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Benjamin
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Quote: " Well they didn't build it yesterday."

LIES. ALL LIES. Where did you get that piece of information??

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Quote: "You telling us the Bush administration was the first presidential administration to hear about this? Cram it up your cow hole, CR. "


ummm, no, but you already know that as well. This has been an ongoing issue for a long long time. All the more to my point, it was funded thru many administrations, until of course, this one.

pwnt. stop trying.

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Probably should have posted this link here instead of the other thread. My bad. Preparedness.
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 06:24
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Quote: "it was funded thru many administrations, until of course, this one."

incorrect. The clinton administration turned down a proposed 250 million dollar deal to reinforce the levys, the exact same one the bush one did. It is no one particular person, administration, or group that screwed up here. It was a collabrative effort

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 06:30 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2005 06:36
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This is pathetic... There are armed gangs setting up sniper posts shooting down police officers trying to stop the looting, rape and murder that's going on in the city unabated. The national guard is there to save innocent lives, the people they are shooting are murderers who are taking advantage of the horror in the city right now for their own personal gain. Shoot to kill is the best, the only policy to use in this situation.

I have nothing but disdain for people who put using this tragedy to score more 'points' at Bush for their pathetic partisan agendas ahead of donating money to the relief funds. It's blatantly obvious that the government's slow reaction was the fault of the requisite red tape and a faulty disaster response system; there was no single failure anywhere that highlights this. Congress, Bush and the PDs were all just as slow to react to the situation; Bush signed the relief funds bill as soon as it reached his office. There is no realistic basis for trying to blame this on him. It's a natural disaster. It's time to put away the blamethrowers and help. But I guess some people come with their soapboxes glued to their feet. Bah.

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Quote: "There are armed gangs setting up sniper posts shooting down police officers trying to stop the looting"

Where did you hear this?

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 06:42
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Very well said Ian T

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Quote: "incorrect. The clinton administration turned down a proposed 250 million dollar deal to reinforce the levys, the exact same one the bush one did. It is no one particular person, administration, or group that screwed up here. It was a collabrative effort"


pwnt. stop trying.


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Quote: "Yep, Bush has ordered that everyone in New Orleans be killed. Using scare tactics to keep the peace just isn't an option. I believe the direct quote by Bush was, "Kill'em all, those dirty cajuns."

Seriously, how the crap do you guys even tie your shoes in the morning? This has to be one of the most flagrant displays of complete ignorance I've ever seen on this forum.

Let's pretend, for a moment, that you all have fully functioning brains. Ok, now you should understand the situation down there. You understand that it's going to be days before they can get everyone out of there. You understand that government and private agencies are working around the clock to ensure a quick, safe and clean evacuation. You understand that a 'shoot to kill' order is necessary to quell civil unrest, whether it is actually enforced or not.

What happened down there was and is terrible, but naive attitudes like yours are what caused this order in the first place. There are a lot of angry and tired people down there and some of them are carrying firearms, so this intimidation is, again, necessary. But you don't see that. Nope. You see Bush ordering the deaths of thousands of innocent people, while sitting on this throne of golden jelly.

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Now you see if this woulda happend on his first term he would never have ordered "shoot to kill" there are less leathal ways of stopping looters. IE tear gas! No reason to turn our own weapons on US citizens when we have other options you know they have tear gas gernade launhers right?

I could understand the armed forces protecting themselfs against 7 or more armed people but whos to say that they arnt shooting at people that are or arnt armed right now. The fact is JIMMY that your only what 16? 15? something like that? politics is a dirty business and i personally think that politics is taken way to far but hey thats the world. Everyone has a diffrent out look on life and a diffrent preception of what they read and hear.

So before you go off on your high horse calling everyone idiots maybe you should learn a thing or two?

Quote: "Uhh thats not true. Police were sent to New Orleans to "KEEP THE PEOPLE FROM RIOTING" if u read the news!!!! Even though I dont blame them, people there are walking around with shotguns raiding into stores and taking food, electronics, and other appliances. "


Gamemaker if you read the news it says clearly National guard they are not police....



