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Drew Cameron
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Posted: 24th May 2006 22:28
Yeah I like Amnesiac (Pyramid Song! Life in A Glass House!) alot more than it gets credit for but Kid A just seems to come together PERFECTLY for me. Amnesiac is closer to the likes of OK Computer with Knives Out, Dollars and Cents etc... etc... whereas Kid A is ALL abstract, which is really my favourite type.

OK Computer is way up there too! No Surpises and Fitter, Happier are my favourites.

Quote: "I'm sure at least 90% of the world's population has heard of the Beatles"


I'd say it's probably something like 10 or 15% tops. If that.

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Posted: 24th May 2006 22:29
Maybe 5.

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Posted: 24th May 2006 22:29
Who are "The Beatles?"

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Posted: 24th May 2006 22:40
Quote: "I'm sure at least 90% of the world's population has heard of the Beatles"


Maybe, but you can't compare Radiohead to the Beatles :-P

I didn't like OK Computer that much, honestly. Thom Yorke just slurs his way through that entire album. I prefer to hear and understand what artists are saying, which is why The Bends is their best album in my opinion.

Quote: "China has 1.3 billion people. You don't want to know how many of them do not know who the Beatles are."


True, especially since China was cut off from the rest of the world during the 60s and 70s when the Beatles were around. Western music was most certainly not allowed into the country.

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Posted: 24th May 2006 22:43
It depends on the region. Communist china had a ban on western stuff (and still does for the most part), but other parts of China, like where they speak Gan and parts of the Cantonese areas, they probably know who the Beatles are, although I'm sure they found out later than most of the rest of the world.


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Posted: 25th May 2006 00:37
I wonder where you 10-years-older-than-the-rest-of-us members get off acting like your generation had the only good things in the history of anything :\ It would seem if someone disliked Radiohead or had no idea who that standup guy you were talking about was, then they're completely devoid of culture and taste. I'd be willing to bet you have no idea who 90% of modern artists of any kind are, yet I'm not up at you for not knowing them. You know who you know, and you can't blame a generation for that. We all know what we were exposed to, and that doesn't make us any less tasteful or refined as you seem to be.

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Posted: 25th May 2006 01:33
Well the thing is there are only a few artists who stand out every generation. The 70s had their John Lennon, the 90s had their Radiohead and Nirvana, and now we have... who? Nobody's sound really stands out above the rest, to be remembered for the next 50 years. If there are artists that do, please let me know.

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Posted: 25th May 2006 01:52
Nightwish are the only band that springs to mind. However, they're not really that popular in the UK, so probably won't be remembered by many in 50 years. No-one in the current UK charts stands a hope in hell.

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Posted: 25th May 2006 01:54
I'm sure it really depends on your tastes though. I personally think Nirvana was overrated, and Radiohead primarily focused on slurring guitar and music together. John Lennon actually stood for something during the Beatles and then his run with a solo career, and his abrupt death left him as a rememberance icon. Same with Kurt Cobain. However, there are so many artists out right now that it's hard to stand out, even if you were just as magnificent as those before. Think Tool, Dredg, Creed, and APC, or even metal-punk bands like SOAD who continue to challenge in their music along with having something neat to listen to. I honestly can't speak for modern music too much, because my knowledge is limited as I'd rather listen to band that have lasted a while, such as Oscar Peterson, Steve Vai, Tool, Rush, and other bands that withstood the test of time because of their innovativeness. A good idea before bashing current artists would be to let them take the test of time first Granted, 98% of them will disperse, but isn't that what happened along time? Many are forgotten, and only the true shall shine. Modern artists will have their time to shine.

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Quote: "Nirvana was overrated"


Just a tad.

Quote: "Modern artists will have their time to shine."


Yeah, you're right. We're only in 2006-how can we know who will be memorable in 50 years time, when we havn't even finished the decade yet? I'm willing to bet that it won't be Britney Spears though.

