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Geek Culture / Life Sucks...thinking of joining the NAVY

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Moondog
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Posted: 25th May 2007 04:26
"Life comes at you fast...", thats an understatement! haha!

So i'm married, with two kids, i'm young, in dept, own a house that i can't afford, i just got laid off from my job, because the company went bankrupt...we lost are insurance, my little girl got sick and ended up paying $300 for meds...so couldn't pay my credit card bill, and now they want to take me to court over it...oh, and i spent 12 hours yesterday animating models only to find out that i exported them wrong and they had no animation data for DBP to use, and when i went back to truespace, no animation data again!!!! 12 hours down the drain....all in the same month! lol, not really...been married over a year, and have a 3 year old girl and 10 month old boy. I'm about 15k in dept, not too bad...doesn't include the house. And the credit card company are a bunch of scamers.

so anyway, i was looking at my options..can't file bankruptcy, because 10k of my dept is student loans, which isn't covered, and filing for just 5k would be ridiculous. can't get insurance without paying out the arse...still got hospital bills to pay..another couple hundred, argh!!!

so unless i can land a job in the next week, i'm screwed, lol. can't borrow money from family, because there just as poor as me, lol.

so, military service seems like the route to go. still have to discuss this with my wife, she'll probably freak out, but i'm unconcerned about joining. I would join the NAVY because life on the sea appeals to me more then the other armed forces. And landing an assignment on a Nuclear Sub would be very fun.

So, whats your guys gals opinions? ANyone in active service, or were? Any info on the navy from yah would be much appreciated.

MOONDOG

Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 25th May 2007 04:36
Sounds like you're in some rough times . I personally think the Navy would be the most boring branch of the armed forces to go into. All you really do is patrol the oceans and conduct training drills while living in a cramped space for months at a time. The navy rarely sees near as much action as the other armed forces (which could be good or bad, depending on what you want), and most of the work seems to be just crewmen, with very few actual combat people operating combat equipment. Personally, I would join the Army or the Marines, and possibly Special Forces, if I had to join the military, just because it seems like they get the most action, have the most impact, and are much more interactive. Anyways, just my opinion/preferences .


Osiris
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Posted: 25th May 2007 04:39
Well since you have kids go with the NAVY, because then you can still goto interesting places and not die. and possibly fire a missile at someone miles away and watch the video feed of them dying, so it wouldn't take away from your video game time...sorta.

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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 25th May 2007 04:42
Quote: "and possibly fire a missile at someone miles away and watch the video feed of them dying, so it wouldn't take away from your video game time...sorta."

Lol, that's what I mean by no interaction. You sit on the ship miles away from the actual action when you do encounter any threats. Of course, that can be a good thing .


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Posted: 25th May 2007 04:45
Quote: "i just got laid "


I stopped there for a second, then realized there was more to the sentence.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 04:47
I would do the Navy too. Sounds like a good way to get paid for just roaming round the oceans, heh.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 04:58
Well if you have followed the news lately, there is a naval buildup in the gulf by Iran atm. when (if?) the war with Iran sparks off then i'm afraid that fleet will take casualties. Iran has the middle east most powerfull military and they do have the capability to retaliate with their shiny new hardware from Russia amongs other.

Just be carefull you don't get sent there though if you decide to join, if you want to be on the safe side.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 05:03
Coast Guard if you dont want action.

Time is ticking away.
Moondog
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Posted: 25th May 2007 05:09 Edited at: 25th May 2007 05:12
i'm not afraid of death, so don't think my decision's to join the NAVY is based on that. I do like sailing when i can during the summer, and i've always been fascinated with subs and aircraft carriers. as for cramped living space and laid back voyages i dont mind. THough if we see action, i won't mind either, i'll just do my job the best i can. I would try to shoot for becoming a military photographer, since I'm a good artists and i already do some photography on the side. WOuld be fun i think, very rewarding too. I could go back to school and get a bachelors and even master;s. Pretty much all payed for, especially if i go past my 4 years of service. I'd also try to get on base housing for my family, which means cheap to free living, with all the benefits.