For personal refrence

Quote: "Lt. Gen. Steven Blum, chief of National Guard, said that by Saturday night, he said there will be 7,000 National Guard soldiers in New Orleans. He said half of them had just returned from assignments overseas and are ``highly proficient in the use of lethal force.'' He pledged to put down the violence ``in a quick and efficient manner.''
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Now you see what the problem is although the article i read does say alot more good things then bad BUT from the way i read this it seems like they are more focused on killing and not feeding the needs of the people....this especially

Quote: "He said half of them had just returned from assignments overseas and are ``highly proficient in the use of lethal force.'' He pledged to put down the violence ``in a quick and efficient manner.''
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Yes that worrys me alot where did they just come back from? iraq im sure nothing wrong with that but....im worryed they'll have flash backs and start saying "DIE TABBIES!" or something =\

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 13:56
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Quote: " "Oh, one more thing, you live in Wales. You need to just shut the heck up right now.""


Quote: "Third, I live in Louisiana and have quite a better source of knowledge of the happenings than you would (as you live in Wales), so try not to argue.
Point is: Shut up."


are you telling me that I cant have an opinion because I live in another country. I see, so Canadians can't air their opinion, nor can the French...[on and on]. In fact the entire world [bar U.S] should just shut the hell up.

What kind of thinking is this? Pure crap.
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 14:03 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2005 14:08
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Quote: "...After a flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late..."


Quote: "Bush had promised "no net loss" of wetlands, a policy launched by his father's administration and bolstered by President Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003, unleashing the developers. The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency then announced they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were somehow related to interstate commerce."

heh heh "interstate COMMERCE", why doesnt that surprise me.

read the whole article here:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372455,00.html

once again, pwnt. stop trying.
If need be we can get a hold of the senate/house minutes and see exactly who funded what and when. I doubt you want to do that.

Mouse, how do you know what I donated when? I'm quite sure its more than you have, pal.

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Quote: "Mouse, how do you know what I donated when? I'm quite sure its more than you have, pal."


its not about how much you give in proportion to each other, its how much you give in proportion to what you can that counts

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Ive done what I can. your point?
I resented the presumptious implication that mouse made, thats all.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 14:50 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2005 14:53
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yeh but thats mouse for you, i think his presumptious implications are anything but personal

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Indeed, there is fact in that letter, but it's still a bit one sided, like some of the opinions in this thread.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 15:12 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2005 15:15
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Quote: "yeh but thats mouse for you, i think his presumptious implications are anything but personal "


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Quote: "I have nothing but disdain for people who put using this tragedy to score more 'points' at Bush for their pathetic partisan agendas ahead of donating money to the relief funds"


I take that personally.
If we cant say, FACT: Bush removed the funding
If we cant say, FACT: Bush knew this tradgedy was possible
Then what is the point of free speech. Mouse sees it as "using a tradgedy" to score points or bash bush, then assumes that I/we have put that ahead of donating money and doing what we can to help. I have no respect for that thought process, I really dont. Whether its meant personally or not doesn't matter. Its presumptuous drivel. But I shouldnt expect any better from a closeted-neocon, masqerading as a libertarian.

ps-it pains me to say that since in irc I thought mouse and I made some progress politically. what I said isnt personal btw, its political.

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This all makes me feel sick on people priorities(sp?).
Why the hell hasn't this thread been locked yet?

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locked why?
you happen not to agree, or dont like whats being said? hardly a lockable reason. post one of your classic thread-locking posts if you must.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 15:22 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2005 15:34
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pwnt. stop trying.
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Quote: "The fact is JIMMY that your only what 16? 15? something like that?"

yeas jimmy, that is exactly what heppened, they had denied the money too, get over it. I severly doubt that anyone here besides urself thought that it was all bushes fault, or all this administrations fault.


To everyone, quit F***** blaming it on someone. This is riddiculous, there is/was anarchy in AMERICA, and you are F**** fighting over who you think dun it? I dislike bush as much as the next guy, but i am not going to turn a national disaster into a F****** bash-fest. As i said before:

No single person, group or administration is to blame for this tragedy! Are you honestly going to go back and pick out every single dam person who had a hand in it? i know, lets blame the guy that wrote the levy proposal, because it obviously didnt convince congress. Or, the contruction crew that built the levys. Point is, just quit the bickereing and do what you are able to do for the victims of this horrible dissaster.