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Posted: 25th May 2006 04:39 Edited at: 25th May 2006 04:40
So far, this generation hasn't produced anyone that I've heard that was talented enough to live on for ages. But I think the reason why there aren't any good bands or artists nowadays is because your generation refuses to try and take lessons from the artists who paved the way for them. And just because you have your own entertainment does not excuse you from giving older stuff an equal and fair chance. I'm angry at your generation as a whole because you aren't going to pass down any classic artists to future generations, and that's both suicidely (not a word but it is now) depressing and sad. Richard Pryor is hilarious, and if his legacy dies with the give-me-everything-now-for-free generation, because they're too self-absorbed or too trendy to watch "something old," then maybe the whole generation should be thrown off a cliff. It's not too late... we can get to work tonight and have all of you replaced in 9 months or so Sorry guys, but this is where I draw the line. To not have any respect for roots like that, it's depressing.

That wasn't really aimed at anyone in here, although Saikoro got me a little riled up But at the generation as a whole. Some of you have a work ethic, but most of you expect things to be handed to you. And THAT is why music today sucks the big one... mainstream musicians don't want to work for it, and the audience doesn't want to work to listen to the bands that do have talent. Why haven't I shot myself yet


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Posted: 25th May 2006 05:48
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Because there is more to life than music and entertainment. In fact, if that's your only problems with this world then you are lucky.

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Posted: 25th May 2006 06:00 Edited at: 25th May 2006 06:03
Indeed. Most of this "young generation is scum" stuff doesn't really bother me as I am not a hardcore music fan, nor do I like standup comedy.

I guess 99% of is the fact that I was born at the end of the 80's and don't really have the heart to care what was coolest entertainment craze back then was.

Since my system is 100% free of nostalgia, I'm always about the latest tech, moving forward, forward!

Same applies for films really. I love Kurosawa's work, but can't stand old American films and westerns. Why? Because I wasn't alive at the time of their height to experiance them properly.

That's what entertainment is - here to make us giggle, gone next decade. The old entertainers aren'tt WW2 veterns to us young people, so who really cares?


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Posted: 25th May 2006 06:30
@ Matt: Why didn't your generation pass down the intricate complexities of earlier works by Stravinsky and the like? Oops, guess not everyone passes down everything, huh? But we do take a lot of our influence from 80's and 90's bands and comedians, and make it into our own, just as your generation did with earlier decades. Just because we do not have the exact influences you do (because we can pick it up from what your generation has left), doesn't make us any more ignorant or unrefined than your generation was.

...On an agreeing note, however, a co-worker and friend of mine went to my house today. Hes played guitar for 6 years, and me for 2. I asked to see some stuff his band played, and it sounded EXACTLY like the stuff the band across the street played. I then proceeded to master his entire 'screamo' genre right in front of him, where he decided he needed to leave. Good times.

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im with megaton, i dont really find any old music/films that appealing, though i prefer films to music i really cant stand watching old films, i mean im an avid scifi fan but watching some pre 1980-1990 films is very boring.

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Posted: 25th May 2006 19:14
Generally, every generation wants to break away from the norms of the generation before it (which is for 'old people') - and usually they accidently recreate the generation before that, thinking it's new.

It happens in fashion all the time (the recent fad for 60's and 70's stuff in the 15-21 age group for example) and in music, art, comedy, writing and most other forms of creation.

The stuff that your parents had = OLD, BORING, ANCIENT.
The stuff you never realised your grandparents had = NEW, EXCITING, CUTTING EDGE!

It goes in cycles. Chances are, 10-15 years down the line, someone will do something of the same kind of stuff as Prior, after years of nothing like him - and it'll be hailed as new.
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Quote: "the recent fad for 60's and 70's stuff in the 15-21 age group for example"


where the hell do you live?

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@ Richard Pryor;

Ha ha ha,
Im laughing but it's fake laugh.
SORRY UR NOT COMEDIAN!


@matt; I never knew who he was, and would have been smacked very much times if I had watched that with my parent's knowledge. I'm sorry, I don't find bad language with stupid racial stereotyping funny. *shrugs* I don't really like stand up funny period much, but that was...stupid.

