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Nicholas Thompson
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Eureka - do you mean an Ad Word or setup AdSense?

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Quote: "Eureka - do you mean an Ad Word or setup AdSense?"


Both involve money and as has already been said money makes things very complicated.


I think all websites need to link back to the webring, its only fair. However there is no way for us to patrol all the sites making sure they are...

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You could check each site for a link.

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Posted: 7th Jan 2007 16:18 Edited at: 8th Jan 2007 12:49
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I agree with Eureka, all you need to do is look at each site every fortnight or so to see if they link back. Only if the webring becomes amazingly huge will checking for links back become an impossibility.

Quote: "So that's the final webring location?"

The final webring location is going to be http://www.tgcwebring.info, hopefully it will be ready sometime soon

Also, the following sites have not got a link back It would be much appreciated if you could do so in the near future...

http://www.thingy-ma-jig.co.uk/
http://www.robinsgames.com/

http://3dtitans.50webs.com/ (Does anybody know if they are forum members?)
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Quote: "http://www.automatongames.com/"


Alright, go ahead and remove me from the list as I didn't ask anyone to put me there in the first place

I would rather not be adding links to my site just to be changing them every 5 days. I'll formally request to be added once the final site is up. Thanks.

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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 08:23 Edited at: 9th Jan 2007 03:12
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Alrighty, so we've agreed that as well as first submission, any edited changes also need to first be 'approved' before going live.

Josh, with regards to the links, that's fine, I was only suggesting one possible way.
And besides, your way is more extensible

The link back should definitely be compulsory - It is, after all, a web-ring not free advertisement as Matt said.

Eureka, Like has been stated already, advertising would bring in the issue of money which can quickly get out of hand. So to avoid the whole issue, we've side-stepped it by effectively banning anything that requires, or earns, money

[EDIT2]Whoops, I don't mean banning users sites that have to do with money, I mean banning the involvement of money to get the TGC Webring site itself functioning!
I should have worded that better, sorry!
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Gaming, My site (jt0.org) has a link-back on every page It's on the right, just above the 'Get Firefox with Google' image-link. [EDIT] Infact, I had that image-link there before I even posted it here... [/EDIT]

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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 11:04 Edited at: 8th Jan 2007 11:17
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Jeku, OK I've removed you from the list.

Jess, I can't see it , on my computer there's just a blank space above the Firefox link.

edit: I solved the problem, your link to the webring only appears if you're using Firefox. Because I was on IE7 a moment ago the image didn't appear on screen
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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 11:20
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It doesn't work in IE7..?

That's odd - It works fine in IE6.
Damn it, when will MS just conform to the standards and stick with it!? Bastards...

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I've put it in the Links Section of our forums for now, until I can get around to integrating it with our main site.

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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 18:24
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Quote: "banning anything that requires, or earns, money"


So I couldn't link a site that has my games for sale?

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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 18:45
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no, no, no - he means using ads on the webring....

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Quote: "banning anything that requires, or earns, money"

If that's the case, then you can go ahead and pull Ozark Games off the list.



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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 03:17
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Whoops, I don't mean banning users sites that have to do with money, I mean banning the involvement of money to get the TGC Webring site itself functioning!
I should have worded that better, sorry!

Users sites that make money are most certainly allowed! It could be assumed that they would have more visitors, and as such bring more traffic to other area's of the webring

Money just becomes an issue for us as the organizers of the webring since we would have to work out payments for who's done what, and who should fork out some money here or there to pay for this or that...
The only money spent so far was by my own will, without expectation of any compensation to pay for the domain name - US$2.45 (Hahaha)

Again, sorry for the confusion

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 03:26
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Aside from that, I was thinking of some more strict and specific rules regarding the link-back to the webring...

Some points that may need to be addressed:
* We will give you the link-back HTML that you include in your site, but it is not necessary to use it - Modify it as much as you like, but it must still link back to the webring in one form or another.
* We can provide for you a "Previous/Next Site" link to place on your site - It is recommended (but not compulsory) that this sits near the link-back to the webring, or along with the footer of every page.
* The link (back and Previous/Next) must be visible and not be obscured by or within close proximity to paid advertisements.
* Clicking the link-back or Previous/Next must not induce any pop-up or pop-under paid advertisements.