P.S. quit comparing donation amounts, thats just dam rude.


Quote: "I have nothing but disdain for people who put using this tragedy to score more 'points' at Bush for their pathetic partisan agendas ahead of donating money to the relief funds"

i agree

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because I happen to find the lact of morality from the number of people responding to be offensive.

what are you going to do as an encore, go down to Victoria Station in an IRA uniform and start shouting "it's all the government's fault"?

I just find the topic on the whole an offense to any civilised sensibility. It's like grave robbing, I don't understand why people do that either but I find that highly offensive too because there's no respect for what is going on.

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i think this thread should be locked also

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Quote: "I have nothing but disdain for people who put using this tragedy to score more 'points' at Bush for their pathetic partisan agendas ahead of donating money to the relief funds"

You mean for the fact that you can't find some sort of excuse or flaw in this arguement.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 15:36 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2005 15:36
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quit trying to pick a fight, i have found many, but why in the hell do i want to continue this pointless discussion?

Edit: read my big post a few up

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 15:46 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2005 15:47
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I'm not picking a fight, I'm picking out a fact.

I'm quite amused with it really. He tries his hardest to prove people wrong when they accuse bush of doing something bad, and when he can't, he tells them they are insensitive idiots. Hmm.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 16:17 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2005 16:21
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ur a F***** idiot kid. Fine i'll tell you the truth, it started with the building of the city itslef, the placement was horrible, that wasnt bushes fault. The levys are very expensive to mantain, every foot taller they get the cost increases exponentially, thats not bushes fault. The clinton administration denied the levy project money the same as this one. Congress had reccently gave 1 billion for the levy project, but it sadly wouldnt have been delivered till '08. A ton of the people down there lived below the poverty line, not because of lack of jobs, but because of lack of education, it is not bushes fault that these people did not take their eucation seriously as a kid. Because of this, there are many gangs, which are casing the violence. And, EVERY DAM ONE OF THEM made the descision to live(excuding the children and those who physically cant move) down there knowing the risks involved, they also made the desicion to stay there during the huricane. There are probaly a million other reasons that contributed to this. Get this in your head now while ur young:

SH** Happens, get over it. The world is not perfect and people make mistakes. Do you know how many people in the u.s. die in car accidents a year? way more than any war we can make. I dont see senators trying to increase car saftey,no, they try and stop a war that has a minute amount of casualties compared to car-related deaths.

Like i said before:
Quote: "No single person, group or administration is to blame for this tragedy! Are you honestly going to go back and pick out every single dam person who had a hand in it? i know, lets blame the guy that wrote the levy proposal, because it obviously didnt convince congress. Or, the contruction crew that built the levys."

so instead of now trying to pick a fight with me(which i do believe you are) since you cant contribute to the debate(because you dont know anything about it so u make random bashes), try and get ur parents to donate ur money to the victims down there.


My point is, quit bickering about who dun it. Just focus on what matters now, helping the devastated victims down there.

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Hahaha, class. You need to calm down, and realise I don't care about the contents of this thread, which is why I have not posted anything relevant to what is going on in the main topic.

Quote: "ur a F***** idiot kid"

What makes you say that? I'm sorry, I don't go around making tonnes of useless threads, and acting like a complete retard, do I?

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 16:27 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2005 16:27
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Quote: "ur a F***** idiot kid"

That's "cat", not kid. idjit


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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 16:32 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2005 16:39
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Quote: " I have not posted anything relevant to what is going on in the main topic"

Then dont bother posting on here if you dont have anything relevant to say.
Quote: "What makes you say that?"

The fact that ur trying to rag on me for trying to get people to stop blaming every1 for this.
Quote: "That's "cat", not kid. idjit "

Thanks for the correction


EDIT: I think this thread should be locked

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Quote: "The fact that ur trying to rag on me for trying to get people to stop blaming every1 for this."

That is why I quoted mouse?

