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budokaiman
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Posted: 25th Sep 2014 03:00
pagitize


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Posted: 25th Sep 2014 03:15
Quote: "As far as I can see, Type-C is better in every way to Lightning."


Well, Type C isn't out yet so that hardly counts. You may as well compare Lightning to whatever standard we will have in 5 years time.

Quote: "Whaaat. So you never stick 100's of videos on your phone?"


Videos of what?

Quote: "And what happens when there's no phone signal?"


I'm in a city, I always have signal - and I'd be lying if i said I stream it all. Spotify lets you sync playlists too.

Quote: "And what if you want to listen to music without spending money on credit?"

Unlimited data plans are cheap, on 3 and GiffGaff you can get unlimited data for £12.90 per month.

Quote: "That'd be cool, but unfortunately it'll never happen. "

I know, sucks though because I play on different platforms with different people. D:
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Posted: 25th Sep 2014 03:16
Yeah that 2012 with iPhone 6 had me lol especially the small print

Quote: "Don't record your voice into the same audio track as the game sound. Grab Audacity, set it to record from your microphone and set whatever video recording software you're using to not record your voice, only from WASAPI."


would you believe it, I left Normalise sound on, on the export for all channels...

I hate working while ill, makes me feel like a bad designer... dang Porsche must have severely ill designers... that or heavily drunk designers ...

I am not new to video recording or sound engineering, but when ill, it would appear so but thank you regardless, you truly are a forumite! [ In other words, useful around here in a good way #Compliment ] Constructive feedback is becoming rare around here sadly...

But yeah will remember to heighten the Voiceover for future edits!

Note taken

Thanks Clonkex!

Wish I was not so busy working but busy working is better than being on the dole...

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Posted: 25th Sep 2014 04:45 Edited at: 25th Sep 2014 04:48
Quote: "Well, Type C isn't out yet so that hardly counts."


Well maybe, but the specification is confirmed, so I just kinda went with that...

Quote: "You may as well compare Lightning to whatever standard we will have in 5 years time."


I'm not comparing it to some future standard; Type-C is a current standard. It's just that no manufacturers have made anything with it yet

Quote: "Videos of what?"


Music videos, ASDFMovies, game review videos, but most of all the videos I capture with the phone's camera. I take heaps of videos, and the only reason I still have space is because I've got a 32GB (or is it 64GB?) micro SD card in my S3.

Quote: "I'm in a city, I always have signal"


Oooh, right. Even so, surely no city has continuous reliable coverage...?

Quote: "Unlimited data plans are cheap"


!! Since when?!

Quote: "on 3 and GiffGaff you can get unlimited data for £12.90 per month."


I've never even heard of those providers before (ah that explains it - you're in the UK, right?). And WOW that's cheap! I'm with Optus at the moment, on a pre-paid sim. For a couple of months they ran a somewhat confusing plan called 2-Dollar Days where you could recharge from $5 to $60, and then for each day you used data or called someone, $2 would be used of that credit and you'd have unlimited data, text and calls to landlines and mobiles in Aus for the rest of the day. If you recharged $5 initially you'd have to recharge $5 again to roll over the remaining $1 and not waste it. That's what I'm on, but the plan was discontinued pretty quickly because Optus was losing too much money. Luckily I activated my sim a couple of days before they discontinued it. It's effectively $60/month for unlimited everything, which is incredibly cheap. Even so I still can't afford to activate the data every day (I don't have $60 a month).

Now, the best you can get is $60/month for ~500MB/day data and unlimited text/calls.

Bear in mind, of course, that this is all Optus, and their coverage is spotty at best. Telstra is the only phone company to have proper coverage of Australia, but their prices are horrendous. Telstra doesn't even have pre-paid unlimited data, max is 1.6GB.... per $50 recharge!

Quote: "dang Porsche must have severely ill designers..."


What. What are you saying? You don't like Porsches?

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Posted: 25th Sep 2014 07:20
To write with a broken pencil is... Pointless.

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Posted: 27th Sep 2014 17:08 Edited at: 28th Sep 2014 02:25
TBH I didn't actually buy my K70. My brother bought one from a big eBay seller, who failed to mark it as posted for several days. Unbeknownst to us, it had actually been posted, but since our mail takes 3-4 days even from Sydney or Melbourne to where we live, when it wasn't marked as posted after 3 days, we contacted them. They didn't respond for a day or two, and meanwhile the keyboard arrived. We proceeded to forget about the issue since it didn't matter any more, but the seller eventually replied with a rather cryptic message saying something about the keyboard having been posted now. The listing was marked as posted on eBay, so we ignored it.... until another keyboard turned up in the mail.

