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Jeku
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 08:16
Quote: "Get over the gas prices, it's called LIFE, prices go UP, prices go DOWN, get used to it."


Do you drive? Do you have a car and buy gas with your own hard earned dollars? These particular gas raises are HIGHER than the rate of inflation due to extreme causes. Use your noggin.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 08:24
Quote: "Do you have a car and buy gas with your own hard earned dollars?"


I can vouch for that fact that he does not.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 08:40
What's up with all the Americans being anti-american here? Every country out there does corrupt things if they can get away with it. If the US got away with $5 billion over 5 years, then Canada must be pretty stupid to not notice until now. It would also have nothing to do with the government (as a whole) or Bush, probably some smart guy doing the actual dealing with Canada noticed the hole in the system and decided to make a nice bonus/profit off of it.
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 09:05
@Torrey - If only it were so simple. Canada cried foul from day one--- 5 years ago! Not until now has it gone through the system and been deemed illegal.

Quote: "then Canada must be pretty stupid to not notice until now"


Yah, because Canada consists of just one person

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 09:09
Quote: "If only it were so simple. Canada cried foul from day one--- 5 years ago! Not until now has it gone through the system and been deemed illegal."


If this is the case, shouldn't you be more upset with whomever controls such things in your country?
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 10:17
Are you not getting it? What part of this don't you understand? The U.S. imposed the tariff. How can somebody from here do anything about it? Do you know anything about trade?

Canada isn't the U.S. (just in case you didn't know).

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 11:05 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2005 11:10
Quote: "Anyways, I sure hope to see some resolution soon."


Sorry Jeku maybe in 2008 when Bush gets kicked out. Unless they find his sister's, brother's, cousin's brother to run for office and get elected or other such non-sense.

And it is correct that most Americans no nothing about this (or most other such taxs). The really sad part is that even if they did there is actually very little we could do about it. As I said before they don't give us anything but crappy candidates to chose from anyway. We always have to pick the lesser of 2 evils instead of the best man for the job ( which would be me ).

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Quote: "What's up with all the Americans being anti-american here?"


Because our government is a joke and there is nothing we can do about it. When is the last time you got to vote/ decide on who should run for president?

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 11:10
Quote: "*cough* Al Qaeda, youstupidfrickinmoron *cough*"


This may be me - but wasn't the taleban in control?

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 11:14 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2005 11:16
Canada could stop exporting this lumber to the US thus pressuring the US to conform to NAFTA. The US does the same thing to other places. Your softwood is 1/3 of our supply, any dip in supply would cause prices to rise and americans to complain, so someone would have to do something about it.

Also in one of your articles,
Quote: "The World Trade Organization has ruled that U.S. duties on imported Canadian softwood are not illegal, a move Ottawa has dismissed."


Other countries also have tariffs on imported goods as well. It's not something that is new to trade.

Quote: "When is the last time you got to vote/ decide on who should run for president?"

I vote in all elections, but it doesn't really make me feel like my vote actually counts for something. In my opinion this government is a democratic dictatorship.
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 11:31
Quote: "Okay, obviously your life will be better if you are wealthy, which you can easily become in America (the land of opportunity)."


you mean the land of oppertunity to live out in the streets because your hopes and dreams of oppertunity were ludicrous? get a grip. america isn't hevean. america isnt th eonly land of oppertunity you know, infact, i wouldnt be surprised if theres a hell load less opertunity in america for immigrants than anywhere else.

Quote: "Every country out there does corrupt things if they can get away with it"

yeh but most of these corrupt countries are corrupt to their own people, no one else.

Quote: "Quote: "*cough* Al Qaeda, youstupidfrickinmoron *cough*"
This may be me - but wasn't the taleban in control?
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yes taliban was in control. al qaeda was the name the US gave to the network of bin laden etc, meaning "the base". every time i mention that i cant help but think "government/CIA conspiracy".

but lets not go there.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 13:37 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2005 13:38
Another thread of complete OTT argumentative babble where nobody is in posession of any real quantity of facts. We always have nice America is crap threads, and left vs right, and religious threads that never achieve anything.

Why don't we all go and make a bloody good game? I would respect all your opinions a lot more if I thought you were here producing good games. After all, that's the whole point of being here, right?