Quote: "Then dont bother posting on here if you dont have anything relevant to say."

Nothing wrong in defending others.

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Quote: "That is why I quoted mouse?"

I had used his line in one of my earlier posts and agree with it completely. I really do think that this should be locked, it is turning into a flame war.

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Great, so do I.

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So, what does everyone think about Haliburton getting the contracts for rebuilding down in NOLA?

I noticed the pundittos bypassed that fact earlier.

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i dont know what Haliburton is and frankly dont care. This thread should get locked...

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Haliburton is the company that Cheney was formerly the CEO of. They are getting filthy rich in Iraq as we speak since they, and other Bush family/friends companies, were awarded "no bid" contracts to rebuild iraq (a place that didnt need to be rebuilt until we showed up).

Now I'll ask again, what do you think of Haliburton being awarded the rebuilding contracts in the afflicted states? Coincidence?

Bush family and friends all come from Big Oil, they have all been shovelling in the cash with the oil prices out of control like thay have been. Now with this storm and the new "refining shortages" the price went from 2.87 to 3.47 in 2 days here. What motivation do these people have to do anything to drive the prices down? (And dont say they released reserve crude oil - crude isnt the issue, refining is the issue) They are swimming in cash from these things, and have no reason to change it. Nor would they if they could.

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TDP, if you dont liek this thread then get away form it, if anyone's turning this into a flame war here it's you trying to pick a fight on ben.

CR, of course its coincedence you brainwashed fool [/sarcasm]

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heh

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Maybe they're giving mates rates.

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Quote: "Now I'll ask again, what do you think of Haliburton being awarded the rebuilding contracts in the afflicted states? Coincidence?"

I would love to give my opinion on this, but i hope you understand i cannot just take ur word for it. I have to look at it from all sides in order to make an informed descision. But at a glance, i think that it cannot just be haliburton doing the rebuilding, that company would have to be massive.

Quote: "Bush family and friends all come from Big Oil, they have all been shovelling in the cash with the oil prices out of control like thay have been."
C'mon, u know that every president has been rich, they have to be in order to get their shiny yale and harvard diplomas. Oil is just his business.

Quote: "the price went from 2.87 to 3.47 in 2 days here."
Must suck to live there. Here(Minnesota) prices were about $2.00 before then they went to $2.99 then yesterday 2.79 and today 2.65, so the situation here is improving. Is new york always that high tho? Ihave never been so i wouldnt know.

@Cattlerustler: sry if my posts seem like flames to you guys, i am just posting my opinion on these things, nothing personal. I always enjoy a good debate now and then.

@Teh Go0rfmeister: i wasnt trying to pick a fight, he just made a comment that offended me, thats all. (No hard feelings ben). I just dislike random and rude anti-bush comments. I like a civilized debate. I do not care for bush myself, but i will not become a conspiracy theorist and say he is secretly doing this and that. I am agaisnt the war in iraq, but am for the war on terror. I am neither republican or democrat, i am a realist. Even tho bush isnt the best president in the world, i still think he was better than anybody else running, and that is why i voted for him.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 19:17 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2005 19:22
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TDP I appreciate your comments.

Quote: "I would love to give my opinion on this, but i hope you understand i cannot just take ur word for it. I have to look at it from all sides in order to make an informed descision"

Please do. I wish everyone would. I think in the end most people would see that you need not be a "conspiracy theorist" to spot a trend in the goings-on of this administration. In the end you can only trust your own eyes and ears, not what the separate "sides" are saying. Trust your eyes and ears.

Quote: "C'mon, u know that every president has been rich, they have to be in order to get their shiny yale and harvard diplomas. Oil is just his business."

Yes, most presidents, of both parties, have come from priveleged backgrounds. But when you investigate who all is involved with this admin as a whole, and see all the blatant chrony-ism that takes place, and all of the hidden ties that exists from one to another, you might be surprised.

