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Resident Evil 4 fanboy
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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 09:36
Okay, which next gen consoles will you get

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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 09:44
I'll have a cup of tea and two ginger biscuits thank you please.

If I were to get one it would be the Revolution I think


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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 09:46
arg, not again... >_<
Nobody can make a decision until the hardware is publicly available. From what we've heard, the consoles will be the next big thing in gaming technology just like Doom 3, and we've already seen a thread about how that turned out.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 09:51
I only said Revolution because I know that Nintendo's games mostly rule, however I don't play consoles much anymore. I'm quite sad Sega chose not to develop a new console this time round


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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 09:57
Quote: "I'm quite sad Sega chose not to develop a new console this time round"



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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 09:59
X360 because thats where Mistwalker Studios is gonna be (Ex-President of Square, Nobuo Uematsu, Akira Toriyama). Maybe a PS3 after that.

Right now all I have is the PS2, as it has the only RPGs truly worth playing right now IMO. The XBOX has good RPG's none the less, but I see a purchase of a xbox is futile, especially seeing as Fable is coming to the PC in a few months, and Jade Empire will probably end up on the PC sooner or later.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 10:00
Quote: "Nobody can make a decision until the hardware is publicly available. From what we've heard, the consoles will be the next big thing in gaming technology just like Doom 3, and we've already seen a thread about how that turned out."

I hear people on these forums constantly saying "Its not the tools but the person who make the games" and "It's not about the bells and whistles, it's about the game play" and here you are now talking about how you wont make a decision until you know how pretty it can make things

I'd choose the Rev because of the ability to download classics

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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 10:07
I'm going to buy world peace!

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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 10:10 Edited at: 20th Jul 2005 10:13
Quote: "and here you are now talking about how you wont make a decision until you know how pretty it can make things"

Not really. If the hardware is good, people will have more reasons to make games for it. For example, the XBox360 has 3 processors, which is something the Sega Saturn tried to do. Learning from the past, we saw console developers having a hard time making things for the Saturn.
Developers having a hard time = fewer games

That, and the PS2 was also supposed to be a monster of a machine, and it isn't much better than the DC.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 10:32
I'm getting them all to be quite frank because I love aton of games on every console.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 11:02
ps3. even tho sony's publicity tactics at the unvieling ceremonies during e3 were a little low. lol


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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 12:19 Edited at: 20th Jul 2005 12:20
I feel as though the ps3 is more powerful than the 360 however, it seems as though the ps3 online games won't nealy as goo as the 360's. however these next gen console games rose by 10 bucks! does anyone feel the same way? and nintendo hasn't release any info on the controller!

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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 14:49
How about not doing anything fun that costs money for a year and getting all three?


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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 18:18
Quote: "Okay, which next gen consoles will you get"


None of them.


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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 21:41
both of them, so as i can hack the shergar out of them in an effort to sink the evil that is M$ and crony. j/k

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Posted: 21st Jul 2005 00:43 Edited at: 21st Jul 2005 00:44
another thing is id vs epic games. Both these game companys are releasing game engines id with the doom 3 engine and epic with the unreal engine 3 and both of these are powering the ps3 and 360 but no detail for the revolution. Speaking of which! does anyone feel as though nintendo finally release that online gaming is the future?

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Posted: 21st Jul 2005 02:06
Let's lose the Next - Gen Consoles for a minute, and talk about previous ones. Does anyone here still own/has owned a SEGA Megadrive? Man, that was amazing. Personally, I thought it rocked, in all it's 16-bit Glory.

But, it did have some crappy games. I mean, Marvo's Magic Football?
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Oh yeah, I'm gonna go for PS3. It rocks.

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Posted: 21st Jul 2005 02:23
Quote: "How about not doing anything fun that costs money for a year and getting all three?"
Umm. Ok. Thats what I did last time. But why the not doing anything fun that costs money bit? Good olde jobs supply necessary wonga. Although think I'll avoid the "must buy now!" that I did for the last few years. I remember buying the N64 on day of launch, with 2 games (Mario 64 and Turok) and a couple of accessories (memory thingy etc), and it came to about £450 (Just under $800). I believe. Yargles.... Turok was £70 on it's own. And a load of pap (Quake totally destoyed it if I remember rightly).