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Posted: 25th May 2006 21:40
Quote: "Ha ha ha,
Im laughing but it's fake laugh.
SORRY UR NOT COMEDIAN!"


Speaking of being unfunny.

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Posted: 25th May 2006 21:46
Quote: "where the hell do you live?"

I see what Tinkergirl is talking about every day when I'm out and about, althought it's a heavier 1970's thing around here.

Quote: "I'm sorry, I don't find bad language with stupid racial stereotyping funny. "

The Bad Language: Those three and four letter words are just that: Words. They're only offensive because your parents thought they were. The infamous F-word stands for "fornicate under command of the King", because when the plague hit the UK, the king of england at the time issued a command to the peasants to reproduce so that they wouldn't lose entire generations to disease. But a lot of people thought the command was a bad one, and for years after the plague dissipitated they thought of the hardships they went through and the friends and family they'd lost during the plague, and as a result, that word became a bad word. The "D" word came from the crusades. King Leopold of Austria referred to him as the "D" word, another name for Richard, and people referred to him as King D--- for years to come. But he was a real jerk, so the "d" word came to meant someone who acted like King Richard. And the middle finger? That also comes from England. English longbowmen used their middle finger to pluck their bows at French soldiers during the 100 years war. When the French captured these bowmen, they'd chop off their middle fingers so they couldn't fire bows any more. The English caught wind of this, and after a long battle that the English had won, the bowmen surrounded the french captives and extended their middle fingers to show that they could still shoot. Interesting, huh? But the point is, they're just words and they're offensive because you choose for them to be offensive to you. He understood that it's just language and used them in his common speech. Most comedians before him didn't do that, and most comedians since him do.

The "stupid racial stereotyping" that you talk about is something you obviously know very little, if anything about. Richard Pryor grew up during a time in the United States of great racial turmoil. Everything was segregated and black people were treated unfairly the likes of which none of us on these forums have ever seen in our lifetimes (I don't know of any members old enough to have been alive back then, if there are any, sorry). If you spent hundreds of years as a slave, just so you could gain your freedom to be treated like dog**** for a century following, so you could take part in a huge civil rights movement that only earned you basic rights but still got you treated poorly well into the 1980's, then guess what? You'd be stereotyping with racial comments too. You've never once in your life dealt with oppresion of any kind. And no, your mom or dad forcing you to mow the lawn and take out the trash is NOT oppression, before someone says it, because if you refuse to put the garbage on the curb, your parents don't pepper spray you, spray water at you, and beat you with sticks (and if they do, contact child services immediately!). I think he's justified in everything he says, and if offends anyone, then the person it offends needs a reality check about history. If you don't think he's hilarious, then the stuff he's talking about is going over your head, because I don't think I know a single person who doesn't know and adore his work (except those of you on here who don't know who he is).

Sorry if I get pretty crazy when talking about Richard Pryor. I just don't think a lot of people today realize, admire, or even care about the awesome contribution he made to entertainment. If there was EVER a comedian who should be remembered for 1,000 years, that comedian should be Richard Pryor, and I openly dare someone to name a comedian who inspired more people than he did. The closest you'll get? Lenny Bruce... and I'm sure none of you have heard of him either


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Quote: "And the middle finger? That also comes from England. English longbowmen used their middle finger to pluck their bows at French soldiers during the 100 years war."


Not quite true. That's the middle and forefinger. I've no idea where the middle finger originated, but I'd imagine it has something to do with the meaning. Interesting post though-never knew where the "f-word" came from. Why do you call it the "D-word" though? It's hardly swearing. How can that word be banned when it's short for Richard (yes, I'm aware of the other meaning, but still...not that rude).

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While I didn't know about the history of Richard Pryor, now that I do I find it no funnier. It just isn't my type of humour, and I think it's ludicrous to insist that those who don't like the same comedy as you do are uncultered and idiots.

As to the bad language, I realize all that, but are you saying you have no problem being called a mother****er? Or a ****headed SOB? Or a ***headed ****sucker?


