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David T
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Quote: "There are no triple decker buses in London, David T - if there were I'm sure they would have been on the list."


Why you talking to me? I didn't say anything about triple deckers...

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Argg.. I wrote "Double?Tripple?" meaning I wasn't sure of what type of busses they were. I don't live in London. And during my post I couldn't remember if it was 2 double, 3 double, 2 triple etc... my mistake.

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A triple decker bus would just fall over


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Posted: 7th Jul 2005 22:21 Edited at: 7th Jul 2005 22:23
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I dont know what all this talk of a power surge is - Al queda have claimed responsibility.

there's a lot to be said for unspeakable acts...
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Personally I'd say if its terrorists, AL kaieda, IRA, iraqis or even jelous french people (I highly doubt it)

Well its obvious these 'terrorists' (they are terrorists, because they caused a large amount of terror) have devised a plan, probaly a quite clever one, they have shut down the train service right, and all forms of transports in london too, and well theres a lot of people in one place in london isn't there? Well personally if I was in London, I'd get the hell outta there, this is probaly just a blow to us to get our awareness before theres a big attack, they prolly want us to panick, so, well if I was parliament, I would over look that idea and try to do what I could to get them out of there, but I'm not a suit with a lot of money and going bald with grey hair

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Its sad. What is the world coming to. Sick minded individuals bringing innocent people into political debates.

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Problem is - people cant get out of london.. Loads of stations are shut and there is no way one you're IN london to travel arouns (unless you're minted enough to pay for a taxi.. which'd be able £10 to go down the road ( ~$20 )...)

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I know, and our government isn't exactly protecting us from terrorists, isn't it supposed to be the governments first priority to ensure the safety and well being of their people? Nope, they think more about money, other countries that aren't even a threat and sticking their nose in other peoples business where people get p**sed off and do these terrorist attacks to show the government a lesson. So basicly if the government focused on their own country and kept there noses out of other peoples business, well things like the london attack, 911 etc wouldn't happen

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Bush you bloody hypocrite!!

"Dont yield to terrorists who kill and injure innocent people!"

He caused the death of 100,000 people in the name of power and money and not any real cause! BUSH IS AN INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST HIMSELF! THIS WORLD MAKES NO SENSE.

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My uncle said on MSN they aren't likely able to get out of london until tomorrow, my aunt is in london at the moment because she works there, so I doubt even if you could get a taxi, you won't be able to get out, transport in london is at a halt

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Hypicrit? I doubt he even cares, he's a puppet, decisions are his own, but yeah, how could people re-vote him in, the first election he fixed, the second he won by propaganda. I'm sorry if americans will disagree with what I think of bush, but meh

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"One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter"



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He won because he had better propagnda but that is the point in elections and rallying.... jeez!

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true true, terrorist point is true as well, USA and UK are terrorists to Iraq etc, USA and UK aren't terrorists to us (to some people they are freedom fighters, I disagree with em) and well theres the other way round al quaieda are our terrorists and the IRA etc (to believe America supply the IRA weapons, very odd, but I guess the sellers are interested in the money in it)

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exactly.

"One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter"

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I wonder what they'll call this... it's the 7th july. Hmm... 07/07?

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707 to go with 911, now what does 707 relate to, if they did it at 9 o clock on the 9th of the 9th you'd get 999, but I guess they're not going for significant numbers (I don't mean the term in maths) as 911 was, they'd prolly call it G8 05 day or something, or the day tony blair gets the sack or resigns in panick, whatever happens first

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My guess is extremists and related to the olympic bid...

"Pull your troops of (whichever country they're from) if not you'll pay for it at the time of the olympics" type of threat

as demonstrated, it was possible, and if it was extremists, they'd certainly be capable of doing similar all the way in 2012...

that's my guess, as cold-blooded as it may seem...

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we look at that london bus as its exploded as an icon that defies the third world continuity of harmony in disbeleif, yet it happened to us in the third world. australia is next and they will drop bombs in ou capitals.

i hope australia doesnt get hit, we are a precursor of relaxed creatures who say shell be right mate. when in fact its not right and we will kick ass in retribution for our fellow ukers and for any shit on our soil.

we have the best special services in the world proved again and again who kick ass over these towelhead camel farkers sorry for the bad french but it gets my tits in a testy

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The only time in the next few months when the Aussies ass's are kicked is the Ashes


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As horrific as all this is - it was only a matter of time.

My concearn is that the culprits are busy slapping backs and laughing about how easy that was - we should ask ourselves how long before the next attack and what could be realistically done to 'try' and prevent this happening again.


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Quote: "Bush you bloody hypocrite!!

"Dont yield to terrorists who kill and injure innocent people!"

He caused the death of 100,000 people in the name of power and money and not any real cause! BUSH IS AN INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST HIMSELF! THIS WORLD MAKES NO SENSE."


Please don't turn this thread into another thread about Bush and America.

My thoughts to those in London, hope nothing else happens today.
I have some relatives in London, but phones are too busy and I can't get through. I'm sure they are alright however, as they live in Chisick (sp?).

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ahem, we have been training iraqis how to be regular army. we only lost one journalist to iraq so far ahem ahem, our ss was first into iraq because yanks and poms smell too much to be
LEET !

