekistan then



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Posted: 30th Oct 2004 01:18
Quote: "It just drags it down into the mud."
OOOOHHHHH, mud wrestling?

I think we shouldn't be putting religeion in here beacause it's just nuts with aetheists vs nuts(christians)(j/k), ya know.

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Posted: 30th Oct 2004 01:31
You forgot the 'irrational spammer/troll' class .


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Posted: 30th Oct 2004 01:32
Quote: "Right - off to Uzbekistan then"


Exactly! I was just about to say that!

There's plenty of non-oil rich African countries you can go and save from their evil dictators. Some of them do worse things than Saddam Hussein.

Quote: "It's made quite explicitly clear"


That crack's me. It means nothing. Just shove 'quite' into you're replies to make it sound more intelligent, eh? Put a few Latin phrases in there as well while you're at it et dimino extrate. Bit of an ad hominem there.

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Posted: 30th Oct 2004 01:36 Edited at: 30th Oct 2004 01:36
Quote: "Put a few Latin phrases in there as well while you're at it et dimino extrate. Bit of an ad hominem there."


Don't forget

caecilius est in horto laborat

(all I can remember from that cambridge latin textbook)

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Posted: 30th Oct 2004 01:57
Quote: "The difference is there that bugs can't tell what is wrong and right. They have no soul."


According to atheist beliefs, neither do we.


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Quote: "caecilius est in horto laborat "


Yep. That's extremely very right.

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Quote: "Yep. That's extremely very right."


Quite extremely very right even.

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Posted: 30th Oct 2004 02:46
Hey, how about you tards start attacking Mouse's arguements rather than the way he talks.

Idiots.


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Brit humour, all a friendly joke

(Actually I didn't notice Chris's extremely very)

No offence meant

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Quote: "That crack's me. It means nothing. Just shove 'quite' into you're replies to make it sound more intelligent, eh? Put a few Latin phrases in there as well while you're at it et dimino extrate. Bit of an ad hominem there."


Please excuse sir. Forgot minimum word restriction in argument. Will comply now. Much sorry.


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Quote: " Just because the rest of the world is dragged down into forgetting that there is good and evil means we should as well."

When did that happen?

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But who defines what is good and evil? Just because every religion says something is good or evil, still doesn't mean they're all right either. If everyone else you know does drugs or whatever, does that mean they are right?

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Quote: "When did that happen?"


When Raven was born.

Couldn't resist... like what's Raven got to do with it??

everything.


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Kentaree, I'm operating my argument with the hope that the majority of the world will never forget it is wrong to murder, rape, steal, and otherwise defile and destroy life in every imaginable way. Saddam Hussain and his sons are guilty of every single vile crime I can think of. If we ever do forget, well, screw it, I'm moving to Mars .


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Kent, I think you're forgetting that the majority of the world has the same definitions of good and evil. Maybe you think murder is ok, but about 6 billion people disagree.


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Well, good thing SuperJimmy is there to stop him then, isn't it.

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This is just silly


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I never said murder is ok. I could go on about my own beliefs for hours, and there would be those you'd agree with, and those you wouldn't. It doesnt automatically make it right.

I'm an atheist, so I could also look at it from the way that if you kill a person, it wont make any difference in the end anyway, cos when you die you're gone. Personally, I dislike harming other people, both physically and mentally. I'm just saying there's other people with different beliefs, and apart from telling them my own beliefs, what can I say to prove them wrong?

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To clarify and recap my argument a bit, Higher Law is more important than international law. International law can be corrupted and twisted, and with the power the UN has been given, inevitably will be. Higher law states--

-Do not enroach upon other persons or their property

-Do all you have agreed to be

And a tip of the hat to Richard Maybury for wording them.

These are laws that are understood in every civilization and religion because they are the pillars of civilization. Without them, civilization would not have come to be in the first place; they come about naturally as the basis for peace and order. They're what I believe should be followed above all else.


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Lol, I could go into the argument of "that's opinion" again, but I wont, mainly because I agree on having a good strong law, even while I disagree with parts of it.

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Quote: "But who defines what is good and evil? Just because every religion says something is good or evil, still doesn't mean they're all right either. If everyone else you know does drugs or whatever, does that mean they are right?"


every (wo)man has a conscious, you know this. there has been some 'evil' people who have lost their memories, and lived a 'nice' 'clean' life, and when they remember what their life was before, they cant believe they did things like that, because of their conscious.


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I'm glad we agree.

Law is crucial.

Now hurry up and change your avatar to contain 'Mouse Rules' or I'll ban you


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Darwin, if everything we did was based on someone's conscience, the world would be off even worse. How many murderers have no remorse when they kill someone, how many times have people even been proud of being mass-murderers (like the guy who dropped to bomb on either nagasaki or hiroshima, can't remember which)

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I, as some may know, live in Arizona, and moved here in 2000 from my birth city LONDON,I remember 9/11 and the look on the faces of my work mates watching the towers fall, I remember the guys in the bar screaming for blood, "we need to kill those bastards for what they did to all those poor innocent people", Now we are going for the scum that celebrated in the streets of Baghdad the world is complaining.
But I also remember the innocent victims of the IRA, and the British people saying "why don't they do something about the murdering scum that are killing innocent woman and children in the streets of London the Goverment know who they are, these children did not have anything do do with Ireland's problems" but the IRA killed them anyway.
Think about what you said and thought the day you watched the towers fall, when you seen people jump from windows in a vain attempt to survive, when you herd the noise of the body's hitting the ground picked up by the sound crews inside the foyer of one of the towers, when you sore the Muslims dancing in celebration in the street, then go out and VOTE.

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I have little against Islam... but I do feel people have forgotten watching those towers fall. Watching people throw themselves out of windows with no chance of living. I haven't.


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Might I also tell you about the centuries of suppression from the British, the killings, and the famine that killed literally MILLIONS of people that lived in Ireland?

Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. People cheered? Let them, they're the ignorant ones. If the government had watched their back like they should, a lot of this could have been avoided, and thousands of people on both sides wouldn't be dead.

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it's not Islam who is doing it. In Islam scripture is states that killing the innocent is evil. so these people killing the innocent for the sake of allah or whatever is just a coverup and they are not truly Islamic


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Agreed, the islamic religion is as peaceful as any. Its extremists that are dangerous. For millions, possibly billions of people, a few thousand extremists exist, and manage to destroy other's reputation, and the way its going now, their world.

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Posted: 30th Oct 2004 04:00
Quote: " Maybe you think murder is ok, but about 6 billion people disagree."


Jimmy, that is a wonderful, elegant and well supported argument you have there. Where do they teach you such excellent debating skills?


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