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Blastwave man
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Posted: 2nd Jul 2007 04:38
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I've had a PSP since it's launch date...and it's been mostly a paper weight since I beat the launch titles I bought with it. Since then, every game that has come out for the PSP has been either crap, or didn't hold my interest for more then 10mins, lol. The EB game guys at the mall know me very well because I come in once a week to trade my current games in for other used games...and then I play for 10 mins, go WTF?, and put my PSP back on top of the stack of printer paper.

So, based off of others experiences, do you think I should trade my PSP in for a DS?


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Posted: 2nd Jul 2007 05:53
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Yep, that's a no-brainer.

I dunno why you went for the PSP in the first place? Were you actually intending to buy a hand-held game console? 'cos if you were, you made the wrong choice

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2007 07:40
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lol, I thought it would be worth it! I was expecting to see some great titles because it looked like a handheld PS1, so I was also expecting PS1 ports eventually, which would have been awesome....no go, lol.

DS just didn't seem like a good buy at the time...though now looking at the games and stuff you can do with it, I regret not buying one instead of a DS.

I was just wondering if there was any reason for keeping one, lol


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Posted: 2nd Jul 2007 08:43 Edited at: 2nd Jul 2007 08:45
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The problem is, when you look at a PSP, it basically is just a portable PS1.

When you look at a DS, there's literally nothing to compare it to. It's unique, and the games and apps that are out for it prove it.

Ever since I've been set up for Homebrew, it's also turned it into a little PDA-like device, but games are still the main purpose I use it for. Simply because that's what it's designed for, and what you can play is just outstanding!

Honestly, when I first saw the thing, I was dead-set on getting a PSP. That thing looked amazing! Look how powerful it is! It can play movies!
Then my mate got a DS (I hadn't even seen one before since Nintendo rarely advertises here in Australia for some weird reason). I looked at that compared to the PSP, and suddenly it all hit me. Why the hell do I want something to have such high resolution on such a small screen? Watching movies while I'm on the bus? Where's the time? Why do I need so much processing power when there's already beautifully fun games like Mario64 DS out for it...

I've never looked back
I suggest you do the same.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2007 05:31
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I agree with Jess. Once you get a DS (lite) you'll never look back! All the games I've played so far are amazing! Some titles to get started would be,

Mario Kart (A Must have!!)
Animal Crossing: Wild World
Advanced Wars: Dual Strike
Metroid Prime Hunters

It's a great device and if you love game play over graphics then it's even better!

@Jess
Have you played that Elite Beat Agents game? Is it any good?


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Posted: 3rd Jul 2007 07:07
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Never heard of it, Darth...
And, looking at their website, it's so confusing I don't particularly fancy getting the game

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2007 08:15 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2007 08:33
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DS suzorz games, are for babies.

PSP can use the memory stick from my phone.
PSP has JPG image viewer
PSP has MP3 player
PSP has MPEG movie player
PSP has wide-screen.
PSP can browse the internet without buying anything extra
PSP can use WPA-PSK wifi, last time I tried a DS it was WEP only (easily hacked).
PSP network games you can play people. DS you can't play people you don't know because of the kiddie security!
PSP has games with adult material, GTA for the DS? don't make me laugh!

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2007 08:28
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Gator, I can play people I don't know... not too hard

I can also view images, play mp3, ogg, movies, etc, etc, etc...
But, what's the point?
It's like I said, if you want to play games on it, then play games on it, don't view JPGs or watch movies!
And how many decent games are there on the PSP? Ones that are fun, give you a bit of excitement and something to do for 5 minutes on a bus ride?

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2007 08:38
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I dunno i got a DS and it don't do any of them. maybe you hacked yours somehow? Where do you store you movies coz last i looked it don't take a memory card.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2007 08:53
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I have a homebrew kit which cost me a little under US$50 (including a 1GB SD card & reader).

If you're interested, I posted a thread about it:
Other - DS - How to get started with homebrew

But, as I keep saying, even though I did that, I still use it mainly for games (alot of which are actually fun little homebrew ones now since I'm a poor Uni student ).

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2007 08:57
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Elite Beat Agents is *awesome*. Just awesome.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2007 09:33
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2 games worth saying are a winner for me.

sim city
theme park

my current collection is:

lostmagic
asphault 2
theme park
sim city
age of empires - the age of kings (turn based strategy)

i sold my psp with 9 games on ebay, sunday for only 105gbp, there's no money in 2nd hand psp's currently.

might try and buy more games soon

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2007 10:02 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2007 10:06
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I have both, but really my PSP could desintigrate into dust and I probably wouldn't notice.

