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Geek Culture / Replacing Windows

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heartbone
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Posted: 29th May 2007 19:22
My 2ยข....
Nowadays the vast majority of computer users use their systems for:
- Web browsing / information lookup
- Communication: E-mail, web cams, & instant messaging
- Document creation
- Photo processing
- Music
- Commercial transactions
- Game playing

After analyzing things I have come to the startling conclusion that a modern Linux distribution can replace Windows for everything but the games.

How ironic is it that after Windows gained dominant market share through the business sector, that the Windows strength lies in the games area?

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Posted: 29th May 2007 19:42 Edited at: 29th May 2007 19:44
Get a professional to do it, we had to replace our double glazed windows in the kitchen, we just hired someone to do it, much more convenient and safer. (Sorry bad joke)

-Don't forget the artists and musicians and business types - Not many apps are compatible with Linux but are more so with Windows and Mac, Windows have the biggest variety, The GIMP and Blender aren't my ideal art programs - Cinema 4D, Photoshop, Hexagon and Zbrush for me - with no versions for Linux .

But this seems like another jab at Windows to me. Just remember people use Windows not because they're ignorant to what Linux is like, but because they choose to and have their reasons for doing so. Same for Mac users. When trying Linux I wasn't convinced it would replace Windows for me, a Mac would though, except the inability to use Dark Basic, I'd probably have to pay money to switch a couple of non-mac compat. programs to their mac versions and of course Macs themselves cost more. And once you get along with Windows, it isn't as bad as one can percieve.

It's good you found Linux and love it - that's why it's your chosen, but remember ignorance isn't the reason why people use Windows.

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Posted: 29th May 2007 20:36 Edited at: 29th May 2007 20:57
So what exactly is the point of this thread? To state something that was known years ago?

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Posted: 29th May 2007 20:39 Edited at: 29th May 2007 20:48
Quote: "After analyzing things I have come to the startling conclusion that a modern Linux distribution can replace Windows for everything but the games.
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If it can run DX10 and Visual Studio on it, then I'm sold. Oh, wait....

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Quote: "to what Linux is like, but because they choose to and have their reasons for doing so. "


Exactly. I cannot compile apps which work for both Linux and Windows on Linux. I cannot on Windows either - but since Windows is the "lowest common denominator" in OS'es in terms of demographic, it makes sense to favor the latter. And heck, if someone offers up a Linux machine so I can cross-compile, I would. But as a primary dev machine, it makes no sense.

Quote: "that the Windows strength lies in the games area?"

I would disagree there - the fact that win32/64 is a viable gaming platform is somewhat of a miracle, and when making said games, you really do feel the 'rub' against what you're doing; you're forcing a predominantly business-aimed OS (because that is what the "heart" of Windows really is) to do something which is ultimately quite flimsy/tricky

It definitely isn't its strength, but it is its strength when it comes to comparison against other OS'es at least (but then again, it's not just games either - a lot of software does not run on Linux, either at all, or to the "fullest extent")


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Posted: 29th May 2007 20:55
Quote: "Nowadays the vast majority of computer users use their systems for:
- Web browsing / information lookup
- Communication: E-mail, web cams, & instant messaging
- Document creation
- Photo processing
- Music
- Commercial transactions
- Game playing"


Yeah, pretty much, but these people who use the computer for everyday, common tasks, generally have no idea how to install and configure either Windows or Linux. They buy a computer with Windows because there are few-to-none with a Linux option.

The rest of use who run non-standard programs, if you will, need Windows for the sheer number of programs that run on it, and the lack of programming available for Linux.

It's a valid point, but doesn't really mean much.

Best.

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Posted: 29th May 2007 20:55
Quote: "to do something which is ultimately quite flimsy/tricky "

Have you never tried DS homebrew?


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 29th May 2007 22:07
Quote: "Have you never tried DS homebrew?"


Have you never tried DX programming?


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Posted: 29th May 2007 22:37
Nope. But the DS is so clumsy - sound is quite difficult because the ARM7, which controls sound, is nigh on impossible to send data to without delving into some serious sound decoding and things. At least with DX there's built in sound decoding... I think.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 30th May 2007 00:42 Edited at: 30th May 2007 00:45
linux has a c and c++ compiler, carnt you do anything you want with these langwidges?

linux is far more stable than windows, you can leev it running for weeks without it slowing down. windows crashes in a cupple of days

bad points
dont even consider wireless as you will be trying to get it working for weeks!
do not get ati graphics cards! until the drivers are fixed

create a dual boot, this is what ive dun. lern to use your second os, you will brake it atlest once!. you have your windows install for gaming and getting work dun untill you lern your new os well enugh

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Posted: 30th May 2007 00:47
Quote: "linux has a c and c++ compiler, carnt you do anything you want with these langwidges?"


