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Geek Culture / Why do you people have to be such J.e.r.k.s.

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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 7th May 2007 00:05
Safe, Gator, dat's safe bra! Yes as it always has been the English language is changing mostly on behalf of the youth, look at some of us, I have no hope in the future of England...Sweden? Well I'll let you know if I ever move from this island

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Posted: 7th May 2007 00:09
Benjamin, 'Aint' is not perfectly good grammar IMO. If you grew up around undesirable individuals like I did you will know what I mean. Words such as 'Innit' are used to denote 'isn't it' it doesn't mean that people should use it.

anyway... Fallout was babbling on about people who write bad grammar are stupid etc... So I was being 'pedantic' like he was!
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Posted: 7th May 2007 00:10 Edited at: 7th May 2007 00:12
full metal coder roxoposo, i've figured out J.e.r.k.s., its

Jedi elders kounsil (bad grammar) sapa

and A.s.s.H.o.l.e.s is:

A sexy soup hour on leash eppe sapa


i like pancakes..
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Posted: 7th May 2007 00:13 Edited at: 7th May 2007 00:14
Quote: "Benjamin, 'Aint' is not perfectly good grammar IMO. "

Yes it is - grammar is all about sentence structure. It doesn't matter if a particular word doesn't really exist, as long as its properties are compatible grammatically.

Quote: "Jedi elders kounsil (bad grammar) sapa"

Jesks?

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Posted: 7th May 2007 01:09
Fallout.... By your definition of intelligence you are suggesting that Stephen hawking, Great man of physics, is not as intelligent as he could be because he can't use the part of the brain that allows him to talk or move.

Yes, i will agree with you on one aspect... there are some bloody stupid people out there who deserve to be given the title as "Dumber than a Water Melon".
But just because somebody can't spell, or use grammar in the correct way doesn't mean they aren't lacking intelligence.

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Posted: 7th May 2007 03:16
Quote: "Yes it is - grammar is all about sentence structure. It doesn't matter if a particular word doesn't really exist, as long as its properties are compatible grammatically."


LOL ok, I suppose I could make up a word such as 'fibbygaga' and create a meaning for it and use it in it's 'correct' grammatical context.

grammar is about developing a norm, so if the majority recognise a word then it is correct grammar, 'Aint' has never been accepted by most individuals as it sounds aweful, that's why when pupils use the word 'Aint' they are quickly corrected by their teacher, hence 'Aint' is not perceived as being correct grammar so they disregard 'Aint' as being a 'proper' word.

We could argue about words all day, you and I BOTH know that 'Aint' sounds aweful and would never use it in everyday language. I urge you to listen to people who are from my area LOL, 'Yeh mate, innit mate' - this is correct grammar according to their belief, not mine lol
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Posted: 7th May 2007 03:19
Quote: "Jesks?"


oh silly me, there was supposed to be a real there...


i like pancakes..
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Posted: 7th May 2007 03:20
Quote: "I suppose I could make up a word such as 'fibbygaga' and create a meaning for it and use it in it's 'correct' grammatical context."

Basically, yes.

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Posted: 7th May 2007 03:47
Quote: "That's right, from what i've read, grammar serves as no indication on the persons intelligence level."


Actually, it's an indication that's used everywhere in the business sector.

Another thing I hate is when people say irregardless.

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don't Leave.... ignore them...

to the ones thats trapped inside of you, this is it!!
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Posted: 7th May 2007 05:38
I understand how offensive fixing people's grammar can be! My house-mate often mixes words up or doesn't say things just right and, as a reflex action, I correct him. He hates it, gets supremely offended, and usually sees that as an opportunity to launch into a tirade about how he doesn't like the size of my head or something stupid.

One thing mum always said "It wasn't SO fun, it was SO MUCH fun."

Annoyed the hell out of me!

That's my little story for the day.

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Posted: 7th May 2007 11:49
Quote: "anyway... Fallout was babbling on about people who write bad grammar are stupid etc... So I was being 'pedantic' like he was!"


Actually, I wasn't being pedantic. I think grammar is firmly rooted in one of the many forms of intelligence. Also, I put a lot of effort in to ensure I didn't imply that people who are bad at grammar are stupid. I used statements such as this:

Quote: "Once again, I'm not saying you're stupid if you have bad grammar."


Maybe you missed that one?


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Posted: 7th May 2007 15:22
Also we have to versions of English US and UK!
lol!


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It's wrong to say the grammar peeps use is not an indication of their intelligence. It is. If you can't figure out how to form a sentence correctly, then you're brain isn't as good in that respect as someone else. So it is all about intelligence. You are a little dumber than the next guy.
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so you wasn't saying someone is stupid? well, the above suggests that you were! LOL. Rather contradictory, don't you think?
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Posted: 7th May 2007 16:12 Edited at: 7th May 2007 16:15
Another thing I've noticed is how people mix up your/you're and its/it's. For example, "you're spelling sucks", and "it's spelling sucks" are both incorrect.