We were surprised, to say the least. These keyboards were worth $170. Mum wanted to contact the seller and inform them, but we convinced her that they were a huge seller anyway, and the loss would be extremely minimal (I'll admit this is morally borderline ). Additionally, they would probably either tell us to keep it or make us pay postage to return it. Then my brother, who bought the original, wanted to sell it and effectively get his $170 back, but Mum - thankfully - flat-out refused. So I got to keep it. I didn't have $170 to spend on a keyboard, but I really liked Lachie's K70 and wanted one, so this was a wonderful bonus. Sure, it had the blue backlight (I choose red whenever possible and Lachy chooses blue), but it didn't matter hugely because a) it was free and b) the red backlight didn't have the brown switches.

As soon as I have the money, however, I'll be replacing my current K70 with the K70 RGB so I can have my red backlight.... or whatever other colour I want! Also, a large number of the LEDs have failed on my keyboard (which happens due to ESD apparently), and on the RGB keyboards the LEDs are encased in transparent plastic instead of being mounted directly on the PCB to prevent ESD frying them (good thinking, Corsair! ). I currently have 38 dead LEDs and my brother has something like 17 dead LEDs, so we're both looking forward to having basically indestructible LEDs in the RGB version (which, incidentally, Lachy has already pre-ordered today, since the brown switches are finally available in Australia from PC Case Gear).

[I also posted this in a different thread so you may have already read it]

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Posted: 27th Sep 2014 19:21 Edited at: 27th Sep 2014 19:23
Quote: "Unlimited data plans are cheap"


Not in this corner of the world they're not. In any case, with Apple touting their new phones with high resolution cameras, it seems a bit silly that they don't provide an industry-standard expansion option. Well it's not silly really, it's business. If they don't provide standard ways to do stuff it means they can sell you more proprietary stuff. Since they make a lot of profit (the majority?) from hardware, it makes sense in that perspective.

Considering how they expect you to upgrade to the newest iteration of the iPhone when it's released, longevity of the connector can't really be much of a concern (in any case a well-made USB socket can last quite a while). But business.
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Posted: 28th Sep 2014 20:50 Edited at: 28th Sep 2014 20:52
I bet 10 bits that your morning starts not from coffee.



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"video's"

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NOT POSSESSIVE

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Posted: 29th Sep 2014 13:18
Clonkex, I do not hate you.
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Posted: 30th Sep 2014 00:38
I'm gone for an entire day and only the Pony thread has a new post? Really folks? Pffffffffft.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2014 00:46
ikr[b][/b]

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That's how I felt too.... Went back to uni today though!
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Posted: 30th Sep 2014 01:35
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Posted: 30th Sep 2014 07:18 Edited at: 30th Sep 2014 07:25
Quote: "Clonkex, I do not hate you."


Nah it's all good man I was just not feeling too well that day and then in combination with the flood of responses... it just felt like the world was against me. I went to bed early and now I'm a happy bunny again

Quote: "I'm gone for an entire day and only the Pony thread has a new post? Really folks? Pffffffffft."


ikr

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Ok, so I'd like to get your opinions on this idea.

In our household, we have many large external USB drives. In total we have about four 2TB drives and five 1TB drives (plus I think an older 750GB drive). Lots. They're all used for different things by different people (I use a 1TB for storing just about everything I've ever downloaded and the 2TB for my computer backup - Dad uses most of the other drives for storage of videos, music and movie backups).

Now, none of this ~13TB of data is backed up. We started out with only a couple of 1TB external drives, and when we did I thought nothing of it. Only a tiny amount of data was being stored and they were brand new drives. However, like a frog in slowly heated water, I hadn't noticed how many drives and how much data we had accumulated over the years. About a week ago, I suddenly realised just how much unbacked up data we had, and it scared me.

So I started considering options for backing it up. Our internet is far too expensive and limited to consider cloud back-ups (esp. since we've got ~13TB), so that's immediately out of the question. After a while of thinking, it occurred to me that some of the drives were only partially full (my computer backup drive in particular) and most of the drives are totally full (Dad's main storage drives for eg.), yet the empty space on my drives is going unused. I started wondering about NAS.