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All we can do is prepare for the worst and keep away from where they are likely to strike, just hope they don't take out RAF bases, we got a few near where I live, one is an American one, but I would see why they'd attack the Cambridge area

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One word, "The Ashes"

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I just got the news. I am horrified! I remember 9-11 and how frightening and sad this situation can be! The concern for people you know, people you work with, and friends and family. My sympathies go out to everyone affected.

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and iirc we are the only country to take them off you ashes
regardless its time to bond together as you always want a feral aussie on your side since you have lost the ability to adapt in the mix with the jungle

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Just waking up to the news here in NYC...

Its really sad to hear whats happened there in London. My best wishes go out to all of you affected by this.



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07/07/2005

Hmmm... 2+0+0+5 = 7... Therefore its the 777 attack

Its slowly returning to "normal" here as far as I can tell. Everyone around me (including me) are working together to try to either figure out routes home or offering floor space.. Canon Street is still shut (as of 14:30) but it seems Charing Cross is open.

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Quote: "One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter"


what kind of sick freedom fighter targets innocents?



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"One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter"

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yeah... but... ?

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Yeah but what? My statement makes perfectly clear the point.

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Quote: "what kind of sick freedom fighter targets innocents?"


It all depends on your perspective. From their point of view - we aren't innocent. They honestly beleive "we" are scum and deserve to die. That have no concept that what they are doing is wrong, just as when George Bush invaded Iraq to take out sadam, he consider what he was doing right. I dont want to turn this thread into a "right vs wrong" thread, but my point is that everyone beleives that what they're doing is right otherwise they wouldn't do it. Unless of course those people are mentally sick

I agree with Powersoft..

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A freedom fighter would logically be fighting for freedom...

to be able to do something like that, looks to me like someone's got all the freedom they need...

but that still leaves me thinking "why innocents" they're not in anyway responsible for what happening in Iraq. Most of them are probably against it....

massacring the military would be good from their point of view...

killing regular people - not really a great achievement is it? and it's only gonna annoy the government even more and make us less likely to withdraw...

Targetting innocent people isn't fighting for freedom it's just playground bullying - and not in the slightest way respectable

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You can have that opinion but thats based on your definition of FREEDOM FIGHTER and TERRORIST

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Quote: "and not in the slightest way respectable"


Never said it was... However, remember whenever we go to places like Iraq, we end up killing innocents.

Also remember its us innocents that elected our leader.

Its the way of the 21st century. Everyone is a target. WW2 pretty much saw to that, what with the new ability to bomb anyone you want.

Quote: ""why innocents" they're not in anyway responsible for what happening in Iraq"

We are though - if we really didn't want it to happen, we could have done a lot more than just a march. Empeaching Tony for not listening to HIS people, pretty much anything.. But we didn't. WE just sat there saying "oh please dont..." and that includes me!

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Quote: " I dont want to turn this thread into a "right vs wrong" thread"


Please don't, there motives are irrelevant and PowerSoft is right.

So exactly how many trains and buses were affected? I get a different story from every website I go to.

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this is bad!!! scince Bush (gag!!)was in london, or at least that area, theres going to be a LOT of upror from all the us news companies. then theres going to be a seacond war on terorisem, and then.....

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Quote: "However, remember whenever we go to places like Iraq, we end up killing innocents."

We don't try to

Quote: "Also remember its us innocents that elected our leader."
Only some of us -- I didn't vote Labour...

But other than that, yeah I suppose we could, and SHOULD have done a bit more in the earlier stages...

Quote: "this is bad!!! scince Bush (gag!!)was in london"

Meaning Bush may have been the target?

This just gets worse and worse...

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This is pretty sad news. Expected, to an extent, as Van said, but sad.

Something has to be done to prevent terrorism of this extent, and obviously complete surveilence and effecient policing (this is London ffs) isn't the sole solution. And neither is cowering down and blaming it all on Bush for trying to fight back...

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Quote: "And neither is cowering down and blaming it all on Bush for trying to fight back..."


Couldn't agree more.

The problem is, there is virtually no way you can stop this kind of threat, because anybody can be a terrorist, go undetected and blow themselves up in a public area and nobody knows where or when these things will happen because they do not neccesarily need alot of planning - it could be as simple as a couple of guys phoning each other and saying a date on the phone, and then they all set off bombs they have each prepared on that date. Who could stop something like that?

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sickened and very very angry,

close the borders and let no bugger in or out, hunt them down and publicly execute them all. we cannot and must not tolerate this kind attack on our nation. All the groups involved should have every member exterminated along with all their sympathisers, regardless of where they come from. We should have done the same with every member of the IRA in the 80's. any political movement which supports these attrocities or is in any way sympathetic to their 'cause' should also be exterminated without question.

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Little strict isn't it?!

Oh great.. I'm about to head off home early (working from home tomorrow now) and there is a hoofing great rain cloud coming in AGAIN... :-(

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Quote: "Who could stop something like that? "


You have to strike at the organizations that fund the bombs in the first place. I think Grant's on the right track, although overzealous IMO. Detain and question every known terrorist and shut down every group that sympathises with them until you've got a lead - that's the only way I can think of to realisticaly get to the bottom of this thing soon enough and prevent it from happening again.

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I'd like to agree, but I don't think draconian policies would work, that would just lead to more tension.

Sorry Cattle Rustler

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Quote: ""this is bad!!! scince Bush (gag!!)was in london""


No, he's up at G8... in Scotland...

I cry when I read things like that.


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