Yes, but what about ease and articulation? I'm sure some of our beginners/hobbyists will want to full out program a C++ game.

Quote: "linux is far more stable than windows, you can leev it running for weeks without it slowing down. windows crashes in a cupple of days"


To be honest, I've never left my computer running that long, the lights would keep me awake. But I have noticed Windows slow down from when it's been on for the most of the day, especially if something like Firefox has been left open when I've gone for dinner and come back (I hope this won't happen once I nab more ram)- I suppose standby is there for a reason (But large downloads over night and other purposes aren't exactly essential there for standby to be used)

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Posted: 30th May 2007 00:55
blitz max works on linux

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Posted: 30th May 2007 01:12 Edited at: 30th May 2007 01:12
Quote: "linux has a c and c++ compiler, carnt you do anything you want with these langwidges?"


C and C++ does not mean automatic awesome game. There is no Direct3D API for Linux. And it's "languages".

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Posted: 30th May 2007 01:21
there is open gl. dx is junk becose its microsoft

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Posted: 30th May 2007 03:33
GIMP / Blender / Cinema 4D / Photoshop / Hexagon
all run on a variant of BSD unix called OSX

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Posted: 30th May 2007 03:58 Edited at: 30th May 2007 04:02
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After analyzing things I have come to the startling conclusion that a modern Linux distribution can replace Windows for everything but the games."


Most of the general crappy Linux distributions like Red Hat make that true.

However, Kubuntu 6.0+ comes with wine, which is a free trans-gaming program that has support for just about every non-DX10 game you can get.
Wine lets you even play DX9-only games, I don't know how, but it works great.

I play TES 4 - Oblivion on it better then I do on windows.
Doom 3 runs MUCH better.

All of the cool free programs like Blender and Gimp are native to Linux.

Plus, Ubuntu 7.0 has a new click-to-install system like windows, without the console.

Another thing, you can't get Beryl in Windows.
Beryl is a 3d window program sort of like Vista Premium's, but it does a lot more things, looks a lot better, and takes a lot less memory.

And for those of you who think that you can't have basic in Linux, Blitz3d is also for Linux.

Quote: "Cinema 4D, Photoshop, Hexagon and Zbrush for me - with no versions for Linux ."


Really now?

I have not heard of Cinema 4d or Hexagon, but Zbrush and Photoshop can be used through Wine, I am pretty sure.

Even if your wine version can't do those, you still do have Gimp as a Photoshop alternative, even though it isn't quite as good.

I also won't pay a bunch of money if I can get an almost-as-good program for free: Photoshop VS. Gimp, Blender VS. 3ds Max.

But, Linux does come at the cost of a pain to use sometimes, even Kubuntu.

First of all, it takes a lot of work to install, and you cannot make one mistake during the installation or you have to start all over.

Second, the install system requires you to use the console.
Though, Ubuntu allows you to open the console from a folder, so the console jumps to the folder you are in, so all you have to type in is the filename.
Still not as easy as double-clicking. (Well, not below Ubuntu 7.0).

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Posted: 30th May 2007 03:59
Quote: "there is open gl. dx is junk becose its microsoft
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man that gets annoying.

Lets be serious here, so in your world anything associated with microsoft is junk? The computer wouldnt be here today without them.Yes Linux is great but at the end of the day, microsoft has you pinned.The are many things that you need microsoft for, but to tell you the truth if I could(meaning it would be 100% compatible) I WOULD rather use osx/linux but so would everyone else i.e. malware writers, hackers ,crackers you get my drift. It really is all of a giant balance, one mistake and were boned.

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First of all Wine has been around since 1993, trans-gaming is a late comer to the plan who configures games to work with it. Trans Gamings website was initiated in the year 2000.

2nd of all, the progams Ive mentioned above are running on the system im using now.

3rdly, there were computers and operating systems before and in parallel to windows, and for at least 50 years. MS wouldnt be around without pinching BSD code for networking etc.

