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Geek Culture / STALKER & Post-Apocalyptic Stuff

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Ian T
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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 04:45
With STALKER gold and getting some mighty fine reviews, I'm pretty damn excited for it ($40 in price too, I hear). And I'm sure other computer gamers here have a similar level of interest (or jaded disgust at this point) so I thought I'd preemptively make a discussion thread for it.

And also, on a tangent, I'm curious as to what you lot think society might actually be like after a nuclear war. This is obviously a rather popular fiction to explore - STALKER's just one example of the heritage of post-apocalyptic PC games, including Fallout 1 & 2 and Wasteland; the rather ridiculous (but entertaining) US TV series Jericho airing now, various movies (Omega man, Escape from NY... okay, nothing terribly serious comes to mind), etc.

It's hard to find information on possible post-nuclear-war scenarios that isn't boringly scientific or wildly speculative. Take this hypothetical scenario: 10 years from now, a second cold war builds up to every nuclear power in the world (throwing in Iran and North Korea to our current mix, why not) nukes the crap out of each other and a bunch of their allies for good measure. EMPs destroy electronic equipment everywhere, most of the world population is annihilated, economy even in non-damaged areas is in shambles due to the destruction of trade (and obliteration of natural resources), widespread anarchy and chaos, et cetera.

But on a local level, how might a damaged, but not destroyed country handle itself? I'm rather interested, in fact I've been speculating a while about creating a game (roguelike) set in post-war-to-end-all-wars Europe. There are so many factors to consider in trying to create a realistic scenario. Currency will probably be worthless, radiation-carrying metals will be avoided like the plague (Jericho inspired that tidbit), every person or community will probably maintain their own emergency fallout shelter in case of another disaster, and the political/economic situation would, I imagine, be reduced to a fairly primitive state. But that's just my thoughts... any contributions?
Steve J
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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 04:53
My thoughts is that only a few nukes are launched, while the majority of the nuclear storage areas are destroyed from the first nukes. It would most likely be a strategic war, in which a chance of more than 100 nukes being launched as slim. It would more than likely cause a more isolationist view from all countries remaining, and cause global trade to be non existent, with every major power becoming more inwards on policies. I just dont see a huge nuke war being possible right now.

pleading and needing and bleeding and breeding and feeding exceeding..where is everybody? trying and lying defying denying crying and dying..where is everybody?
indi
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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 05:21
I highly reccomend you get the paper role playing Gamma World
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_World
I used to play it for hours and hours.
Its directly in line with what your thinking.

Fallout
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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 14:21
Funnily enough, there's a nuclear bunker up for sale where I live. They were trying to flog it for £2mil but it didn't sell, so they've dropped the price to around £1mil. It's got 25 rooms, an undeveloped underground warehouse department, it's own sewerage, water and power generators, a massive steel blast door, an emergency hydraulic escape hatch and lots of cool CCTV. All sub-terrainian in what looks like a big green lush field.

If only I could afford to take out a £1mil mortgage, it'd be mine! My only concern would be taking women back in a cab after going out in town. When the cabby drops you off in the middle of an empty field, she'd probably think she was in trouble.


Van B
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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 14:45
I'd take that over any mansion Fallout, could you imagine telling people you live in a secret underground bunker with a football pitch on top of it .

I always found it funny how so many American homes have bomb shelters, London get's bombed so they make flimsy shelters for backyards - Cuba buys a toy rocket and Americans start digging bunkers!.


Good guy, Good guy, Wan...
Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 14:56
Nuclear winter wouldn't be so bad. I'd be a benevolent warlord. I'd only kill stupid people, so many of you would be safe.


Come see the WIP!
Benjamin
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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 15:08
Quote: "I'd only kill stupid people"

Sure you're brave enough for suicide?

Kidding.

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Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 15:13
Damn


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Fallout
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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 16:13 Edited at: 21st Mar 2007 16:38
Don't kill the stupid people. They'd be the easiest ones to manipulate into being your minions! Cash, I dont think you've thought this through!!!


Steve J
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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 16:33
You kill the stupid men, whats wrong with you people, harming the nice blonde ladies?!

pleading and needing and bleeding and breeding and feeding exceeding..where is everybody? trying and lying defying denying crying and dying..where is everybody?
Hobgoblin Lord
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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 21:33
Quote: "You kill the stupid men, whats wrong with you people, harming the nice blonde ladies?!"


Reverse that Kill the smart men (dont want people plotting on you that have a chance of a good plan). As for the women, well, eliminate the ones with the shriekiest, naggiest, tones.

Miguel Melo
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Posted: 22nd Mar 2007 20:21
As Ali G said "we have too many mingers".

I have vague plans for World Domination
Screwed Over
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Posted: 22nd Mar 2007 23:15
ultimate plan of world domination:
get contacts in rusion mafia, learn how to become an ubersuper assassin, hire 100s of assassins to kill world leaders, assassinate the assassins (you don't want to pay them!), kill all smart people, kill everyone else that gets in your way, get high on dope for a while (well theres gotta be a fun part!), find as many hot woman as possible, force them into slavery (guess what kind ) sit back and watch as you quickly gain totall domination, and remember "complete power corrupts, absolute powers pretty cool!" (can't remember where i got that from...)

Quote: "there's a nuclear bunker up for sale where I live"

d'u know any banks that would lend £1M to an under 16yo kid?? 'cause you know, i might accidentally start a nuclear war again...


Quote: "we have too many mingers"

lol


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