One good example of what I just said above, as it pertains to this NOLA disaster. FEMA was privatized by this admin, then it was swallowed up by Homeland Security dept. The person (i can get the name) put in place by Bush to head up FEMA, his old college buddy, a man with no experience in such matters. Disaster hits, FEMA unprepared. Food and water begin arriving with the Pres and the Nat'l Guard 5 days after the fact. More people will die after the fact of starvation, dehydration, and sickness, than from the event itself. That speaks volumes to me.

anyway, cheers

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The first responce was supposed to come from the mayor then the goveror of the state. They let the people of LA. down.


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Quote: "I resented the presumptious implication that mouse made, thats all."


Quote: "I take that personally."


More like you immediatly assumed I had to be talking about you. There are other people in the world...

Quote: "If we cant say, FACT: Bush removed the funding"


Clinton removed the funding and Bush continued his mistake. Kind of the same deal as 9/11. You're just chosing to pick on the one you already have a vendetta against.

Quote: " I have no respect for that thought process, I really dont. Whether its meant personally or not doesn't matter. Its presumptuous drivel."


Again you're assuming that I'm talking about you despite the fact that I never responded to your posts or used your name, and there are a plethora of other politically correct people with the same political agenda in the thread.

Quote: "But I shouldnt expect any better from a closeted-neocon, masqerading as a libertarian."


HEIL BUSH! Forwards with censorship! Promote the Christian agenda! The Patriot Act is a great thing! The Iraq war was completely justified! Thank god for Republicans!

Yeah, you see me saying stuff like that all the time.

Sometimes you're really funny CR

Quote: "ps-it pains me to say that since in irc I thought mouse and I made some progress politically."


Progress politically? As in converting me towards democratic standards? I still disagree with your politics, that doesn't mean I dislike you, but if you're out on a mission to convert me to being a proper Clinton-worshipping progressive democrat, I'm afraid you're never going to succeed. Obviously you and froogle chose to think it's out of hardheadedness.

My last post was unnecesarily vitriolic, and I apologise for that; I was very angry. For once I find myself agreeing with Raven. It seems extremely wrong to me on an ethical level that people from both sides of the partisan debate are using this disaster as leverage in their little war. I have seen no real evidence this is any one or one hundred individuals' faults; the previous presidents have made funding-related mistakes, and perhaps increased the risk a little bit, so a small portion of blame lies on the federal government. But it's a frickin' NATURAL DISASTER and trying to shift the blame for something like that into the political field is an insult to the memories of every person who died in New Orleanes. Unless it IS actually Bush's fault, of course, but as I said before, I've seen no real evidence whatsoever.

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Politics really bring out the worst in everyone here.

Judging by the pathetic arguments and mudslinging here though, I can see alot of people would make good politicians.

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Quote: "More like you immediatly assumed I had to be talking about you. There are other people in the world..."

I cant prove it but I feel you were. Either way, the wording is so "safe" in your posts, especially your last one, its no wonder no one knows what you stand for. You stand for everything, you stand for nothing. Something? Sometimes? Maybe? Always? Never? Have the balls to use my name next time.

Quote: "Kind of the same deal as 9/11"

You mean like the intelligence regarding usama bin laden and the rumors that al quieda was going to hijack planes to use as missles, that the Clinton admin handed off, to which the Bush Admin summarily dismissed as "left wing panic". My city is minus 2800 feet of beautiful sky scrapers because if it. That same deal?

Quote: "HEIL BUSH! Forwards with censorship! Promote the Christian agenda! The Patriot Act is a great thing! The Iraq war was completely justified! Thank god for Republicans!
Yeah, you see me saying stuff like that all the time."

Over the top there mate, even for you. Luckily for you I dont log irc. Im not saying youve been like the above but you are damn well a bush supporter, but wait youre not, then you are, no wait, im confused, oh wait, Ill be over here on this fence, or in this closet rather. Cmon, sprout a set already

Quote: "But it's a frickin' NATURAL DISASTER and trying to shift the blame for something like that into the political field is an insult to the memories of every person who died in New Orleanes. Unless it IS actually Bush's fault, of course, but as I said before, I've seen no real evidence whatsoever."

What evidence have you looked for? Are you waiting for mr. evidence to drive up to your house for the convention?

