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Uncle Sam
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Posted: 6th Jul 2006 22:35
Quote: "Wow, did everyone see that? Indi got Strong Bad to shut it. I didn't think anyone ever would, shy of Rich carpet bombing his house with an SAS plane of course Way to go indi"


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Jeku
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Posted: 6th Jul 2006 23:27
Quote: "Besides... there really aren't any true "swear" words are there? They are just words that society made into bad words for no reason what-so-ever."


Really, well in a "society" there are these things called rules. If you don't follow them, you get punished. Having a post approval system, while not 100% perfect, is annoying for the user (and a form of punishment). Just be happy you weren't banned, as we had every right to do actually.


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How do you get passed the filters?
Megaton Cat
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Posted: 7th Jul 2006 05:57 Edited at: 7th Jul 2006 05:57
Quote: " How do you get passed the filters?"


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Darth Vader
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Posted: 7th Jul 2006 06:35
*Darth Vader looks up at the last few posts. Turning to the community he says, "I love this forum! The moderators keep it so clean!!!"*

Personally I really want a PM system, though due to programming lack I couldn't contribute! I don't think it should be moderated like it was said this isn't the FBI and really what goes between users is their buisness! Aren't we entitled to privacy? Sure if its abusive or down right low then the user can delete it end of story! Or you can have an abuse button like the one every post has so if someone is rude and nasty then the reciver can report it as abuse, and they can be slaped.
This is my opinion, take it or leave it!


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Les Horribres
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Posted: 13th Jul 2006 21:04
Quote: "Really, well in a "society" there are these things called rules. If you don't follow them, you get punished. Having a post approval system, while not 100% perfect, is annoying for the user (and a form of punishment). Just be happy you weren't banned, as we had every right to do actually."


Quote: "You know... what irks me about the post aprovial system isn't that you have to wait for your posts. It is that no one knows you posted."


and further explanation is if you post something somewhere asking for help or giving, it is unseen unless a person knows it is there.

Finally I love the way you post these things Jeku. Do it again.

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Jeku
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Posted: 13th Jul 2006 21:41
Quote: "Finally I love the way you post these things Jeku. Do it again."


If you're trying to make me mad, keep it up. I don't understand what your point is or what you're trying to prove.

You were banned again for getting around the swear filter, and would be banned on any other forum with the same rules. If you want to continue arguing semantics then email me so we don't waste everyone else's time.


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Chris Franklin
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Posted: 13th Jul 2006 22:03
Quote: "But then we cant laugh when you ban him again

Its been months since ive been banned anywhere, a new personal best

*-//-* goes of the reak havoc in a random unsuspecting forum *-//-*"

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Les Horribres
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Posted: 13th Jul 2006 23:49 Edited at: 13th Jul 2006 23:50
Semantics? I am arguing that you never read before you post. Don't you love posting that on every thread I argue in... "Oh, don't bother arguing with merranvo, he will just say that you weren't reading what he posted." Insert random quote from my post here... insert text that has little to nothing to do with quote here.

Besides... a mad Jeku is a happy Jeku!


You posted as if I said that I do not understand the purpose of punishment. I did not say that at all, I said that the system does not allow people to continue living in an orderly fashion because the post that are posted dissolve into the phantoms of the forum. Not that they aren't instantly seen, but can end up never being seen at all.


Further more, the quote you used says that there are no real curse words. We just randomly pick a word and say that is a new curse word. Lets make a new curseword... hmmm... how about car. Car is a woman who has a lot of "baggage".

Now that we have a cuss word lets make a rule... no one can say "Car". The thing is people will say it unless a deterant acts upon them. The word has no different meaning in context... but it does have a potential different meaning.

Eventually people will stop using the word car not because they agree with the change in definition, but because they fear consequence and are taught to accept the change.


What does this mean? Rules in society are not formed by society as a whole, but rather formed by small influental groups. Redefining words are just small events, society did not dictate that the word should have an additional meaning. Rather people influenced others till they managed to overpower society, forcing their new idea upon it, and society readily accepting.

