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Jess T
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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 20:08
I just bought myself a DS today!

It's great fun

Came with two little pens, the rechargable Battery, its charger, and a wrist band that doubles as a thumb strap to use on the touch screen.

Since it didn't come with a game, I nabbed Super Mario 64 DS for it, and have given that a little bash thisafternoon.

It's very inventive the things that you can do with it! I love using the thumb strap to control the character... Kind of like a free-moving analogue stick.

I'm going browse around the net and see what I can find for the little sucker to enhance it

Yay!

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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 20:33
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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 20:42
Personally, I wouldn't go with either of them, as I like systems the user can code for. PSP and the DS both have an anti-homebrew thing going on.
That and everything is too expensive for the two.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 20:43
Yeah. If I were to get any, the PSP would do. Compared to the DS, it's much more then just a system where you play your wacky childhood Mario games. You can actually develop and watch stuff on the PSP.


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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 20:47
Jess--- Good choice! I've had a DS for a few months and I play it every day! I only have two games for it, Mario 64 and Meteos.

Drop everything and purchase Meteos! Seriously, it's the most addicting and challenging game I've played in years. If you're looking for something you can pick up and play for 5 minutes to 2 hours, then Meteos is the best choice.

All the reviews of it are good. The music is phenomenal--- even the intro is outstanding. Plus you can send the game to your friends with only one copy and play multiplayer if that's your thing.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 21:09
I think both systems are pretty neato. No reason to disgard either. But, me, I went with the PSP for the other medias. Now they just need to go public with their blasted UMD technology so I can copy legal things onto them. Like bunnies!

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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 21:13
i personally think i would go for the PSP...has much more going for it

but i would really like to get my hands on that Mario64 remake thingy and play some of that, i LOVE mario64

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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 22:04
You guys should get Advance Wars: Dual Strike! I have that game, and its awesome! Its a turn-based strategy game! IGN gave it a high score.

That game will last a long time.

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I have one of the first ds to ship and still have yet to buy a game

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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 22:12
why?
give it to me!!

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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 22:26 Edited at: 1st Sep 2005 22:27
Quote: " I just bought myself a DS today!"


I snapped up a pre-owned one (in good condition!) a couple of days ago, along with Mario DS.

I think an analog stick would have been a very useful addition to the DS, but apart from that the system is very good. Super Mario 64 was a huge game and with the additional levels and minigames, it will take me a good while to fully complete. Most incredibly, the original SM64 cartridge was only 6MB! - Code, textures, sound, meshes, worlds, the lot.

I considered a PSP, but I would be paying for an MP3 player which I already have (iPod Mini), and I couldn't run any of my existing games on it.


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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 22:58
The only thing I don't like about the DS is its lack of backwards compatability with original Gameboy games. I have my music sequencer that I can't fit into the DS

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i think they were trying to get away from that, but it kinda failed, maybe that's why they're releacing the micro

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 03:19
Quote: "The only thing I don't like about the DS is its lack of backwards compatability with original Gameboy games."


Theres a fairly simple way around this, get a rom cart for gba download a gb to gba emulator, and emulate the gameboy game on the ds through the gba slot.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 03:37
With games like Puyo Pop Fever and Meteos along with Nanostray who needs Backwards compatibility?

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 06:05
There's two reasons I went the DS over the PSP...

One is that I already own a GBA, GBColour, and an original Game Boy ( I just like Nintendo hand-helds ), and from what I've heard, it's compatable with my GBA games

The second is that the PSP is more of a multimedia hand-held. I don't want that.
The designers threw in everything they could think of to make it the most verstatile little thing around... But, all I want is to play games on it, I don't want to watch DVDs while I'm out walking, or on the bus, especially not when I can watch them on a bigger screen with surround sound at home! ... and so on.


I like the DS, 'tis very original which is great! Nintendo always have my vote for the hand-held market, no questions asked.

Jeku, I'll have a look at Meteos, thanks for the suggestion
For now, though, Super Mario will keep me occupied for quite some time ( I never played the original on the 64, so it's all new to me ).

Now to go and find out what goodies I can get for it.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 06:49
@Jeku: I've tried a mockup of Meteos done in Flash... have to spend too much time waiting >_< Then again, I've also tried a Lumines mockup. It pwns.

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The PSP has a hack which lets u surf the internet at hotspots!!!!
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 07:10
Quote: "@Jeku: I've tried a mockup of Meteos done in Flash... have to spend too much time waiting >_< Then again, I've also tried a Lumines mockup. It pwns."