A bit more thinking and I started wondering if we could actually combine every single drive into one massive ~13TB monster, where everyone in our family could have as much space as they needed, and no excess space is wasted unnecessarily. So a week later (today, in other words), I finally had the time to research this. I've just spend the morning googling and filling up both my paltry 8GB of RAM and my 12GB page file with Chrome tabs (whoops ).

This is what we (my brother and I) plan to do:

- Buy a cheap case with 10+ drive bays (Fractal Design Node 804 Mini - $169)
- Buy a cheap PSU (Corsair VS450 ATX - $55)
- Buy a cheap motherboard with 8+ SATA ports (ASRock FM2A88M Extreme4+ - $89)
- Buy a cheap CPU (AMD A4 5300 - $49)
- Buy a cheap 2GB stick of RAM (Corsair VS2GB1333D3 2GB - $29)
- Buy a cheap PCI-E to SATA expansion card (Astrotek AT-CPES6AX - $19)
- Buy excessive numbers of SATA data cables (8 x Astrotek Blue 50CM - $28)
- Buy several molex to SATA-power splitters (3 x generic splitter $27)
- Sub total: $465
- Postage: $47
- Grand total: $512

We then intend strip all of the external HDDs out of their enclosures and mount them in the newly-built NAS PC. Then, we'll install some form of Linux on it (since it's generally more lightweight than Windows - probably FreeBSD or the like) and run SnapRAID for redundancy.

We plan to have 8TB of data used for general storage and the main NAS functionality, 4TB for whole-computer backups and 1TB for the parity data of SnapRAID.

Now, we think this will work, but we're venturing into a lot of new territory and we're still unsure of a few things. The biggest being combining the drives in Linux.

In Windows, if you want to combine two drives to create a spanned volume, you have the delete the data off one of them and turn them both into dynamic disks, then extend one disk onto the other. Very unpleasant, and something we can't do because we can't delete the data off any disk.

We're not sure if it's possible to merge two physical drives into one logical drive in Linux (possibly using LVM) without deleting any data. Can someone (*cough-cough*TheComet*cough*) give us any advice?

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Posted: 30th Sep 2014 08:29 Edited at: 30th Sep 2014 08:31
Quote: "- Buy a cheap 2GB stick of RAM (Corsair VS2GB1333D3 2GB - $29)"


Pretty sure around that price mark you can get 4GB RAM...

I take your 29$ and raise you $23.62~ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingston-KVR13LR9S4-4HE-Memory-DDR3-DIM/dp/B00BYO7BYY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1412053241&sr=8-3&keywords=DDR3+RAM although you probably missed the chance lol...

Quote: "Usually dispatched within 1 to 2 months.

Dispatched from and sold by Amazon. "


But do look for 4GB seriously, it will make all the difference...

I think the power usage of that AMD CPU will cost you more than the whole thing in a single year...

Find a solution with maybe core i3 or Intel Pentium/Celeron

Your choice above = 65W TDP... http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-333-AM

A cheap Celeron = 55W TDP... http://ark.intel.com/products/71073/Intel-Celeron-Processor-G1620-2M-Cache-2_70-GHz and is relatively in the same price mark range... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Celeron-2-7GHz-Threads-LGA1150/dp/B00HLXXEFM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412052706&sr=8-1&keywords=intel+celeron

Your 5300 there is just dual core as well... what on earth does it need that much power for? [Unless it includes that GPU duh] whereas the Celeron has HT giving you four threads for the two cores... with a saving of 10W TDP...

I am pretty sure the Celeron will idle at a much lower %/W rate than the AMD... but I could be wrong...

Off the ARK website for Intel this is interesting ^^

Quote: "
Recommended Customer Price
BOX : $42.00
TRAY: $42.00

"


Yes I am an Intel Fan boy and proud to be

[Started with an Intel Celeron 433 moved to a Pentium 3 350 and sadly onto AMD for a brief period and then finally and forever back onto Intel ever since, never using AMD ever again]

I say so because you said this was a backup system, so the fancy 128 stream GPU is not something you need unless you plan to use it as a render unit... to which I say, go for it! but get 8GB RAM at least if you do plan to do this...