When i decide to retire, they'd get me a job right away, hopefully by then my credit is fixed, and I can resume my life happier. RIght now i'm pretty bombed out, and don't feel like doing anything ...though i never neglect my kids and wife, i've been neglecting myself and my needs, and it's starting to show with stress, and the grey hairs, lol.

theres no such thing as safe anywhere. i'd go front lines bare naked with only a knife in Iraq, but you'll never catch me downtown Cincinnati at night in the bad parts...at least in Iraq they would just kill you...


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Posted: 25th May 2007 05:13 Edited at: 25th May 2007 05:27
I was in the Air-Force for 4 years (1998-2002). I was single, just graduated High School and not sure of what direction my life was going in. I had a lot of great experiences, and some not so great.

My Job was in electronics as a "Ground Aeorospace Radar Tech/Op" or "Autotracking Radar" A.K.A.(Auto-Tracker). It was basically like a "real-life" Video-Game/simulation. A lot like "Top-Gun" Red vs. Blue team. We were the ground radar defense(enemy) simulating different types of Surface-to-Air-Missiles (SAM Sites) and AAA(Anti-Aircraft-Artillery). The blue team training-pilots, tried to take us out, and we tried to knock-em out of the sky. All of the info was networked to a "War Room" & SATCOM - back at the base. The computers decided who lived and who died based on the info.

My Job didn't have any real "War-Time" commitment. We trained pilots on a bombing range. As you might know, the Air Force is the one branch that sends it's Officer's to war. Everyone else is merely support. So during exercises of "War-Time" I had a second Job Title. I was allocated to the "Motor Pool". Basically this meant I learned how to drive all types of vehicles from fork-lifts, to busses, "Big Rigs", Deuce and 1/2's etc... Mostly I drove the fork-lift to weigh and load palettes onto aircraft for support (ie. medical, Equipment) or I drove Officers/Commanders back and forth to the airport.


Miltary life can be good, but it has some negatives that only you and your family can discuss. For some, the positives outweigh the negatives. It's important that you choose the right career for you & your family. I don't know a lot about the Navy, but being on a Sub. you will more than likely be away from your family for no less than six-months. That can be a big strain on you and them.

I've seen families both in Base-housing and Off-Base-Housing, and each family handles things differently. The worst part is being away or having to relocate. Your family has to be willing to pack-up on a moments notice. It can be stressful. Spouses may have to leave jobs, if they work. kids have to change schools.

It's so tough to give advice to anyone, especially someone with a family. I was single and whatever I did it really only effected me. Everything that you see in the regular world happens on a base. And it can be even more devestating as it's strange to have your work, bosses, peers, co-workers, know your personal life. I have seen more divorces in the military than I would "see" in civilian life. Because everything is close knit, everyone knows everyone elses businesss. I have seen wives be arrested, family disputes, cheating when the spouse is away. Nothing like seeing a good friends wife at the Enlisted Club on a Friday Night getting their "drink on" and leaving with someone else.

I honestly thought these things wouldn't happen. I was a bit naive. But all the problems that face the real world, face military families as well. I thought that I would be surrounded by noble heroes. And while you are, it's just like any other occupation... be it policemen, Doctors, lawyers, etc... people are just people. So while it was limited; we had theft, family abuse, drunk driving, drug abuse etc... Children on base also had their fair share of issues, especially teenage youth whose parent/s were away.

That's some of the bad news. There is also plenty of good. Lots of support, and plenty of reasons to make the military a carreer. I receieved top-notch health care. It was a great job, and I met really good people. The military paid 85% of my schooling while I was in. I recieved over 50 College credits for my Tech School (which was free) alone. So finishing my A.A.S was fairly easy, and I didn't lose much ground then my peers back home.

The housing was nicer than many areas in the U.S., many of my friends had a much better life than they could ever have imagined back home. But for me... I guess growing up on Long Island NY and being 35 minutes from Manhattan, the military was a bit depressing for me. I came from a middle-class family, and for Long Island middle-class I guess was a lot different than other areas. So depending on where you get stationed can make a big difference. I got sent to Idaho for 3 years. It had a lot to offer, and was a change, but military life didn't appeal to me after 4 years.

