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Geek Culture / commodore returns as a hardware gaming box

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indi
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Posted: 7th Mar 2007 13:05 Edited at: 14th Mar 2007 09:11
Kevin Picone
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Posted: 7th Mar 2007 13:39 Edited at: 21st Apr 2011 09:37
Richard Davey
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Posted: 7th Mar 2007 14:04
I was reading this last night and was just - what's the point? It's not like they can do anything 'new' or 'different'. A PC is a PC. I don't care if they stick it in a funky case or slap a Commodore logo on it, it's still a PC.

The things that made the Commodore machines great were not the hardware dseigns so much, but the OS / custom chips / architecture. Now if they were making a really decent version of Workbench - that'd be cool. Heck, the original Workbench/AmigaOS could do some freaking amazing things, well beyond what Windows could do for YEARS, and some may argue still even can't.

This is nothing more than marketing imho. Not much different to Infogrames slapping the Atari logo on the start of their games - it doesn't mean squat anymore.

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Posted: 7th Mar 2007 15:04
What was great about the Amiga is that it could do computery things, with a keyboard and mouse and writing stuff, but everyone's computer (or 99% of them) were exactly the same, so stuff tended to work.
If commodore could bring standardisation to PCs, that would be cool, but i doubt it.


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Posted: 7th Mar 2007 15:05
I agree with Rich.

My summary of this new idea:

guru meditation error 3148341414891419##

I'd even draw the big red flashing box that used to come up on the Amigas, except I can't be bothered to do so.

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Posted: 7th Mar 2007 15:08 Edited at: 21st Apr 2011 09:38
Even back in the C64/Amiga days, C= also had fairly large PC compatible division. Yeah, today it's clearly a branding exercise. They obviously think it's easier to breath life back into a old (nostalgic) brand name than introduce a totally new one. I don't blame them.

Whoever owns the C+ name today, doesn't own Amiga/OS side though. That was sold off separately many moons ago.

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Posted: 8th Mar 2007 14:37
I learned programming on a C64...
Its older than I am

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I started on an Abacus. I didn't like it because it kept crashing and besides, I kept getting "out of beads at wooden line 3" errors.

The operating system was quite good though. It was called fingers and a brain.

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Posted: 8th Mar 2007 16:08
I remember seeing that good old C= on PC's advertised in catalogues a few years ago (probably more like 15 years ago really), sounds like the same thing.

I'm all for the oldbie manufacturers getting their hands dirty, but not like this!. How about a portable Amiga, like the GP2X but for Commodore stuff - right now a lot of ex-Amiga users are in a prime age group of 30-40, there could be a lot of market for portable retro gaming, and the Amiga could do so much, and could be doing so much. We're always gonna need 2D art, we're always gonna need tracker music - there's surely a niche that could be filled. A nice big touch screen amiga with stylus for example, loaded with DPaint - I'd love something like that - I'd BUY something like that, I wouldn't buy a PC just because it has a retro logo on it.

Emulation is great, I love it, but it's not ideal - trying to play StyxDS, the ST emulator for the NDS (getting this Rich) falls about 8 miles short.
I love Captive, if I had to go to a desert island that would be the 1 disc I'd bring. Now the whole idea is that your a prisoner armed only with a laptop computer, and you have control of these 4 robots, and the game is a lot like Dungeon Master, except hardcore, lots of enemies and weapons and stuff like that. So imagine my disapointment with playing it through Styx. The NDS touch screen could have made the game amazing, like the sort of thing you could sell all over again, 17 years down the line they could sell this, just by letting you move by tapping the keys on the DS screen. A proper DS interface for it would be great, but Styx on the DS with it's touch screen should have been plenty. Nope. You can't just tap an area of screen and have it register as a mouseclick, that would be too cool and convenient, instead you use a fake touchpad, like on a cheap Dell laptop you get this little box to drag your stylus around to make minor movements of the mouse. Pathetic.

Games like Captive on a good sized screen but still portable could be an industry in it's own right - targetting adult gamers who like portability, privacy, and classic straightforward gameplay - point and click adventures, dungeon adventures, RPG's, text adventures, business simulation games, gambling games... There's market potential out there for this stuff, and the Amiga is a great platform for it - but they'd rather play with badges (we don't need no stinking badges!).

If anyone says Tablet PC I'll stab them - anyone here ever tried being portable with a laptop unless they absolutely had to? - it might sit atop your lap, but it's still a PC, your still gonna roast your chestnuts before the thing boots up, it's still gonna be slow, and it still can't take a punch.

Sorry, rant over, see this is why I'm not allowed a PA system.


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Posted: 8th Mar 2007 18:09
Thanks to those fine folks for ruining another fond memory from my past.
The name Commodore used to mean something.
It's a sad,sad day.

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Posted: 8th Mar 2007 18:26
Why? What's wrong with them cashing in on the name brand, even if it's just a regular IBM-compatible PC?

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Posted: 8th Mar 2007 23:00
I read that article last night and didn't see any details or anything that showed a "real" commodore was coming back.

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Posted: 8th Mar 2007 23:50
Ah, the ease and simplicity of workbench, how I miss my old Amiga 2000. However I believe it should be left in the past. A PC can be built by anyone, I built mine 10 years ago and have been upgrading ever since. If they are going to offer something new then excellent though I do suspect that it just a marketing ploy.
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Posted: 9th Mar 2007 00:06 Edited at: 9th Mar 2007 00:07
I think it is interesting - my assumption is that Commodore fancy themselves as some kind of competitor to Alienware.

Well, if they are cheaper then I sniff my credit card flexing its Largeness.

EDIT:
Not sure why I used the word 'sniff' there - can't remember what I meant to type, so I'll just leave it in there and ponder it.
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I first started programming on a vic-20, in 1982 from Commodore (25 years ago - now I feel old) and progressed to a c-64 and then an Amiga.

By the way, to anyone who had an Amiga, do you remember AMOS programming? Pretty much EXACTLY the same as Dark Basic.
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Posted: 12th Mar 2007 15:17
im going to get a commodore sticker and be done with it

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Posted: 12th Mar 2007 21:08
Never used AMOS on my Amiga, I just stuck to using SEUCK.

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I loved the SEUCK, made alot of fun games with it, that and Gary Kitchens Game Maker.

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it's about bloody time!!! maybe we will get some decent technology!!! LOL
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i still have my Commodore64 in my attic...

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Posted: 14th Mar 2007 07:17
Did anyone buy the Amiga SDK for there Operating Environment?

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Posted: 14th Mar 2007 09:10
SEUCK rocked - Especially on the C64, I mean even the ST didn't have as many features, like the way you could make Commando style games too with the backdrop collision. It's amazing how much fun you could have with the very limited palette.


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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 16:13
The computers come with a Commodore emulator and 50 games preinstalled

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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 16:41
Yeah but the cases look horrible!

http://www.commodoregaming.com

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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 17:00
Good lord.

I remember being mightily impressed by the C64 badge - compared to the painted on Speccy rainbow, Commodore had one of those shiny badges and it was just very retro. Not sure what they're going for with that case 'design'. The commodore logo would have looked better as a little stick on badge, like you get with GFX cards and motherboards for the front of your case.

I do like the way they are embracing emulation though, more companies should do that without seeing the dollar signs.


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