Overall I would say, if this is to be your BACKUP/LIVE ARCHIVE system, I suggest you get a very good case, good board, and especially a decent PSU, otherwise say bye bye to your data ^^

Regarding the Cannot delete anything... [Mind you if any of your caddies are branded like WD, be careful not to break the caddies when extracting, you WILL regret it...] before extracting a HDD from a case, backup the files to another drive, then extract the drive and test that it mounts without losing the data... [Buy another 2TB drive for this purpose if needed, they are cheap these days...] Some people think this is absurd and never is an issue, to whom I say, DO YOU LIKE CHOCOLATE MILK WITH YOUR COFFEE? Any way.... Only once you have tested the data is accessible, then continue with another drive, free up that archived data space from the precautionary backup and then repeat with all drives...

DO NOT place any drives in hardware RAID as you need to build them for RAID... which deletes all data... I suggest you use single drives with shared folders instead... not that I know how this works between Windows and Linux, on Windows 7/8 it is a simple thing...

Of course I digress and obviously someone else with other experience might have something else to say on the matter... I have not used RAID for a couple of years and maybe newer boards come with slick functionality that I have not used or heard of yet... but for Linux RAID I cannot comment...

GL!

Also Clonkex, I am so envious of you and your brothers relationship, I hope you know you are darn lucky!

OH AND you are in AUS, GET A GOOD PSU FAN! A BIG MEATY BEAST OF A FAN!

Perhaps something like this...



Wait I think I got the wrong priority in that one...

Here you go...



But those type add quite a bit of extra power usage I believe...



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Posted: 30th Sep 2014 10:54
Quote: "Pretty sure around that price mark you can get 4GB RAM..."

Quote: "I take your 29$ and raise you $23.62"


Ha! Have you ever shopped for anything in Australia? Trust me, $29 is darn cheap for RAM.

Quote: "But do look for 4GB seriously, it will make all the difference..."


Possibly, and I do fully understand the importance of RAM, but we really don't have the budget for 4GB (esp. since the cheapest 4GB we can get costs $45 and is Kingston ValueRAM, which is generally crap AFAIK). We're leaving room for expansion, though, so we can always add more later.

Quote: "I think the power usage of that AMD CPU will cost you more than the whole thing in a single year...

Find a solution with maybe core i3 or Intel Pentium/Celeron"


Yup, we're considering that as well. Bear in mind the currently proposed specs are in flux and subject to change. They're just the most basic, cheap parts we could find.

Unfortunately, Intel is quite a bit more expensive, but we're definitely looking into that as well.

Quote: "Your 5300 there is just dual core as well... what on earth does it need that much power for? [Unless it includes that GPU duh] whereas the Celeron has HT giving you four threads for the two cores... with a saving of 10W TDP..."


Because it's AMD and they have no sophistication whatsoever. Intel and NVidia, on the other hand, produce more powerful processors and GPUs that consume less electricity.

Quote: "Yes I am an Intel Fan boy and proud to be

[Started with an Intel Celeron 433 moved to a Pentium 3 350 and sadly onto AMD for a brief period and then finally and forever back onto Intel ever since, never using AMD ever again]"


I LOVE YOU!

lol, my brother and I have a similar history to you. Intel users for years, bought AMD laptops, never buying AMD again.

Quote: "I say so because you said this was a backup system, so the fancy 128 stream GPU is not something you need unless you plan to use it as a render unit"


Well, it's a storage system mainly, but yeah backups as well. I didn't even know it had such a comparatively fancy GPU; we only selected it for its cheapness. And no, I don't plan on having a dedicated render box

Quote: "if this is to be your BACKUP/LIVE ARCHIVE system, I suggest you get a very good case"


Very good case? What for?

Quote: "good board, and especially a decent PSU, otherwise say bye bye to your data"


We're only looking at boards we know are going to be decent, and

Quote: "Regarding the Cannot delete anything... [Mind you if any of your caddies are branded like WD, be careful not to break the caddies when extracting, you WILL regret it...] before extracting a HDD from a case, backup the files to another drive, then extract the drive and test that it mounts without losing the data..."


Every single one of our external drives are WD, except for the two latest additions which are Seagate. Don't worry, I'm always extremely careful when removing drives from their enclosures.

Quote: "[Buy another 2TB drive for this purpose if needed, they are cheap these days...]"


Cheaper. We don't have $102 to spend on another drive. However, I was exaggerating a bit when I said we didn't have another drive to copy data to, as Dad still hasn't unpacked his second 2TB Seagate drive from its box yet, so we actually have a spare 2TB drive anyway.

Quote: "DO NOT place any drives in hardware RAID as you need to build them for RAID... which deletes all data..."