Trust me, there are times that I regret leaving. I have thought about re-enlisting into the Air National Guard over the years. I was lucky to be employed by a School District, and a Union. It's hard for me to imagine how people handle job losses. It's something that terrifies me, and actually has prevented me from seeking other employment opportunities. I am in Networking now, and have come across numerous lucrative offers. But when I hear/see the job cuts via friends or in the paper, I'm glad I stayed where I am.

I think it's important to go in without "Rose-Colored glasses". i don't mean for this post to scare you. I could spend an equal amount of time explaining all the good about the military..


I really feel for you and your situation. Let me know if I can offer any more information or help. I know how scary these times can be.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 05:19
I think risking death is a little unfair on your family, tbh.

Moondog
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Posted: 25th May 2007 05:24 Edited at: 25th May 2007 05:28
Perfect Zen! This is the type of responses i wanted! I could talk to a recruiter all i want, but in the end, their job is too convince me to join, not to scare me away. Thats why i want insider opinions.

Air-force has also appealed to me, but in the end, i thought the NAVY would be more what i was looking for in armed forces. AF was my second choice though.

ONe thing me and my wife have agreed upon was moving somewhere, and anywhere. She wants to get away from her controlling mother, and i want to get out of CInci. So i don't think moving would be a problem. I trust my wife as well, and she's not a drinker, so i'm not worried about her cheating on me. lol

life is weird sometimes, i've been thrown about many times. sometimes it's unbearable, and i just want to explode. i actually cut myself off from the world after high school for a whole year because of stress i was under. just nothing was going right at the time, and now it's even worse, but i have responsibilities, and must make good, no matter the pressure i have.

zoto:
theres death in all branches of military, i'm sorry, but theres no way around it. i'm not risking nearly as much by joining the NAVY then if i were not too. right now i have everything at risk, loosing my house, kid dieing from her illness because i lost my insurance, not being able to feed my family because i'll eventually run out of money, going to jail because i can't pay creditors, leaving my family to fend for themselfs...in the end, anything is better then my life now

MOONDOG

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Posted: 25th May 2007 05:29
Quote: "i actually cut myself"

Did exactly what Ruccus did...


Anyways, I'm just gonna say a few things.

When the going gets tough, the tough get going.


You'll manage, unless you lose hope. Hang in there. Everyone gets their big break.

zenassem
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Posted: 25th May 2007 05:35
I forgot to mention Moondog, that the military "at least the Air Force" has a program where they will pay off your school debt, and any other debt you may have. I can get the info for you, and you can look it over.

Being that you have schooling, you can "gaurantee" your job like I did. You may also, depending on the schooling completed, go in as an Officer. The military will help you finsih your schooling if need be. So you have options I didn't. This will make a big difference. Both in pay, and in options for a long career. I should have went in after 2 years of school, and finished as an officer. I didn't know. I thought the only way was being accepted to the Air Force Academy, which can be as difficult to get into as Harvard.

The recruiter's won't tell you these things all the time. You have a lot to offer the military. And you need to know that before signing anything. I'll get some info for you.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 05:35 Edited at: 25th May 2007 05:37
@Moondog -
Joining the military is definitely an option for you. You'll have to give up 4 years, but in the end you'll be a better person for it. It opens up so many opportunities for you.

I'm an Army vet myself, so of course that's the branch of service I'd recommend. However, I think that the Air Force would be a better choice for you than the Navy.

Quote: "because 10k of my dept is student loans"

The military will pay off your student loans. You'll also get housing allowance in addition to your base pay. If you keep your house it will offset your mortgage. As an E-4 it might not cover the entire payment, but it will take care of most of it.

If you have a bachelors degree, you'll be able to join as an E-4. You'll get paid more, and you'll be on the fast track to higher ranks. Officers in your unit will start trying to get you to become an officer if you are squared away, but don't do that unless you want to make the military your career.

It can be hard on your family. You'll definitely deploy to war at least once before this nasty Iraq business is wrapped up. Okinawa is a great duty station though. Kadena Air Base is nothing but airmen. People generally don't deploy from Okinawa. Plus, you can bring your family. There are Navy personnel here as well, but most of them work in the hospital and clinics.

Good luck, whatever your decision is.


