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Zotoaster
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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 23:35
I've been holding this off for ages, and as it turns out I am going to Corfu in a wekk on Monday.. and I have to learn Greek by then, unless I want to put up with the embarrassement of not being able to talk to all my relatives. Everytime I try to learn I simply can't keep at it. I asically suck at languages! (Apart from programming languages of course )

Anyone know any good methods to learn a language? I can't really hold this off much longer, heh.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 23:47
hire a translator while youre there.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 23:56
That costs money

Efharistó anyway

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 00:00
Ooooooh ummm, left it a bit late, tut tut. This is a bit late, yes, but I love learning languages and you're going to need to study, but don't over do it.

I can only stuff I try - one is association, this is difficult sometimes, but if you find a word you can associate, it's useful, its a technique good for naming names (got me through my AS levels that did) A simple example would be 'ist' in German - 'ist' = 'is', Swedish 'Hej' (Pronounced like'Hey') = 'hello'. But even words that don't relate, you can buy a meaning into it. Like 'Sohei' (dunno if that is the English spelling) is Chinese Mandarin for 'Stupid' - you could make that into a memorable sentence that creates a relation. "He's so high (sohei) he's stupid."

You'll need to learn the grammar and syntax - look at the rules more than anything - learn them and then grab a dictionary and try to write them out with the grammar rules and use that to memorise them. So we have in the present tense 'Subject verb object' as an example, "Jack has a dog" - In Japanese it is 'subject particible object verb' - "I fish am" - or "Watashi wa sakana desu" - just to give you an idea. Keep writing these with words you wish to learn, change the tense, change the objects and subject, chuck in a plural - just keep playing with the language until you get the hang of the grammar.

Once you've done that, you just need to learn the words (in some case, and letters or symbols) and pronunciation, there are many ways to learn these - I gave one at the top, another good one is to label each object in your room with a word and when you use that object or look at it, say it in greek, when you see something or even think of something, try 'what would that been in greek?' carry a dictionary with you if it helps - so if you don't know or forget, you can look it up.

And of course, take it easy, don't panic and don't cram in knowledge, you'll overflow and forget things.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 00:11
Well, I actually am quite familiar with the syntax (I did live there for 9 years after all), and that hasn't really gone away. Also, Greek words have masculine and feminines, which I still know which goes where. It's mostly the words, there are so many! It turns out I know quite a few of them.. I remember alot of them when I hear Greek, but it's remembering them on the spot that's the hardest part. I bought a book which was supposed to teach me Greek, and I knew everything apart from some of the words, as they kept it quite simple for beginners.

I came up with an idea. Maybe speaking regular English, but mix in Greek lexi (words) so I remember them! But that takes a while nomizo (I think)

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 01:16
Or do what most people do, speak in English, but louder and more slowly, perhaps they'll know what you're saying

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 01:20
Most will (mostly because it's filled with idiot tourists ), but not my family. My gran has never been out of Greece in her whole life, and she's like, 80. She speaks no English at all.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 02:47
Quote: "Efharistó anyway "


youre welcome

I'm not Greek, but I did stay at a [insert corporate hotel chain name here] last night

(I have a bunch of greek and cypriot friends)

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 04:20
Have you considered buying a CD to teach you Greek? I got one for french and it took roughly 2 weeks to gain a understanding of the language. Might be worth a try.
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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 04:32
Well the book I bought came with a CD, but that was just for the pronounciations.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 06:27
If you know anyone else who can speak or at least understand Greek, spend some time with them and only communicate in Greek. Sink or swim methods can work out well.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 12:38
It's all Greek to me.




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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 12:44 Edited at: 20th Jul 2007 15:39
If you wana learn fast,Rosetta Stone is supposed to be very good, but not cheap! They have an "unconditional 6-month money back guarantee" though.

http://www.rosettastone.co.uk/en/individuals/languages/greek

It's bit wierd how it works you sort of learn by trial and error by clicking on pictures until you remember it

Try the demo to understand what i mean. la fille et la femme marchent (the girl and woman walking) my third time through the French demo and I can ace it already and I've never done French at school and concider myself bad at languages

It also has speech recognition so you can get your accent right and letter writting skills so you can write a letter to grandma.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 15:27
Kalimera.

I found out, much to my surprise, that despite me being polite and making an effort to utter some Greek words when I visited Crete last week that I mostly came across indifferent to unpleasant Greek people.

I really don't like to stereotypically diss people(I did interact with 2 or 3 cool Greeks)... I'm sure there's a lot of nice folk in Greece but you would never guess from my experience.