Its amazing how information gets distorted by the ill informed.

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Dont get me wrong indi, I love osx but its not something id use like windows.Everyody is entitled to their own oppinion I just thought computers would be pretty different without it.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 06:47
Quote: "there is open gl. dx is junk becose its microsoft"


A little uneducated are we? OpenGL is a graphics API--- period. DirectX API is for visual, audio, controls, network, etc. Of course I would expect you to know that being on a video game programming forum and all

Slam MS all you want, but DirectX is probably one of their greatest accomplishments. And they don't charge a dime for the API.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 08:25
I personally use OSX now for a lot of my sound design.

Protools makes OSX very important, and my power g5 dual core runs like a beast, running reason + native instruments guitar rig + protools + several keyboards hooked up without slowdown.

I however only use it for sound design.

My Windows machine has a lot more familiarity to it, and I use it for 3d rendering, and 2d design. Very fun stuff there.

I use Linux for web scripting/coding, and I hate clutter when I code sites, and I can remove a lot of the interface if I need to.

I like them all personally.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 09:11
Quote: "bad points"
Add getting XFi soundcards to work. Think there is a complicated method to getting basic sound to work (that sound project site that I forget the name of) but I gave up in the end and used the pants onboard sound instead. Apparently drivers are due sometime at the end of 2007.

Quote: "you can't get Beryl in Windows"
Not the exact package no, but you can get things that are quite similar. You mentioned Vista yourself, and StarDock do WindowsFX that is pretty similar (and came out way before Beryl apparently). Only thing that I don't like is the wavy window functionality (move a window with Beryl and it goes wavy. You have to use it to see what I mean) in WindowsFX as even though it works uses up way more processing that Beryl and the way it grabs windows is pants. Basically round edges get the background graphics in the square it grabs of the window. I've used the same code myself and personally couldn't get it to make screen grabs of a non-square window without getting some of the background. Oh, and there is a cube desktop thing for XP. Haven't tried it myself but it is in development and you can try a beta I believe. Google Beryl XP and you should get some good examples.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 12:15
About wireless in linux, with Kubuntu, it picked up and initialised my wireless card immediately, as opposed to Windows where I have to install drivers manually. The same is true for a lot of hardware. However, if the drivers aren't bundled with your distro, the fun starts having to compile them for your specific kernel. The average Joe Soap will have no idea what to do, and even if they do a ./configure && make && make install, chances are they'll be missing something like kernel headers or whatever, and be totally stumped.
I attribute this to the fact that the Linux kernel develops at a faster rate than the Windows one, but it's still unsuitable for non-powerusers.
For gaming, Linux isn't bad, I was playing Beyond the Red Line, a Freespace mod on both Windows and Linux, and suprisingly (to me anyway) it ran better on Linux. Wine isn't all it's made out to be, I've spent a few days this week fiddling with it, trying to just get Steam (not even the games) to run, with no success.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 12:15
This entire thread is stupid. Full of so many "so-called" facts, most of which are just BS.

What irritates me is how people rag on Microsoft and Windows all the time. If you don't want to use it anymore, then don't.
No one cares, why you changed to a new OS.. or even that you have!

This entire post just reiterates the point I made in another thread about how when people move to the linux culture they change into these wierd zelots who must "spread the word of Linux".
What is stupid is none of you can even agree on, which damn distro is the best.

Knoppix, Debian, Red Hat, SuSE, Ubuntu?
It's like religions, they're all basically the same damn thing; people just keep arguing about the specifics. What's next on your list explaining how you've converted from Protestant to Cathloic and how I'm some sorta heathen for not doing the same?

As for the rest of you, get a sodding clue.
You want to rag on Microsoft simply for being Microsoft, then how about you actually bother to think about what they've done for the modern computer market.

"DirectX is crap because it's from Microsoft", great sentiment but let me ask you.. do you even know what DirectX is past being a development API majoritively use for games? I would bet you have no idea that actually DirectX is the underlying technology that connects the OS, Hardware and Developer. This is why drivers can be quickly updated often on Windows, in-fact it's fairly painless to develop drivers for the Windows platform.