Haha I'm well aware of this fact. No, we plan to use purely software RAID. Hardware RAID is pointless, inflexible and difficult to work with.

Quote: "Also Clonkex, I am so envious of you and your brothers relationship, I hope you know you are darn lucky!"


Haha we know it

Quote: "OH AND you are in AUS, GET A GOOD PSU FAN! A BIG MEATY BEAST OF A FAN!"


lol we don't live in that hot an area We're up on the Northern Tablelands, which is a comparatively cool area of Australia. We won't be sticking a 3rd-party PSU fan on it, but the case we're getting has very good air flow and it'll be kept in a cool room

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I just spent the afternoon researching how the software side of things will work, and I believe I've finally worked it out.

We'll be using SnapRAID for the RAID solution, and I recently discovered mhddfs, a Linux util, that can pool multiple mounted drives as one, yet allow the pooled drives to still be accessed as separate drives (necessary for SnapRAID to function). Guaranteed compatibility with SnapRAID, but still not 100% sure if it'll do exactly what we want, so more research is required.

Greyhole is another pooling thingy that may work, but again this all still requires research.

ARGH, why are Intel CPUs/mobos so expensive?!

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Posted: 30th Sep 2014 14:44
Quote: " so more research is required."


Here is a good trick to test it, use a VM, install Linux, but stagger the VHD partitions, so make 5 partitions in the VHD and install Linux on one of them [Naturally the first one] and then try out the four partitions as raid tests make sure to preload them with dud data first... [So to test to ensure your data does not say Hello/Good Bye]

Quote: "ARGH, why are Intel CPUs/mobos so expensive?!"


Comparing AMD to Intel is like comparing a BMW to a Lamborghini

But I like to think of Intel's core i5 as a Nissan GTR as the core i5's are relatively cheaper than i7's [Lamborghini, excluding the Aventador] and I have found the speed bump of an i7 to be relatively in the 30~% over i5's range so never seen the need for it... but surely will go for it with a large budget render unit system but then I think XEON would be a better bet... always torn between this choice decision but then i7's have the MEDIA enhancements... then again as you know already I am about Performance Per Watt and only the i5 affords that balance... [In my opinion of course]

[Anything above a Lamborghini is the enthusiast stuff [Intel Socket 2011] so ignoring those as they are not feasible for green businesses, you know
Bugatti Veyron SS, Hennessey Venom GT, Koenigsegg Agera R, SSC Ultimate Aero, Koenigsegg CCX, McLaren F1, Zenvo ST1, Gumpert Apollo, Aston Martin One 77, Lamborghini Aventador... etc]



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Posted: 30th Sep 2014 16:44 Edited at: 30th Sep 2014 16:45
Quote: "Here is a good trick to test it, use a VM, install Linux, but stagger the VHD partitions, so make 5 partitions in the VHD and install Linux on one of them [Naturally the first one] and then try out the four partitions as raid tests make sure to preload them with dud data first... [So to test to ensure your data does not say Hello/Good Bye]"


Already thought of that. In fact I'm in the process of setting exactly that up right this instant (Internet, why you go so SLOOOOW??)

Quote: "Bugatti Veyron SS, Hennessey Venom GT, Koenigsegg Agera R, SSC Ultimate Aero, Koenigsegg CCX, McLaren F1, Zenvo ST1, Gumpert Apollo, Aston Martin One 77, Lamborghini Aventador... etc]"


You forgot the Ariel Atom

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Quote: "You forgot the Ariel Atom"


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I will never understand the hate towards AMD.

My CPU and GPU are both from AMD and they work just fine. Sure they draw a little extra power, but other than that they seem to work without issues.

AMD also announced they're coming out with much more energy efficient CPUs/GPUs, so don't rule them out entirely!


Meh game development blaugh!
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Posted: 30th Sep 2014 19:58
For anyone who needs a thread pool in C++.



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Posted: 30th Sep 2014 20:29 Edited at: 30th Sep 2014 20:30
Quote: "AMD also announced they're coming out with much more energy efficient CPUs/GPUs, so don't rule them out entirely!"


Shall continue to do so

Quote: "I will never understand the hate towards AMD."


No offense, but you might be too young to understand

Quote: " Sure they draw a little extra power"


Precisely why I shall never consider them, period. The cost savings you save at point of purchase, you spend in the same year electric bills, and then the following year you are operating at a further loss without any cost savings... [Sorry too business minded ]

Intel, Pay high rate up front, save year on year for the life of the CPU, the higher cost equates to the first loss made by the AMD CPUs but the following year you save that loss that the AMD CPU would otherwise have regardless...

