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Geek Culture / Mother has own son arrested for opening Christmas gift early

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Jeku
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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 21:15
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Originally I thought, "Oh, what a crazy mother!". But now I kind of agree with her

http://www.nbc30.com/holidays/10467838/detail.html

I remember sneaking in my parent's room when I was a kid, with my sister, and opening our gifts then re-wrapping them. Risky!

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I didn't agree with her at all until the end. It serves him right. Someone has to knock some reality into his cranium.

Quote: "12-year-old"

Quote: "27-year-old mother "


She had a kid when she was 15?

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Sounds like bad parenting to me. When a kid is only 12, the influences of the schools, city, and environment aren't too significant, IMO, because the kid isn't (or shouldnt be) very independant. Therefore, if the kid is a liability and trouble maker, than its only the family to blame. Calling the cops won't help. She needs to learn how to be a parent.


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Punched a police officer, at 12?

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Ha Ha Merry CHristmas bucko. If I were the mother with these types of problems I would let him know the gift is now being donated to charity and he can have the empty box. I suppose the behavior problems could be the fact that she must have been only 15 when she had him so had not grown up herself.

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Quote: "She had a kid when she was 15? "

Sounds like it runs in the Family - 63 for a great grandmother? Jesus....


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Quote: "Sounds like it runs in the Family - 63 for a great grandmother? Jesus...."


Great grand mother of a 12 year old at that, so she was 51 when she became a great grandma. Looks like she could be a great-great grandma at 66 they way they are going.

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I have to admit I was rolling my eyes all though that story right up until the end. Given the boy's inclination to disobaying rules the move was prob a good one. But there is obviously something seriously wrong going on there, I knew a number of familys growing up in the valleys that where like that, kids totally out of control, and it does need to be caught before it totally spirals out of control.


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Quote: "Sounds like it runs in the Family - 63 for a great grandmother?"


That's common in my family

Aunt and uncle had a kid when they were 15, her kid had one when she was 15, so they were grandparents at 30. Not saying I condone it, but that kind of thing happens all the time

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The grandmother was disgusted when she heard she was pregnant...the father wasn't even related.



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I thought it was insane at first, but hey you gotta teach a rotten egg lessons, even if the charge is insane.

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They shouldn't have even bought the GBA for him in the first place.

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That kid sounds like my brother, who gets in trouble with the police, over and over, and doesnt learn. Hes also having a kid, with a 14 year old, which is really messed up.

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...nice...

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Quote: "Hes also having a kid, with a 14 year old"


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Quote: "Hes also having a kid, with a 14 year old"

That does not compute


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Quote: "She said he has shoplifted, stolen money from her, punched a police officer and is nearing expulsion from school."


Why didn't he get arrested for these things in the first place? I think assualting a police officer is a federal crime anyway.

They should hire a ninja to kick his ass into shape.

Or boot camp.

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Erm... That site is like... Who the heck would fall for that?

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I thought the whole thing was mad. I was orginally going to say "Americas police force was insane" until I read the bit about punching police, shoplifiting, etc... I have sort of changed my mind. But really arrestting a child for opening his Christmas present early...


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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1205062xmas1.html

does that incident report say it's a Playstation Gameboy

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Quote: "They shouldn't have even bought the GBA for him in the first place."


Exactly. The little punk doesn't deserve it.

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The reason he's a punk is because of his parents. What kind of lesson do you teach a kid if you say:

"If you don't give it back I'll call the cops."

(the kid gives the present back)

"Ok I'm calling the cops."

You teach the kid that you are a lier.
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Um, the kid didn't give the present back willfully

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It was a little ridiculous up till they talked about his past problems. Still a bit overboard.

Ok, I'm not a parent, and I'm sure I won't be for at least a few years from now... But is it really that hard to raise a kid? I can't even imagine having a kid who would turn out half as bad as that kid. It just seems like an easy task to raise a kid well. I've grown up with 4 siblings below me though, so I guess that is part of the reason I think that way. I'm sure every parent thinks the same thing though until they come to the hurdle of actually having a kid. I dunno...

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lol I was just coming onto TGC to report this exact same story, but with CNN as the source. It's nutty imo. Seems like a fairly drastic measure... any good parent should have just taken the kid's presents away, or at least that's what my parents would have done in this situation.