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Moondog
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Posted: 25th May 2007 05:37 Edited at: 25th May 2007 05:44
lol, whats happened in my life, my karma must be ready to explode!

i'll never hurt myself or others, or kill myself, thats just stupid. i know people do it, but you'll never see me do it.

life might get better, it might now...i try to make good choices, but always end up in the dirt..must have been that mirror i broke 4 years ago on accident.

edit: heh, posts are all being made at the same time, so i have to go back and respond to posts i didn't see before i started writing a response.

anyway, thanks for the info cash and zen, it's very helpful in my decision making. oh, and i only have an associated degree in computer science and CGI..they didn't offer the bachelor's program at Full Sail until after i graduated. I could have went back, but that was another 10k, which i couldn't get a loan for. Also, FS isn't a credited school, so my degree probably means shiz...another reason i didn't go back, something i learned after graduating.

thats good news the military will pay my student loans, lol. I looked at benefits from the NAVY, and they seemed really good. Even new recruits got a decent amount. THough if i can climb the ranks early, that would be even better.

As for making this a career, only time and experience in whatever branch i go in will determine that.


MOONDOG

zenassem
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Posted: 25th May 2007 05:39
good job, Cahs Curtis II! I was posting as you were.

I was reading my post, and then it dawned on me. I forget to tell him about the benefits and schooling!

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Joining the Armed Forces because you can't find a job, while being an option, is not a good reason. I did it. I'm not sorry I did, but my situation was entirely different. I was 18 and single, and had a lot of growing up to do. It worked.

The military is not a job, it really is a way of life. At this point in time, you will likely be spending a great deal of time seperated from your family. The fact that you don't fear death is petty in comparison to the effect on your family, missing your children growing up, and what would happen to them in the event of your death or injury.

You have to do what is best for them, and if this turns out to be your best avenue, then by all means take it. I would exhaust all other possibilities first, but that's me.

Best of luck.

I'm sorry, my answers are limited. You must ask the right question.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 05:50 Edited at: 25th May 2007 05:51
I'm not just considering joining because i lost my job, it's just one of many events that have happened recently that have put me into a world of hurt.

i know it's a way of life, and joining could make me into a better person. I'm already respectful, and a good person, but i can be better in everything. I would like to go back to school soon, before i start to get too old, and earn my degree. I want to eventually teach High School art classes, and do freelance development on the sides

Believe me, i'm looking at all the information, and won't take anything likely, and i'm weighing everything into my final decision. This isn't something to make likely. And i do agree with you xplosys about joining the military for a job, that is a bad choice for joining.

MOONDOG

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Posted: 25th May 2007 05:55
I'm not afraid of death either, but then again I'm a grandfather and all my children have long ago grown ago into adulthood. But if I had a 3 year old and a 10 month old as you do I would certainly fear death, unless I were wallowing in hefty life insurance that did not exclude military casualties (most insurance does exclude military casualties), and I have a feeling you aren't.

My Dad talked me out of the Navy from about the time I could start understanding language. He was bombed at the Pearl Harbor attack, nearly killed, and a few thousand others WERE killed. The Navy is very safe when there is no surpise attack going on, but when there is, you are a sitting duck.

If it were not for the family issue, there is certainly precedent for creative fellows like yourself (I looked at your website) to take a Navy stint. Case in point - Thomas Pynchon, regarded by many as the greatest living American author.

But it is always best to make life-changing decisions as the one you are entertaining after airing your case with some experienced people with counselling skills, NEVER as a reaction to an uncharacteristic mental anguish such as losing 12 hours of work because of a technological glitch, and SELDOM after airing it on a forum which for the most part is populated by persons much younger and less experienced in life than yourself. You might get some sound advice here, and I hope that you regard mine as sound, but frankly advice based upon the supposed opportunity to have fun firing missile at somebody is not going to be of much help.

There are credit counselors out there, support groups, and others who might be able to provide some practical advice and encouragement in getting through your present strife when they review your specific situation. I urge you not to sign up for a military stint unless and until you have arrived at a cool-headed informed decision that it is the only way to go. The effect on your very young children of you leaving for indeterminate periods will be very severe on them. It could result in problems that will vex you for a period long-exceeding your current financial crunch.
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Posted: 25th May 2007 05:56
Quote: "so, military service seems like the route to go. still have to discuss this with my wife, she'll probably freak out, but i'm unconcerned about joining. I would join the NAVY because life on the sea appeals to me more then the other armed forces. And landing an assignment on a Nuclear Sub would be very fun.