And with the Intel CPU you have better performance without the Costs associated with it...

Of course, if you measure [Not you just people in general] performance in FPS and not Wattage, then sure, you get more bang for your buck with AMD, but then you go back full circle to the year on year loss in comparison, you still play the same game [in this example] at the same visual quality, over 60 FPS, but you save money with the Intel CPU whereas AMD more than likely forces you to buy a $100 Cooler just to keep it under 80*C [Where the AMD CPU would just melt down] [<-- Yes it used to be that bad and still is according to a not too distant argument by another regarding operating temps lol apparently higher tolerance was considered bad design lol was it fluffy?]

Just look up Chipset tolerances for AMD and Intel over the past five years and you will understand from that single point perspective why Intel is preferred... by most of us... [Who have the budget for them]

Frankly I do not think anybody who has 15~+ years history building computer systems would buy AMD by choice...

Regarding Wattage, consider this, most studios have 1-10 computers in them...

If say your top upper band of electricity was £0.55p per Kilowatt...

You had all those systems online for say 8 hours a day, 330 days a year... [not including mouse/kb/other components, monitor etc.]

If they were Intel based and consumed say 65W TDP, let us assume these are Intel NUC systems which would be the best choice these days... [even for game devs!]

Kilowatt Per Day: 5,200 Cost: £2.86
Kilowatt Per Week: 36,400 Cost: £20.02
Kilowatt Per Year: 1,716,000 Cost: £943.80
Cost Per Year: £943.80 - 60% = £377.52

If a comparative AMD with its standard over wattage lifestyle at 85W in a similar build as an NUC just for this example...

Kilowatt Per Day: 6,800 Cost: £3.74
Kilowatt Per Week: 47,600 Cost: £26.25
Kilowatt Per Year: 2,244,000 Cost: £1,237.50
Cost Per Year: £1,237.50 - lenient 40% = £742.50 [and at 60% £495]

Difference = £117.48 at base level or £293.70 at maximum...

Of course assuming they were being used to full capacity all day long, which is unlikely so you remove around 60% for Intel not sure about AMD

Sure when you divide these down to /10 94.38~ vs. 123.75, that 23.97 could be a lot of cheap beer for the team all year long!

The only Benefit AMD would have over Intel would be, you would save on Heating bills in the Winter

Now scale that up from 10 as above to 100 or 1,000 systems across a studio!

Now remember though I chose NUC above for a reason, I see no need for a big meaty 250W GPU any longer [Gosh go do the math on that hahahaha], unless you were creating the next BF or CoD style game... [Or required the maximum potential from your engine such as say UE4]

But yeah, I am a green focussed business, but of course there are other ways to operate

I have a pricey Surface Pro 2 right now, which is Max 48~W, but I will be using NUCs for all future staffing systems as well as Surface Pro 3+ for my personal systems... [Someone reminded me of the Gigabyte Brix systems, but I prefer the NUC's, they are basically the same tech, just Gigabyte using their own board reference/schematics I guess] Boss must remain mobile I love the charger block for the Pro Surfaces, that USB plug is SOOOOO USEFUL!

If I got my maths on the pricing up above wrong, please do let me know the correct formula, would appreciate it very much!

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Fixed Rogue Quote Bold Block

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Mr. V that is retarded

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Any power savings you may have on the CPU(which are quite negligible at anything less than a full load according to various efficiency studies done by Tom's Hardware / Bit-Tech) would be obliterated by the GPU(s).

Quote: "No offense, but you might be too young to understand"

That's funny because AMD ate Intel's lunch a while back(late 90's early 2000's IIRC) on performance and power efficiency.

Quote: " Of course, if you measure [Not you just people in general] performance in FPS and not Wattage, then sure, you get more bang for your buck with AMD, but then you go back full circle to the year on year loss in comparison, you still play the same game [in this example] at the same visual quality, over 60 FPS, but you save money with the Intel CPU whereas AMD more than likely forces you to buy a $100 Cooler just to keep it under 80*C [Where the AMD CPU would just melt down] [<-- Yes it used to be that bad and still is according to a not too distant argument by another regarding operating temps lol apparently higher tolerance was considered bad design lol was it fluffy?]"

