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RUCCUS
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Im looking for another supplier for veneer sheets for my skateboard company, and the current one Im talking with has given me measurements for the thickness of the veneer in "ml". He says they come in thicknesses of 10ml, 20ml, and 30ml. I cant find any information as to what unit of measure this is (its obviously not milliliters).

I know there are Mils, which are pretty thin. But hes saying that 10ml is around 1/32 inches thick, and 20ml is close to 1/16 inches thick. Whereas if I do the math, 30Mil is only half of 16 inches thick. So either his math is wrong, or the unit hes talking about isnt Mils, and is something else.

Anyone know?


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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 06:14 Edited at: 20th Jul 2007 06:17
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Millimeters possibly?

10mm is 0.03937 Inches, 1/32 = .03125
20mm is 0.787401 Inches, 1/16 = .0625
30mm is 1.18110 Inches

Not exact, but close.

I would agree with what you said about it's obviously not millileters. You know, as liters are a measurement of volume and all. Maybe the guy just got meters and liters mixed?

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Maybe thats it. There might be another naming convention where hes located, where ml is for millimeters. Ill assume that for now. If anyone knows any other info about it Id really appreciate it.

Thanks Preston.


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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 06:18 Edited at: 20th Jul 2007 06:22
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any chance that ml in this case is a special industry mesurement like 10 micro-layers or something?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=veneer+units+of+measurement

from the pages I have read they seem to refer to multi-layer alot, perhaps that is what ml stands for. I didnt read through all the links obviously but the answer should be there.

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Thats possible... but veneers aren't made up of layers, veneers *are* the layers that make up everything else.

I've emailed him asking if he's referring to millimeters, it does sound right since he said they were close but not exact to the inch measurements I was looking for.


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I've just done an extensive search on this ml unit of length and have come up with absolutely nothing. Think about this logically, who would have equipment to measure Mils unless they're a scientist, and even at that point, I don't think many of them stray away from the international system. Also, skateboarding has nothing to do with electronics, which seems to be the primary role of the Mil measurement, from what Google told me. Honestly the thought of somebody trying to somebody trying to measure thing associated with skateboard using advanced equipment just seems funny to me.
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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 06:23 Edited at: 20th Jul 2007 06:23
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<edited post above sorry>..

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Why not just ask them? better than looking like a moron and ordering the wrong size thing just because you were too scared to say 3 words(wud iz ml)

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I would say it's probably a typo, and should be millimetres (1/1000th of a metre, but you should know that already, being a Canadian ). Millimetre is referred to as mm though.

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these people look like they do wholesale.
http://www.veneersupplies.com/

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did he write ml or did he say "mil"? Cause when people say millimeters they usually shorten it to "mil" so ten millimeters turns into "ten mil".

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nevermind
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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 17:12 Edited at: 20th Jul 2007 17:16
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He wrote ml, along with every other thin veneer wholesaler I've spoken to. It seems to be the common unit of measure for veneers, aside from fractions of an inch, which didnt come up often. I already said I did email him asking though, so Ill soon find out.

Indi thanks for the link, Ive been talking to dozens of companies getting quotes, that one looks good, Ill give them a call as well.

<edit>

They seem to specialize in decorative veneer, from what I can see they dont carry plain hard maple veneer, but Ill phone them and ask to be sure.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_(unit_of_length)

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Thanks the winch, that sounds right. I was hoping it wouldnt be mills, because that means his calculations were wrong. He said 1/16" is close to 20ml... thats only .02 inches. Nowhere close to .0625 inches.

Maybe theres still a chance he meant millimeters.


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Can't be millimeters if 10ml is about 1/32" as he says. 10 mm is 1cm, which would be nearly 1/2" thick. I think he means mil, and just doesn't know what 1/32 or 1/16" looks like.

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He just emailed back confirming its millimeters. Apparently, when they say 10ml, 20ml, 30ml, they mean 0.10 mm, 0.20mm, and 0.30mm. Not sure why they use ml, ohwell.

Looking pretty bad though, the prices are way higher than I had expected. Back to the drawing board.


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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 21:19 Edited at: 20th Jul 2007 21:57
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Quote: "they mean 0.10 mm, 0.20mm, and 0.30mm"


That's literally paper thin. Probably why the prices are so high.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 21:48
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ML,is Milli Litre over here 1/1000th of a litre.


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Yeah but you dont measure thickness in volume

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They should have just said it's 100µm (micrometers) instead of .1mm, would have made more sense.

Maybe if they don't even know how to properly categorize their products, you shouldn't be dealing with them in the first place, eh?

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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 23:57 Edited at: 20th Jul 2007 23:57
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I already said, from the.... 300 or so veneer companies Ive looked at, most of them deal with sizes in ml. The only ones I came across that dealt with quarters of an inch were the companies that solely made veneers for skateboard creation. So its not just some weird calculation that they dont know how to use.

Hopefully these other 2 companies I've been talking to will pull through. They at least deal with skateboard-cut veneers, so we'll see.


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