There is much more beside this as well, that Microsoft have brought to the market

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Posted: 30th May 2007 12:36
windows all the way. gaming makes up for about 33% of my cpu usage, another 33% being DBP.

and quite frankly i've had too many bad experiences when installing linux. when installing linux once i selected "USB mouse" as my input device, the installation crashed and decided to take out my windows partition with it. another time i installed linux, it told me i had to go online to download the drivers for my network card in order to.. guess what.. go on the internet.

pile of poop if you ask me.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 12:45
Yet windows doesn't do the same? Linux has more of a habit of automatically installing drivers for me than Windows does, no driver disks or downloading off the internet at all. And nowadays, Linux doesn't ask you stuff about mice or anything anymore (depending on distro of course) but it auto-detects it, so it's really come a long way.

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I can say this, my business is very successful without any Microsoft products.

MS and its problems earn me a lot of money as well fixing the computers a typical user owns.
Windows is pretty good in many ways and its adequete but if you think about it, still requires a fair bit of your time just like the other OSES to avoid pitfalls.

I save hours a week not having to deal with it myself for my business.
Im enjoying computers again using OSX and linux.

I enjoy using windows for certain things, but its not as fun anymore.
Its very riddled with problems.
Direct X was supposed to eliminate the problems of many video cards.
now DX 10 is bringing back that problem.

I love DarkBasic but not the operating system its currently on.
Its a shame TGC does not have the budget to develop it with OPENGL U*ix.
Id be up all night again like the old days.

I run all three and used to also run IRIX but I sold that machine for the expenses and have done for years, I know the pros and cons of each one.

I have yet to lose a partition or one file from a linux distro, Im not that dumb or naive not to back up prior to testing betas etc.

Frankly gaming and game dev in easy DBP 3d is binding me to Windows and thats it nowadays. plus this great community of distinct individuals.

Sure I could write my own, I like the ease of DBP without wasting my life and exploring deeper.
I havent lied about working for blizzard either, stares blankly at raven.

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Quote: "I havent lied about working for blizzard either, stares blankly at raven."


I'd suggest you be careful about accusations.

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And don't you be walking through these woods at night mister.... Sorry, watched all of The Fast Show again last night. Class

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Posted: 30th May 2007 14:14 Edited at: 30th May 2007 14:15
Quote: "I'd suggest you be careful about accusations."

last time this popped up you said you and your brother was using the same account.
Who am I talking to you if thats the case please.?
Perhaps its the same person, but with two identities.
Whoever set this account up is responsible for both parties.
Dont you have a truespace 3 "three wheeled car" transformer to transform mate?

My current GF who works as a social worker deals with Depressed Schizophrenia every day.
It borderlines ten years of your posts and claims, worked for blizzard, seen and played with an iphone, etc etc. I feel only sorry if you have this affliction, your still an ok bloke if you have this condition.
Its not my place to say so however a decade of your stuff makes me wonder however mate.
Anyone who gets cranky over an operating system must have some issues

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Posted: 30th May 2007 14:44
Quote: "You want to rag on Microsoft simply for being Microsoft, then how about you actually bother to think about what they've done for the modern computer market."


Actually I have raven, that is why I am sharing this knowledge.
IMHO Microsoft has damaged the personal computer market immensely.
Did you ever work with computers before Microsoft operating systems?
I doubt it, but if so which one?

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Quote: "Did you ever work with computers before Microsoft operating systems?"
Depends what you mean. An MS O/S existed before I even touched my Speccy, but I didn't touch an actual MS O/S until 1989. And that came on a 5.25" floppy

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It's easy to gloss over this in gross generalizations, but changing to new a OS is as big a move as it gets in the computing world. Much like moving house. Not something you want to do on a whim.

Anyway, once a user is established with something (insert OS name here), it's easy for them to develop a certain familiarity, security, mind set with their chosen environment. So it's equally understandable why punters in general tend to the stick with what they know (as it evolves), rather than jumping ship to some new potentially alien world. Even when a completely viable alternative exists.

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windows takes so mutch time to maintain. it reduces the time i have to do things witch need doing

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Just like indi, DB is my main reason for keeping Windows my default OS.

I really don't like the Blitz language syntax else I'd go there.

If PlayBASIC would port to Linux,
I'd focus my efforts there make it my future and make dying Windows the secondary OS.
Kevin, has Underware Design seriously considered if they would be succesful with a Linux release?
I'd buy it as soon as it was available.