This is such a load of rubbish I'm not even sure where to start. I'm running a AMD FX-8350 stock on stock cooler and I haven't even considered going to an aftermarket cooler because my temps rarely go above 60 Celsius at full 100% on all cores.

Quote: "But yeah, I am a green focussed business, but of course there are other ways to operate "

Well that's quite condescending. In fact, you've been very condescending in this entire post. I can't say that I appreciate it.

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Quote: "This is such a load of rubbish I'm not even sure where to start. I'm running a AMD FX-8350 stock on stock cooler and I haven't even considered going to an aftermarket cooler because my temps rarely go above 60 Celsius at full 100% on all cores."

I'm running a 6300 (I think, I can't even remember any more. It's the first line of FX, 6-core) overclocked to 4.1ghz and never seen any overheating. My SLI GTX560s on the other hand...


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Posted: 30th Sep 2014 22:22 Edited at: 30th Sep 2014 22:32
I forgot to mention not including high end products

EDIT

Or recent years

EDIT

Can someone point out the hierarchy for AMD CPU's? so I can do a comparison, can say a high end 8 core FX chip did beat an 8 core 2011 socket Intel in terms of Wattage and price but did not do a feature comparison... but think they might not be on par...

I have not delved into desktop hardware for a couple of years, this might be a fun way to look back into it, but will still stick with Intel regardless, the stigma is just too horrific... bought a new netbook a couple of years back, went for the AMD APU based one because it was clear it was 64 bit capable and it was dud out of the box... talk about giving AMD another chance... never again...

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Quote: "Regarding Wattage, consider this, most studios have 1-10 computers in them...

If say your top upper band of electricity was £0.55p per Kilowatt...

You had all those systems online for say 8 hours a day, 330 days a year... [not including mouse/kb/other components, monitor etc.]

If they were Intel based and consumed say 65W TDP, let us assume these are Intel NUC systems which would be the best choice these days... [even for game devs!]

Kilowatt Per Day: 5,200 Cost: £2.86
Kilowatt Per Week: 36,400 Cost: £20.02
Kilowatt Per Year: 1,716,000 Cost: £943.80
Cost Per Year: £943.80 - 60% = £377.52"


That is so confusing...

Electricity is at most £0.10 / KWh (about half of domestic rates)
65W TDP (which is ~50W ACP) for 10 machines @ 8 hours is 4 KWh - £0.40
A working year is about 240 days (5 days/week less holidays).
Total - £96

I understand your comparison of AMD/Intel will be the same percentage-wise, but on much lower figures.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2014 22:35 Edited at: 30th Sep 2014 22:37
Quote: "Electricity is at most £0.10 / KWh (about half of domestic rates)"


Where do you live

Quote: "65W TDP (which is ~50W ACP) for 10 machines @ 8 hours is 4 KWh - £0.40"


~50W ACP, will have to look into this... thanks for the formula! will try looking into it if I can figure it out...

As always being corrected is the whole point of being here [Just not when trying to sway me to buy AMD based stuff , don't get me wrong, I love the colour RED, but wish it was not used by AMD ]

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Quote: "That is so confusing..."


Probably because I kept it in Watt Hour rates

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Quote: "Where do you live"


On the right side of the Pennines

Quote: "What are Typical kWh Prices for SME Business Electricity?
For a small business using between 15,000 and 25,000 kWh of electricity per year here are typical quotes you might receive.
8.68p/kWh unit price with a standing charge of 23.7p/day (£86.51 annually).
9.07p/kWh and 24.23p/day (£88.44).
9.33p/kWh and 21.21p/day (£77.42).
9.03p/kWh and 23.61p/day (£86.18).
9.89p/kWh and 22.46p/day (£81.98).
9.58p/kWh and 21.28p/day (£78.77)."


Figures from here.

Quote: "As always being corrected is the whole point of being here"


Not correcting as such, just using current data.
As is usually the case, the US are almost half our rates, this is a nice little graphic...



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BatVink, wish I could live out in the country... assuming that is what you meant, if it was and it is so, ENVY!

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So that girl I talked about a few weeks ago?

Things are goin' pretty well so far, we've been on three dates so far, so that's probably a good sign.


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So I set up Lubuntu (instead of FreeBSD, simply for compatibility reasons) on VirtualBox and played around with it getting the VB Guest Additions installed and all that stuff, then added three small extra HDDs in VB and attempted to set up mhddfs.

