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Phaelax
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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 03:57
So who else in Ohio enjoyed the 80+ degree weather this past week? (81 yesterday) Ok, how many of you are now looking at snow outside your window? Ohio sucks!

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 04:12
Same thing here in Michigan... Michigan weather sucks.

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 04:16
It was in the 60's and 70's here all week, and now it's cold outside. No snow though... yet


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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 04:16
This weather is indeed really weird. I dont live in Ohio but in Pennsylvania it was like 65 degrees and in less then four hours it drops down to 30 with a little bit of snow. Pennsylvania sucks!! The worst part is im stuck inside my house because of the bad weather over easter break.

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 04:26
Strange weather in Minnesota too, 70's and 80's one day, then it was snowing the next...

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 04:27
Quote: "Pennsylvania sucks!!"


You here that Dink? A Pennsylvanian picking on Pennsylvania. Now we can finally take a break for a while .

What worries me is that all three of these states, New York, Ohio, and PA, we're all right next to each other. It hit 80 in Ohio, it was warm but rainy here, and it snowed in PA. We've had this conversation a lot lately, about how weird the weather has been lately, and I was genuinely convinced by everyone that maybe it's just a fluke, but now... I dunno. And all of those tornadoes last week (or maybe two weeks ago), it isn't tornado season is it?


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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 04:56
We've got at least a few inches, plus drifting; up here in the U.P. of Michigan.

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 05:05
Quote: "You here that Dink? A Pennsylvanian picking on Pennsylvania. Now we can finally take a break for a while ."


Hahaha.

Yeah, last night it was 80, I went to bed in shorts, no shirt, and no blankets and opened my window. 5:00AM I woke up freezing, closed the window and found my comforter.

Quote: "What worries me is that all three of these states, New York, Ohio, and PA, we're all right next to each other. "


If you watch any weather radars throughout your whole life you will see we have almost always had the same weather. While it might seem odd to be 80 and drop to 30 overnight it's actually rather normal this time of year. I think it did this last year as well. We've had fluke snowstorms in June, and record highs in the 80's in march.

Quote: "I dunno. And all of those tornadoes last week (or maybe two weeks ago), it isn't tornado season is it?"


It's pretty close to it from what I can remember...

Quote: "No snow though... yet "


Hehehe, I think it's coming soon. We have been getting accumulative flurries here for the last 8 hours. It should hit you soon if it hasn't already. Unless of course Pennsylvania stole all your snow.

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 07:28
What I love about Ohio is how they roll over to the Gators

The weather has gotten nice quickly, though oddly we had more snow in march than Nov-Feb.

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 09:27
you're a cruel cruel man hobgoblin! I'm just glad i was unconscience during most of that game.

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 15:26
Thats ok so were the Buckeyes. I wonder if this will start an interconference rivalry between the two now. I have to say I am impressed that 2 schools met in both major sports championships in the same year, very few schools can even make it to one of the games.

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 18:32
Sure enough... Snow flurries today. Not fair! Once again I'm blaming PA for this cursed weather. Thankfully it isn't cold enough to stick to the ground, so it's basically having the effect of rain, but that just means it'll probably end up being icy tomorrow . I say we impeach mother nature and replace her with someone better .


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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 19:16
It's sunny and warm here today...

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 19:30
Ive said it once and Ill say it again, Florida weather absolutely sucks. Our winter only lasts about one month and the weather here is so unpredictable that you could walk into your house and have the sun out one minute, and it would be raining the next, and that especiialy sucks when going to the beach.


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i wish it would snow in wales... sunshine makes me slight sad....

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 20:02
dry and warm in California...

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 22:20 Edited at: 5th Apr 2007 22:21
Vegas is always cool but theres a breeze in winter all tha time, good thing its spring!

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 23:05
Twas about 89 degrees today, 105 or so in the past few days I believe.
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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 23:08
Ive come to accept and embrace the fact that I will see the end of humanity before I die. Theres no way around it. Global warming Anonimous here I come.