So, whats your guys gals opinions? ANyone in active service, or were? Any info on the navy from yah would be much appreciated."

I got a friend who's a senior here at my highschool who's a DEPer into the Navy for Nuke. He seems up to that challenge, and its an 18k bonus after A school, so its nice.


Quote: "Sounds like you're in some rough times . I personally think the Navy would be the most boring branch of the armed forces to go into. All you really do is patrol the oceans and conduct training drills while living in a cramped space for months at a time. The navy rarely sees near as much action as the other armed forces (which could be good or bad, depending on what you want), and most of the work seems to be just crewmen, with very few actual combat people operating combat equipment. Personally, I would join the Army or the Marines, and possibly Special Forces, if I had to join the military, just because it seems like they get the most action, have the most impact, and are much more interactive. Anyways, just my opinion/preferences ."


With all due respect, you're a moron. You don't just patrol the ocean, as you're assuming that's what everyone does. SEALs get sent to the front lines before marines or anyone, so does SWCC and EOD for spec ops.

I'll get back to this. g2g
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Posted: 25th May 2007 06:18
I know someone who recently joined the army reserves. Her husband has been in the reserves since highschool, she just had her 3rd kid in January I think, and now went off to basic (i think) about a month ago. They've lived on base for awhile in a crappy house in Louisianna, but army just gave them a brand new home. (i forget why)

Joining for money isn't a bad idea, that's why most of my friends joined. Big sign on bonus for active. One of my friends right now is a recruiter for army reserves, so if you want to join army let me refer you so we can make a few extra bucks.

Or you could get lucky like my friend did and let everyone think you're an idiot your whole life then suddenly test into military intelligence and quickly out-rank everyone else. No clue what his salary is but I'm sure its rather decent.


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@SSS - Don't get too personal or expect a ban for the thousandth time.

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Quote: "With all due respect, you're a moron. You don't just patrol the ocean, as you're assuming that's what everyone does. SEALs get sent to the front lines before marines or anyone, so does SWCC and EOD for spec ops. "

He wasn't talking about joining the Seals now was he ? He was talking about doing exactly what I said, patrolling the oceans for at least six months at a time while living in cramped quarters most likely without seeing any action the entire time. The military interests me a lot, so I've seen more than enough shows on all branches to have some idea what I'm talking about...


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I wish i could help mate you have been a good friend to me but im poor too hah.

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@ Moondog - Sorry to hear about your plight mate! I know exactly how you feel, as I'm in almost the same position exactly, minus the kids.

My suggestion? Move to Australia

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if you dont really need the credit card, have it frozen to reduce the interest from 22 to 8%.

If you really need $100 I will paypal it to you for food etc.. it might round out at $80 but its there if you need it.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 09:13
Moondog-I feel terrible after reading your situation, your family, your house, your life. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do for the good of your family. If an easier life for them lies in you having to be at sea for six months, then that's something to consider not to mention I'm reading that they'll pay off school loans. There's a plus. I hope that didn't sound arrogant.

Of course you know that there is danger in even walking down the street, so I'm behind you with whatever you do, and although I can't send you monentary support *I wish I could*, if you allow me to, I would like to say just a small prayer on your families behalf.

Good luck with whatever you do for this, I know you can make it out. We all see bad times.

You have the support of the undead!!! *sorry just trying to cheer ya up.*
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Posted: 25th May 2007 10:14
Hard luck man, I feel sorry for you.

The Navy isn't a favourable choice, but when you're in debt and have no options, it is kind of inevitable, luckily in England (I don't know about America) we have all of these companies dedicated to getting you out of debt and helping you manage - but without a job that would still be a problem.

Best of luck in resolving your debt and job problems, life can be a pain in the rear sometimes. I'd hate to have the military as a final resort, so I hope you find a solution before you have to push yourself into the Navy - Also has your wife got a job? Perhaps she could temporarily work when you're not working, so you've got time to look after the kids and when your working she can do that - just so you can manage until you're able get back to the regular pace.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 11:35
Have you considered trying to sell the house and see if you can get a profit out of it? With the extra cash you might be able to reduce your debt somewhat, and give you more time to look for a job.

