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Junkrock
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Such as the one about Zeitgeist? I think it was a good honest debate over the topic, to lock it means that someone with power disagrees with some of the points made which is a real shame.

Is it time to start acting like adults or are we just going to continue silencing anything that discusses adult issues. Religion for example, everybody has their own point of view but lets say a Christian mod looks over a post and someone says that jesus is a myth then they will lock it in disagreement rather than discuss why that person is wrong....let the adults talk about adult things.

Oh BTW i'm aware that for raising the point this too will probably be locked.

Such a shame.

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Well according to the AUP certain topics are not allowed to be discussed and they will be locked.

Regarding the Zeitgeist thread, I dont agree that those issue are political but another mod did, and locked the thread - I fully support and defend his decision to do so.

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Gil Galvanti
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Maybe there should be another board for Political/Religious discussions? I get annoyed when I go to a locked thread and am unable to respond to comments, such as the 9/11 conspiracies. I won't say anything about them here though, other than I think they are ridiculous. It will only incite another debate. I think we need another board for debates where the slightest hint of politics or religion isn't locked instantly.


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I think there are plenty of other forums where you can discuss these topics freely.

I say leave it off of these boards.

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Ron Erickson
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Quote: "Is it time to start acting like adults or are we just going to continue silencing anything that discusses adult issues. Religion for example, everybody has their own point of view but lets say a Christian mod looks over a post and someone says that jesus is a myth then they will lock it in disagreement rather than discuss why that person is wrong....let the adults talk about adult things."


The problem is that it isn't just adults that browse these forums. There are a lot of kids that do too. As a business, I do not blame TGC for having rules against certain topics that are only going to cause problems between users. This needs to be a family friendly site. If you want to talk about things like that, there are more than enough places to do it. Here doesn't need to be one of them.

Quote: "Regarding the Zeitgeist thread, I dont agree that those issue are political but another mod did, and locked the thread - I fully support and defend his decision to do so."

lol
That wasn't political?
Discussing 9/11 is ALWAYS political.

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Yep, too many people take those debates seriously, and I mean real seriously. In the end, the debaters end up personally assaulting each other's views. We don't need that here, especially when things are hunky dory 98% of the time.


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unfortunately the threads, even at best, usually dissolve into a shouting match.

there are plenty of forums where you can discuss these issues to your hearts content, but this just isn't one.

maybe try the channel4.com culture forum.

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Quote: "The problem is that it isn't just adults that browse these forums. "


Nailed the head on that one, and why I did partake in it..I can't say I didn't feel bad about continiuing it. The movie zeitgeist tells people a lot of what they have already known and there are some opposing views to it and thats okay because not everyone will agree on everything, that is why debates take place. The problem is, there are young children that do not need to see nor try to undderstand these adult issues, this is a fun place and should remain so. If anyone wishes to continue that conversation through zeitgeist..I am more than happy to oblige through e-mail, but we should keep it clean here.

Just post in a funny thread...it takes an edge off coming here sometimes to see the funny threads.

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Quote: "lol
That wasn't political?
Discussing 9/11 is ALWAYS political. "

I guess it depends on your definition of "political". To me, murder and treason, and ensuing genocides are not political issues, but thats just me. I dont speak for others.

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Why not just make a new religion board, make everyone happy


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Quote: "I guess it depends on your definition of "political". To me, murder and treason, and ensuing genocides are not political issues, but thats just me. I dont speak for others."


Nice.
CR, you are a mod. Act like it.

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I'll tell you why. They become flamebait super quick. Thats why.

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Okay people in that thread Zeitgeist should of been locked because
1.People who are different religions might get offended
I don't get it with people when a thread gets locked people whine why don't you just get over with it.

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Quote: "CR, you are a mod. Act like it."


He is. What did he do? I read his comment twice over but with no avail did i see anything 'wrong' or "un-moddly" with it.

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Quote: "CR, you are a mod. Act like it."

Does "act like it" mean "dont express your opinion"?
I already stated that I didnt think the topics were "political", so explain to me how I wasnt acting like a mod. Or do you mean by your personal standard? Or someone elses moral high-ground? Another mod locked the thread and I said I support his decision, I may not agree, but I stand by his decision - no complaints.

lets not get started again.