... That's all I can think of right now

Also, how're people thinking about colours?
I was thinking along the lines of fitting in with the new Gallery

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 21:54 Edited at: 9th Jan 2007 21:55
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You could use frames to provide the "Previous site", "Next site link".

For example, 321 webmaster uses frames when you click on one of their links

http://www.321webmaster.com/goto.php?listing=14396

You could have something like that at the top of the page containing all of the necessary links.
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@ GC:

Frames are nasty and majorly out of date. Plus they don't work on mobile browsers (Mobile, PDA, etc). "Frames are so 90's!" lol

I used frames in my first attempt at the web ring site cos it was just a tech demo.

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I agree. Frames are no-nos.

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 09:58
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Quote: "Frames are no-nos"

Quote: "Frames are nasty and majorly out of date"


Its funny hearing people say that... Every tool has its use. FRAMES used to be used to control layout but tend not to be anymore since the seperation of content and presentation... However Frames are still used in the form of IFRAME's; Google Adsense uses IFrames, Digg use Frames to embed the Digg This button onto external sites and many other people use them too!
Sometimes, people use IFrames for content they dont want indexed on their site - something to do with SE Bot's not being able to read them properly I think.

An IFrame with a simple bit of HTML could work well and wouldn't be out of date at all - could even be very Web 2.0.

The DISADVANTAGE is that, as SE's cant read the IFrame, it means we wont get many registered incoming links to the site and therefore it wont register as high (incoming links are important, hence blogs getting scoured a lot on the net, they tend to be the first to link to stuff directly).

Personally I'd go for an IFrame approach...

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SE and ease aside - I wouldn't like to see frames.

Just a simple bit of Copy + Paste HTML that we provide each user with based on their unique sign-up id which can be put anywhere on their page and be styled to fit nicely by themselves

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 18:06 Edited at: 10th Jan 2007 18:07
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I agree with Jess on this one. The whole idea of this is for SE to index the webring and all websites in the ring. iFrames will just block this, the examples you've given are fine because they are not things that SE spiders have to index. Anyway AJAX is the way to go now.

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Quote: "Anyway AJAX is the way to go now"

Here here!

I think we should do all possible to get this ring advertised. So, if that means removing a feature that's not really needed, so be it. We want this ring to give hits, not allow people to browse our ring like TV. (Well, it would be a nice feature, but I would find that pretty boring).

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Posted: 11th Jan 2007 10:26
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Quote: "Anyway AJAX is the way to go now"

Please tell me you're not one of those people who use a technology for the sake of using a technology?

Dont get me wrong - AJAX has some fantastic uses... But its not a solution to everything

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I have to disagree with you there Josh, AJAX has its uses, and can be quite a nice feature for certain elements, but in our case, it's overkill when simple HTML will suffice

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heh I wouldn't dream of using AJAX for such a simple project, no worries there. I'm not really fluent enough in AJAX to be able to make good use of it just yet anyway.

Even so, using old technologies can be just as bad as using ones that are ' too new'.

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True - Drupal 5 has jQuery integrated into it quite neatly. Makes using Javascript much easier. AFAIK jQuery is basically an API which you use that stands between you and the many versions of javascript out there. This means you write your code once with no need to say "if IE5 do this, if IE6 do this, if Firefox do this, etc". They use it for some pretty cool stuff - like a nifty colour picker built into the default theme. Drupal 5 is up to RC2 and should, in theory, be a final release within a couple of weeks. RC1 -> RC2 was about 4 weeks and they fixed a few critical bugs - but most are now ironed out I think (2 beta's and 2 RC's).

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Well, I say go with whatever works.

(yes... This is a bump)

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We can start to get things moving as soon as I get access to the server. In a few days we can also do a poll to decide which system to build the site on, I also have one or two other questions that can be asked in the same poll...

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I'm also fine with whatever works best, I'm not exactly a web design expert (I wouldn't have suggested frames if I was )

Nicholas Thompson, would you be able to put a link back to the webring on your site (Thing-ma-jig)? It would be good for the webring if you did and also a while back we decided it should be compulsary for the benefit of the webring. After all, its unfair if people don't link back like other people and get free advertising

I should really have taken the sites off the list that haven't linked back by now but I'm too busy with Statistics coursework
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Quote: "I should really have taken the sites off the list that haven't linked back by now but I'm too busy with Statistics coursework"


heh I remember the days when I had to do stats c/w and I hated it! So glad I've finished my stats course.