For me, 1st on the list will be the PS3, mainly for Blu-Ray, and me HDMI projector. Yum. Then the 360. Followed by Ninty. This will be messed up if they release Mario128 before I'm ready mind....

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Posted: 21st Jul 2005 07:19
I'll judge the next gen consoles on the Sega games they have, and buy accordingly. I have held no loyalty to a particular console manufacturer since Sega vacated the hardware industry. My loyalty has been with Sega for nearly 20 years and it shall stay so for the forseeable future.

(Damn, I feel like my upper lip stiffening...)

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Posted: 21st Jul 2005 07:48 Edited at: 21st Jul 2005 07:49
Quote: "My loyalty has been with Sega for nearly 20 years and it shall stay so for the forseeable future"
Nah; whatever is good at the time. Gun games looking good on the PS2, buy a few cos they are a laugh. X-Box seems to be getting a few better games, buy a few of them. Gamecube comes out with the usual half dozen or so essential Ninty games, so buy them. No reason to be leaning one way or another.

Interestingly, Sega is one of the few big makes that I've *never* owned. Don't know why. Possibly preferred Ninty at the time, and never got round to Sega. Dunno, can't remember. Hell, I even got a Jaguar once upon a time. AvP was ace at the time

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Posted: 21st Jul 2005 12:36
For me it really comes down to Halo, Final Fantasy (and Devil May Cry), or Zelda. I'm leaning toward the 360 because the last 3 Final Fantasy Games have been crap. I've heard that they are gonna be $450, If the Revolution is $300 (Wasn't the gamecube cheaper than the others?) I'll probably get that. Also Is the 360 gona take a monthly fee to play online? what about the PS3? Is the Revolution gona have online?

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Posted: 21st Jul 2005 21:08
The Revolution will have free online gaming for Nintendo titles. Probably not free for third party games(if there is any).
The Rev will probably be priced at $200 (could be less given the way their always saying how much cheaper it will be. The 360 at $300(well that`s what they`re aiming for) and the PS3 at god know what (Maybe $400 they might put it at 300 but given Sony`s comments about the price tag probably not).
The 360 will probably have a years suscription or top up cards that do a month 2 months etc.


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Posted: 21st Jul 2005 21:28
Quote: "Eric T what is IMO?"


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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 11:01
But still, I think this time, the ps3 hardware is more powerful than the 360+revolution, however it is going to cost $398! I will go with the 360 because I love x-box live!

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 13:52
Why is everyone talking in present tense, here? You can't say:

PS3 is better than the Revolution so nyah nyah nyah! That's something the magazines do--- if you're a common sense gamer you'll know that the systems NEVER amount to pre-hype. Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, AND Sega have all broken dreams with wide-eyed grandiose statements and promises.


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Yeah jekus right about although the 360 probably has the most solid stats as to date as its being released this year and i beleive the alpha dev kits are out. The ps3 stats release were crap the 360 is way better ive seen the comparisons.

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By sure i will buy the X360. the games will be all photo-realistic games that cost 80$ each...the price is high for games...i hate too big prices

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Quote: "But why the not doing anything fun that costs money bit? Good olde jobs supply necessary wonga."

Normally I'd do that, but I'm a kid, school and extracurricular mishmash prohibit any large amount of income, employers would hate my hours .


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And mine, but that doesn't stop them paying me lots. Bwahahahaha!

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Me? A new PC.

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Get a 350$ pc from wal-mart and a $150 dollar add in video card and then you can top the current console market with more functionality and backward compatability.

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If buying a next gen console you will be extreamly stupid not to but an Xbox 360. Just by looking at the specs you will see that the Xbox 360 is far more advanced than the 2 other consoles.


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Posted: 24th Jul 2005 22:30 Edited at: 24th Jul 2005 22:31
Quote: "Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, AND Sega have all broken dreams with wide-eyed grandiose statements and promises."