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Quote: "windows takes so mutch time to maintain. it reduces the time i have to do things witch need doing"


Oh dear God man, stop making a fool of yourself. In Windows you don't need to spend ages going through config files to change a particular setting that there's no config file for. As long as you have a firewall and are at all computer-literate, Windows shouldn't need much maintenance at all, and most of it can be done in about 2 clicks. Linux also doesn't need a lot, but when it does chances are you'll be playing around with the console.

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I don't think that Linux is quite ready for Joe sixpack and soccer Mom.

It is about where Windows 95 Original Release was in user friendliness, so they will still need an expert to help occasionally.

Apparently DELL thinks this as well.

Linux is completely ready for you and I (with above average computer knowledge).

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Posted: 30th May 2007 15:48 Edited at: 30th May 2007 15:48
Please stop fanboying hessiess any comment ive heard from you about ms is mostly bs. Its like linux brainwashed you or something.

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Quote: "last time this popped up you said you and your brother was using the same account."


that must've been quite some time ago, because those with issues with me chased away both of my brothers. one got so pissed off with the reception he got at RGT he didn't touch programming at all for a while, then when I convinced him to try asking on here; again he got a similar kind of reception using my account, and no no longer programs at all. The other one had his own account on here, showed off some artwork he was proud of; only to have people here lay into him and while he still does artwork and is now dabbling in programming he had me teach him C++ with DirectX so he didn't have to deal with anyone here again.

So ya know, some of you I pretty much hate (like yourself) for how you've treated my family. So forgive me if this sort of comment doesn't sit well. ESPECIALLY given it was one of you jackass' fault getting me fired in the first place from Blizzard phoning up and posing as my father.

So quite frankly you can go **** yourself.

Quote: "Actually I have raven, that is why I am sharing this knowledge.
IMHO Microsoft has damaged the personal computer market immensely.
Did you ever work with computers before Microsoft operating systems?
I doubt it, but if so which one?"


OSs that I used prior to Windows?
MS-DOS (with X-Tree), DR-DOS, Unix (BSD), AmigaOS (Workbench), MacOS, AcornOS (Arcimedies) and Solaris.

I used to use AmigaOS, and MacOS quite extensively. While no doubt because of this I find them the best when dealing with art development, until VERY recently (i.e. MacOSX, AmigaOS 4) they were both incredibly unstable. Far more so than Windows ever has been. As far as GUI Operating Systems go, Windows in my experience has always lead in stability terms. This for me has ment over the years using the alternatives less, because despite some performance increases pure cost, upgrability and stability to me are paramount.

As I said, until recently MacOS didn't offer much stability and as far as upgrability went options were limited and expensive.

The fact that Windows has the largest software base of alternatives, free or otherwise really lends itself. It also is the most useable to do daily tasks on, very simple and quick.

Windows Vista and Ubuntu are currently on this system, both latest builds. Vista out-performs Ubuntu by quite a margin just booting up, e-mailing and browsing the internet. When development using C++ comes in to play, compiling fairly identical applications is not only quicker (especially utilising my dual core processor properly) but also is much easier and more simple.

For my needs Linux quite frankly just isn't there just yet. Alright so it's made some impressive strides to catch up with Windows in terms of usability. It however isn't there yet, because rather than focusing on what makes something usable, they're focusing on what makes Windows usable.

I was once told by someone in this industry I respect a great deal, that the key to making some that appeals to lots of people is to make something you personally enjoy using daily. Not just applications but games as well. I think that's entirely true for Windows, because despite the company being full of developers .. they're not students. It's like when you have a car, if you have any engineer friends you'll find their cars are always in bits and look a mess; while they might be very well tuned engines, there's no comfort and it's always adapted specifically to their needs. If however you are in a manufacturer cars, then while it might not have the performance or any alterations that make it technically a better vehicle; they're comfortable and do the job they're intended to.

Linux started out as a minimum version of Unix. Created by a student for basically any need. The whole concept was "no frill, or spills". Great, but problem is people want it as another valid x86 OS to rival Windows; but those who work on it are still in that student mentality. When a company finally does take the Linux kernel and make something that can be used as an everyday OS; then fine, but the culture behind Linux just seems to be trying to prevent this. They want it to remain "Linux", and for people to like it for what it is.. unfortunately what we perceive as Linux is a collection of tools born out of necessity rather than usability.