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 23:10
No the temperature where I'm from has been there since the 60's and even before that.
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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 23:23 Edited at: 6th Apr 2007 00:07
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Rant on global warming removed, since some people dont think its an important issue and non-existent.

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 23:43
This is turning into another thread about global warming...
great.

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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 01:01
I seriously see no signs of global warming in Ohio... This weather is typical throughout my 18 years of life.

It ALWAYS snows on the Cleveland Indians home opener. People are stupid to buy tickets to that game since it always happens, and we lost today too, so it's all the worse for them...

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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 01:26
Same happened in Illinois, it's weird, but luckily it got warmer except for the wind.
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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 01:33
Quote: "This weather is typical throughout my 18 years of life. "


But not throughout the earth's billions of years of life .

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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 03:45
Well I just had my 2,432,532,236th birthday last week and back in my days all it ever did was snow! (and rain pterodactyl poop, talk about a mess on the windshield!)

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Quote: "But not throughout the earth's billions of years of life ."



...prove that

We've only been monitoring and recording temperatures for around 100 years...

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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 05:06 Edited at: 6th Apr 2007 05:10
Watch the Al Gore documentary on global warming and you'll have your proof. They use carbon dating, time-cylinders, and other technology to show what the whether was like thousands of years ago.

In one experiment they took a time cylinder of ice in the arctic, going back thousands of years, and at the top few centimeters (representing the last 10 years) it was shrouded in air pockets and soft ice.

The biggest hit in my mind was when he shows the effects we've had on mountain ranges all over the world. He shows images of mountains covered in permafrost just 10 years ago, and then images of them today where not only has the permafrost melted away to just the peaks of the mountains, but you can actually see grass and dirt as well.

If you chose to not believe in global warming thats fine, some people like ignoring facts, its a good way to live stress free, but if you're interested in learning whats really happening, seriously, watch Al Gore's documentary. 3 hours packed full of information on what global warming has done in the last 50-100 years and whats going to happen soon.

Theres 1 glacier in the arctic, that if it were to melt, IIRC he said water levels around the world would go up 20 feet. Covering most of america and europe.

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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 07:30 Edited at: 6th Apr 2007 07:31
Quote: "They use carbon dating, time-cylinders, and other technology to show what the whether was like thousands of years ago."


ROFL. Carbon dating is not accurate, dude. A *lot* of it is guesswork. The ranges in time are so large. There is absolutely no accurate way to say exactly what the weather was like thousands of years ago. None.

Quote: "but if you're interested in learning whats really happening, seriously, watch Al Gore's documentary."


Or you can watch one of the several documentaries that directly contradict Al Gore's and make up your own mind.

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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 09:18
Last week in my astronomy discussion we discussed global warming. One person absolutely refused to believe in global warming, calling it a myth. And then other people began to follow. Is the planet warming up, I think so. But I don't think its anything we can do about it and the rate of change is very slow. (real effects taking thousands of years)

If anyone watches Top Gear (best show ever), in season 7 Clarkson talked about how a cow farting creates more methane gas than a land rover, thus cars have no real effect on global warming.

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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 09:48
While it would be foolish to disagree with global warming, it's also foolish to believe we are causing it *solely* because it's backed by Al Gore and half of Hollyood. Where there's an agenda, there's a way

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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 15:51 Edited at: 6th Apr 2007 15:53
I think it's a big political thing. Sure there may be a slight threat there. It may be happening, but what better way to get elected or get donations to your charities and research funds than to scare the public into believing something could happen in their lifetime and then saying you can fix it... The media does this sort of thing ALL the time. If I've learned anything in my lifetime, it's that people in power only want more. They will be dishonest or stretch the "facts" to prove their theories.

Quote: "If you chose to not believe in global warming thats fine, some people like ignoring facts, its a good way to live stress free"


I'm sorry, it may not meant to be an insult but I take it as one. It sounds like you are trying to console a child deceived into believing there is a Santa Clause by his parents only to come home crying the next day because he was told at school there isn't.

If only you knew a few of the things I do believe that are happening or going to happen to this world. Most people would be extremely stressed out by it. I'm not even going to get into it. It's far to politically / religiously oriented. Global Warming is child's play compared to what I believe will perhaps be happening in our lifetimes.