And yet another thing I've noticed is how people put apostrophes in wrong places, ie. if the word ends in an s. Some examples include "get's", "suck's", "do's", and "idea's".

What's funny is when someone says "yeah well you're spelling suck's!".

Oh and Fallout:

Quote: "then you're brain isn't as good in that respect as someone else"


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Posted: 7th May 2007 18:07
Quote: "when people say irregardless."


Wow, what a perfect way to create a double negative


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Posted: 7th May 2007 22:13 Edited at: 7th May 2007 22:17
Quote: "so you wasn't saying someone is stupid? well, the above suggests that you were! LOL. Rather contradictory, don't you think?"


No. I am dummer than Einstein, but I'm not stupid. I was implying if your brain can't do something that someone else can, you're a bit dummer. Doesn't mean you're a dunce! If Fallout A is identical to Fallout B, except Fallout B has a better grasp on grammar, I would argue Fallout A is a little dummer than Fallout B. Yet, neither Fallouts are stupid.

@Benjamin

At least I know the difference though, but we all make mistakes.


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Posted: 7th May 2007 22:16
*cough*

Quote: "I was implying if you're brain can't do something that someone else can, you're a bit dummer"


If you are brain?

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Posted: 7th May 2007 22:17
Fixed! I am watching Hollyoaks at the same time.


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Posted: 7th May 2007 22:19
Haha! You're grammer suck's!

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Posted: 7th May 2007 22:24
haha. So does you're Arc de Triomphe's!


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Posted: 7th May 2007 22:25
It so do's not!

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Posted: 7th May 2007 22:30
Has david w posted since the top of this thread? I think he is really gone.
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"English US" is a load of Bull. Its called English for a reason. Just because you change a few words like aluminium doesn't mean its now a different language. Pisses me off when you install a program and it thrusts the language "English US" in your face.

If i were to speak French I wouldn't go around calling it "French UK"

Gah! it annoys me so much!

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It's the dialect my man...also on the aluminum/aluminium thing, I remember reading that aluminium came from American and it's the British that called in aluminium to suit the rest of other 'iums' out there. Although Americanisms get on my nerves a bit, but hey that's what happens when you're ancestors tried to take over the world, I mean we've borrow Indian-Englishisms, Carribean/Jamaican-Englishisms, Australian-ism etc.

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Just think, in a hundred or two years we'll all be so mixed up from cross breeding, that there will be no more races, only people. What are we going to hate each other for then?

I'm sorry, my answers are limited. You must ask the right question.

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Who has a bigger nose? Wars between people with big noses against those with little noses and those with no noses and trying to work out what the fuss is all about.

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Posted: 8th May 2007 07:04
I also find it annoying when people say "Oh theres a couple left" and you find out that theres more then 2! A couple means 2 not six!
lol


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Quote: "I also find it annoying when people say "Oh theres a couple left" and you find out that theres more then 2! A couple means 2 not six!"


haha. Indeed. The married couple ... consisting of the man, his 7 wives!


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Quote: "I also find it annoying when people say "Oh theres a couple left" and you find out that theres more then 2! A couple means 2 not six!"

Or when people mix up 'than' and 'then'.

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Posted: 8th May 2007 13:06
You'd better watch it Ben. Vader is probably bigger THEN you.


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Quote: "You'd better watch it Ben. Vader is probably bigger THEN you."

You mean he is bigger than something and then I'm bigger than THAT?

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Posted: 8th May 2007 14:49
That was so funny! I say what I dislike about grammar and spelling and you find a mistake I made when people had just finished talking about it!
Lol!




I might leave the forums now...
Come on David w your bigger then (than) this!


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Quote: "I might leave the forums now..."


Go ahead. noone will miss you, infact the TGC staff will throw a party and there will be free codez. You're not invited.

No offence, but everyone hates you.

Don't worry though, everyone hates me too.

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I hate you too Grandma. Group hug.


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On spelling, I am annoyed by people who want to crucify you for a spelling error. But i am also kinda annoyed when people use AIM lingo. maybe its me or maybe too many people use it, but one thing is for sure. English is bitch about spelling with all of its silent e's and PH for an F sound. My native language is Russian and all of it is spelled as pronounced. So yeah, English is a bitch to spell

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Posted: 8th May 2007 21:59
omg pagan, u dnt lk aim lngo? thtz such a shme, wht abt txt lngo?

Yeah I see your point, people should make some effort at least into typing standard English, yet there is nothing wrong without being able to spell or have grammatical errors, but when you decide to use text or IM lingo on a forum or an email you kind of don't take them seriously and I see some people annoyed.