If so, then I can see why you have no problem with it. It's not so much that I object to it; it's more that I don't find it funny. There is NO NEED for those words. They add nothing but condemnation from those who are offended.

@Jeku: I know, I know, classic and corny and un-funny, but it fit so well...it was also supposed to be lame.

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Quote: "Not quite true. That's the middle and forefinger. I've no idea where the middle finger originated, but I'd imagine it has something to do with the meaning."

I know that's where it actually came from, and I know the english definitely flipped them the middle finger when they had the french surrounded. Maybe they chopped off the middle finger because it was the main one? I dunno, but we talked about that in college, and a lot of other "bad" words and their social reactions (like, how people around the world respond to certain things). But yeah, that's definitely how the middle finger became offensive. Over time, it blended with the F-word's meaning because they sort of had the same meaning. As far as the D-word is concerned, I didn't want to tick off any mods, although I agree that it isn't really offensive.

Quote: "I think it's ludicrous to insist that those who don't like the same comedy as you do are uncultered and idiots."

That's not the point I'm trying to make. I'm trying to say that even if you don't like it, you should at least appreciate it. I HATE Rush but I can appreciate their accomplishments as musicians. But another point I was trying to make is that you won't laugh at that which you simply do not understand. If you tried putting yourself in his era or in his shoes, it would be riotous. I guess some people either can't do that or don't want to try. But to say he sucks is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Just because you don't like him doesn't decrease the volume of his accomplishments, not in the least. You should be able to respect and perhaps even admire someone's accomplishments even if you don't particularly like their style.

Quote: "are you saying you have no problem being called a mother****er? Or a ****headed SOB? Or a ***headed ****sucker?"

I live in New York, those are terms of endearment here Not really, but you'll commonly hear people calling you things like that while saying hello or goodbye and they aren't meant as insults... it's just dialogue. But I guess we don't get as worked up over "naughty words" as everyone else.

Here's another funny slang geneology: Do you know where the word "crap" comes from? Or where the slang for doing "the business", taking a crap, comes from? Look no further than Mr. Thomas Crapper, who in 1898 invented a U-shaped pipe that connects to your toilet. The pipe traps water, which blocks the sewage smell from eminating beyond the toilet into your bathroom. Because of this nifty invention, his name, Crapper, was on toilets around the world... So using the Crapper became taking a crap, and with the S-Word having a similar meaning, over time the word "crap" came to be another way of saying "gosh darn." If you're lucky, I'll talk about the S-word next


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@ Matt: You can't expect everyone to like things you hold dear. I know you don't like Steve Vai, but far be it from me to think any less or treat you any worse because of it. However, the way you talk about people who don't share your views IS offensive, and thats why people think about you the way they do. Go ahead and blame it on living in New York again, but you'd only be hiding a comfort you've taken attachment to and wont change for anything. For once, don't blame it on the city when it's a fault of yours.

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@ Matt: I'm sorry, I didn't MEAN to say he wasn't funny, I meant I didn't think he was funny. I respect him for breaking the barriers also; I just didn't know he did that at first. Also, I realize in retrospect that my reaction is probably because I had heard the people he inspired, and then hearing/seeing him and thinking "How Cliche."


Sorry if I mis-interpreted your words about this, but that's what it sounded like to me.

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Quote: "You can't expect everyone to like things you hold dear. I know you don't like Steve Vai, but far be it from me to think any less or treat you any worse because of it."