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Eric T
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Posted: 14th Jul 2006 00:42
Merranvo, stop being a festering boil upon the asscheek of society.

Jeku
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Posted: 14th Jul 2006 00:45
Merranvo. Nobody cares.


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Posted: 16th Jul 2006 00:20
Alright, which idiot has a picture pointing to a web site that needs a password ?

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Posted: 16th Jul 2006 00:33
Torsten Sorensen: Put your avatar on a non-password-protected server. >_<

Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 16th Jul 2006 01:18
I'm confused . Why was this unlocked anyways (not that I don't want it to be, if we stay on topic of the fact that we want PM's).

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Posted: 16th Jul 2006 01:27
All sorted

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Jeku
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Posted: 16th Jul 2006 01:28
Because Merranvo was trying to sound intelligent by going off on his usual slant that nobody could care less about. Basically the thread was no longer about private messaging


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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 16th Jul 2006 01:29
lol, so back to private messaging...any chance we could get it since so many people want it?

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Posted: 16th Jul 2006 01:32
Define many... I dont want nor need it.

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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 16th Jul 2006 01:39
Quote: "Define many... "

the majority of people who have posted here .

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Agent Dink
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Posted: 16th Jul 2006 01:52
I would like it alot. PM's are so nice and convenient, quick, and the person you are contacting is bound to see it so long as he visits the forum. You never know if the e-mails people have on their posts is their real, or used address. I cast my vote for PM's.


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Chris Franklin
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Posted: 16th Jul 2006 10:55
Pm's would be great i agree still RICH PLEASE ADD IT

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Darth Vader
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Posted: 16th Jul 2006 11:13
PM = Okay I love the Idea so easy and everything Agent Dink said:
Quote: "I would like it alot. PM's are so nice and convenient, quick, and the person you are contacting is bound to see it so long as he visits the forum. You never know if the e-mails people have on their posts is their real, or used address. I cast my vote for PM's."



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SirFire
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Posted: 16th Jul 2006 12:15
A downside to PM's is this:

If two people start talking about how to do something, or about how to accomplish something through code, and at the end they resolve whatever problem existed, nobody else will benefit from their learning experience.

Having people discuss things out in the open enables everyone to learn, which is the point in this forum in the first place.

But aside from that, I still like the idea of PMs.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2006 14:25
Quote: "If two people start talking about how to do something, or about how to accomplish something through code, and at the end they resolve whatever problem existed, nobody else will benefit from their learning experience."

By that logic, we should stop using IRC.

SirFire
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Posted: 16th Jul 2006 14:54
touche

However, in IRC other people besides the two parties involved can observe their conversation and spread the word, should it ever need spreading.

IRC also offers something the forum cannot: real-time responses, which can cut the time for learning something dramatically.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 03:37
But the downfall for people like me is that when I go on IRC hardly anyone is one them! Because I am on the other side of the world (Australia wereas the majority of you are in UK and US).

So PM is a big yes for me!


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Chris Franklin
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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 08:47
Sirfire like darthvader here everyone is in different time zones and not always on irc i live in the uk and iirc then you moved db chat to darkbasic which is always idle anyway

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Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 09:19
Private Messaging would be great. If I wanted to tell someone something, then I could. Gmail does it, and it works great. It would be like people using MSN, like they already do, but forum specific.

There are many times that I'd like to say something quickly to someone that perhaps I don't want broadcast to everyone else. I'm not going to any real work on PMs, so I don't see the disadvantage of having it.


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SirFire
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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 19:07 Edited at: 17th Jul 2006 19:09
Yes I agree #darkbasic is 99% idleness, and that kinda sucks.

Just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting IRC as an alternative to forum PMs, I was only pointing out my view on its usefullness to TKF15H.

I like the idea of forum PMs.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 20:18
It seems most people are in favor of PMs... Can we get the opinion of a TGC head honcho on whether this will ever happen or not?