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 14:48
Quote: "which is controlled by a lot of terrorists"

Er, I wouldn't go so far as to call america terrorists.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 15:23 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2005 15:29
Quote: "But that's just your definition of a republican"

@Jimmy: Thats crap and you know it. Tell me, do you find it difficult to back-pedal with your head that far up your *ss? Careful, you may roll backwards down a hill, and off a cliff.

@Jeku, the actual topic doesn't matter its just more of the same from this administration. They have a Slash and Burn mentality and be damned to those who try to oppose

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 15:59
Quote: " What's up with all the Americans being anti-american here?"


Seems to be more anti-american government , NOT anti-american, there is a HUGE difference.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 18:17
Oh wow ion just like a republican to attack someones grammer yes i have poor grammer and you know what....i don't give a ****ing damn about it eaither. But you see thats just me if i wanted to use grammer over the internet i would but you know what? I choose not too the only things i use over the net are questionmarks and periods. Thats it buddie.

Quote: "I don't think I even need to argue this, but in short, the government can NOT do whatever they want to us. It just means that you have less privacy, and in war times, thats the best you could hope for. Next:"


Actually they can you should read the home lan(d) security act sometime did you know all they need to do is say your a possible terrorist and then get a "secret" warrent and search your home while your gone and the best part about it is that they don't have to tell you squat. This is just abuse of power if you ask me. Oh yeah and there are things called "secret" warrents look it up. Its true and the government uses it.

Quote: " again, senate approvied of it, and John Kerry himself voted FOR it. so...and it wasnt really a stretch, he needed to be removed, that man was a criminal, and no man should have the power he did with a mind like his. It's the whole hitler thing, yeah Sadam had a long way to go before he did anything like hitler did, but if someone would've stopped hitler while he was still doing his evil deeds locally (like sadam was, but hitler also didnt have the power to have Weapons of Mass Dest.) there would be a lot more happy Jews in this world, we really can't let something like that happen again.
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Uhh he didnt have the power for WMD's nor did he have ANY.

But now this is a flamebait =)

Oh yeah i don't own a car eaither =) so i could care less about gas prices but i hear it from my GF all the time and i do think 3$ a gal. is alot.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 18:18
Quote: "What's up with all the Americans being anti-american here?"


Dunno - is it a crime for Americans to be anti-US?

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 18:21
I certainly understand the people that dislike this country (sometimes I think the same or worse), but I wish there was more pride for ones country like there used to be.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 18:25
Quote: "Dunno - is it a crime for Americans to be anti-US?"


heheh anti-US according to bush it is.

Quote: "I certainly understand the people that dislike this country (sometimes I think the same or worse), but I wish there was more pride for ones country like there used to be.
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There used to be until the government started doing dumb things

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Quote: "I certainly understand the people that dislike this country (sometimes I think the same or worse), but I wish there was more pride for ones country like there used to be."


I suppose the problem is that the country has been polarised with democrats v republicans, and since the last two elections have been so close there's always going to be about half the country is always going to be unhappy.

Most of the people I see on the net seem to be anti Bush, don't know why that is.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 18:58 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2005 18:59
Quote: "Most of the people I see on the net seem to be anti Bush, don't know why that is."

im anti-Bush but i was also anti-Kerry. Im not a democrat nor a republican, I just know stupid stuff when I see it. If someone comes along and starts doing things that I think is good, I will vote for them no matter which party they are with.

However, I believe the reason most "net" people are anit-Bush is because they are always on the net and have time to do some research and notice a few things that the average person is oblivious to.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 20:53
Quote: "@Jimmy: Thats crap and you know it. Tell me, do you find it difficult to back-pedal with your head that far up your *ss? Careful, you may roll backwards down a hill, and off a cliff."


Back-pedaling? I wasn't back-pedaling. I was stating a another fact, not justifying what I had said earlier.

Now this:

Quote: "@Jeku, the actual topic doesn't matter its just more of the same from this administration. They have a Slash and Burn mentality and be damned to those who try to oppose"


This is back-pedaling ^^^

Oh, and I especially liked the 'more of the same' part. You are right. It is more of the same.

Liberals: Crying, whining, sitting on their hands and pouting
Conservatives: Taking action and doing their jobs, while fighting off the flaming liberals

Quote: "Quote: "*cough* Al Qaeda, youstupidfrickinmoron *cough*"

This may be me - but wasn't the taleban in control?"