It's more about interpretation, take the Dreamcast, Sega never 'promised' to have the internet gaming up and running by chrismas 1999, that's when they wanted it to be running. But they had to put it all bad due to technical problems, as we all know on these forums, bugs can put game develop back by months easily, and when you consider the DC was the first venture in the internet Sega had ever made, you can't blame them for taking their time. So because people assumed Sega were 'promising' internet gaming on the DC by christmas 1999, they all complained that Sega ripped them off by making empty promises. When all this happened I already knew that Sega probably wouldn't meet the christmas date they wanted to meet, so it didn't surprise me.

It's just like release dates, so many people think that release dates are the exact date a game will be available on, and when the developer turns around and ignores the date people think they're being ripped off and lied to.

I'm not trying to say they're innocent, we know Sony and Microsoft 'exagerated' the polygon rendering capabilities of Xbox and PS2 while Nintendo were a lot more realistic. But then again both Sega and Nintendo aren't saints themselves either. I'm pointing out that you need to understand the perspective of what they're saying, remember that sometimes marketting companies will re-word things in such a way that, considering common sense, what they say is an outright lie, while legally the wording is technically correct.

Here's an example, we've all seen those adverts for compensation where they say 'no win no fee', meaning if they don't win your case you don't pay them a penny. Thing is, before they'll take on your case they probably want you to shell out a few grand for an insurance policy for them to claim off if they fail in your claim, so they can cover their costs. This doesn't legally count as paying them a fee, but common sense says otherwise. Plus you don't get that money back afterwards anyway.

What it boils down to is you shouldn't judge a console on it's capabilities, whether hyped or not, judge the system on the games that get released for it, that's why my loyalty sits with a game developer, not a hardware manufacturer.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2005 22:50
Quote: "What it boils down to is you shouldn't judge a console on it's capabilities, whether hyped or not, judge the system on the games that get released for it, that's why my loyalty sits with a game developer, not a hardware manufacturer."


Developers will follow whatever system sells the best. As such it's all about hype of the console.

Once gamers start to believe the hype, that's it.
As s result the Playstation 3 is likely to propel Sony to the top spot, but even the analysts are saying the Microsoft will have a much larger market share this time. That said these are the same analysts who claim that Nintendo will go under.

See this is what I've always hated. It's never been about the games that stand out. Nintendo through-out thier history has quite frankly relied on innovation and the games. There was the whole NoA bashing campaign on Sega, for some reason that never actually happened this side of the pond (or back in Japan actually).

The previous console was hasn't been fought on the technology field, nor was it fought on the gaming field. It was fought in the hype and advertisement. Both Microsoft and Sony once again are going to try to achieve the same. Once again Nintendo seem to be biding thier time, trying to make sure the hardware and games will speak for themselves.

This said, something is different this time. When they unvieled the GameCube and Nintendo 64, it was introduced majorly with complete (and realistic) technical specifications.. being able to post impressive abilities. This time, focus isn't on the machine itself. It's on everything else.

While Microsoft provide minor updates to Live! and Sony ignore SonyOnline altogether. Nintendo have completely overhauled thier system to provide online gaming services that quite frankly will rival the PC in accessibility yet with complete control over being able to play anywhere, anytime.

Another point is while both rivals have shown off thier new machine designs and controllers, as well as some next generation 'prototypes'. Nintendo again showed nothing, they simply announced officially the console then focused on the here'n'now.

This is going to be a publicity war, and right now Nintendo seem to be deliberaly hiding from the spot-light. It might be a lead up to a much bigger impact on the market when things are officially announced.

Right now everyone has thier cards on the table in a simple pissing contest. Personally I see everyone counting Nintendo out, but from what I've heard, and seen so far. When they finally do decide to make an impact it's going to be huge.

The way I see it after reading some interesting articles about the next generation consoles. There is quite a big likelihood that Nintendo will be able to push out a console more powerful than both of the competitors.