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Posted: 23rd Aug 2007 20:59 Edited at: 23rd Aug 2007 21:02
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Quote: "He is. What did he do? I read his comment twice over but with no avail did i see anything 'wrong' or "un-moddly" with it."


He is pushing his "opinion" again on a subject that isn't allowed to be discussed here. If someone were to take the bait, it would result in that person likely being newbie-slapped and the this thread being locked. Frankly, I could care less if this thread is locked, or any other, but a mod should be helping keep this forum clean. He should not be baiting others into banned discussion.

CR, I like you. I have nothing against you. I could care less what your opinions are on anything other than programming. I'd buy you a beer if I lived close enough to meet with you. However, I do think you push things more than you should, especially as a mod. This just isn't the place.

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Quote: "lets not get started again."

Agreed. I'll stop now. Please do the same.

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@ Wolf

So you're saying that comment carried a 'hidden' message? fair enough, that's for each of it's own to interpret. You may have reacted to the word "treason" and i understand.

Let's just relax and smoke some codez.

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Quote: "Let's just relax and smoke some codez."


lol

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Quote: "CR, I like you. I have nothing against you. I could care less what your opinions are on anything other than programming. I'd buy you a beer if I lived close enough to meet with you. However, I do think you push things more than you should, especially as a mod. This just isn't the place."

Fair enough, I just didnt understand your previous comment until you explained. Thanks for being honest. I dont agree with part of what you said, but I do appreciate your honesty. I'll not comment further on this then, as you asked. But just please realise that you are asking me (in general) to not comment or express opionions that I feel are not breaking the aup, simply because I happen to be a moderator.

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pass the codez

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Quote: "pass the codez"


Grandma smoked it all. Please wait while I compile another.

Is talk of using illegal codez against the AUP?

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Quote: "Is talk of using illegal codez against the AUP?"


Well they're not that optimized really, dunno why they banned 'em.

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Hey, guys, i know this guy.. yeah.. he has that new good stuff.. i think its called C++ .

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dude, I could get you some hard core hash algorithms, this SHA-64 stuff will mess you up bad.
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Quote: "Is talk of using illegal codez against the AUP?"


It got reclassified in the UK. Sorry, that was political.

Back to the original question...
Quote: "Why are religious and political topics locked?"

Because, as you have just illustrated, people don't read the AUP! And if you don't read the AUP, you will doubtless break every rule in the AUP by contributing to such a thread.

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we should smoke the AUP, now that would be some trippy sh...
...stuff.

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Nah things are better with age..i'll take the constitution any day.

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Quote: "I guess it depends on your definition of "political". To me, murder and treason, and ensuing genocides are not political issues, but thats just me. I dont speak for others."

I'm sure there was no subliminal message intended in that statement . To me, paranoid conspiracy theorists/supportists that believe the "evil" US government is attempting to brainwash us "weakminded" and "stupid" Americans by committing terrible acts of genocide and covering it up in order to gain support for liberating another country IS a political issue . After all, the corrupt government already murdered both Robert and John F. Kennedy, lied about landing on the moon, covered up Alien visits, assassinated Lincoln, and planned the Oklahoma City Bombing, why not kill a few more thousands by crashing planes into buildings? Of course, every other terrorist attack in other countries were genuine, because it's only the American's and our satanic and power hungry government that would do that type of stuff (That was sarcasm, in case you didn't catch it ).

EDIT: And the reason I would rather discuss politics in a separate board of this forum is because a) people are generally more mature here than others I have been to and b) I "know" (if you could call it that) a lot of the people here, so it's not like having a pointless debate with complete strangers.


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Im enjoying watching the edits
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let me know when youre done

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Quote: "Because, as you have just illustrated, people don't read the AUP!"


I don't think many people ever read the AUP. Like any sort of law, the only people that do read it are the ones that won't break it anyways.


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weak doc...I mean come on man authoritative figures are so ...square haha.

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let me know when youre done"

Heh, done, kept thinking of things to add .


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Haha. If only we could get zeinizein14(a book?) or whoever to say that.