Yeah, slap a youstupidfrickinmoron sticker on ME.

Look, TheIndy, now we're a club! And we took a vote and you've been kicked out. You can't even cut it for the youstupidfrickinmoron club.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 21:29
Quote: "Dunno - is it a crime for Americans to be anti-US?"


When an American burns an American flag it is.

David T and TheIndy, It's not just the internet that's anti-Bush. Almost all forms of media in America are anti-Bush... and that's only because most people in the media are Democrats. 90% of all the actors/comedians are Democrats too... so practically every show in America is anti-Bush.

It's the same with our medias coverage of Israel... because most in the media are Democrat their also anti-Israel. So we basically only see news stories where Palestinian women and children are crying because some evil Israeli is hurting their father. They don't mention anything about how their father is being taken away because he's planning on straping a bomb to his little girl to kill as many Israelis as she can. The media is always good at swaying the masses to think any way they want.

Of course I don't expect anybody that's anti-Bush to be pro-Israel... so i'm probably just flapping my gums.
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 21:31
Quote: "Most of the people I see on the net seem to be anti Bush, don't know why that is."

I wonder.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 21:39 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2005 21:39
So I take it we aren't bombing the UK then?


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Quote: "Most of the people I see on the net seem to be anti Bush, don't know why that is."


It's because they're uninformed twits who rely on Joe Nobody's blog for their news source rather than practicing their own right and, in some cases, ability to form their own opinions.

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Quote: "Most of the people I see on the net seem to be anti Bush, don't know why that is."



Most of the people on the Internet are atheist, and therefore democratic and vicious against people who are not atheist.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 22:35
Has anyone ever heard of the old saying "absolute power corrupts absolutely"?

Our government is lacking balance. Doesn't matter who's in power, if one party dominates all facets of the government, there is bound to be issues.

@ Jimmy
So are all of the anti-bush people uninformed twits? Sounds a little ignorant.

@ Grog
Almost all forms of media are anti-bush?!? How did you arrive to this conclusion....do you not have cable tv or have a radio in your car?
Crappy tv shows like Will & Grace do not count as anti-bush just because they have gays in the show. The fact is that the majority of the media outlets who give the important information involving our government are aligned with the republican party (Fox New, MSN etc).

To criticize ones leadership is not anti-american or "unpatriotic", as our current leaders would like you to believe. It is what this country was founded upon. Check your declaration of independance. If there are wrongs being done, we have a responsibility as the people being governed, to bring them to light.

Stop the party argument crap, just unite against bs that we are being fed by those who are supposed to "REPRESENT THE PEOPLE". You'd be a fool if you believe our current administration is doing a good job. We are going to be paying for the damage that this administration is doing for years.

God this is depressing

PS- On topic....I don't know about canada's lumber situation with us but why are you canucks paying tariff's if you shouldnt have to? (Please inform me, I am clueless in this topic)
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 22:42
Quote: "Almost all forms of media are anti-bush?!? How did you arrive to this conclusion....do you not have cable tv or have a radio in your car? "


Almost means greater than 75%. Sure theres Republican radio and TV, but the majority of the mainstream media is Democratic (anti-bush).

Quote: "The fact is that the majority of the media outlets who give the important information involving our government are aligned with the republican party (Fox New, MSN etc)."


That is very wrong, please do research before you say things like this.

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If you say I am wrong give examples please
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Quote: "Oh yeah i don't own a car eaither =) so i could care less about gas prices but i hear it from my GF all the time and i do think 3$ a gal. is alot."


yeh well maybe if you americans started using cars that dont guzzle gas by the load...

Quote: "Quote: "Most of the people I see on the net seem to be anti Bush, don't know why that is."

It's because they're uninformed twits who rely on Joe Nobody's blog for their news source rather than practicing their own right and, in some cases, ability to form their own opinions."


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So are all of the anti-bush people uninformed twits? Sounds a little ignorant. "


ignorant? more like arrogant. maybe jimmy should be shipped off to spend some time in iraq/afghanistan/palestine and see the world for what it is, not for what fox shows it to be.