One small request. Please don't insult people by telling them they ignore the "facts" because many "facts" are still unproven. And many "facts" the other side of the argument believes may be unproven as well. Just because someone disagrees with your beliefs does not make them wacko, because they could nitpick your facts to death just as well as you can to ours.

This is why debates get no where and from here I withdraw from it. I don't want to fuel any arguments.

RUCCUS, no hard feelings to you man, just please understand that some people believe differently than you do and that it's ok and not necessarily wrong, usually people have "facts" to back up their beliefs. They aren't always real facts (and I'm not saying your's are any better or worse than mine).

Quote: "cow farting creates more methane gas than a land rover"


I've hear this as well Eat more beef, save the planet! (and don't forget to carpool!)

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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 16:10
If the al gore documentary went through all the facts then it should have presented results in which global warm has happened before, more than once. I cant comment because i haven't seen the documentary but from what i've heard it avoids a few key facts that have been discovered.

If we are to take global warming and destruction of our planet more seriously this means -

-absolutely no use or production of plastics
-No production of batteries whatsoever
-because of this, some renewable energy, especially solar energy cannot be used
-No more rice and cow farms since they produce methane
-no more using fossil fuels
-no use of nuclear energy
-no production or use of fertilisers
-no more deforestation to the mass degree

and lots more im sure that i cant think of right now o.o


By the way, say a big NO to battery powered cars such as the hybrid car which is deemed environmentally friendly. They destroy the planet more than anything, in fact if everyone decided to use battery powered cars the world will be dead in 5-7 years.

There is a type of fuel called biomass fuel which would be ideal, unfortunately tax cant be charged on it at the moment meaning we wont beable to use it without getting fined o.o
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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 19:42
(My thoughts referring back to the first post.) Outside relaxing in a t-shirt and shorts on Tuesday, Thursday I was wearing pants and two sweatshirts just to get the paper. This is getting ridiculous.

Okay, back to the global warming chat.



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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 20:17 Edited at: 6th Apr 2007 20:22
Florida weather absolutely sucks.[/quote]

i am in wisconsin it was warm here for the last week
but tis week its in the 30s.
like last week it was in the uper 50s lower 60s
but today it is 34.2 with a wind chill of 19

i wish i was in Florida.

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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 21:44
Quote: "There is absolutely no accurate way to say exactly what the weather was like thousands of years ago. None.
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It's been a while since I've disagreed with you, but brace yourself for the memories, lol j/k. I read about this dating method they're employing now where they dig into the ice near the poles to a certain distance and collect samples of ice that contain a sort of fingerprint for the weather of that period. I don't know how it works or if it's accurate, but I was made to believe it's the most accurate method of looking at pre-historic weather to date, and thus far, all of their studies using this method point to the same thing Gore's powerpoint is showing, with marginal differences.

Quote: "it's also foolish to believe we are causing it *solely* because it's backed by Al Gore and half of Hollyood."

I think we should be glad that people with public forums are taking up arms on this subject and fighting to get it solved. A large majority of the scientists who study climate change all agree that it's happening, it's a bad thing, and we should actively try to stop it. But most people don't care what scientists would have to say, they'd rather listen to President Gore, or Alec Baldwin, or whoever their favorite celebrities are. People need to hear things from statesmen, and rarely has their been a scientist who was also a great statesmen that could champion a cause to the common man .

I don't think we're the sole reason for global warming, but I'm sure it's safe to say we're definitely making it a lot, lot worse. We can and do monitor carbon levels in the atmosphere and we know it's horrible. Take a look at the Los Angeles skyline and you'll know we're breaking more than we're making.

I don't want to be a naysayer or anything, but even by the most modest, conservative estimates we're only 40 to 50 years away from running out of fossil fuels (and most estimates put it closer to 35-40 years). The U.S. answer is for western nations to employ corn ethanol... but I've been made to understand that it's less efficient and less environmentally-friendly than petrol. I think the only safe alternative is sugar ethanol. It works in Brazil and every scientist I've heard talk about it sounds genuinely happy with it. And right now, it looks like it's probably the only smart, easily-adoptable answer to the problems. If we adopt sugar ethanol, we could stall and eventually end the energy crisis and global warming with one move.