Waiting for it to download, or waiting for the blocks to fall in-game? If it's the latter, then you just hold L-Shift or R-Shift on the DS and it speeds the blocks up. This is required to get a high score

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Quote: "The PSP has a hack which lets u surf the internet at hotspots!!!! "


What in the world are you talking about? The official 2.0 update for the PSP adds a web-browser to the PSP allowing it to go online on a wireless network. (or hotspots as you call them)



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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 07:22 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2005 07:30
@alex: That's not enough reason to buy the damned machine. Expensive... I'd rather buy a wi-fi card for my PPC.

Lumines is the only game on any handheld that I want right now. Love love Lumines...

Is it true that there's a DS game where you control a sail boat by blowing on the screen or something?

@Jeku: It's still too random, with blocks falling all over the place where you don't want it to. But since it's not a Tetris clone, I can't expect it to have similar gameplay. Have you tried any of the Lumines clones?

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 07:54
Lumines mock-up in flash? Linkage! I freaking love lumines, just can't always play it (my friends PSP ).

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 08:08 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2005 08:48
Hijack!

The first Lumines mockup I played was in Java. But this is the best so far...

http://acm.tongji.edu.cn/people/kaikai/lumines.php

You're an anime d00d so you should have no problem with navigating these sites ^_^ Sounds don't work on the executable-only download (don't know why). The one that includes source has the executable buried somewhere inside, with working sounds, but for some reason the sounds slow down my PC.

[edit] Sounds don't slow down my PC anymore ^_^ But the combo announcer... ughh... It loops the same background music, but it's catchy enough. Also, it doesn't seem to sync with the timeline.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 09:15 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2005 09:29
W00t, that is freaking awesome. I now, NEVER, need to leave my computer... well, other then to get soda and cake and such.

Edit: Between this Lumines mock-up, and Fable: The Lost Chapters, I can find no reason that I must leave my seating apparatus, nor the glowy illumination of monitor. I feel I have finally reached a point of gaming zen, where I am actually pleased with what I am playing, and there is nothing I can bitch about.

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Thanks for the link JessicaT.

I just tried Lumines out for my first time and really enjoyed it, my score for the first time playing is Score 30716/Time 956/Level 9, Deleted 269, no idea if that's very good or not.

Thanks again



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Level 105, Score: 419857, Deleted: 2983. And I'm not done yet But I don't think it's comparable to the scores on the PSP. The system probably works differently.

I have a feeling the level isn't affecting the speed of the blocks.

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Is there a hack or anyway to get an internet browser on a ds to surf the web at hotspots?
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 20:28 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2005 20:34
If I said, "obviously yes," will you quit bragging about it?

http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/DS_Internet_Compatible_6047_0_19.htm

Maybe not, as of yet, but technologically it is capable. After all, it has wifi and a stylus. It might even surpass the PSP in that area because the touchscreen can be used as a SIP, like in a PDA.

Problem is, Nintendo's not supporting it. Also, the DS homebrew community hasn't worked out the wifi stuff yet. But here's proof that they want to get it done:

http://sc.tri-bit.com/dswfb

Someone just has to hack that portion of the DS. The rest is trivial stuff. I think after someone figures it out, it won't be a month before DS people can boast better wifi capabilities than PSP. Add a DS mic, and Skype will be running on that thing.

http://www.double.co.nz/nintendo_ds/

These guys won't be backed down by the PSP.

[edit] SIP is a PDA term meaning Soft Input Panel. Basically an onscreen keyboard for the touchscreen.

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Ahhh to much work. To tell u the truth, even though a PSP is much more exoensive, I must say that I like it more than a DS. The DS was just made to compete with the PSP. Nintendo put everything that they thought would be cool into a device. It plays games (great), it has a touchscreen (horrible and very sensitive, breaks easily), and also has wifi capabilities (even though like 2 games actually use it). I am just sticking to my SP (that is great)0

Overall, my opinion is that nintendo does not now how to get the eyes of the market. When the new box thing is released (again to "try" and compete with Playstation and Microsoft) it will basically be like the gamecube with some enhacements just like gba advanced to sp and sp to ds. Nintendo's CEO told the public that the new machine had internet multiplayer support but no ethernet. He said that it would have to use WiFi and that any house that doesn't have WiFi is stupid. Well nintendo, u r the one that is "stupid."

I hope no one is offended about what I say. This is just my opinion.
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I don't know. I had a bad feeling about Sony's PSP marketing strategy when I read about a keyboard accessory for the PSP. Either way, both systems have their flaws that their owners would not like to admit. IMO the two companies, in many different ways, are marketing the wrong things.