The DS is just better for games, the games are much more original and fun. The PSP is simply trying too hard - LocoRoco was ace, but that's it. GTA on the PSP is hugely impressive and enjoyable. So that's 2, count the other GTA game and you have 3, add in the MXvsATV game and that's 4 - 4 games worth playing on the PSP.
I have no idea how many dozens of great games I've played on the DS. Currently Sega Darts is top of my list, it's just an amazing rendition and very challenging - it looks like it should royally suck, but I don't even like darts much yet I'm addicted. Sim City DS is pretty cool too although you only get to save 1 city at a time.

The best thing about the DS though is it's so versatile - I mean can someone explain to me why they only have 1 analogue on the PSP, and it's on the wrong side! - whereas the DS takes handheld FPS and makes it possible, Metroid on the DS is a testimony to how capable the DS is. BTW, on Metroid you can easily just join a 4 player death match, and before you know it there's Quake3 nostalgia all over the place. Jam Sessions is coming soon too - a guitar simulator that could even be played with a pick, I think that's gonna be huge.

Retro has a nice place on the DS too, DSSpeccy rocks, you get a little keyboard and the games play at full speed, it's well worth getting some old speccy classics on your DS.

I used to give the PSP the benefit of the doubt before buying one - now I see them for the chav accessories they really are . People seem to rely on that wide screen and the fact it can play MP3's to defend it - well it's by SONY!, and remind us how much it costs for a 1gb card for it. The 1gb SD card I got for the DS cost me £4.

EDIT: Just noticed Lost Magic being mentioned. How mad is that game! - you have to rub sticks with the shoulder buttons and blow on the DS to start a fire, Ray Mears style!. I never got very far, the second one is distracting me, might get that and see if it's any less of a nightmare to survive .


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Quote: "Sega Darts is top of my list"
Yeah, I played that to death. Brilliant game. Think I got something like 75% completed before I lost my eye. Just like the real thing! Heh, now I am struggling to get my triples where before I had no problem. Haven't even got a 180 in a while. Good stuff...

Yeah, the Speccy stuff is good too. Luckily I have some of the hard to find Ultimate (Rare these days) and Codemasters stuff on a disk I bought years ago (like 1996). And WOS has distribution denied for those games.

I'm just waiting now to see if they can speed up that ST emulator (about 60% at the minute). That would be cool.

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You can overclock the DS (there's a vid on youtube), was thinking about that just for the ST emulator - but really the emulator needs to improve first before I'd risk doing that - it's too clunky, and the mouse control needs to be fixed, it'd be so much better if you could click the touch screen, rather than trying to use that stupid virtual mouse pad.
I'm a bit dissapointed in the NES and SNES emulation though, never got that working nicely - I mean I got Beneath A Steel Sky working so damn nice yet a NES game humiliates it.


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Quote: "was thinking about that just for the ST emulator"
Well, hopefully it's just conky coding and they will speed things up soon. I remember old emulators coming out with the same problems on the PC, then a new version would come along that played perfectly on the same hardware.

What I would really like though is a speccy emulator that plays those upgraded 256 colour games. There isn't that many (maybe a couple of dozen), but would be good and hopefully will revive the interest.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2007 13:49 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2007 13:49
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I have to just say, Phoenix Wright is the most freaking incredible game ever.

It is so awesome.

I got given it, thought - this looks CRAP - and went to trade it in. They said I wouldn't get any more for it being still wrapped, so I thought I might as well play it for a minute before I traded it.

That was about a month ago, I am just getting to the end and I really couldn't recommend it more.

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Homebrew Guitar Hero DS is in development!

The best thing about the DS is the homebrew community, so many talented people really took it to their hearts, the tools are literally near commercial quality. The second generation (slot 1) cards like the R4 and M3 Simply (exactly the same) are the best homebrew kit ever made.

My DS is now my touchscreen video iPod, portable Megadrive, SNES, GBC, ScummVM, internet browser...

Plus there are awesome homebrew ports (some not complete) like QuakeDS, Hexen DS, Wolf3d DS - and even Smash Bros is in early development.

Come on man, if more people knew its true capability the PSP would be deader than it already is.

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And also, the white and black DS Lites are the most gorgeous looking consoles ever produced...

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2007 14:34
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Woo! Go the DS

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And, at the risk of losing all credibility, I look forward to Pokemon with network support

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2007 17:52 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2007 17:52
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homebrew!? I had no idea about that! I purposely didn't update my PSP security so I could run an NES emulator and some PSP compiles I did with the SDK...even then the SDK is horribly documented, there's no real community's for it, and it's limited...

I think I'm won over I'm going to trade it in this weekend, and start a new life in Nintendo...why did I not trust the ones I grew up with? WHY!?


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Haha, good to know you made the right choice, Blastwave

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Quote: "Elite Beat Agents is *awesome*. Just awesome."


Never a truer word spoken. After spending so long constantly borrowing my friend's DS to play the import, I'm going to have to get my own for the Europe release.