That's just it, though... I don't like his music, but I respect him as a talented musician. The way people were carrying on, I felt like no one respected him or gave a crap that he even existed, and that's troubling. More troubling is the fact that I've taken this question, do you know who Richard Pryor is, onto the street, asking some of my 22-year old sister's friends, their siblings, and a few of my younger co-workers, if they knew who he was. NONE OF THEM KNEW, with the exception of two people who'd heard the name, and three in the same family who knew who he was and didn't think he was funny or inspiring in any way. And the same goes for here, too... no one on here around that age thinks he's funny. Compare that with someone whose even a little bit older and remembers his movies... most of the people my age think he's hilarious, and that goes for just about everyone up to my parents' age that I've ever met or talked to in my entire life. And yes, I was born in the 1970's... in late December of 1979. I wasn't really exposed to Pryor until the later 1980's, although I'd seen a handful of his movies before then, the ones that weren't too rough. So it's not like Pryor was a household name for my generation... we adopted him and fell in love. In my highschool of over 4000 students, he was extremely well-known and beloved. I don't think I'd ever met anyone, or talked to anyone, ever in my life, who didn't know who Richard Pryor was and couldn't name a few of his movies until a "Megaton" bomb was dropped on me in this thread (sorry for the cheasy pun Megaton). Understand why this is bothering me so much? I'm seriously disturbed by this... not one of you in that age-range like his stuff? None of you? Well, I'm sure SOME of you must, but none that I've met... it's like people over 70 who love heavy metal... a very, very, very small percentage. Fact is, Richard Pryor's career was far too recent to be forgotten about already. It's not like he was vaudevilling and dancing the Charleston back in the 1920's... the guy's career exploded just a few decades ago. Does anyone understand where I'm coming from on this?!?

Quote: "the way you talk about people who don't share your views IS offensive, and thats why people think about you the way they do. Go ahead and blame it on living in New York again, but you'd only be hiding a comfort you've taken attachment to and wont change for anything. For once, don't blame it on the city when it's a fault of yours."

I know that I bother a lot of people... it's been discussed before. I'm over the top, explosive, extremely liberal, I love NY too much, I love Radiohead too much, all of that... but those people need to chill out. Seriously, with all of the terrible things going on in the world, to be offended or bothered by the things *I* say? It's kinda rediculous. You'll notice the people I'm friendlier with, like you, Jeku (even though we argue like cats and dogs), and Megaton, don't take things that seriously Well, there's others, but I don't feel like naming everyone and making them feel sentimental, lol. Point is, life's too short Spend that energy fighting gas prices or the genocide in the Sudan And I wasn't "hiding" behind NY... I don't think I ever use NY as an "excuse." I said:
Quote: "I live in New York, those are terms of endearment here Not really, but you'll commonly hear people calling you things like that while saying hello or goodbye and they aren't meant as insults... it's just dialogue."

That wasn't an excuse for anything other than my not giving a Thomas Crapper when someone calls me a "bad" word, because you hear worse stuff than that every day here (even in Binghamton)... I'm not easily offended. You'd have to call my mom the n-word, call my girlfriend the c-word (the bad one for an asian), do #2 on my front lawn, and insult Radiohead, NY, and everything else I love in the same sentence, and say that sentence to my face three times fast. Well, no, then you'd catch a whoopin lol jk

Quote: "Matt: I'm sorry, I didn't MEAN to say he wasn't funny, I meant I didn't think he was funny. I respect him for breaking the barriers also; I just didn't know he did that at first. Also, I realize in retrospect that my reaction is probably because I had heard the people he inspired, and then hearing/seeing him and thinking "How Cliche.""

That's how I thought everyone was putting it across, and that's why I exploded... even though I'm not a fan of Steve Vai, I'd do the same if someone said he sucked and/ or wasn't talented... he's one of the best guitarists of the 1980s/ 1990s, but I just don't really like that sort of music.


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I don't think living in New York excuses you to swear as much as you like.

I personally think all people who use the f word ever 3 syllables are complete and utter lamers. If you can't talk without it, then maybe you shouldn't be talking at all.


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You realise Matt that in 20 years time, they'll be saying the same about Jim Carrey .

My son loves Pryor's movies and he's only 10. I made a specific point of introducing him to this stuff, old movies starring Clint Eastwood, Charles Bronson, Bruce Lee... Heck we sat and watched 'The Good, The Bad...' last week and I had to ask him what the bandit dude says at the end. Same with videogames - it depends on how kids are raised, some parents like their kids to have the latest stuff, so they grow up knowing the latest stuff, the latest fads, and parents spend all their time trying to provide it.