People want to see a great everyday OS born from the *nix kernel, then look at MacOSX. There are features in that, which Microsoft have adapted for Vista because they were good ideas. Features that appear in Linux as well. There's nothing stopping a good Linux OS from appearing, not technically. Ubuntu is a good attempt, but it's still not close to Windows or MacOSX.

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windows is the only os witch braks itself. in linux you only haft to set things up once unless you change the hardwere/kernel. windows needs constent work to ceep it usable, but it still needs reinstaling about once a year, and needs restarting regulaly. my pc takes 11 munites to boot, it takes slightly longer every time its booted. and the internet conection dies wen its left idle

do you want to be in controal of your pc? or do you want microsoft to be in controal?

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Posted: 30th May 2007 16:35 Edited at: 30th May 2007 16:39
It sounds like you need to go get a new PC.

Quote: "windows needs constent work to ceep it usable"

Yes, you need to run spyware/virus checks, which is normal.

Quote: "but it still needs reinstaling about once a year"

Isn't this true of any system that accumulates a load of crap over that time?

Quote: "and needs restarting regulaly"

Mine doesn't, sounds like you are running some dodgy software.

Quote: "my pc takes 11 munites to boot"

Well than that is either your fault for using an underpowered PC, or installing too much crap.

Quote: "it takes slightly longer every time its booted"

It only does so for me when more stuff is installed.

Quote: "and the internet conection dies wen its left idle"

You need to go get a new ISP then.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 16:37
Quote: "windows is the only os witch braks itself. in linux you only haft to set things up once unless you change the hardwere/kernel. windows needs constent work to ceep it usable, but it still needs reinstaling about once a year, and needs restarting regulaly. my pc takes 11 munites to boot, it takes slightly longer every time its booted. and the internet conection dies wen its left idle"


I have a machine here, which is used primarily for old DOS/Win95 games. Mainly because Windows NT has never liked them, and only plays a select few. It's also up'n'running in-case anyone wants to check e-mail, ebay, or surf without worrying about anything.

The machine is a simple P2-266MHz, 512MB, S3 Savage Pro 32MB AGP, 40GB UDMA/33 System. In-fact it's the one I was using when I first started developing with Dark Basic back in 2000.

The machine runs on Windows Millennium Edition, no updates running on the drivers that came with the hardware it uses. This machine doesn't crash, doesn't need rebooting. In-fact if it wasn't for turning it off when I visit every 6months to clean out the dust it could quite happily stay on perminantly.

Yes, after about 6months the performance drops; but as if by some miricle cleaning out the dust returns the system back to it's original performance. I'll leave you to figure out why this is, but surfice to say.. Windows can be stable, it's just a case of how you use it. Adverage users will often have more stable computers than so-called "power users", simply because they never touch anything. In the same respect though, they'll always loose performance cause they never clean their system either physically or software wise.

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1.66 dual core 2 gig ram, it shouldent take 10+ munites to boot!

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ok man, we get it.

You dont like microsoft, but guess what, you are more than likely using it.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 16:41
Quote: "windows needs constent work to ceep it usable, but it still needs reinstaling about once a year, and needs restarting regulaly. my pc takes 11 munites to boot, it takes slightly longer every time its booted. and the internet conection dies wen its left idle"


Get a new PC.

I've had my PC running the same version of windows, I only reinstalled it due to my HDD dying but that wasn't the fault of Windows. What do you mean by regular maintenance? other than the odd defrag I have to do nothing else. My Dev PC is very rarely left on over night due to the power usage but I have a server PC(Win XP) which has seen uptimes of one month before I've reset it so I have no idea what you're talking about. Also both PCs take 1 min ish to bootup which is not a problem.

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Quote: "some of you I pretty much hate "

Like me Raven, you've said so many insane things that it's impossible to list them all. You have a certain special style of writing (neither good nor bad) that is very identifiable. Every Raven post I've ever seen was made by you. I don't know why your 'brothers' would pretend to be you, but in every crazy post I've seen I know that's not true. Mr. Blizzard. Mr. Jedi Academy. Mr. Updated ODE but won't Release it. Let's not do this, okay? Why deny what we already know? I've been very civil to you lately because you've been on pretty good behavior. That can certainly change.


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Posted: 30th May 2007 16:47
Quote: "1.66 dual core 2 gig ram, it shouldent take 10+ munites to boot!"


I'm using a 1.8GHz Core 2 Duo, 1GB DDR2, SATA2 HDD via Raid.
Takes me approx. 25seconds to boot, unless I boot from hibernation; then it's less than 5 seconds.