Also, try the Japanese games of the series, Ouendan & Ouendan 2.

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@Darth Vader:
Maybe you could post your mario-kart friend code?
My code(gotta these beautiful codes):


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lol GatorHex gets pwned by team Nintendo.

Let's hope Matt Rock doesn't show his face around these 'ere parts...

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I just had a look at all the different homebrew cards and omg, they are much cheaper and smaller than last time I checked! [ordering...]

Quote: "The best thing about the DS is the homebrew community"

I´ll give you a and a , if you give me some links.



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Quote: "Let's hope Matt Rock doesn't show his face around these 'ere parts..."


I think Matt will have learned by now, seeing as how the PS3 is constantly getting flamed and broiled in the media. Funny thing-- I just read that this round's football games will run at 60fps on the 360 and 30fps on the PS3. Bizarre.

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What about JSG? he has his own Playstation fan forum, sony gamers united or something My friend is a nintendo fan, shame he never got Zelda or Red Steel.

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I'm loving my DS (well, not literally).

I take mine to college most days and multiplayer Mario Kart always has people laughing/swearing in equal amounts. It's just fun.

That Under the Knife game is great as well and the mini-games on New Super Mario Bros are great for a quick pickup and play. Then there's Final Fantasy 3 for those longer gaming sessions.

And from what I've seen, the ladies definitely prefer sharing a DS to sharing a PSP......

Yeh it doesn't do movies and jpg's out of the box but I don't really need that. I'm not addicted to pr0n y'see.

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Quote: "I think Matt will have learned by now, seeing as how the PS3 is constantly getting flamed and broiled in the media."


Well we'll give him four more months...

I mean, he was very sure that by November 2007, the PS3 would have sold the most units.

I'm sure he still believes that

It's not like the 360 is still out selling it in North America, and the Wii is outselling it SEVEN TO ONE in Japan.

Yes, SEVEN TO ONE.

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Oh sorry about the homebrew, the best kit is an R4 Revolution or an M3 Simply (made in the same factory), and the best opening tutorial is probably at Dev Scene.

But seeing as their are quite a few TGC DSers, just ask here!

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I've heard there's gonna be a guitar hero for DS (not homebrew - official) It could be the game I'll buy DS for.

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PSP is OK, it isn't that great though. I think if they let people play ps1 games without needing to buy a ps3 and without needing to buy the PS1 game again then it might be a tad more popular. A few games are neat on it, the rest I've played are just pants.

You can practically turn your DS into a PDA if you get a cart, with the DS lite it would still cost less than the PSP. You can also read documents, play MP3s and other sound files, watch movies (if you really want to for some reason).

As for the DS being a "kiddy" console...

It has Resident Evil!!!! Does the PSP have resident evil? I think not! you can also get gta1 for the GBA if I remember right. Its only a matter of time before a DS version of GTA is out, hopefully with the classic topdown view.
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After reading all this, I'm pretty sure I'll never buy a PSP. Heck, not even if it gets Mega Man Powered Up 2 will I buy it. Screw Sony, they're too much bloated rich pigs to understand what efficient gameplay is. All the comparsion shots I saw on SomethingAwful between the 360 and PS3 versions of their sports games made me laugh my internal parts out. Sure, maybe they don't "harness the PS3's power well enough".

Nah, I'll stick with Nintendo for now. Might get a 360 sometime too, but never again will I buy any Sony console-crap. I've got my Wii, and I'm happy playing with it (lol, that sounded weird). I actually won my Wii on an online contest.

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Stick with Nintendo forever! They're already creaming the pants of Sony and Microsoft with the Wii, and I hear the Wii will be able to do wireless gameplay with the DS.

I got bored of Wii Sports and Wii Play pretty quick though, so recently I've been trying to beat Super Mario Bros and The Legend of Zelda on the Virtual Console while trying to figure out which Wii game to buy next.

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Quote: "DS suzorz games, are for babies.

PSP can use the memory stick from my phone.
PSP has JPG image viewer
PSP has MP3 player
PSP has MPEG movie player
PSP has wide-screen.
PSP can browse the internet without buying anything extra
PSP can use WPA-PSK wifi, last time I tried a DS it was WEP only (easily hacked).
PSP network games you can play people. DS you can't play people you don't know because of the kiddie security!
PSP has games with adult material, GTA for the DS? don't make me laugh!"


I must concur

Quote: "And how many decent games are there on the PSP?"


GTA: Liberty City Stories
Gun Showdown
Siphon Philter: Dark Mirror
Coded Arms
Ridge Racer

just to name a few...

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Quote: "Stick with Nintendo forever! They're already creaming the pants of Sony and Microsoft with the Wii, and I hear the Wii will be able to do wireless gameplay with the DS."