Ironically it's the old movies we watch over and over rather than watching a new movie once, and the fact that it's not me demanding we watch an old western speaks volumes. I'm insanely pround to have a son who can quote Monty Python movies better than me, there is very little I'd rather do than chill out and watch The Holy Grail.

My brother is kinda the opposite, he has to have every cheap cruddy brand new £5 DVD ASDA's can throw at him. My brother has no discernable taste, I mean his favourite band is the Chillis - now I'm not dissin the Chilli's, but people who claim them for their favourite band need to branch out. I have been programming him into some SOAD and QOTSA, but the problem is that he knows all of the Chilli's names, it's gonna be tough!.

Ultimately people will appreciate quality, as long as they know it exists. Call me a sad git but I get really annoyed when people say their favourite anything is no older than a year old, like people saying their favourite movie is 'The Divinci Code' need a dry slap.

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Here here Van B!

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Quote: "Or where the slang for doing "the business", taking a crap, comes from? Look no further than Mr. Thomas Crapper"


I think I've heard from several sources that thats actually a myth. Apparently the word crap was being used before Thomas Crapper was born. I might be wrong, though- I couldn't dig up the sources but I have read it more than once.

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Posted: 26th May 2006 20:12
Quote: "NONE OF THEM KNEW"


I really don't see the big deal in the new generation not knowing who certain people are. Celebrities needn't be put on a pedestal at all. If they didn't know who Einstein was then I would be a little fearful.

If Richard Pryor's work was quality and genius, then people will remember him for ages. I'll bet more students today would recognize John Candy, even though he's been dead for 12 years. Just depends on whether people can relate.

When I was young my parents watched SCTV, so I know all of the famous Canadian comedians--- Martin Short, Eugene Levy, Joe Flaherty, John Candy, Rick Moranis, Catherine O'Hara, etc. But ask most kids today who Joe Flaherty is and they'll give you a blank stare.

For example, do you know who your great-grandparents were laughing at when they were teenagers? Or their grandparents? Probably not.

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Posted: 26th May 2006 21:13
Quote: "I don't think living in New York excuses you to swear as much as you like. "

That's not at all what I said. I said that we're used to it here. You here it every single day, day-in-day-out, from teenagers, from college students, from parents, from grand-parents... it's like some oddball timeless tradition. The only people here who I've met that were offended by naughty language have been teachers.

Quote: "I personally think all people who use the f word ever 3 syllables are complete and utter lamers. If you can't talk without it, then maybe you shouldn't be talking at all."

That's because you live in Toronto, and your city is way too clean There's absolutely nothing wrong with bad words unless they're used in a mean, cruel, insulting way, and usually that isn't how they're utilized. "**** I hit my knee on that desk!" or "**** that, I'm not doing that!" I guess you just get numbed to it or something when you hear it a lot... but I still think people are way too sensitive about bad words.

Quote: "I think I've heard from several sources that thats actually a myth. Apparently the word crap was being used before Thomas Crapper was born. I might be wrong, though- I couldn't dig up the sources but I have read it more than once."

I've heard a few others say that's a myth too, and maybe it is, but that's what I was told in college and if I paid that much money for a class, I hope they didn't teach me a load of Thomas (I'm going to start using that more often lol). but who knows, maybe I'm wrong Half of the internet websites say it's true, the other half say it isn't. But he did invent the curved pipe, hehe. On History Channel's "Modern Marvels" they said this was true, too... I think I'd take their word for it over most websites I think.

Quote: "I really don't see the big deal in the new generation not knowing who certain people are. Celebrities needn't be put on a pedestal at all. If they didn't know who Einstein was then I would be a little fearful."

It may be arguable, but I think a lot of people would say that Pryor did for Comedy what Einstein did for Science. Not that I'm comparing their talent, but their influence on their fields? No question, no arguement. I'm just as shocked at all of this Pryor stuff as I would be if someone hadn't heard of Einstein, or Abraham Lincoln, or Vincent Van Gogh, or Chuck Berry... I feel like he's already being forgotten and it's only been a few months since he died and a decade or two since he's been alive, but paralyzed in a wheelchair. And the huge media storm that happened after his death is also making me wonder how no one had heard of him... I know people around that age are hip to current events and whatnot, so how did no one know who he was?!?