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Quote: "If buying a next gen console you will be extreamly stupid not to but an Xbox 360. Just by looking at the specs you will see that the Xbox 360 is far more advanced than the 2 other consoles."


Actually, PS3 is vastly technically superior.
At least on paper.

Nobody has played any of these consoles, so nobody knows which one will be best. I won't be buying any however, as none of the games look interesting or fun. I bought a PS2 and XBox and only bought a handful of games... I bought over 60 for my PSX, and still buy them today for cheap.


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Why do people post instant flamewars, although this hasn't degrated that far yet...

Any vs forum is basic ground for a war... Most of them anyways...




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Quote: "right now Nintendo seem to be deliberaly hiding from the spot-light"

Quote: "When they finally do decide to make an impact it's going to be huge"

You know, that may be exactly what Nintendo are trying to make everyone think. What I'm talking about is the old and dangerous marketting trick of hyping things be keeping it quiet. Never releasing much official info and allowing the everyone else to hype it by rumours.

While Sony and Microsoft are trying to get the information for their systems into everyone's faces as quickly as possible in a bid to try and win customers and fans, Nintendo might be taking the complete opposite route.

It has worked in the past for a lot of companies, products etc. anything that's just appeared out of nowhere and become a sudden hit may have relied on this technique.

Considering how long Nintendo's been in the industry, and that fact that, like Sega, they have a habbit of doing things differently from everyone else, I wouldn't put it passed them!

Quote: "I won't be buying any however, as none of the games look interesting or fun."

I've seen a couple of next-gen games that look interesting:

Condemned - Sega's ultra violent fps.
Dead Rising - One man versus more zombies then you'd want to count!

But also consider the possiblities for next-gen sequals to existing games, with more power and more memory then consoles have had before many developers will take the opportunity to create gameplay in new ways. It's still early days yet, and until developers have had a chance to get to grips with the new systems, we won't be seeing what the next-gen systems will really be capable of.

It's a waiting game really, and for me, it's the games that will make the ultimate decision about which console is best.

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Quote: "Quote: "right now Nintendo seem to be deliberaly hiding from the spot-light"
Quote: "When they finally do decide to make an impact it's going to be huge"
You know, that may be exactly what Nintendo are trying to make everyone think. What I'm talking about is the old and dangerous marketting trick of hyping things be keeping it quiet. Never releasing much official info and allowing the everyone else to hype it by rumours.

While Sony and Microsoft are trying to get the information for their systems into everyone's faces as quickly as possible in a bid to try and win customers and fans, Nintendo might be taking the complete opposite route.

It has worked in the past for a lot of companies, products etc. anything that's just appeared out of nowhere and become a sudden hit may have relied on this technique.

Considering how long Nintendo's been in the industry, and that fact that, like Sega, they have a habbit of doing things differently from everyone else, I wouldn't put it passed them!"


I will laugh so hard when that day comes. I will drive up to Seattle, gind J Allard just to point and laugh at him. Then I will fly to Japan and find some Sony exec to point and laugh at. 'Twill be a most joyous occasion.


I've got reasons for all the consoles.
Xbox: Need my Perfect Dark fix, looking forward to those RPGs from the FF gurus, and I've got to get Halo 3 because I know that at least will hold up to a high standard.

PS3: I'm hoping for stable backwards compatibility at least with the big games. Mainly MGS3, FF8-12, and Ico and some others.

Revolution: That's a duh. SSBM Online + it's Nintendo, they always rock.

I keep all my consoles and games in good condition, so even if I can't bunches of top-quality games to justify my purchase I'll be able to at least get some good money for all this stuff when I'm eleventy-one.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2005 21:47 Edited at: 25th Jul 2005 21:49
@ Avan Madisen

Next gen gaming sofar looks to be a rehash of current gaming - and your 'interesting games' sound lame. A FPS and a zombie game?
From everything I've seen so far, sequels on the PS3 or XBOX360 - will just be prettier versions of what we've already got.
Once the novelty wears off, I think people will be horribly disappointed.