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Posted: 7th Apr 2007 00:02 Edited at: 7th Apr 2007 00:04
Quote: "I don't know how it works or if it's accurate"


So you don't know if it's accurate--- exactly, it's not. Everyone assumes it just works, but if I pull a year out of the air a scientist will not be able to tell me what the weather was like. They have big ranges that cover certain parts of the world.

Quote: "but I'm sure it's safe to say we're definitely making it a lot, lot worse."


That's where we disagree. You look at your skyline and the smog as evidence of global warming.

In our country politicians are pointing fingers at so-called "deniers" as if they were denying the Holocaust. It's in-your-face propaganda with an agenda. Like I said, watch the other films after Inconvenient Truth and we'll talk.

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Well also, if you read news and stuff, the sun is at a solar maximum, that means its getting hotter for a while.

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It was snowing in Chicago on April 2nd.
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Well, I'm not a climate scientist, so I can't really say if it works or not. But if they can narrow there research even to a 1,000-year period (as they say it can), that's all they would need to support the data shown in An Inconvenient Truth, and so far, it has all proven true. If it were one group or company posting these claims, I'd be inclined to think the findings are poor, but when almost every study by every organization the world over comes up with the same results, it definitely makes my head turn.

Quote: "You look at your skyline and the smog as evidence of global warming."

Smog doesn't only effect the ecology and whatnot of the specific region it's present in. The exaust from my car and your car gets trapped in the atmosphere. Solar radiation can't escape the atmosphere because of it, and is bounced back down to the surface. While I'd love to see Coney Island and the Jersey Shore stay warm year round, it doesn't work that way... it has a global impact. As a nation, we're pumping some ungodly number of tons of pollution into the atmosphere every day, and most scientists agree that it's directly effecting the global temperature because of those trapped gasses.

Quote: "In our country politicians are pointing fingers at so-called "deniers""

In ours, it's the exact opposite. Our politicians, many of whom are in the pocket of oil and industrial corporations, don't want to admit to global warming for much the same reason you or I wouldn't admit to our parents when we broke a lamp in the living room. They agree something should be done about it, but only at face-value... very few of them actually want to do anything about it. But blah, I'm getting political and we all know I of all people shouldn't do that, lol.

Again, I'm going back to sugar ethanol. It would be a win-win for everyone, not just in this debate, but in the whole world.... well, everyone who doesn't work for an oil company that is . Fuel prices would be dramatically lower, pollution would be cut drastically, bus stations would smell like candy, and our cars would run smoother and longer . In a side-by-side comparison, sugar ethanol beats petrol in almost every single way, shape, and form. I wouldn't mind paying $1 per gallon again (compared to $2.30 or whatever ridiculous price it's at today) and getting 30 miles out of each gallon... who would?


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@Matt: Since when?!?!? Every person in politics is screaming "Global Warming". Though I do agree none of them actually cares.

And on oil prices: Oil is cheaper than Bottled Water and Soda. If you compare the price ($1.50 usually) of a 12 oz drink to the price of 1 gallon of gas you will find that water is uber expensive and gas is really cheap.

pleading and needing and bleeding and breeding and feeding exceeding..where is everybody? trying and lying defying denying crying and dying..where is everybody?
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While thats true Steve... you can't guzzle 10 gallons of water in one day without killing yourself... Your car can and has to to stay alive

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I personally dont use more than 2 gallons of gas each day. A human can on the other hand drink 1 gallon of water, or depending on the person more or less. I drink about 1 gallon every day. Besides 3-4 gallons of gas = 1 gallon of bottled water, about in price.