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Why dont we all donate a little money via paypal to help out moondogs situation i mean thats what the community is for to support each other we should care for our fellow programmer.

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Quote: "Have you considered trying to sell the house and see if you can get a profit out of it? With the extra cash you might be able to reduce your debt somewhat, and give you more time to look for a job."

That would likely be very unwise. Unless he has a ton of equity in the house, about 10 year's worth, it wouldn't be worth it. In fact he'd probably lose money. Selling a house is very expensive. Plus, he'd have to find a new place to live, and moving into an apartment requires a security deposit and likely the same monthly payment as his house. We rent out our house in Texas for more than the mortgage payment. It would be a complete mess.

Quote: "Why dont we all donate a little money via paypal to help out moondogs situation i mean thats what the community is for to support each other we should care for our fellow programmer."

That's probably a good idea, but there are likely few people that can do it. And it is certainly only a temporary solution.


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Posted: 25th May 2007 14:07
I feel really sorry for you Moondog, although I'm too young to have gone through anything like that myself.

I hope everything works out for you, but I'll miss you on the forums.

E.D.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 14:36
Don't rely on what you think the Navy would be like, go speak to ex-Navy people if you can, and find out what life on a nuclear sub is really like. From what I've heard it's pretty damn nasty, the last thing you need if your planning on moving onto military photography is being stuck in a tin can under the pacific. I think there's easier routes to what you want to do that don't involve inhaling other peoples farts all day, If your on a ship for instance, at least then you get decent contact with your family.

Personally, if I was young and in desperate need of work, then I'd consider becoming a firefighter, they get good money, and if you can stand the albeit rare instances where your dealing with death, then it's a really good, respected, and stable career. Not sure what benefits there are in the US, but in the UK there's a lot. Just a thought, firefighters tend not to want for anything these days.


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Posted: 25th May 2007 15:04
under the circumstances moondog I can understand why your considering the services, to be honest, only join the services because you WANT to join NOT because your being pushed into which is what is happening at the moment with your current unfortunate situation, I know it may not seem like it at the moment but you WILL get through it and you WILL get another job.

I was going to join the UK Army, got as far as taking all the tests, Numeracy, Literacy, BARB etc.. past with high scores etc... blah blah blah, few months of waiting for soooo long I decided not to in the end probably because the appeal wore off, it seemed like an attractive prospect at first then you realise your life won't be your own for the 4 years (min) your be in service, it'll be, do this, do that lalalalalalal I realised this before I started the application process then I woke up to the fact that I'm not going to be told what to do by some jumped up little twat on a power trip *LOL*.

The important thing to remember is do this for YOU, don't think about your debts, think about whether YOU want it, but take time to REALLY think about it, take your kids to the park, watch them play etc... and remember your be away for long stretches at a time, you won't see this and you will miss out so much while they grow up,

what's more important to you?
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I'm sorry if people got the wrong impression! I don't want anyone's money, nor would i take any donations of any kind! I didn't make the post for getting money, but to get information on the military. Thanks for the offer indi and admiral, means a lot.

My house is for sale, and has been for over 4 months. We're in line for subsidizes housing, which right now, we'd get very much dirt cheap. My wife has a part time job as a server, so our monthly payment would be about $125/month. I won't make any money off the house because I've had it for only 4 years, and i haven't built up enough equity as Cash said to actually earn anything back.

Eldest Dragon: Unless your 10, i'm not that old! I'm only 22 Just turned 22 on May 16th

I think Spock's mother said it best: "Does the good of the many out way the good of the one?"

Can be taken both ways I guess, but anyhow.

Van: At least in my area, firefighters are only paid minimum wages, and are strictly part-time. It's no fire-brigade, lol. I'd literary make more money working at Wallmart...ugh, dredge...

Like i said before, I'm listening to everyone, and not taking anything likely. I'm hoping to talk to some vets today, get some real facts on life in the military.

MOONDOG

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Posted: 25th May 2007 15:33
Quote: "Unless your 10"

I'm not ten, but neither am I yet 18.
I'm very mature for my age though, which can suck a lot.