I FINALLY got that set up through much experimentation and was pleased to see it seemed to work exactly how we had hoped.

I was really frustrated by how there seemed to be no "root folder" in Linux, until I discovered that a) you can just type / to go to root and b) you can set the file explorer to show a proper directory tree rather than what it calls "Places". Much better.

The first thing I noticed was how similar Linux's and Android's filesystem layouts are.

I've decided that I really like Linux's system of Packages that can be downloaded, installed and managed through something like aptitude or synaptic. I needed GCC, so I started up synaptic and searched GCC. I needed the make utils, so I started up synaptic and searched make. Very easy.

Here's what my screen looked like after I finished setting up mhddfs:



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Have got around to installing it yet though Probably a good thing


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Ah I remember now, I think I used FreeBSD about 7 years ago!!! Isn't it a NAS framework? If it is the same thing I remember using, it was VERY GOOD!

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Quote: "I used FreeBSD about 7 years ago!!! Isn't it a NAS framework?"


FreeBSD is just a BSD derivative. You're probably thinking of FreeNAS, which is a NAS OS and is based on FreeBSD.

Either way, I've decided to go for Lubuntu for compatibility and ease-of-use.

I'm 99.9% sure I'll never use Linux for my desktop OS (for everyday use, Windows 7 is so much better), but for servers it's brilliant. It's also really fun to play with.

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FreeNAS

YES! THIS!

Thanks for jolting my memory!

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http://www.cio.com/article/2378859/open-source-tools/7-reasons-not-to-use-open-source-software.html

#1 should be the fact that it's easy to find and exploit flaws because the source is plainly visible in a very understandable format.

Quote: "So that girl I talked about a few weeks ago?

Things are goin' pretty well so far, we've been on three dates so far, so that's probably a good sign."


Congrats!
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Quote: "Thanks for jolting my memory!"


Haha no problem

Quote: "http://www.cio.com/article/2378859/open-source-tools/7-reasons-not-to-use-open-source-software.html"


Somewhat interesting article, but none of the points made a relevant to my case.

Quote: "#1 should be the fact that it's easy to find and exploit flaws because the source is plainly visible in a very understandable format."


Actually I think you'll find open-source software is frequently MORE secure than proprietary closed-sourced software because you have a community that cares about the software and will find and fix security vulnerabilities faster than a dedicated security company could.

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Quote: "#1 should be the fact that it's easy to find and exploit flaws because the source is plainly visible in a very understandable format."


Wow, I thought you were trolling earlier but it appears you literally don't understand how security works. Seeing the source code doesn't have anything to do with its security. That would be a major security flaw. If that were the case, you can just disassemble a non-open source program and you'd be able to see what it does.

Security lies in the algorithms used, not in being able to read how an algorithm works. Example: You can easily figure out how SSH encrypts/decrypts data but there's no way you will ever be able to decrypt the data if you haven't provided your own public key to the sender.

http://www.cio.com/article/2378859/open-source-tools/7-reasons-not-to-use-open-source-software.html
So basically:
"Reasons people can't use open source software"
1) Users are too stuck up/inflexible and refuse to learn something new.
2) MS Office is a great tool, agreed. It is also a primary example of monopolies having pushed through and established closed standards, thereby stifling innovation and making entire market segments dependent on their mercy.
3) Just because linux is free doesn't mean a lot of propriety software doesn't run on it. It does. Recent example: nVidia drivers.
4) Invalid argument, see 3)
5) Same as 3)
6) Not an argument?
7) The problem is evident in both open source and closed source projects, not an argument.

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I was, and am, trolling both times (and that article sucks). However:

"Actually I think you'll find open-source software is frequently MORE secure than proprietary closed-sourced software because you have a community that cares about the software and will find and fix security vulnerabilities faster than a dedicated security company could."

Why would someone bother trying to find and fix the problem for free when they could spend their time programming commercial software for money?
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Quote: "I'm 99.9% sure I'll never use Linux for my desktop OS (for everyday use, Windows 7 is so much better)"

Meh. I wish I could boot into Linux on a day-to-day basis, would make my life quite a bit easier. Only problem is that Office doesn't quite work in WINE(and I paid for it, might as well use it as long as I can) and too many games don't have Linux ports. Other than that, Linux has been much better to me, particularly the RPM-based distros.

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Ooh, I quite like Timelines in Unreal. Easiest way to change values over a set time!

I think I might ditch Unity now


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This switch is so loud.[b][/b]

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