The next generation of consoles will have to offer something new for peoples money, or it will fail.


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Posted: 25th Jul 2005 22:15
Revolution because I think that Nintendo will do something useful with the improved hardware + I want to play Pikmin 3 with a limit of 1000 Pikmin on the field at one time.

My guess is that the Revolution's controllers will be lego like. In other words I hope that you will be able to clip together components such as a D-Pad, an analogue stick, SNES 4 buttons in a block, Z-Trigger, a touch screen panel etc into a curvy body. This would allow you to play the classic games with the original controllers but give developers and gamers the freedom to play the game with a perfectly suitable contoller. This is just a guess based on no solid evidence but I think that a console with a controller like this would be a revolution.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2005 22:35
Quote: "The next generation of consoles will have to offer something new for peoples money, or it will fail."


If this were to be the case, then I firmly believe it's quite obvious who will undoubtably the main console next generation.

Unfortunately for progress, Sony and Microsoft are quite happy with how things are. Gamers are willing to follow them because of feeling good that they have the technology behind them.

For many gamers they believe the hype and lies perpetuated by the manufacturers. The Sony Playstation 3 can do 2TFlops the Microsoft X-Box 360 can do 1TFlops. As far as fanatics go, that is just something that sounds awesome, thier console will be THE most powerful on the market.

The currently screenshots and movies seem to also show that the Playstation 3 can achieve better graphics. What this means to developers is quite obvious, Sony are winning the hype-war. This is despite the fact that techncially speaking both consoles are closer in speed than the current generation.

What is more worrying about all of this hype is the fact that people are believing it, because they're feeling good about Sony or Microsoft.

It's sad really, but the Console market is less about making innovative and evolutionary games. It's more about making money.
No longer do the two go hand in hand.

Graphics will sell. I just hope Nintendo have figured this out.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 07:12 Edited at: 26th Jul 2005 07:13
I do agree with Raven to a certain extent, but look at the film and tv industries for an example for how things go. When reality TV first came along a few years ago people loved it, but now it's gone so far that very little of tv isn't reality tv and people are getting sick of it.
Films are also a guide, so many people have said that the recent Star Wars films are just wonderful looking crap films.

Considering this I can see the console industry going in exactly the same direction, people will eventually get sick of playing crap games with wonderful graphics. I'm just glad there are some game developers that realise this and are already concentrating on the quality of the gameplay in the next-gen games rather then taking advantage of all the new graphics, and as far as I know most of these developers seem to be congregating in Nintendo's direction. I could be wrong however.

Yeah, wonderfull graphics sells, for now! But how much longer is that going to be true?

I'm not saying great graphics is a bad thing, but when it's a choice between graphics or gameplay, there's really no choice which I'd prefer, you all can make your own decisions.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 08:56
Very true, hopefully people will get bored of it.
Unfortunately unlike the Film industry, it isn't as widespread yet.

Anyone can pay £5 to go see a film nowadays, anywhere they choose.
For Consoles though, each Console itself is like a brand name... and the well known games have become your acessorising bling.

You can become one of the cool kids, simply by having a Sony Playstation 3 first with Final Fantasy XII. Regardless of if you like it or not, the game is the naggers in gaming circles.

That's how Sony have enveloped such a huge community in such a short amount of time, they've changed gaming from fun. To a life style choice. This hasn't helped with Rappers, Sports Start, and alike providing thier names to these machines giving them that extra street cred.

Personally I hope your right about the graphics. That it is a phase that will pass as gamers get wise, however I very much doubt this'll come before the next console generation.
In the trenches of the fanboys this war isn't just in it's infancy, the bombs started flying back in april and we're soon to get our first hiroshima in November with the X-Box 360.

Typically though, Nintendo are pretending to be the little country. Not going with the crowd and haven't concentrated on the things that will blow the competition away in a literal sense.

Instead they've been working hard at providing what they hope the next generation of games will evolve into. Honestly, I'd say my money would be on Sony and Microsoft dominating for a while.

They still have the big names backing them 100%, and I know damn well they've both got some truely amazing games in development. It is all a whole 'been there done that' affair though.