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i had a ds from the day it launched and also have an xbox and n64. This is a strange match-up, but i reaaly enjoy it because i am able to play many different types of games. But the part i like the mot about the ds is innovation. The innovation in gameplay is amazing, and the possibilities are virtually endless. But....if the psp had also launched wit a touch screen(doubtful) i woulda went that way.

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Sweet. On our band trip to New York one of the trombones bought a DS, came out the day before we left, and he brought it on the plane. It was the coolest thing. We all thought what the acronym was supposed to stand for (developer system or dual screen) was pretty lame so we call it the Dream Sphere. Mario 64 multiplayer is not really deep, but a lot of fun, especially beating people up to get their stars.


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There are a whole bunch of games in WarioWare Touched that have you blow as the controls. Really easy but neat! (btw, warioware touched is a really innovative game using all the new stuff, but i beat the whole thing in under an hour, so rent it or borrow it I'd say)
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I dunno, i think Sony has been fairly decent with the marketing of the PSP.

The one single thing that they've been a little behind on their word is the game selection. By now there should've been many more games on the shelves for the station, as far as media capabilities such as video usage, music and photo.. I think they've done a decent job at marketing it as a -full package-, media device and game station.

As far as the keyboard goes, i dont think it's the greatest thing, but it's definately not the worst.. It could help alot, and i'm sure a lot of college students could use it to quickly access their email or chat on instant messaging programs during lunch breaks.

What i want in the future of the PSP is...:

UMD Dictionary, UMD Thesaurus, UMD Translator, UMD Encyclopedia, UMD Maps etc.
Video: format support including AVI, streaming video option
Additional web browser support: Enhanced Flash/Java support
Web browser saving cache to memory stick instead of internal memory

And a few other ideas that probably wouldnt be quite as popular on these forums.



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I think the reason the psp has so many differant features is so they can get to a bigger audience and sell a lot more. SONY JUST WANTS YOUR MONEY.
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DS uses its WiFi a lot. Plus Since Nintendo does support it. Mario Kart,Metroid,Tony Hawk,BomberMan and some others will all have online support. In fact there is a game all ready out where you can submit your high score through the nintendo DS to the internet. I don't know why people think the touch screen is bad. It works fine and nice and easy and it won't break unless you want it to break(pretty much you have to try).
What I want to know is why people care they have a lame web browser in a console. Just use a computer. Its better plus typing is better and they support the flash and java plugins.
My friend had a PSP. No good games came out for it. So he returned it. PSP is too expensive. Not sure why people would spend that much money for that system.

Maybe I don't care for PSP that much because I am more of a Gamer and not much of a gadget freak to care what PSP supports.

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Quote: "Maybe I don't care for PSP that much because I am more of a Gamer and not much of a gadget freak to care what PSP supports."


Hear hear! If I want some neat thing, I'll code it myself with my cross-compiling GCC port and a flash cartridge. Yes, I own a DS. No, I haven't got round to downloading a DS-targeting GCC port yet.

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The best Handhelds full stop are the GP32 blus imho because you can litterlaly put whatever you want on them with standard memory cards. Ie you can rip a DVD on your pc then play it on your gp32, no need to buy a separate UMD. People have written emulators for it and released all kinds of software, media players, dos games (duke3d, quake, sam & max!)

I like the psp & the ds but I don't think I'll buy either yet.

The DS version of Mario is killing me because Mario64 is one of my favourite games ever, and the ds version has so many cool extras I just want to play it through and finish it 101%. Trouble is I find the controls no where near as intuitive as the n64 version, and thus can't fully get into it Wario ware touched and nintendogs are prett damned kewl tho

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Didn't like that DS, it's just soooo...I dunno..just.....crap

Get PSP, play music, movies, better graphics, and it's online compatable.

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People who say the DS is "crap" haven't played the good games on the system. Play Meteos then tell me it's crap. And I've never heard of the touchscreen having issues, either.

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psp has games like wipeout and gta can play films store photos and lots more

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No kidding. We already know that. But wipeout and gta are not the only games worth playing.

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The PSP & DS are completely different machines aimed at different markets so imo there's not much point comparing them.

The PSP can handle far more impressive graphics than the DS, its roughly like a lower res PS2. The games available for it are similar to PS2 games, and it will have a lot of conversions of these 'Proper' / 'serious' games. However, we aren't going to see any surprises.