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 22:07
Maybe...just maybe people don't want to have the option to be contacted by you. Email is at a stage where it's so damn quick and reliable that I find PM'ing a waste of time anyway. Most people are more likely to check their email than their PM's. Plus the fact that many people have instant messengers and email alert programs grabbing you by the balls and yelling at them each time they recieve a mail then that just increases the chance of you being heard.

If people want you to contact them they will open their email, if not... they dont want you!

Just my few shillings worth

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 22:11
I dont put my email up here, or my messenger tag, but I wouldn't mind a PM system. *shrugs* I'd rather my email was for things other than DB (and not ripped out from somewhere and spammed even more) - a place for everything, and everything in it's place. I come to the forum for programming based stuff - if nothing else, I'd put PMs in the same category as forum-browsing time, and not intrude on my other time. If you see what I mean.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 22:17
Well, with Gmail you can disable it, or block people. I would personally keep it enabled, but anyone could certainly turn it off. I think that it's just a nice option.


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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 22:45
TinkerGirl: Yeah I guess I do...I normally use Gmail's filters though to make sure that, as an email arrives,it is labeled as a message from the forum and is archived.

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Les Horribres
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Posted: 19th Jul 2006 09:07
Quote: "I dont put my email up here, or my messenger tag, but I wouldn't mind a PM system. *shrugs* I'd rather my email was for things other than DB (and not ripped out from somewhere and spammed even more) "


That is why you make multiple email accounts and have 1 special one that you keep to yourself. Granted the only issue with my email is that I never check it. *shrug* well I do get less spam now-a-days, if I get too much I just get another account somewhere.

A PM system would be very hard to manage, and as proven, hard to filter. The best system is what is already setup. Public email accounts designed to be spammed by other members, and deleted at lesure.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2006 09:26
Quote: "A PM system would be very hard to manage, and as proven, hard to filter."


Why do you guys think PM's have to be moderated. After all they are Private Messages. They shouldn't be moderated unless you report that someone is sending you crap you don't want. All you need to do is allow for certain users to be blocked if they bother you or not. Moderators really should have no part in PM's in my opinion.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2006 09:32
Well lets see... types a reply "oh, that is great"
*PM spams intense hate mail, racist unjust crap*

Besides, TGC takes the stand that there are minors on these boards and that Minors need not be subjected to unsuitable material. It is like you can't POST porn but being able to PM it underrules the system.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2006 09:39 Edited at: 19th Jul 2006 09:42
You give the users options, such as... allowing/disallowing pictures, blocking certain users, language filters. If the user is a minor maybe just disallow pictures altogether, if they lie about their age then it's their fault. If someone is receiving hate mail or racist crap, then all they gotta do is bump the block user button and hit the report user button, then the mods can look the PMs over and decided what to do about the unruly user. Its quite simple really...

Edit: No one is stopping JoeSchmoe from posting a porno topic right now. Sure it will be deleted and he'll likely be banned, but mr.12yearold might be the first to click on the topic, really you can't stop it from happening anyhow.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2006 11:48
I have friends who know my email address from over 8 years ago - there's no way I'm changing my email because it's become spam infested. I have friends that I don't even have the email addresses for who can still dig out my email address if they want to find me again. Companies I'm on file for with that email address.

Generally, I don't want to lose all the contacts that I have (even if I've temporarily lost touch with).

Having multiple email addresses is all well and good, but I'd never remember them. There's my usual email for real things, and a mailinator one for stupid forms and "we'll never send you anything, honest guvnor" signups.

I also agree with Agent Dink, that as long as you can report an abusive PM, and that PMs are only available to those who have passed the newbie-period on the forums, then there's not really much of a difference between that and the forums - except all the thread hijacks where people start having a wee natter about something random might go away.

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Quote: "Quote: "A PM system would be very hard to manage, and as proven, hard to filter."