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Quote: "Most of the people on the Internet are atheist, and therefore democratic and vicious against people who are not atheist.
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Where in the hell did this stereotype come from? I rarely ever see an Athiest "vicious" against someone who is not. If anything, there are many more "Christian" people who try to convert those who are Atheist.

How often do you honestly see an Atheist missionary? Anyway, since this is not a religious debate I will end here.

Quote: "spend some time in iraq/afghanistan/palestine and see the world for what it is, not for what fox shows it to be."

Fox News is very funny programming.

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@Ion
Where are my examples?

Here's one maybe:

The Daily Show with Jon Stewart on comedy central is sort a liberal show. He's a little more green party....doesn't really side with either. Has a great bs-detector though

Can you name me any other show dealing with politics that is considered liberal??

The answer to that is "probably not"
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Quote: "Where in the hell did this stereotype come from? I rarely ever see an Athiest "vicious" against someone who is not. If anything, there are many more "Christian" people who try to convert those who are Atheist.

How often do you honestly see an Atheist missionary? Anyway, since this is not a religious debate I will end here.
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you clearly havent been in these forums long enough... infact, you havent been in real life long enough either. something tells me your not even religeous... or else you'd probably know a thing or 2 about athiests against religeous folk...

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Quote: "you clearly havent been in these forums long enough... infact, you havent been in real life long enough either. something tells me your not even religeous... or else you'd probably know a thing or 2 about athiests against religeous folk..."

No, I am not religious. But in my 18 years of existance, I rarely have ever seen an Atheist in the attack about a non-Atheist unless sparked by some other relating topic. But I have seen a non-Athiest against and Athiest ALOT of times.

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Quote: "Almost all forms of media are anti-bush?!? How did you arrive to this conclusion....do you not have cable tv or have a radio in your car? "


Well... all forms of media are anti-Bush. The number of anti-Bush channels/stations are much greater than that of pro-Bush channels/stations.

Quote: "Crappy tv shows like Will & Grace do not count as anti-bush just because they have gays in the show. The fact is that the majority of the media outlets who give the important information involving our government are aligned with the republican party (Fox New, MSN etc). "


I seriously doubt the mainstream media is pro-Bush. The only reason why they support the war on terrorism is because most newscasters LOVE stories about death and destruction... but only to help their career.

Quote: "To criticize ones leadership is not anti-american or "unpatriotic", as our current leaders would like you to believe. It is what this country was founded upon. Check your declaration of independance. If there are wrongs being done, we have a responsibility as the people being governed, to bring them to light."


Of course you're right. Talking about the current leadership is not anti-American. What is anti-American is when news casters only show one side of a story to sway the people to believe the way they do. I watch a lot of comedians. What's interesting is that most of the comedians make fun of Bush being stupid... and that's what people call him here. Is he really stupid or has the media swayed the masses to believe he is?

Quote: "Stop the party argument crap, just unite against bs that we are being fed by those who are supposed to "REPRESENT THE PEOPLE". You'd be a fool if you believe our current administration is doing a good job. We are going to be paying for the damage that this administration is doing for years."


If you want to make everybody happy... don't be a politician. Because our country is separated by two parties... simply being a Republican in office makes Democrats instantly hate them and vice versa. No matter who is in office... somebody will always complain and blame the current problems on the current president.

The whole system is BS... especially when voting for the president. An electorial college in my opinion just makes it easier to bribe people (vs having to bribe all of America). But even though I think the system is flawed I support Bush 100%.
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Quote: "Liberals: Crying, whining, sitting on their hands and pouting
Conservatives: Taking action and doing their jobs, while fighting off the flaming liberals"


@Jimmy
rofl...

Democrats: nearly $6.0 TRILLION surplus
(then bush gets *cough* elected 2000)
Republicans: nearly $8.0 TRILLION defecit to date - yeah, now thats "taking action"! Yee haw, eh heh eh heh.

and thats just ONE FACT. When you want to actually discuss fact instead of ditto-head talking points, or meaningless labels, etc etc, I'd be happy to.

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Quote: "@ Jimmy
So are all of the anti-bush people uninformed twits? Sounds a little ignorant."


All anti-bush people on the internet who get their information from the internet.

Nice try though. However, I am sorry you had to waste your energy looking like a complete moron.