In most countries, Portugal _certainly_ included, if someone makes even a feeble attempt and speaking the lingo, local people acknowledge that... but despite being on a sober, quiet family holiday (i.e. they had no reason to hate me for being a yob) I felt no such empathy. Lovely water, food and ruins though.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 16:07
That's not good, I suppose they didn't like the tourist industry, it may have been the part of Greece you went to, I mean if a tourist came to where I live in England, they'd think the English aren't that friendly.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 18:51
My dad told me something last year about Cretians (people from Crete?) not liking tourists for some reason or other.. Can't remember though..

Anyway, I've just decided to read through a list of simple words I found on the net everyday, and just do the best I can. I've asked my mum to talk Greek to me, and when I dont understand something, I simply ask

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 21:00
Get a palm pilot and load up babble fish on it. Be ready to type as fast as your fingers can go.


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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 21:06
I will refer you to my second post

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 22:04
http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/greek/index_top_level.shtml

Has some downloads that you can listen to for common phrases, etc.
And has a beginners section.

Don't know how useful it will be, but have a look anyway

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 22:35
Thanks Jess I'll check it out

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 23:20
Dyslexia makes me laugh sometimes I just read the title as
"I have to learn Geek! Quick!" and thought "you've come to the right place"

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Quote: "My dad told me something last year about Cretians (people from Crete?) not liking tourists for some reason or other.. Can't remember though.."


Well, that sounds about right from my experience. But for a region that depends heavily on tourism, that sounds like a sure shot in the foot.

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Posted: 21st Jul 2007 01:27
That might be it. I f*cking hate tourists

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Posted: 21st Jul 2007 15:30
I am just kidding btw

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Posted: 21st Jul 2007 15:38
Quote: "a wekk on Monday.. and I have to learn Greek by then"
Well, if wekk means "week" then plenty of time. Chuck in German at the same time with that sort of time allowance.

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Posted: 21st Jul 2007 15:48
I spent 2 years learning German and I sucked, lol.

And no, I still mean wekk

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Posted: 21st Jul 2007 15:58
Heck throw in every foreign word you know.

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Quote: "I spent 2 years learning German and I sucked, lol.

And no, I still mean wekk"


Then you should learn afrikaans a mix of german and dutch and English...

Very simple to understand.


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"Ek hoop jy kom reg met jou Grieks"
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"I hope you sort out your Greek"

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Posted: 21st Jul 2007 16:53 Edited at: 21st Jul 2007 16:54
Meh, try Welsh. It's a mixture of being stubborn about changing English words (bws instead of bus for example) and talking like a thicky. Because of the amazingly low word count compared to English you always end up sounding a bit like "House small mine. House big English. House big burn me. Yes." Heh, is like a caveman mated with Yoda. Amusingly they have about 25 ways of saying the word no though (a little less for "yes" I believe...).

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Quote: "about 25 ways of saying the word no though"


Incidentally, Yes in greek is Ne and No is Ohi. How mad is that?? I thought the word "No" having an "N" was a tacit worldwide agreement LOL (think of não, no, nein, niet, non etc)

Beware of Greeks bearing grudges.

PS - Just remembered that No in Japanese is iie, so there goes my theory. But at least, yes in Japanese does _not_ have an "N"!

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Posted: 21st Jul 2007 19:24
Quote: ""I have to learn Geek! Quick!" and thought "you've come to the right place""


I made the same mistake several times before I read it properly.

I sometimes think the English are doomed to failure language-wise. A few years ago I was in a pub in Hamburg with a German friend. After watching me apparently failing to order a pint of beer, my friend informed me that the barmaid was speaking to me in English. She was indeed - and quite well. I felt very foolish (and very English).
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Quote: "I sometimes think the English are doomed to failure language-wise. A few years ago I was in a pub in Hamburg with a German friend. After watching me apparently failing to order a pint of beer, my friend informed me that the barmaid was speaking to me in English. She was indeed - and quite well. I felt very foolish (and very English)."


lol, I need to brush up on my German too for when I go to Hamburg, if I were to order a beer, I'd too be screwed as I don't remember what 'beer' is in German, I think the best thing to do when you're stuck is not to look like a lost little helpless tourist, rather to make fun of yourself, like: "Mein deustche tut veh!"

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Just speak Turkish, it's Greece's language of the future!
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Quote: "Just speak Turkish, it's Greece's language of the future! "


It's people like you what cause unrest.

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@Vibe Runner

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Anyway, I've been working on a handy little notebook of stuff that I can carry around. I just put everything I learn into that, plus the alphabet, numbers, simple words, etc. I have 12 pages of stuff so far.. Now, I have to learn and remember, and understand it, lol.

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Madness?

THIS IS SPARTA!!!!

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