With the DS Nintendo are trying to do something different. It didn't want to be a portable gamecube, they said from the start they wanted something different, that could offer playing experiences that people couldn't have with home consoles, hense their experiements recently with controlling the games through touch, voice, light and movement, not to mention the extra possibilities cause by having two screens.

For my money, the DS hasn't done anything so revoultionary to make me stand up and go 'wow' thats different AND BETTER. Unfortunately weird control systems are in my opinion faddy and short lived. I've seen Bongos, Dancemats, Fishing Rods, Eyetoy, and all kinds of other control methods come and go, and none of them are going to go down in history as changing gaming for good. However I'm all for originality and if Nintendo want to experiement till they find something worth using, thats fine by me. As soon as they find something worth sticking with, Sony will follow suit anyway - Nintendo were the first company to popularise Analogue Control, Vibrating force feedback pads, and in earlier generations did the same with memory cards, light guns, shoulder buttons and dpads. All of which people criticised at the time.

Nintendo are experimenting, and it may well be a failed experiemnt in the long run, we'll have to wait and see. But as far as I can see the PSP is nothing but a portable PS2 (hense the name) and personally I don't feel the long play times of GTA or the hyper sensitive controls of wipEout are suitable for a quick ten minute bus ride, and are much more suited to playing at home. Not exactly portable games, the most sucessful portable games are easily understandable, simple to pick up and put down when needed, and not requiring 100% of your attention (Don't want to miss the bus, or get run over in the street!)

Of course in the technical and conventional sense of the word, the PSP is capabale of far better games. I'm just not sure thats the best idea for a portable system, and would rather they concentrated on releasing some real AAA titles for PS3 instead, and not have a repeat of the PS2s initial launch (It was only when GT3 was released that I bought one, and not till GTA3 that I recommmended others did!)

Unfortunately it is an ill informed idea that only the PSP can play films, music files, pictures etc, the DS is more than capable of doing so from the off, as were the GBA & SP, there are plenty of official and unofficial spericals to choose from that use flash memory in a startad size GBA cartridge on which you can put whatever you wish.

Also in america you can buy many 'videocartridges' for the GBA / DS including mostly kids and teen shows such as Spongebob Squarepants episodes or Hilary Duff music videos, equally as pointless and overpriced as Sonys UMD movies

I don't think its wise to compare the DS and PSP at all, both entirely different beasts which play very different games neither of which would owrk on the other. TRy releasing Nintendogs or Warioware touched on the PSP? Wouldn't work. [sarcastic voice] And a decent Ridge Racer on the DS is so technically impossible that they wouldn't even bother trying. [/sarcastic voice] Oh wait, they did, and it was awful.

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Quote: "People who say the DS is "crap" haven't played the good games on the system. Play Meteos then tell me it's crap"


Played It. Crap And Boring.

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No, not its not. Meteos is a genious puzzle game. But it is completly crushed by Advancded Wars Dual Strike!

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Dual strike is awesome, i had to go to 5 different stores to find it the 3rd day after it launched.

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Quote: "Played It. Crap And Boring."


Whatever. Then you are the 1 out of 100 that didn't enjoy the game. You win a cookie.

Quote: " No, not its not. Meteos is a genious puzzle game. But it is completly crushed by Advancded Wars Dual Strike!"


Hard to compare the two, though. It's like saying Doom 3 is better than Command and Conquer Generals.

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Posted: 9th Sep 2005 07:43
Wow, I wish I had a DS. Developers tend to make games that take advantage of "standard issue" features in the hardware, like the DS's touch screen, microphone, and wifi. The DS isn't just a powered up GBA, it has lots more functionality dedicated for playing games, this will make developers more creative. The graphics of the NDS may not be on par with some other handhelds, but it's obviuosly better than the the GBA's. In Japan there is hardware I'm not sure if it's a cartridge or an attachment but it allows the GBA to play some media files, I think it's also compaitble with the DS. It's called play-yan I think.

My only problem with the DS is that it can only play GBA agme in single player mode, and that's not good since many GBA games has a lot of good linking options (ie pokemon games). The DS is also not compatiblw with legcay Gameboy and Gameboy Color game dues to the lcak of a Z80 processor (used by GB and GBA and exists in the GBA). The DS is also more expensice than the GBA SP or GBA. That's probable why the GBA and it's SP variant are still king of handhelds, bt I'm sure the DS wil catch up.

System: AMD Athlon XP 2200+, nForce 2 ultra 400, 256 MB PC-2700 RAM, 40 GB 7200 Hard Drive, Geforce FX 5200 128 MB (64-bit), 56K modem

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