Though despite the games I've worked on and seen in development, fact remains I'm amped by one game and one games alone.

Spore.

Without a doubt that game is going to change how gamers see the little gaming universe. Definate salute to the coders there.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 10:22 Edited at: 26th Jul 2005 10:23
@Raven
Quote: "Honestly, I'd say my money would be on Sony and Microsoft dominating for a while."
From the Nintendo fanboy himself?

A we wavering a bit?

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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 10:39
the statment is simple economics.

Currently Sony and Microsoft have the largest collection of well known developers who are aiming thier games at 16+ Gamers. It is going to take some very talented companies to in order to shake Nintendo's children image.

The fact that the majority of developers have yet to accounce thier Nintendo Revolution projects, that is provide there are any right now that are by external developers. Just intensifies the publics want for these consoles.

Basically. Sony and Microsoft provide what gamers want right now.
As I said they'll dominate for a while, however if this continues throughout the entire 5year lifetime of these new consoles. That part is debateable.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 10:48
I don't know which one to get. One thing's for sure, though, I'll definetly not get the Xbox 360. I will do everything to make sure that Microsoft HQ goes down in flames. *ahem* Excuse me.

But if the games/consoles get more expensive, I'll ditch consoles and become a computer-only gamer. The prices of games here in sweden are mad. That's why I order my games at places like dvdboxoffice.com instead.

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The day FPSC v 1 is released
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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 11:17
Quote: "One thing's for sure, though, I'll definetly not get the Xbox 360"

But DOA4 is comming out for the XBox 360.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 17:03
Quote: "Graphics will sell. I just hope Nintendo have figured this out."


Movies are enjoyable to watch. Therefore games will be more enjoyable if they are near to being a movie (plus the added fun of gameplay and controlling it yourself). The more movie quality action a developer can get into a game, therefore, the better. However, having movie quality action can't be done easily in real time, so the developers cut corners to make it seem like the player is making their own movie quality action. Cutscenes! Cutscenes split up the action and even though the player only controls boring stuff, they still feel a part of the movie quality stuff due to it occuring in a cutscene. People fear for next-gen gaming that there will be more eye candy and less gameplay, I think the reality will actually be the opposite. Once the consoles are powerful enough to handle movie quality action in real time, developers can give you movie quality gameplay, this should in theory eliminate the need for cutscenes. Since gameplay can now deliver the movie aspect required in games nowadays, there will be no need for eye candy. I think this is the way games are going - eliminating cutscenes and replacing them with similar scenes of gameplay - since Resi 4 took a step in the right direction by making interactive cutscenes (though not true gameplay). A good example is the new Killzone for PS3 (assuming the footage is in-game). Previously this detailed action would have had to remain as a cutscene, keeping the focus on eye candy. Now the action is expected to be in game the focus is not so much on eye candy, but on gameplay and how fun controlling the action is.

Once cutscenes become in game action, people won't care so much about graphics, but the gameplay. Where gaming has slowly shifted onto attention to graphics, I feel it will actually shift back during this generation of consoles. If this is correct, then Nintendo will reclaim the market during this generation, since they aren't going for pushing polygons alone. When games are sold by gameplay again, since gameplay is all there is and cutscenes aren't needed, Nintendo's revolution will have the edge. Graphics will be good everywhere, so dynamic shadows and reflective water that ripples won't even get a glance. People will forget about graphics and suddenly, the good gameplay poor graphics retro games will come in fashion again; which can only be VERY good news for Nintendo.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 22:40 Edited at: 26th Jul 2005 22:56
But here's a question
I know the x-box graphics are cool, but nintendo's graphics are better as well. I mean, I played the first metroid prime, although I didn't like it, I thought the graphics was well done. In fact, On g4's filter it got the 1 spot for best graphics 2003. And don't get me started on Resident Evil 4! So so far Nintendo knows that graphics is one of the things gamers want. It took a while to realize multiplayer is the furture though. So im sure they won't *&^% this time!

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