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Quote: "The reason he's a punk is because of his parents. What kind of lesson do you teach a kid if you say:

"If you don't give it back I'll call the cops."

(the kid gives the present back)

"Ok I'm calling the cops.""


That is rather a bad example, if conditioning works, then his mother should learn a thing or two about it, if he does what she wants him to do then you don't punish him for doing it...it doesn't make any logical sense. The mother part to blame, she should have taught him better, so it didn't come to the extent of her having to call the police just to teach him a lesson, as he should already know the lesson.

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I think she's totally to blame because she raised him in that way. If a child gets told if they don't behave they'll get spanked... and he/she never gets spanked they know there's no penalty for misbehaving. The child will continue to push the limits with not just the parent but any adult. Spare the rod and you spoil the child.
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I kinda agree with grog exept SPANKING IS ILLEGAL!

they should like only be allowed out for school or banned from something that they use alot like my parents do

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Surely that kids problems had to come from bad parenting, though part of it may have not been her fault. for instance, i didn't see anything about a father being present. Nothing like your dad to knock some sense into you

Quote: "I kinda agree with grog exept SPANKING IS ILLEGAL!"

where did you hear that?

surely beating a child abusively is illegal, but grog wasn't suggesting that.

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Well its against the law if you leave a lasting mark

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Spanking is not the same as punching. A spank is a slap, not a punch, a slap only leaves a red mark, which goes, a punch will leave a bruse.

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What about a kick? When I have a kids, I'd want to kick them, really hard. Why? You ask, well a psychopathic sadist has to have a hobby you know.

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In the US spanking will get social services called on you, it's generally frowned on, though I have no idea if it's technically illegal..

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Almost burst out laughing when I saw this in the paper. A real classic, glad my parents were never that insane when I was that age.

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Quote: "In the US spanking will get social services called on you, it's generally frowned on, though I have no idea if it's technically illegal.."


I know there's a drive on civilised countries towards a wholesome society where there's not room for corporal punishment. And it all will be good.

But as long as kids are totally arbitrary and unruly like my daughter is sometimes, I'm all for a good slap to bring things into perspective. That never did me any harm when I was growing up and I see no reason to change that now the shoe is on the other foot.

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well im now real confused but i think the first i said was correct

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I've never heard the idea that spanking is illegal in the US, I don't think that's true.

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Quote: "I've never heard the idea that spanking is illegal in the US, I don't think that's true"


It's not. But many people will construe it as abuse and report you I.E. a neighbor sees you spanking a child through your window or something.

Quote: ""Spare the rod, spoil the child""


Totally agree with you there.

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Quote: "In the US spanking will get social services called on you, it's generally frowned on, though I have no idea if it's technically illegal"

Does anyone else in the states remember that lady who beat the crap out of her kid in the parking lot of a store? It was on national news and whatnot... whatever happened to her? If she was arrested, it's illegal, if she had her kids taken away, it's just frowned upon . I think for it to be illegal though it has to qualify as (n)degree assault of a minor, or maybe child negligence or something like that.


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Yeah Peter H is right. I didn't mean it like that. Spanking must be done when you're not angry too. Many people spank when their mad and that's when it can turn into abuse. You explain to the child what they did wrong then spank them.
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lol, that's mean.

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LOL that's evil. Absolutely hilarious but evil nonetheless I'll have to keep that one in mind if I get kids and they're acting up


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Now that's just plain mean

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OMG.......do anybody use codoms anymore?????

Quote: "Quote: "Sounds like it runs in the Family - 63 for a great grandmother? Jesus...."

Great grand mother of a 12 year old at that, so she was 51 when she became a great grandma. Looks like she could be a great-great grandma at 66 they way they are going."

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I'm thinking this kid might have a neurological problem (ADD/H comes to mind...), anyways, this is clearly bad parenting.
If the mother is so concerned, why not taking the kid to a shrink?
I mean, why bother buying the toy if the kid is misbehaving in the first place?
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hold on a minute...

First question (bit of a dumb arse one to be honest but...) is that Ninja site for real?

Second question, how can they make smacking illegal. If they did, kids would have nothing to fear, I am 14 myself, and if our teachers at school were allowed to cane the kids I bet we would learn a great deal more.

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