And that's on Vista for crying out loud which takes much longer than XP.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 16:50
Hessiess, quit spouting crap, there are plenty of Windows servers in the world that rarely need restarting, and if you think Linux is just this infinitely stable magic OS, than you must have never actually used it.


My biggest problem with linux (besides its fanbase) is that there aren't a whole lot of standardization for program development. With Windows you have the Win32 API, which is an all-in-one package and is pretty much as low level as it gets without using Assembly; with Linux it's a different story. You have the X11 library, which would be OK if it included some default controls, but since it doesn't you have to use massive widget libraries like GTK or QT, and then there's the sound libraries: the new one is ALSA but there's still plenty of programs that depend on OSS. But it's not that bad, libraries like SDL make it easier.

That's not as bad as you think you said.
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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:02
Quote: "Like me Raven"


I don't hate you. Just think you're a bit of a twat.

Quote: "Every Raven post I've ever seen was made by you."


On this account, yes. In-fact my last account too, what Indi is talking about was long ago on RGT; but one of my brothers made his own accout on here. Quite a few people here who didn't like me, claimed that it was me; and started on him.

Quote: "I don't know why your 'brothers' would pretend to be you"


None of my brother's "pretended" to be me. The claim was I was pretending to be one of them. What I find stupid is some people here still think I'm a lass, they believe I'm some american who pretends to be english (because they aparently found the "real" me once), oh and no doubt if they believe i'm pretending to be my brothers probably don't believe i even have any. I mean hell after pictures of me no one has ever seen a picture of my brothers... oh conspiricy think about it!

Quote: "Mr. Blizzard. Mr. Jedi Academy. Mr. Updated ODE but won't Release it."


Well one person on here knows full well the companies I've worked for, if not more. Because both at EA and Blizzard not only has someone pretended to be a member of my family to find out if I worked there, but one time at Blizzard they were patched through when they couldn't get the info they wanted.

It's a shock to say the least, when you expect your father to be on the end of the phone calling up to let you know the operation has gone alright for someone to be on the other end saying "you're a fake". Even after barring the number they kept trying.
Hell there used to be some sick'n'twisted tribute forum where these people used to meet to talk about my latest "claims", despite if they were talking about an actual claim or just assuming something.

Yet somehow, I'M the one with problem?! Yeah right. Whatever, some quite weird freaks are here with little to no lives.

Quote: "Let's not do this, okay? Why deny what we already know? I've been very civil to you lately because you've been on pretty good behavior. That can certainly change."


Then why bother making a response when mine was aimed more squarly at indi. With posts he's making that quite frankly don't need to be made, and honestly are getting extremely tiring after several years. You loose some sort of arguement so instantly start hitting below the belt; yeah real freaking mature.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:02
Quote: "phoning up and posing as my father.
So quite frankly you can go **** yourself."


freak myself?
I never called blizzard, raven you are a paranoid delusional in a clear cut cookie cutter case without any real evidence to this comment.

If you want to make it personal. stand up for what you accuse me for with evidence.
Thats not my style.
you continue to disappoint me and the people here who think you're clever.
Im an oldbie like you, most probably older.

I could easily slap you for 120 days, however david R has taught me that slapping, even banning affects everyone no matter how deluded and irrational they are.

I will let the community judge you, a fair harsher crime then pointing the finger at you.
Having known you for nearly ten years and for you to say i called blizzard projecting im your father really takes the paranoid cake dear boy.

get more sunlight please.
omg thats below the belt.

Are you that sad mate?.

I can be a friend if you dont have any?
Im tough enough to put up with your BS but brave enough to tell you the truth when you crap on and act like you are now.

My msn for anyone is indi_frost@hotmail.com. drop me a line, I have time to listen, thats why im one of the most ancient mods here.

I fell sorry that someone in the world, no matter how delusional they think, i would jeopardize a fictitious job they never had.

puullease i may be rough around the edges, but i shoot straight as an arrow.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:05
i do use linux, im not saying its perfect but ive never had it crash once. the wireless network dosent work in linux and the graphics card drivers are being a pain, this is becose im new to linux, it took years to lern windows fairly well, so i dont expect to be able to have no problems. gnome is about 5* faster than windows on my pc!

the only problems i can see with linux are hardwere companys that refuse to support anything outher than windows!

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