pleading and needing and bleeding and breeding and feeding exceeding..where is everybody? trying and lying defying denying crying and dying..where is everybody?
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Ok, well depending on what you do and where you drive to. My dad, for instance, drives roughly 2 to 3 hours a day in a van back and forth between jobs, service calls, and supply houses. He has to, he has no other choice. He has to fill up his tank every 2 to 3 days. So he spends alot of money on gas every week. Alot more than he'd spend on bottled water. Me on the other hand, I fill my tank maybe twice a month and my gas tank is only 14 gallons or so

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Yah I guess it depends. I drive to work and back and then just walk, run, ride bikes, or something else to go places, while I drink about about 10 bottles of water at home, and 2-3 at work.

pleading and needing and bleeding and breeding and feeding exceeding..where is everybody? trying and lying defying denying crying and dying..where is everybody?
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okay yesterday we just had a snow storm we didnt have power
from 5 am to 7pm
and then where supost to be in the 50s this weekend
maybe winter is over lol.

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Quote: "In one experiment they took a time cylinder of ice in the arctic, going back thousands of years, and at the top few centimeters (representing the last 10 years) it was shrouded in air pockets and soft ice."


Sorry... this just made me chuckle a bit. So, the part of the ice cylinder representing the last 10 years is shrouded in air pockets and soft ice? Isn't that the SAME part of the ice cylinder that is currently exposed to the atmosphere? Pack a few inches of ice on it for a few hundred years, and I bet the "soft ice" becomes hardened and the air pockets disappear.

Quote: "If anyone watches Top Gear (best show ever), in season 7 Clarkson talked about how a cow farting creates more methane gas than a land rover, thus cars have no real effect on global warming."

Hmmm... Dinosaurs were MUCH bigger than cows. I bet dino farts caused the ice age

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Quote: "Sorry... this just made me chuckle a bit. So, the part of the ice cylinder representing the last 10 years is shrouded in air pockets and soft ice? Isn't that the SAME part of the ice cylinder that is currently exposed to the atmosphere? Pack a few inches of ice on it for a few hundred years, and I bet the "soft ice" becomes hardened and the air pockets disappear.
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You know, that is very good logic right there. I believe you're probably right. The weight would eventually compress it. Also water expands when it is frozen, rather than contracts like most substances, so I'm assuming the colder and more frozen it gets it will expand more, at least for a little while, no? Maybe not, but it's just a though.

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Quote: "A large majority of the scientists who study climate change all agree that it's happening, it's a bad thing, and we should actively try to stop it."




ah Matt, unfounded statements. What percentage of scientists are saying that? What points do they agree on? What's bad about it (ie what will the effect be)? I am not saying your wrong on what these people are saying, just that when you present it as above it is a very very weak statement.

Quote: "I don't want to be a naysayer or anything, but even by the most modest, conservative estimates we're only 40 to 50 years away from running out of fossil fuels (and most estimates put it closer to 35-40 years)."


All depends on which ones you mean, Coal is a fossil fuel and we have hundreds of years available with already dicovered fields, let alone new ones. Not that I don't think we should try to move away from using fossil fuels.

Quote: "But if they can narrow there research even to a 1,000-year period (as they say it can), that's all they would need to support the data shown in An Inconvenient Truth, and so far, it has all proven true."


Problem there is we do not have an accurate picture of the last hundred years of our current weather, and still even if we did the earth is on a time scale far beyond our comprehension. Yes we know what 1,000 years is but truly grasping that time frame is pretty darn difficult. ex Cleopatra (ancient history right) lived much closer in time to us today then to when the pyramids were built, but most people just lump periods that far back together. My point here is we really know very little about our planets cycles in the long term.

Oil prices< Gallon of Milk (cows going extinct?) and heaven help us Coffee comes in about $35 a gallon if you buy a medium (16 oz).

Global warming is still a "theory" not a fact, it is something we can not explain so we as human beings try to. This is why Baka in wompazoo worshipped a toad or whatnot, he did not understand something in nature and produced a god to explain it. We just now use scientific theories. It could be valid, but the studies are flawed and weak at this stage.

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Posted: 13th Apr 2007 02:05
I've loved the warmer weather here. Up in cleveland it was snowing like crazy,so you shoudl mean : "All of Ohio except the northern parts",haha.

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