Why do you guys think PM's have to be moderated. After all they are Private Messages. They shouldn't be moderated unless you report that someone is sending you crap you don't want. All you need to do is allow for certain users to be blocked if they bother you or not. Moderators really should have no part in PM's in my opinion."

Easy solution just have a button like the one here. An abuse reporting button!


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Posted: 20th Jul 2006 07:04
The issue is prevental. A person can PM spam the entire board if willing and the moderators will have no knowledge of this (provided they weren't spammed) the point of moderation is to limit the exposure to obscene material.

You see it as well if there is abuse then tell about it. Look at it differently. Would you prefer a crime to be commited and the person aprehended, or for no crime to have been committed at all? Besides that, crime can occur without any knowlege of the inflicted party. Any person on this board can very well be a pedophile, and in some cases the gathering of information can be done so slyly that only an outside party might reconize it for what it is.


I am not saying that a PM system wouldn't be great. I just believe I have some level of understanding on why TGC would be against it. It isn't really about what will happen, but what can happen. TGC has some kind of responsibility for what happens on this forum, what happens publicly and privatly. If their forum is used with malintention, it is my belief that they would blame themselves for it.

At least that is what I percieved durring my time here. I might be wrong, and I do not deny that.

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This is why some of the more seasoned programmers should get together on IRC and discuss the creation of an actual time slot for help. A small website could be made showing what helper should be on at what time, maybe a contact email for the helper if they aren't online, and that's that. People log into the darkbasic channel, PM a helper, and get their help. Ofcourse the system would require a lot more than 3 or 4 oldbies, as Im sure people have lives and dont always feel like going on IRC to help others all day long. Either that or there should be scheduled monthly-help days, maybe on the same day the news letter comes out, where as many helpers get on the darkbasic channel as possible to help newcommer's with their problems, from morning to night.


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Merranvo... Why would TGC allow us to post our e-mail addresses then. Anyone could just grab my e-mail address and spam me with crap I don't want... And guess what. Its even less safe since I didn't have the option to block this user, report them to TGC so they can dish out due punishment, or block images... Its all the same thing. PM's are actually IMHO safer, faster, and far easier. And if we are given the option to hide our PM button, then its completely safe.

I come to this forum and I'm logged in and ready to go with the wonderful never log me out feature. To get into my email I have to log in, go to my inbox, go to individual folders, and with dial up its a pain in the butt. I hate using e-mail. If we had PM's after getting to this forum, I see I have 2 messages, how easy to click that and they are both right there in front of my eyes.

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Posted: 21st Jul 2006 03:40
There is a difference there. You WILLINGLY post your email, and the email system is an outside influence. THEY don't have control over your email, but the DO have control over your forum actions.

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In my opinion, saying that we shouldn't have PM's because a few people will misuse it is like saying we shouldn't drive because a few people drink while doing it. The advantages outweigh the disadvantages .

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Posted: 21st Jul 2006 04:19
Abuse Button?
Think....

Situation without Abuse button
Member A recieves a PM from another forum memeber. The sender is really abusive, mean and offensive the Reciver is greatly distressed he deletes the message but is upset that the sender can net me brought to justice! Or he could write an equally abusive message!

Now a situation with an abuse reporting button!

Situation with Abuse buton
Member A recieves a PM from another forum memeber. The sender is really abusive, mean and offensive the Reciver is greatly distressed. He clicks the report message as a abuse button and a message is sent to TGC. Upon reading it they noob slap, ban or do what ever they have to do to the abusive sender. The reciver walks away feeling that someone mean and offensive has been brought to justice!

Not bad heh!


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or...

have a "Ban" button when reading a PM that will allow you to block further messages from the sender. The sender when trying to message you again will recieve a message that he has been banned. If the abuser recieves enough bans, he is automatically brought to the attention of the mods, who can take further action.

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Posted: 21st Jul 2006 10:41
Perfect! Problem solvered!




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So has Rich seen this thread?

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Posted: 24th Jul 2006 19:42
either no, or he's ignoring it

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