Hobgoblin, you're in for a treat bud
Quote: "Just because someone is not a great public speaker says nothing about their intelligence"
THE MAN WAVED AT STEVIE WONDER. Yes, WAVED, as reported by the Washington Post and then confirmed by about a dozen eye-witnesses including members of Bush's own staff. That's not the mark of a true moron?
Quote: "You and I have no in at the whitehouse and the presidents daily briefings as far as I know, how can you possibly state that as fact."
I can state that as a fact because it is one. Bush has extremely private meetings. He has had multiple people who've disagreed with him ushered out of the room during said meetings. Dozens of people who have been part of those meetings, including Colin Powell, have all said that he only really listens to the people who whole-heartedly agree with him. He's one of the most fiercely private Presidents in U.S. history. Clinton's office was more laid back, even Reagan's and the first Bush's meetings were, but for whatever reason, G.W. Bush doesn't like to have open discussions on most topics, especially the war in Iraq.
Quote: "News flash, he is not the first or last, many peoples moral beliefs come from their religion. He is not a judge, the presidency carries no decree to be impartial."
There's a
huge difference. Bush lets his religious beliefs drive him to conclusions like "hmm, maybe we should overturn Roe vs. Wade," and drives him to say such moronic things as "The jury is still out on evolution" (umm, I'm pretty sure the Jury of the Scopes Trial has been out since 1925 or 1926). A great quote:
"There's a fundamental difference between how Bush uses god and how Lincoln used god. When Lincoln had a problem, he'd ask god for help. When Bush has a problem, God speaks to him."
- Former Governor of NY Mario Cuomo (D) on
Real Time with Bill Maher
Quote: "Wow! I can't believe he did that, you mean a politician granted positions to his friends, family, or those he owed political favors to instead of to the most qualified. I can't believe this has never been done before. Oh, wait, it has, by nearly every darn politician in history."
There's an ENORMOUS difference between Clinton assigning his friends to the role of "Travel Secretary" and other meaningless positions of power, and Bush assigning the likes of Michael Brown to the head of FEMA. A monkey from the afforementioned Scopes Trial could point that out
Quote: "Simply untrue rhetoric, a conservative has to cut programs for the poor right? Read the budget breakdown for the years he has been in office, I posted the link before and emailed it too you when you made this same ridiculous claim."
I beg to differ. Education has dwindled while he's been president. "No child left behind" has left THOUSANDS of children behind. In fact, he's decreased education spending more than any President since Woodrow Wilson, although I got that from the NY Times and I'll admit they don't like Bush/ possibly hate him more than I do even (and that would be a feat). My aunt Penny, a social worker in Brooklyn, said that while Bush has been President her department has been constantly getting budget cut after budget cut, and "between Bush and Bloomberg the letter 'B' is making more people poor than any other letter." (one of my favorite quotes, she has such a poetically humorous way of putting stuff lol)
Quote: "Seeing that he named them to the Axis of Evil, I would not say he is ignoring the threat, and Korean delivery systems could not get a missile here unless they launched it from a raft in the middle of the ocean, the threat of attack is against Japan. "
Hmm...
They could do it in 2003, as multiple news organizations back then said.
ABC and
Fox News were the most worried about it as I recall. If they could do it in 2003, why couldn't they do it today?
Quote: "The problem came when he continued to lie once he was under oath, perjury is serious and is no example for our elected officials to set. As for Bush, if he is as stupid as you continue to claim he is then he must have been duped by others. Right? He went with the information he had, if the information was bogus, incomplete, or correct time will be his judge."
Time has ALREADY been his judge. He had a report HANDED TO HIM before 9/11 that outlined what was going to happen that day called "Osama Bin Laden plans to attack inside the United States" and he didn't even LOOK AT IT, so don't talk about how he goes on information he has, because time has already proven that he's incapable of that. Illegal wiretapping, the entire bulk of the Patriot Act, waging war because he feels like it... sorry, but Clinton lying while under oath is NOTHING compared to the Haneous (with a capital H) crimes that Bush has perpetrated while in office. What's the prison sentence for rigging an election btw?
Quote: "If you live in a small town and a Wal-Mart moves in you have two choices, support your local buisnesses or feed the corporate machine to save a couple of bucks"
Jeku and I have argued over this countless times, I'll say the same thing here as I did then: Most Americans... most people really... don't think about economic impacts while buying toilet paper and shampoo. They say "oh, look at the savings!" because Wal-Mart can sell products at far lower prices than smaller local businesses because they're bigger and can buy in larger bulk quantities. They leave these smaller businesses with two distinct options: Sell products at prices so low that they're losing money on every sale, inevitably going out of business down the road in bankruptcy, or closing up shop altogether to avoid a fiscal nightmare. There's nothing noble or honorable about what Wal-Mart does. But as Jeku puts it in other words, "it's just big business."
Quote: "As for Guns and ammo, they are no more inheritantly violent than a baseball bat, it is all in how the item is used"
I think a gun can do more damage than a baseball bat. Anyway... they sell guns and ammo and baseball bats and more, but they edit violent entertainment (or don't sell it at all), and every bit of research ever conducted shows that the only way video games can induce violence is if your buddy uses it as a coaster
Quote: "I cannot prove it without a complete, honest census of every person in the US, and neither can you"
I've seen it with my own two eyes. I can find dozens of people who've seen the same thing. YOU could see the same thing, too, if you feel like joining me for a Greyhound trip along the same exact route that I took to Orlando Florida and back. It's subtle and it wasn't constant, but I saw enough of it to be disturbed, and it was the first time I'd ever seen racism in my entire life (except in the third grade when this kid called me a "zebra" because I have a white dad and a black mom... but he had his butt thoroughly kicked for that lol)
Quote: "An interesting Fact(not an opinion) over time no Democracy has lasted and every one of them was replaced by a dictatorship."
Depends on how you view certain acts in history. Rome and Greece weren't really democracies as we view them today, they were more democratic republics, a bunch of city-states that extended global control (not global as in planetary, global as in they reached out further than the city's walls... I'm sure you know that Hobgoblin if you studied history but others might have been confused by that). Anyway, Our government, a constitutional republic, has never really been tested in history so we can't rightly say what will come of it without broad generalizations about former democracies, none of which shared the same form as we do.
But I think we're on the verge of a dictatorship (and some would say we're under one right now).
Quote: "The day Bush got elected, my wife (who is a Sergeant First Class in the Army) said that within 2 years we would go to war with Iraq."
I famously (famous to my friends anyway) predicted that Bush would be at war with Iraq within one year while doing a radio broadcast... so I was off by a little bit.
Quote: "You know alot of people pick on Matt (its fun right), but when he says something is crap he gives you the reasons why he thinks its crap."
I don't know if I should be insulted, honored, or a fine blend of both lol.
Quote: "Pretty hard."
And what kind of music did you listen to at the time (trust me, I'm going somewhere with this)
"In an interstellar burst, I'm back to save the universe"