Oh and Grandma, in this society everybody hates everbody, we choose not to discriminate

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Posted: 8th May 2007 22:25
I really don't think that most of the people here are jerks. There are some, but for the most part people are really good here. Especially to newcomers, and especially when I know a lot of people here have answered the same quation 500 billion times. Usually it's stickied, and usually it's in the help, and usually there are 10 other threads right underneath with the same question.

I do agree that the forum goes through phases. And things flow like a tide. Some weeks people are harsher than they could be. Other weeks people are kinder than they need to be. It's all a part of having a large group of people, with different backgrounds coming together. Especially when a lot of us are talented, competitive, quite smart. I think that's what makes it tough sometimes around here. It's very rare that you can blow smoke up someone's arse around here, without being called on it.

Some people here are perfectionists, and if you mess up on a certain spec, rate, grammar, formula, description. It doesn't take long for 5 people to point it out to you. I've had my shar of frustrations here. And at times I have lost my cool. But I always try to start each day, seeing what I could have done better, or how I could have been more accepting of crit, or being dead wrong.

All though I have left here for periods of time (without any goodbyes), I can say that this is the one forum that has helped me deal with people, has humbled me, and I have truly learned from.

In my circle, family etc... I am used to being known as the smart one, The computer geek, The math geek, the go-to-tech guy, The artist etc... So, to come here and see so many others with incredible skills far beyond my own, is a weird but good experience. It's hard for me to pick up the types of converstation that go on here, with the people in my daily life. And on the topics I enjoy, I am usually the one giving out knowledge, rather than being pushed to be better.

So I guess to sum it up. TGC forums challange me. It's not always easy. But all in all, even with some jokes or sometimes frustration, I truly believe that this is one amazing group. There is not one other forum or group, that I know regardless of how long I break for that I will come back to again and again. Other things seem to be fads and fade. But this is the one place that mixes nearly everything I am into. Technology, programming, Art, gaming, Math, science, and above all humor. There are a lot of funny cats around here.

And now the tear jerker! I have also witnessed some of the most kind and giving people here. If I knew them in person, they'd be friends for life for sure. Amongst all the other things that can transpire here; most people here have a really good heart, a lot of patience, a welcoming and re-welcoming attitude, and truly show an extreme ability to provide guidance. I honestly trust more people's oppinions here than I can within my own small circle. If you ask for honest and crit, you'll sometimes get more than you bargained for. But it's all good. Praise doesn't come too easy (and it shouldn't). But when earned here, you know it's the real deal.

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Quote: "And now the tear jerker! I have also witnessed some of the most kind and giving people here. If I knew them in person, they'd be friends for life for sure. Amongst all the other things that can transpire here; most people here have a really good heart, a lot of patience, a welcoming and re-welcoming attitude, and truly show an extreme ability to provide guidance. I honestly trust more people's oppinions here than I can within my own small circle. If you ask for honest and crit, you'll sometimes get more than you bargained for. But it's all good. Praise doesn't come too easy (and it shouldn't). But when earned here, you know it's the real deal."

I think you summed up the forum quite well!

Maybe somone should email david w...


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Quote: "I've had my shar of frustrations here."


Couldn't help but point that out.

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Things could be worse. You could be the biggest cable provider in the UK, a multi-million pound company selling TV, Mobile Phones, own hundreds of record stores and your own Airway. You could have all of that, and still not be able to spell...



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Dont leave. I've left a forum before for people treating me like **** but they were all like that. Here, everyone is nice. Their are the occasional people who pick on the newbs, but it doesn't count if you laugh WITH them now does it?

Your signature has been deleted by a moderator because this joke is getting old.
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Quote: "Things could be worse. You could be the biggest cable provider in the UK, a multi-million pound company selling TV, Mobile Phones, own hundreds of record stores and your own Airway. You could have all of that, and still not be able to spell..."


I read it three times and can't find it.

[edit]

Whoop! I found it

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Quote: "Their are the occasional people who pick on the newbs"


I think a lot of times, not all of us have the same definition of being 'picked on'.

If you are new, you don't really know what you are doing and you will get lots of others jumping in and correcting you. When I was new to DB, I'd already been programming 25 years but this still happened to me.

I just accepted it not as being picked on, but for what it actually was - other people wanting me to learn and improve. I took their advice, learned and never looked back.

Some newcomers today want you to write their code for them and do their searches. Others won't take good advice - preferring to ignore it and continue doing what they want to - and are effectively wasting everybody else's time.

All newcomers should just assume that everyone they think is 'having a go at them' isn't, but instead is only helping - however abrupt their manner.

But ignore the advice you are given and expect short shrift - or to be completely ignored the next time you ask...

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Ouch..the truth hurts i suppose. Like i've said already and i'm sure you all know this, the start is the worst part for me right now. Mainly because of all the power that I have within the langauge, its sort of overwhelming but still fun .

And i make people laugh yea .

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