E.D.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 15:41
Speaking as an Army veteran, my recommendation is for you to join the Air Force. If I had it to do all over again, that's the route I'd have taken. I have a friend (was my best man) who was in the Navy for sometime (he was a Nuke) and he got to go all over the world; he just didn't like his job too much. He tried going after SEAL training, but they wouldn't let him leave the Nuke program to do it.

The military does give you some stability, as far as the pay and benefits go; but it also gives you more confidence, and allows you to see places you normally wouldn't have. I spent 3 years in Germany with my wife (our daughter was born in Heidlberg), and it was great; we saw plenty of things we wouldn't have normally seen, paid for by the Army.

However, I would have pursued a more technical career in the Air Force (instead of a diesel mechanic in the Army); then either got out or retired, and picked up a similar civilian job.

I also had a buddy who owned a house while in the Army (he was an E-4); he couldn't keep up with the payments (they won't pay you housing allowance for two residences), and lost his house...which was a big hit to his credit. My suggestion is to wait until you have finished all your training (you'll get full pay as soon as you set foot at basic), then moved your family to your first duty station; then try to sell your house. That way everybody's got a roof over their head, and you'll be able to take a bit of leave to wrap up the sale.

I think joining the military is a good idea for you (I think you said you were in your early thirties?) at this point. Make sure you research all available bonuses, student loan repayment programs (you can go to school while you're in as well...often they'll pick up 100% of the tuition), and different jobs available (after you take your ASVAB). Also make sure you talk to plenty of veterans; search for various military forums. Make sure you get everything you've got coming to you, because the government sure as heck is going to get it out of you.

Check out the main site(s) of the branches of service you're thinking about joining, as they often have up to date info. You should be able to get choice of duty station for your first enlistment, as well as your first re-enlistment (that's how I landed Germany).

When you look at the jobs offered, make sure they explain to you what those jobs entail; DO NOT feel obligated to take what they have, if it's not what you want. Don't let them tell you that you can always reclass later on...that's not always true.

Don't forget that they own you for a total of 8 years, no matter how long you sign up for.

Again, I would say go for the Air Force (they have Combat Controllers if you want something high-speed); but if you're set on the Navy, be sure to check out the Coast Guard as well.

Good luck, and keep us posted.

-Keith

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Posted: 25th May 2007 15:48
I'm really sorry to hear about this... I wish you luck in whatever you decide to do...


Here's a suggestion. Do you have any mostly old people neighborhoods? If you do, start knocking on doors and handing out fliers telling them you'll do yardwork and minor home maintenance. THEY'LL LOVE YOU. Seriously, I do this. I'm only 18 and I'm only making $8.50 an hour, but it's under the table and that definitely beats the crap out of minimum wage Wal-Mart. You could charge them more and they'd still be happy. You especially need to find the ones who lost husbands and have no one to talk to. They'll talk to you all day and you don't barely even have to work.

The thing is, I really wish I wasn't doing these jobs, I don't enjoy that sort of thing, I'd rather go apply around at computer shops, even if it means less money. So, the bad thing is, is that they are all trying to pass out my name. I'm already near full time with these people spring/summer/fall. Even if you do it for temporary, it's worth a shot.

Probably a ridiculous idea lol.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 16:44
Why dont you become a plumber? I heard they get paid tons!

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Posted: 25th May 2007 16:47 Edited at: 25th May 2007 16:49
I offered you help if you needed it.
Im ok if you dont need or want it,
I know what its like to feel against the wall, however Im happy to still offer if it need be.
if your in trouble dont ask for time to repay, just feed your kids mate.

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Thanks for the info Keith. Airforce is starting to sound like the more enjoyable move. Though I'm 22! lol

Agent Dink: Good idea, only thing is i live in a city now...moved here from my family's farm...blah i don't like it at all, but it was cheap living. SO not much old man community's.

My house is only $54k, 3 bedroom, 1 bath(soon to be 2), two floors, plus basement, gas heating and town water. Not bad if you ask me. The house is pretty nice too, just a little old, i think it's about 110 years old.

edit: three posts at once, this thread is hard to follow, hah.

indi: your a good friend, but i've always felt i needed to handle my own problems, it's just something i've drilled into my character. i'd never want to burden anyone else with helping me out, no matter if their willing or not.

uh, plumber? lol...i'd need training still, and even then, blah! Rather work at Waltrash.