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Pffft, why not just rgbr? Now THAT, my friend, is nice.
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Because I am always right, and anyone who doesn't agree is wrong

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I read trough your second latest post and i didn't find any messages, subliminal or not. Not even an opinion actually. I see dead people though, but it might have something to do with this huge joint of pure DBP extracts!

It's the sh!t.

It even has some media in it.

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Quote: "Because, as you have just illustrated, people don't read the AUP! And if you don't read the AUP, you will doubtless break every rule in the AUP by contributing to such a thread."


Indeed, as indi demonstrated with CR's 'political' location. The reason is because although there's a number of people that can discuss it maturely...there are those who are immature, get worked up easily and such like and end up offending people directly...like the person that said 'I am offended by Muslims' once - and others can be completely closed minded and preach their opinions ruling the whole point of 'debate' out of the book and it can end up messy - so it is against the rules to make a thread like that.

In my early days I posted a thread about an outrageous religious point of view, I was willing to hear everybody's input - though pretty sure my point of view was correct and convincing, then went muck and turned into flamebait - although I was calm myself - I did learn from people's opinions as generally that's why you have a debate - but Rich felt it best be locked in the end after being flamebait. Because not everyone was willing to accept such opinions and have demonstrated elsewhere that a forum on this scale isn't one fit to have 'sensitive' subjects up for debate.

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Quote: "To me, murder and treason, and ensuing genocides are not political issues, but thats just me. "

Seems obvious to me that that refers to the conspiracy that 9/11 was staged by the US government to gain support for the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq . Murder and treason being the US government apparently attacking it's own people and the genocides I'm guessing is the US whipping up on the terrorists with some unfortunate collateral damage. That's how I interpreted it at least.


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Genocide tends to be government based anyway...

Though I may agree with some of CR's political points, I sometimes think 'ouch' because a- I think "that's only partly true" or b - that's too political and someone will tell you off for it.

I'm careful of making political comments now, because you can set someone off on a rampage, but I feel when I talk satire, that everybody is game, like the mass media, politicians, celebrities - whether or not I like or agree with them...So although CR should definitely have his opinion - just limit how much he makes those on this forum aware of its 'sensitive' topics.

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I agree that there should be a forum specifically for those purposes...

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I know, but didn't you take the joke? This time i was referring to YOUR post. Sorry if it didn't come across to well.

Edit: hmmmm peculiar avatar you got there jordan, might wanna switch that one.

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cool guy, you should probably not harass indi, as you're now breaking the aup

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Quote: "I know, but didn't you take the joke? This time i was referring to YOUR post. Sorry if it didn't come across to well."

Oh, lol, I get it now, heh, sorry, kind of slow there . Hey, if he can have subliminal (or non-subliminal) messages, why not me ?


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indi really was a great guy and should stop being such a jerk. When he does I will take this off.

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I am against all religion, it brainwashes people and evil people attach themselves to religions to take control of its followers.
Religion is nothing more than a political tool, why don't people realise this?
I have no problem with the concept of a god or multiple gods, and the various religious texts are mainly good guidelines to live by, but I am steadfastly against anyone who seeks to manipulate or harm others based on their beliefs, I see this as a sign of mental weakness.
It is a shame that we can't discuss religion in a civilised manor, but that is the way of the world today.
I agree that religion has no place in the DB forums, but what if someone is making a game that refers to religion such as Fahrenheit?

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Quote: "I am against all religion, it brainwashes people and evil people attach themselves to religions to take control of its followers.
Religion is nothing more than a political tool, why don't people realise this?
I have no problem with the concept of a god or multiple gods, and the various religious texts are mainly good guidelines to live by, but I am steadfastly against anyone who seeks to manipulate or harm others based on their beliefs, I see this as a sign of mental weakness.
It is a shame that we can't discuss religion in a civilised manor, but that is the way of the world today.
I agree that religion has no place in the DB forums, but what if someone is making a game that refers to religion such as Fahrenheit?"


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What was so bad about that?
I said I'm against ALL religion so what's the problem there?
and surely mentioning the "after life" is just as bad?
Oh I'm just not gonna mention the R word again
CR is right this just isn't the place for it.
and anyway what WOULD happen if someone was making a game with religious elements in it? would the thread be locked?

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