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Quote: "(then bush gets *cough* elected 2000)
Republicans: nearly $8.0 TRILLION defecit to date - yeah, now thats "taking action"! Yee haw, eh heh eh heh.
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Whine whine, cry cry.

DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 23:56 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2005 00:01
ok, that makes no sense...

I present you with one fact regarding the nice $8 trillion defecit ala Bush and your reply is "do something about it?"

its true then, "shut em down with fact"

nice

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Quote: "I don't know about canada's lumber situation with us but why are you canucks paying tariff's if you shouldnt have to? (Please inform me, I am clueless in this topic)"


Unfortunately Canada depends on the U.S. with trade, so we could do nothing but pay the tariffs, hoping that in the end when it was brought through the justice system that we would prevail in the end. We did, but now the U.S. is basically giving us the middle finger. To make matters worse, our prime minister is too busy pleasing the east side of Canada than helping us out in B.C.

Come election time next spring, the only votes that count are Quebec and Ontario due to the amount of people living there as opposed to the entire west side of Canada. Unfortunate but that's how it is.

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Quote: "its true then, "shut em down with fact""


The president can't stop a recession.

The president can't stop the WTC buildings from going down.

How about those facts? Cause and effect, my friend. Something happens and the inevitable happens afterward. Action has to be taken, no matter the cost. Cost? Screw cost, I like to say.

All you do is moan about Bush and his administration and avoid the current issues. I mean, you still can't get over the elections. Holy crap man, you're supposed to be trying to disprove my point.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 00:24 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2005 00:25
I already have. Its you being a good neocon trying to imply that I'm saying wtc falling is bush's fault, or whatever else, which you know I am not. It's your spin to divert from the cold hard facts. I supported Bush going to war in Afganistan(sp), but Not Iraq. There's a cause and effect for everything. Some things are preventable some arent. BTW an 8 trillion dollar defecit isnt a recession, its tax cuts for the richest 1% of americans, its illegal wars in oil rich countries.

Hate to tell you however, that group up there you support...they dont want you. Youre not their kind.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 00:28
I am a athesit republican and these are my ideas:

@Jimmy: I agree. Did you see how much the stocks fell after 9/11?
@Grog Grueslayer: All of the media (except for Talk Radio) is liberal. It is as simple as that.
@TheIndy: Both atheist, and conservatives try and convert each other. Humans want others to agree with them; so they try and convince them that they are right. Both sides do this equally.

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Coding Fodder
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 01:23
One Moment... The tech stock Bubble popped at a time when we were spending too much. I really don't give politicians too much credit or blame for the economy. I do Believe that Bush is honestly trying to do his very best with the info he has. Mistakes have been made (no weapons of mass destruction) and we have paid. (+87 bil dollars). I don't fault people for not being perfect, only for not trying.

Aside from that... About the deforestation in B.C. er.. I mean illegal tariffs. I am going to assume that they are indeed illegal. (I am too lazy to research it and I have found Jeku to be an upstanding citizen of the planet so far.)

From my understanding NAFTA is an accronym for North American Free Trade Agreement. In the case that lumber trade is NOT free, I hardily appologize for my country officials in the capacity that I can. (which is to say not at all) While monetary compensation may be in order I would think we could at least lift the tariff and let BC get back to business. (and I am not just saying that because I would like to build a house soon).

Now if we could just get the E.U. to stop subsidizing Airbus......

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Jimmy
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 02:27
Quote: "Hate to tell you however, that group up there you support...they dont want you. Youre not their kind."


I support nothing but common sense. Just so happens a lot of non-cattlerustler ideals fall under that category.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 02:49
Quote: "All anti-bush people on the internet who get their information from the internet."


As opposed to neocons who get their information from Fox News?

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 02:54
I skipped all of this thread. Bummer. But I needed to say something.

Any other contries helping out the US with Hurricane Katrina?
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 03:00
Quote: "As opposed to neocons who get their information from Fox News?"


Sure? I don't get Fox News so I wouldn't be able to tell you.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 03:00
Canadians have donated millions to help the relief in the U.S. south. The government has pledged their own amount as well (in the billions I believe), and are sending in troops to help as well. I support the U.S. if they wait to pay us back the money they owe, until after they get their people fed.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 03:01
I watch ABC, KCAL-9, and Fox news, its all the same.

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