That's because they advertised their console to pre teens, women, and the retired. All groups that wouldn't realise they were forking out 200 smackers for what is last generation / game cube technology

The fact Nintendo beat the Atrai Lynx and Sega GameGear (both colour) with a the black and white display GameBoy just goes to show the power of advertising and how stupid most of the population are

For example this Myth that Wii has outsold XBox 360, it's just untrue they have a over a year of sales to catch up!
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Quote: "All groups that wouldn't realise they were forking out 200 smackers for what is last generation / game cube technology"

But do they really need current generation technology?

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Quote: "For example this Myth that Wii has outsold XBox 360, it's just untrue they have a over a year of sales to catch up!"


That may be so, but the Wii and PS3 were released a week apart.

Quote: "The fact Nintendo beat the Atrai Lynx and Sega GameGear (both colour) with a the black and white display GameBoy just goes to show the power of advertising and how stupid most of the population are"


Actually that proves the Atari Lynx had a lack of games and battery life. The Game Gear was the best competitor of the time, but alas the games were not as good as those found on the original Gameboy. Not to mention the fact that the Gameboy was released before the Game Gear.

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It's not worth it the DS can't o as many features and it seems to lack in something, but the PSP if you still have a low version USE HACKS on it! you can do so much!

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What a well-researched and educated post.

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I love how people still have those PS3 counters as sigs.

They're just getting embarassing now...

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Quote: "That's because they advertised their console to pre teens, women, and the retired."


See that's how Nintendo make money, you don't try selling the Wii to Sony fans, you sell it to people who can appreciate the control system, appreciate the diverse games. Casual gamers who would not buy a console before are buying Wii's and DS's - that's called successful marketing. I'm not sure if your aware of this, but next gen is targeted at hardcore gamers, that's why we have the 360 and PS3 - should there not be an option for gamers who would rather have more tangible games to play than the graphic central crap they have on the PS3.


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zzz,
I already posted a link, but here it is again since you're not willing to look...
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Darth Vader
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Posted: 4th Jul 2007 14:47
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Quote: ", I can play people I don't know... not too hard "

How?

@zzz
I'd give you my friend code but we might be in different parts of the world so I don't know if we'd be up at the same time! Wait a min while I get it!

I like to say, "The DS is the best" and then stand behind Jess T and Van B and Chris K as the defend my statement!


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Jess T
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Posted: 4th Jul 2007 14:55 Edited at: 5th Jul 2007 11:22
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Darth, the only online game I have is Mario Kart, but to play people I don't know, when I connect to WFC, I simply select 'Worldwide' or 'Region' instead of 'Friends', then hit 'Ok', and I play people from Asia quite often (asian characters as their names ).

If anyone's interested, my friend code is: 472538 002744 (My name is Teddy)
but I'm rarely online

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I have tried emulators and indie games, movies, music, everything, I've tried it all on my PSP...and it's nothing I don't do on my computer already. I don't go out much, so what's the point of having it. Theres barely any good games out for it too, so it's not worth it.

I'm a hardcore gamer at heart, but when it comes down to it, Wii is more my style then the other two simply because it's 'fun'. Games can have the most accurate physics and stunning visuals ever conceived, but they tend to lack story, depth and a fun factor, so again, waist of money.

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zzz
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Posted: 4th Jul 2007 18:22
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@Jess
Quote: "but here it is again since you're not willing to look..."

"Not willing"?, I´ve already read your thread, and it was a great help. I just asked Chris for some links to the communities he wrote about, and he posted a link.
Great thanks to both of you!
I´ve added your friend code, Jess.

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Drunken Fiesta
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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 00:08 Edited at: 13th Jul 2007 00:09
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My thoughts on the PSP vs. DS is just get both of them. They're cheaper than consoles and both have great games in their libraries.
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Krilik
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I own both also, actually two DSes, one lite one original. And I have to say I haven't touched my DS is the longest time. There haven't been any real interesting games released for it in the longest time. Just recently they've been coming out with games I want to play, but for the past few months my PSP collection outgrew my DS collection and I've had the DS for at least a year longer than my PSP.

I also like being able to download demos for the PSP. It gives me something to do when there are no games out that I want to play. Unlike the DS, it sits for months until I buy a game I want for it.
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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 07:27
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I'm only now considering buying a PSP when they release the "lite" versions laster this year. I've got 3 PSP games I've worked on, sitting on my shelf, with no actual PSP to play them on There are a few cool PSP games I'd like to try, like Smash and Mercury.

Glad I wasn't a PSP early adopter, though. $299 was *way* too much to pay for what is little more than a PS1/PS2 lite.

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Chris K
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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 11:48
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Ha Jeku they just release the PSP Lite it is *exactly* the same. Seriously I thought they were joking or something, I think they moved one of the buttons, and it is slightly lighter.

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