Quote: "For example, do you know who your great-grandparents were laughing at when they were teenagers? Or their grandparents? Probably not."

My great-grandparents? Yes (Fatty Arbuckle and Charlie Chaplin). But going back into the 1800s, my mom's side were still slaves, or freed and too busy trying to keep from being murdered to care about comedy, and on my dad's side, they were still in Tuscany, Italy running a restaurant (which is still in business there today as far as I know, and I'll probably never see it ). But I know for a fact who my grandparents liked and who my parents like (Richard Pryor, Lenny Bruce, and George Carlin mostly). I'm definitely taking cues from Van and raising my kids to know and respect the classics... I just wish more parents would do the same


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Posted: 26th May 2006 21:43
Quote: "That's because you live in Toronto, and your city is way too clean There's absolutely nothing wrong with bad words unless they're used in a mean, cruel, insulting way"


The reason I mentioned it is because alot of kids do it here too.

And yes, I do see "something wrong with it". You're really showing your lack of vocabulary by talking like this:



Talk like the enough in front of your friends, and it might just become a habit. Have fun on job interviews!


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Posted: 26th May 2006 22:04
When you get into the working industry you will notice that it's no different. Everywhere I've worked people swear left right and centre like it's going out of style. I guess it's a culture thing.

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Posted: 26th May 2006 23:30
Actually, I haven't sworn for over 6 years now, and the people in my (almost exclusively male) office don't swear a lot - and certainly not as punctuation.
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I always thought Jeku's EA office was like that...no wonder NHL 2004 was such a poor game.


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Posted: 27th May 2006 00:56 Edited at: 27th May 2006 00:56
Okay, I think we get it.
You like Richard Pryor.

Incidentally I have heard of him, as have most people I know.

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Posted: 27th May 2006 04:59
Quote: "And yes, I do see "something wrong with it". You're really showing your lack of vocabulary by talking like this"

They're only words. Someone who says "like" too much in a sentence, like, they like, show a serious, like, lack of vocabulary or something like that too If they weren't considered naughty words, would you still be angry at the people who use them?

Quote: "I always thought Jeku's EA office was like that...no wonder NHL 2004 was such a poor game."

I don't mean you any disrespect by this Jeku, so please don't take this personal... it's between me and your corporate masters , but seriously, when was the last honestly awesome EA game that was groundbreaking and whatnot? And don't say "The Sims" or anything else that's 3rd party. It seems like EA is only doing sports games lately

Quote: "Incidentally I have heard of him, as have most people I know.
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Are 22 or younger? If so, maybe they're a dim light of hope


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Quote: "Someone who says "like" too much in a sentence, like, they like, show a serious, like, lack of vocabulary or something like that too"

Actually that's an addition of unneccesary vocabulary =)

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everything is art after andy warhol defined a cambells soup can as a masterpeice.
turned the art world on its head, broke away from the old masters.
scrunching or folding while your on the porcelean bus could be artwork in an intrinsic form.

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Quote: "Actually that's an addition of unneccesary vocabulary =)"

So is swearing Once or twice in a paragraph isn't that terrible, and Pryor didn't swear 24/7... he just swore more than most of us

Someone at my job, whose that age, has never heard of Muhammed Ali. I've officially given up hope. That's a sure sign that today's legends-in-the-making, the best fighters in the boxing world (Roy Jones Jr., Oscar Dela Hoya, Floyd Mayweather Jr., and Marco Antonio Bererra come immediately to mind) won't be remembered 20-30 years from now. Whose going to pass down all of this knowledge if kids are too busy playing with their Ipods and cell phones to take in older stuff? I guess our only hope is for us older people to join forces with the people of that generation who pay attention/ care about older stuff to mass-educate or something... but I've given up. I surrender to the younger generation.

What was the name of Andy Warhol's band? Was it Velvet Underground? Or did he just do an album cover or something?