Cant have it both ways mouse

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Quote: "are you telling me that I cant have an opinion because I live in another country. I see, so Canadians can't air their opinion, nor can the French...[on and on]. In fact the entire world [bar U.S] should just shut the hell up."

Not at all, but I can see why you would think that. All I'm saying is that you're making blind remarks about something you appear to know nothing about. The fact that you live so far away prevents you from having a (near)first-hand account.

Quote: "What kind of thinking is this? Pure crap. "

And you're talking?
Quote: "Im sorry but mr bush you ASSH#LE! He hasnt done crap for those people in trouble just sits in his cosey office, counting all the tax money those same people have given him for years! and for what!? F-A! Im not saying the trouble makers are right but people are violent because of the lack of response - the U.S government always leaves itself wiiiiiidddddeeeeeeee open for attack.

So what's bush going to do - he's arranged a visit to new orleans to show people that someone is in charge!!!!! I cant believe he's got the nerve to stand there and say -

'Dont worry I'm in charge here!.....Right, Im off home now to count your tax money - gotta big war coming up next year, gotta start saving!'

What a !"£%££"#$!!#!!"


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Quote: "Cant have it both ways mouse"


Actually I can chose not to align with either idiotic political viewpoint commonly accepted in this country right now. Sorry it annoys you so much that you can't easily pidgeonhole me. And no, I was absolutely not talking about you in my first post, but you've got a silly idea in your head that we have some kind of ongoing grudge so you chose to think that.

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well if you werent talking about me then I apologize. the silly idea you refer to we can discuss another time.

cheers

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go CR kick their butts and BTW you guys are totally off subject...

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Uh oh..

Quote: "Breaking headlines: Bush called for a media assembly today to discuss oil rocketing problems and solutions. "It's those fu**ing Canadians. They are smuggling oil from the secret oil fields of Area 51 and using it for their snowmobiles. If we bomb the ba**ards now, the oil will be recovered, and the war in Iraq won." says Bush as he angerly slams his fist onto his empty MacDonalds cup."


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Quote: "ur a F***** idiot kid. Fine i'll tell you the truth, it started with the building of the city itslef, the placement was horrible, that wasnt bushes fault. The levys are very expensive to mantain, every foot taller they get the cost increases exponentially, thats not bushes fault. The clinton administration denied the levy project money the same as this one. Congress had reccently gave 1 billion for the levy project, but it sadly wouldnt have been delivered till '08. A ton of the people down there lived below the poverty line, not because of lack of jobs, but because of lack of education, it is not bushes fault that these people did not take their eucation seriously as a kid. Because of this, there are many gangs, which are casing the violence. And, EVERY DAM ONE OF THEM made the descision to live(excuding the children and those who physically cant move) down there knowing the risks involved, they also made the desicion to stay there during the huricane. There are probaly a million other reasons that contributed to this. Get this in your head now while ur young:"


No reason to go on a ****ing rampage how long ago was that city built? its been there longer then you where alive kid i dought they where really thinking about a hurricane coming and wiping it out as they where building it you know

Constrction worker #1: "HEY construction worker #2 wouldnt it be funny if a hurricane comes and wipes its a$$ with this city?"
Construction Worker #2: "sure would be #1 now i gotta go take a #2"

I think the thread needs to be locked and politics wiped off the face of this earth wadda ya say?

Oh yeah

What i thought might happen has happend and in no way am i surprised people are pointing there fingers at the National Guard and the police.

Rapes, killings hit Katrina refugees in New Orleans

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0002%2F20050903%2F1623510881.htm&sc=rontz&ewp=ewp_news_0805katrina_no&floc=NW_1-T

Quote: "One National Guard soldier who asked not to be named for fear of punishment from his commanding officer said of the lack of medical attention at the center, "They (the Bush administration) care more about Iraq and Afghanistan than here." "


Quote: ""We found a young girl raped and killed in the bathroom," one National Guard soldier told Reuters. "Then the crowd got the man and they beat him to death." "


Not only are human rights being voilated but so are our civial rights and when one armed forces man's moral gets low they all get low.

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what fools, who, after not eating or drinking for four days,in a disaster would rape someone? do you even have enough strength after that much time?

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