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Quote: "heh I remember the days when I had to do stats c/w and I hated it! So glad I've finished my stats course. "


What's a stats course?

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Statistics, I did it at GCSE level.

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Stats = Statistics.. A Maths module.

I'll chuck a link up now.

EDIT: Done - its in the right menu

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You could have a randomizer on the webring site (like on my welcome page) which starts at a random site, and then goes through them in order from there. That way, everybodies site will get a chance to be on the main page. Otherwise, whichever sites are at the top, will get many more views than the others. eg. If the default order is A-Z then aardvark.com(Example website) will get ten times as many views than any other.

Also, a search feature would be good!


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Nicholas, Thanks for linking back
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I put a link back on my personal site too

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Thanks robin
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I guess I'll switch to the image link back too. Since everyone else is

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Is there some way I could make the link-back image bigger, but without losing image quality? It's tiny compared to everything else on my site... while trying to not be too annoying, can I make a request for a few different webring images of various sizes? That way we could have link-back images that fit various color schemes and design styles. Just an idea


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Different sized links for the webring sounds like a good idea, I'd definately allow it

Woo I've handed in my stats coursework so now I can once again focus completely on stuff like the webring!
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The image is just a very simple set of colours with a gradient applied.

The DB logo is just the one that is on the 'Launch' DBPro exe.

I can make some more maybe on monday if you want, but now I have to run!

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@ Jess:

I've sent you an email! The server is ready!

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Quote: "The server is ready!
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Hooray!
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Unfortunately, I've had to take 3d Titans off the list for failing to link back (even after emailing them asking them to put one on)...

I'm going to be less harsh on Reaper Studios for the moment because it's only been on for a little while, but if the person who owns the site (I think it's the Wilderbeast) reads this, then please could you put the link on.

Anyway, on the positive side I think your site randomizer is cool Diggsey It's a great idea and could easily be used to randomly feature one of the sites at the top of the page. The best bit is that sites who are low on the list in every single category still have a chance to get hits this way.
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Quote: "I can make some more maybe on monday if you want"

I'd like that, thank you! No rush or anything, I've been bogged down with a lengthy project list lately and haven't been paying my website proper attention, hehe.

Quote: "The server is ready!"

Awesome! I can't wait for the next phase of development to begin. It feels like we've been working on this concept and planning it and stuff for a decade. Not that I should be one to talk, lol, all I've really done was help get the basic idea rolling. But I'll probably end up being a moderator... hopefully I'll be able to make up for my lack of applicable website desvelopment talent then


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Ah! After some teething problems I've pretty much got Coders Turf up and running as it was before. I'm going to setup a poll in the next few days to get things moving along here.

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Josh - aside from the fact you've use tables for layout (i think most people know how i feel about that ), that's a nice design you have for that site. I really like the spikey grass in front of the site logo. I also like the way you've themed phpBB to flow with the main site - not many people bother!

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heh thanks for the compliment!

It's like marmite, some people love the design, others hate it. I used tables as I started coding CT a couple of years ago before I'd learnt much CSS. If I was to re-do it I'd use pure CSS.

The actual theme was designed by BlinkOK, although its not 100% finished yet.

Quote: "you've themed phpBB to flow with the main site"


Blasphemy! Simple Machines Forum all the way!!

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Quote: "Blasphemy! Simple Machines Forum all the way!!"

Now you mention it - you're right... They just looked uncannily like phpBB at first glance

Although I have to say there is something with that layout which really bogs Firefox2 down on my work machine. Its REALLY slow to scroll some pages... Still nicely integrated though.

Its also refreshing to see an external forum linked with this forum that isn't dead!

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Yeah it was slow on my old box, but as most coders have modern computers so there shouldn't be any problems. The biggest problem with the integration is when I need to upgrade the forum software, as the upgrades break my customisations.

Quote: "Its also refreshing to see an external forum linked with this forum that isn't dead!"


lol well that's debatable. Now I have a decent server setup I can finish off the Coders Turf Project Manager! The first ALPHA tester has been invited to take a look...

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Thanks, I only just started learning a bit of javascript, from examples off the internet, so that was one of the first things I made.


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