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Posted: 27th May 2006 14:09
Quote: "Are 22 or younger? If so, maybe they're a dim light of hope"


I'm 17.

I'm pretty sure Velvet Underground was Andy Warhol's band, or at least he had something to do with them. I can't be bothered Googling it though. I like the song "Highway Star" by VU.

I think you're judging our generation too harshly. Most people I know are clued up about the past. People from the generation above yours probably had the same concerns about your one.

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It's all about your interests guys. I don't know any of the old super-legendary musicians/comedians/boxers etc because I have never really taken alot of interest in that. I do know the history of everything I DO take an interest in.

That's why I don't say thing likes "Know Morihei Ueshiba? HUH?? YOU DON'T? But how can't you, he's only one of the greatest martial arts masters of the last 2 centuries...shame on you dude, letting all his past teachings go to waste..."

See my point?


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Posted: 27th May 2006 15:59 Edited at: 27th May 2006 16:00
Quote: "Someone at my job, whose that age, has never heard of Muhammed Ali. I've officially given up hope. "

Why is this such a big deal? These aren't important people. They are good at what they do, but so what? People come and go all the time that are good at what they do.

Besides, no one cares about boxing..

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Matt: Well this span a little oot of control, I mean Richard is alright, yeah he insprired people but he's hardly the be all and end all of comedy, alot of people did what he did and did it better.
Time to chill me-thinks

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Wayhay to above.

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Quote: "Why is this such a big deal? These aren't important people. They are good at what they do, but so what? People come and go all the time that are good at what they do."

To not know who Muhammed Ali is? The greatest boxer in history? The only boxer EVER to be as good as him is Roy Jones Jr. Besides the fact that he's one of the biggest celebrities of the past century without arguement, and that there's been a huge box office smash hit made about him, and he's talked about constantly, and he's lit the olympic torch... Come on! There's no excuse. Anyone who hasn't heard the name Muhammed Ali is living under a rock, or on another planet, or had a very large, blunt object dropped on their head as an infant. Period.

Quote: "Besides, no one cares about boxing.."

You don't... that doesn't mean no one does. I'm positive I could find a few hundred million people who'd love to argue with you on that one, tens of millions of whom are hardcore about it like I am.

Quote: "Matt: Well this span a little oot of control, I mean Richard is alright, yeah he insprired people but he's hardly the be all and end all of comedy, alot of people did what he did and did it better."

Name a single person who did what he did better. Please. I'm all ears. This is turning into the most frustrating thread ever for me. Sure, I've gotten into *alot* of arguements on TGC before, but this? It's insulting and I'm almost taking it personal I'm pretty sure my parents would have grounded me or something if I said I didn't know who someone that famous was, just to keep me from hurting myself (jk)


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Quote: "You don't... that doesn't mean no one does. I'm positive I could find a few hundred million people who'd love to argue with you on that one, tens of millions of whom are hardcore about it like I am."


Ahh ignore Benjamin, his narrow 1-dimensional view on everything isn't one of his direct interests gets old very fast.


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Quote: "Come on! There's no excuse. Anyone who hasn't heard the name Muhammed Ali is living under a rock, or on another planet, or had a very large, blunt object dropped on their head as an infant. Period.
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Or isn't enthralled into Western civilization, lives in another country, has a distaste for boxing, doesn't know what boxing is, etc...

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Quote: "Ahh ignore Benjamin, his narrow 1-dimensional view on everything isn't one of his direct interests gets old very fast."

As yes that's right. That explains why when I give a negative opinion on something you like you tell me I either "don't understand it" or "haven't been following it enough". It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that you can't handle others' opinions.

Quote: "You don't... that doesn't mean no one does. I'm positive I could find a few hundred million people who'd love to argue with you on that one, tens of millions of whom are hardcore about it like I am."

Hehe I'm kidding. I'm just trying to put the point across that it's not the end of the world if someone doesn't know who the greatest boxer ever was. These kind of people are known and respected by people who are into that particular sport/art/whatever, it's not really that important for someone not interested to know.

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