Hey, if you guys really want to help out, give me some freelance work lol. $0.01 per textured poly plus 1000 frames of animation, FREE! BUY NOW! lol..seriously, i'm not joking, lol!

Before i got laid off, (i'm still not allowed to show my work, what BS) i was making roughly 30k/year, not bad i say. And i've done freelance around the city area, usually charging $0.10 a poly, which is still cheap. Though i rarely got jobs because i was a single man and not a company, more BS for yah.

MOONDOG

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Posted: 25th May 2007 17:12 Edited at: 25th May 2007 17:14
I don't know if you'll find much, but if you're looking for contract work try http://scriptlance.com/, or have a look at this thread for possible 3D work: http://www.gamedevelopers.ie/forums/viewtopic.php?p=32256

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Quote: "uh, plumber? lol...i'd need training still, and even then, blah! Rather work at Waltrash.

Hey, if you guys really want to help out, give me some freelance work lol. $0.01 per textured poly plus 1000 frames of animation, FREE! BUY NOW! lol..seriously, i'm not joking, lol!

Before i got laid off, (i'm still not allowed to show my work, what BS) i was making roughly 30k/year, not bad i say. And i've done freelance around the city area, usually charging $0.10 a poly, which is still cheap. Though i rarely got jobs because i was a single man and not a company, more BS for yah."


Don't join the military >.< ffs you have kids:/

Here's an idea, if you're just a single man and not getting freelance work cuz you're not a company... form a company!

Seriously.. who's that one dude here who makes anime models, he prolly makes a boatload off of doing that, find a niche market.. like making 3d models of electronics for use in video or promotions or something...

Doing that stuff will be far more profitable than joining the military 'simply cuz it seems like a good idea'...

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it would not be a burden to help a friend at hard times, im not exactly poor or selfish bro.
If you dont have friends, who are true, why would frodo not have sam.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 17:51
This thread sucks, Jeku calm down, Gil was making an assumption, and brought up Spec ops, and he said the Navy is the most boring branch, which it necessarily isn't.

Quote: "He was talking about doing exactly what I said, patrolling the oceans for at least six months at a time while living in cramped quarters most likely without seeing any action the entire time. The military interests me a lot, so I've seen more than enough shows on all branches to have some idea what I'm talking about..."

They don't just patrol the ocean, I know tons of people who aren't that high ranking who have land jobs, and the main purpose of the Navy is to not see action, unless you're special forces.

geez, research before you post next time.
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i've been seeing a trend when talking to people about this. People who never been in the military say don't join, and people who have been in the military say the exact opposite

as for starting a company, i do have a label that i slap on my work, with an LLC extension, it's just i don't lie when i say I'm a one man studio, and most people needing work done think i'm too cheap, which to them obviously means i do low quality work, even if i show them past work. more BS, lol

i'm putting together a new demo reel and will be setting up my website again, had to take down because the web hosting was hacked, blah. i'll see how business rolls in, and in the meantime I'll try to get a decent part time job doing stocking or something at a local store.

but i'm not saying i'm ruling out the military. it's still an option for me

MOONDOG

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Quote: "i've been seeing a trend when talking to people about this. People who never been in the military say don't join, and people who have been in the military say the exact opposite "


That's because 90% of them don't know what they're talking about. Anyway, go to military.com and research all you can about Navy bootcamp. They got great tips, like when you leave for RTC, bring only the clothes on your back, and don't wear anything that would bring you negative attention.

Good luck with your decisions.
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That's the forum I was trying to remember, SSS. Military.com has plenty of vets from all branches that can give you much info.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 18:16
SSS - You got told off by Jeku for being personal (And from the tone of your last post, you're doing it again), if you're going to contradict someones point, do it nicely please - I mean we don't want Moondog's thread by people getting personal over insignificant apparently-incorrent information. Just leave it, it's not worth it.

Moondog - If you're looking for 3D work, there's the odd job that appears in the 'Job' section of the following forum - might be worth keeping an eye on - If that's your option, get that job at Walmart and do part time freelance 3D and do some self promotion as well (That's what my Mum is doing until she finds a proper job - except its not 3D and it's illustration and not Walmart but Woolworths )

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